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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by tab1 on Dec 23, 2020 19:44:28 GMT 1, All of this over posters that pow was selling for 10 pounds
A privileged community that ignores pandemic issues , what do you expect ?!
All of this over posters that pow was selling for 10 pounds A privileged community that ignores pandemic issues , what do you expect ?! |
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by tab1 on Dec 23, 2020 20:50:11 GMT 1, A privileged community that ignores pandemic issues , what do you expect ?! It's fascinating that in a world where paper trails exist and living artists and galleries can authenticate works, people go for the stuff that doesn't have any of that. It's like removing all the doors from your home and wondering who all the strange people are inside