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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by saint on Nov 20, 2013 15:29:12 GMT 1, Its from 2012 so not really new.... Just unnoticed, or perhaps only noticed by those who pay to be notified when there is something worth noticing? Who knows? not me, i know that much.
Its from 2012 so not really new.... Just unnoticed, or perhaps only noticed by those who pay to be notified when there is something worth noticing? Who knows? not me, i know that much.
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Happy Shopper on Nov 20, 2013 15:42:16 GMT 1, It's been talked about a few times on here, and quite recently too.
I don't think one has been for sale before though... first I've seen of one actually existing!!
If there's APs was there also a full edition?
Makes me wonder what Banksy was up to in 2012, with the Gorilla prints and these never making a full release to the public... odd!
It's been talked about a few times on here, and quite recently too.
I don't think one has been for sale before though... first I've seen of one actually existing!!
If there's APs was there also a full edition?
Makes me wonder what Banksy was up to in 2012, with the Gorilla prints and these never making a full release to the public... odd!
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Ruggs on Nov 20, 2013 17:02:22 GMT 1, It's been talked about a few times on here, and quite recently too. I don't think one has been for sale before though... first I've seen of one actually existing!! If there's APs was there also a full edition? Makes me wonder what Banksy was up to in 2012, with the Gorilla prints and these never making a full release to the public... odd!
It's been talked about a few times on here, and quite recently too. I don't think one has been for sale before though... first I've seen of one actually existing!! If there's APs was there also a full edition? Makes me wonder what Banksy was up to in 2012, with the Gorilla prints and these never making a full release to the public... odd! 2012! He was probably working hard on planning and producing last months New York gig. |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Happy Shopper on Nov 20, 2013 17:05:20 GMT 1, It's been talked about a few times on here, and quite recently too. I don't think one has been for sale before though... first I've seen of one actually existing!! If there's APs was there also a full edition? Makes me wonder what Banksy was up to in 2012, with the Gorilla prints and these never making a full release to the public... odd! 2012! He was probably working hard on planning and producing last months New York gig.
Ha ha... yeah, I guess that's probably true.
Odd that he seems to have done odd things with both proposed releases.
It's been talked about a few times on here, and quite recently too. I don't think one has been for sale before though... first I've seen of one actually existing!! If there's APs was there also a full edition? Makes me wonder what Banksy was up to in 2012, with the Gorilla prints and these never making a full release to the public... odd! 2012! He was probably working hard on planning and producing last months New York gig. Ha ha... yeah, I guess that's probably true. Odd that he seems to have done odd things with both proposed releases. |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by lee3 on Nov 20, 2013 17:28:45 GMT 1, >>>If there's APs was there also a full edition?<<<
No, just the 16 were made available. That's a very aggressive estimate range and I would be stunned to see the reserve remain at 50. If the consignor keeps the reserve at 50 (which is a ~62.5k final price including premium), I'd speculate a buy-in but I've been wrong more times than I can count.
I'm just trying to poke around that site and can't seem to find the premium page. I presume they are in the 25% range but can anyone point me to the details?
That barcode is the one that has always caught my eye or so I thought until I looked at photos a little closer from the Cargo show last evening. The grey barcode below from Cargo is different from this grey barcode that is on offer at dreweatts/Bloomsbury. That grey (as opposed to white on offer) leopard and barcode cage consumes more of the canvas. It also makes sense because the cargo show would be '00 and the one on offer is dated '02. It also appears that the barcode from Cargo is tagged in the bottom left which is atypical too.
So that makes a pair on grey, one at Glasgow and 5 at existencilism for a minimum of at least 8 out there. It also discredits the last line of the description ("the only known version with a grey background so far seen by the market.") not that it matters at all as that should do quite well with that estimate range imo.:
www.dnfa.com/cms/pages/lot/36105/141
>>>If there's APs was there also a full edition?<<< No, just the 16 were made available. That's a very aggressive estimate range and I would be stunned to see the reserve remain at 50. If the consignor keeps the reserve at 50 (which is a ~62.5k final price including premium), I'd speculate a buy-in but I've been wrong more times than I can count. I'm just trying to poke around that site and can't seem to find the premium page. I presume they are in the 25% range but can anyone point me to the details? That barcode is the one that has always caught my eye or so I thought until I looked at photos a little closer from the Cargo show last evening. The grey barcode below from Cargo is different from this grey barcode that is on offer at dreweatts/Bloomsbury. That grey (as opposed to white on offer) leopard and barcode cage consumes more of the canvas. It also makes sense because the cargo show would be '00 and the one on offer is dated '02. It also appears that the barcode from Cargo is tagged in the bottom left which is atypical too. So that makes a pair on grey, one at Glasgow and 5 at existencilism for a minimum of at least 8 out there. It also discredits the last line of the description ("the only known version with a grey background so far seen by the market.") not that it matters at all as that should do quite well with that estimate range imo.: www.dnfa.com/cms/pages/lot/36105/141 |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Hubble Bubble on Nov 20, 2013 17:37:50 GMT 1, ^^ Wise words fellaβ¦ especially regarding the 'buy in'
^^ Wise words fella⦠especially regarding the 'buy in'
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by adewilliams on Nov 21, 2013 11:51:52 GMT 1, 50-70K is nuts, in the same auction you could pick up a portfolio of warhols, hand coloured or a sack full of Lichtensteins
50-70K is nuts, in the same auction you could pick up a portfolio of warhols, hand coloured or a sack full of Lichtensteins
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Pattycakes on Nov 21, 2013 20:19:04 GMT 1, I am not sure sure, if I were spending 50k+ on a Banksy and was faced with a Kate or this, I'd go for this any day. At 16 it's rarer that the edition of 25 canvases and larger too!
I am not sure sure, if I were spending 50k+ on a Banksy and was faced with a Kate or this, I'd go for this any day. At 16 it's rarer that the edition of 25 canvases and larger too!
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by mouser on Nov 21, 2013 20:35:46 GMT 1, I am not sure sure, if I were spending 50k+ on a Banksy and was faced with a Kate or this, I'd go for this any day. At 16 it's rarer that the edition of 25 canvases and larger too!
I am not sure sure, if I were spending 50k+ on a Banksy and was faced with a Kate or this, I'd go for this any day. At 16 it's rarer that the edition of 25 canvases and larger too! If i was spending 50k+ on a banksy, i'd be looking to buy a nice editioned original canvas rather than a print. Soup can colour ways are editions of 10, rarer isnt always better. |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by lee3 on Nov 21, 2013 20:55:46 GMT 1, I am not sure sure, if I were spending 50k+ on a Banksy and was faced with a Kate or this, I'd go for this any day. At 16 it's rarer that the edition of 25 canvases and larger too!
It's all relative and the nice things is we'll know soon enough when the market casts its verdict. Personally, considering what this cost a year ago, the low estimate is a giant leap of faith in my eyes. Especially when the most recent hammer for the artist was an ~85k laugh now canvas edition 5 that was over 10 years old at a primary house. But, that in and of itself is the auction game; promise consignors the moon to win the lot which draws all that web traffic which in turn helps the house find everything else in that sale a bid. And if no absentees are north of 50, then tell the consignor that the interest is not what the house had expected in the hopes the consignor lowers the reserve.
60k+/$100k on the low end of the estimate range (including premium) is an astronomical sum by any definition for a print yet this market continues to amaze me. Usually, it's the other way around in that they try to establish a teaser estimate to draw in buyers but I'm guessing (given the estimate range) that the consignor controlled the arm wrestling. That house (dreweatts/Bloomsbury) really has nothing to lose whereas the primary houses would have a different opinion almost certainly. Please note this post if full of speculation and conjecture and I wish the seller well but calling it as I see it. Ultimately, it's a bit of a treasure and the wealth divide is growing the world over so theoretically demand is increasing by the day. We can all imagine the silliness that will ensue should that piece hammer high and I will be the first to admit my foolishness.
I am not sure sure, if I were spending 50k+ on a Banksy and was faced with a Kate or this, I'd go for this any day. At 16 it's rarer that the edition of 25 canvases and larger too! It's all relative and the nice things is we'll know soon enough when the market casts its verdict. Personally, considering what this cost a year ago, the low estimate is a giant leap of faith in my eyes. Especially when the most recent hammer for the artist was an ~85k laugh now canvas edition 5 that was over 10 years old at a primary house. But, that in and of itself is the auction game; promise consignors the moon to win the lot which draws all that web traffic which in turn helps the house find everything else in that sale a bid. And if no absentees are north of 50, then tell the consignor that the interest is not what the house had expected in the hopes the consignor lowers the reserve. 60k+/$100k on the low end of the estimate range (including premium) is an astronomical sum by any definition for a print yet this market continues to amaze me. Usually, it's the other way around in that they try to establish a teaser estimate to draw in buyers but I'm guessing (given the estimate range) that the consignor controlled the arm wrestling. That house (dreweatts/Bloomsbury) really has nothing to lose whereas the primary houses would have a different opinion almost certainly. Please note this post if full of speculation and conjecture and I wish the seller well but calling it as I see it. Ultimately, it's a bit of a treasure and the wealth divide is growing the world over so theoretically demand is increasing by the day. We can all imagine the silliness that will ensue should that piece hammer high and I will be the first to admit my foolishness. |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by curiousgeorge on Nov 22, 2013 0:40:41 GMT 1, 50k to spend? Reckon I would be looking at buying sketches(no idea on pricing) but that's what my heart says
50k to spend? Reckon I would be looking at buying sketches(no idea on pricing) but that's what my heart says
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Black Apple Art on Nov 22, 2013 0:54:15 GMT 1, Being that I only buy personally what I'd hang... I have to admit I wouldn't put that on my wall. That's as PC as I can be.
Being that I only buy personally what I'd hang... I have to admit I wouldn't put that on my wall. That's as PC as I can be.
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by mac on Nov 22, 2013 2:11:13 GMT 1, I am not sure sure, if I were spending 50k+ on a Banksy and was faced with a Kate or this, I'd go for this any day. At 16 it's rarer that the edition of 25 canvases and larger too! If i was spending 50k+ on a banksy, i'd be looking to buy a nice editioned original canvas rather than a print. Soup can colour ways are editions of 10, rarer isnt always better.
I do know that if I had 50k+ knocking about to spend on art and ended up with a single, mid-sized screen print of a run of 16 that I didn't even rate then I would have to issue myself a swift kick to the bollocks (if that is even possible)
I am not sure sure, if I were spending 50k+ on a Banksy and was faced with a Kate or this, I'd go for this any day. At 16 it's rarer that the edition of 25 canvases and larger too! If i was spending 50k+ on a banksy, i'd be looking to buy a nice editioned original canvas rather than a print. Soup can colour ways are editions of 10, rarer isnt always better. Agree, also agree that I am not sure I would buy something that I wouldn't necessarily put up on the wall, certainly not for 50K! There are a hell of a lot of better Banksys out there in my opinion, but what do I know. I do know that if I had 50k+ knocking about to spend on art and ended up with a single, mid-sized screen print of a run of 16 that I didn't even rate then I would have to issue myself a swift kick to the bollocks (if that is even possible) |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by astrobboy on Nov 22, 2013 5:25:47 GMT 1, if I were spending 50k+ on a Banksy...
if I were spending 50k+ on a Banksy... ...I'd take a long hard look at myself |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 10:26:29 GMT 1, The AP's are in addition to the edition though
That price is retarded
The AP's are in addition to the edition though
That price is retarded
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by naughtyshorty on Nov 22, 2013 12:24:06 GMT 1, Was a main edition released tho joe? I don't think it ever was
Was a main edition released tho joe? I don't think it ever was
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 12:49:24 GMT 1, 50k to spend? Reckon I would be looking at buying sketches(no idea on pricing) but that's what my heart says
Ta.
arrestedmotion.com/2010/03/sketchbook-banksy/#more-54531
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Carrie on Nov 22, 2013 12:56:32 GMT 1, HAHA! The small p***s/Met Police sign...hahahah!
HAHA! The small p***s/Met Police sign...hahahah! |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 12:59:54 GMT 1, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
piombo.org/police/
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by adewilliams on Dec 6, 2013 15:49:57 GMT 1, another love hurts has popped up on paddle 8, starting bid considerably less but still nuts
paddle8.com/work/banksy/25046-love-hurts
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 16:05:21 GMT 1, Still thinking there must be a full edition too...
Still thinking there must be a full edition too...
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Pattycakes on Dec 6, 2013 16:17:12 GMT 1, The one on P8 and the Bloomsbury one are the same print, they are hosting the Bloomsbury sale (or at least highlights from it) on the P8 site.
The one on P8 and the Bloomsbury one are the same print, they are hosting the Bloomsbury sale (or at least highlights from it) on the P8 site.
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Happy Shopper on Dec 6, 2013 16:19:10 GMT 1, Still thinking there must be a full edition too...
Or was going to be, but canceled.
The real point of APs is to see if it's working for the artist... maybe these just didn't work and were rejected!?
Still thinking there must be a full edition too... Or was going to be, but canceled. The real point of APs is to see if it's working for the artist... maybe these just didn't work and were rejected!? |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 16:40:23 GMT 1, 16 very expensive 'failed' prints then  And did Banksy sell the Gorilla AP's too?
16 very expensive 'failed' prints then And did Banksy sell the Gorilla AP's too? |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Happy Shopper on Dec 6, 2013 16:52:28 GMT 1, It's kind of interesting that he deemed them good enough to sell to "VIPs" but obvioulsy didn't want them concidered one of his Editions, so labeled them APs.
Sort of weird, but makes me think he only sold them for a purpose, like bailing POW out or for a charity (did someone say these were sold for charity once? It would make sense.)
It's kind of interesting that he deemed them good enough to sell to "VIPs" but obvioulsy didn't want them concidered one of his Editions, so labeled them APs.
Sort of weird, but makes me think he only sold them for a purpose, like bailing POW out or for a charity (did someone say these were sold for charity once? It would make sense.)
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Deleted on Dec 7, 2013 0:19:18 GMT 1, The Gorilla print too??
The Gorilla print too??
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by streetlife on Dec 7, 2013 8:59:08 GMT 1, Was a main edition released tho joe? I don't think it ever was
Was a main edition released tho joe? I don't think it ever was As lee3 has already stated, there was no main edition, just 16 APs. And just for the record it was never a "VIP" print - it was just never offered widely to the open market. |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by JD on Dec 7, 2013 9:17:06 GMT 1, Was a main edition released tho joe? I don't think it ever was As lee3 has already stated, there was no main edition, just 16 APs. And just for the record it was never a "VIP" print - it was just never offered widely to the open market.
Was a main edition released tho joe? I don't think it ever was As lee3 has already stated, there was no main edition, just 16 APs. And just for the record it was never a "VIP" print - it was just never offered widely to the open market. Who were they offered to ? |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by streetlife on Dec 7, 2013 16:04:50 GMT 1, As lee3 has already stated, there was no main edition, just 16 APs. And just for the record it was never a "VIP" print - it was just never offered widely to the open market. Who were they offered to ?
As lee3 has already stated, there was no main edition, just 16 APs. And just for the record it was never a "VIP" print - it was just never offered widely to the open market. Who were they offered to ? People POW thought that they could trust not to sell on. Obviously someone decided to blatantly ignore that.... |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Sweetcorn on Dec 7, 2013 16:15:17 GMT 1, Who were they offered to ? People POW thought that they could trust not to sell on. Obviously someone decided to blatantly ignore that....
Same list as the gold & silver invader specials which quite a few have flipped.
Who were they offered to ? People POW thought that they could trust not to sell on. Obviously someone decided to blatantly ignore that.... Same list as the gold & silver invader specials which quite a few have flipped. |
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And did Banksy sell the Gorilla AP's too?
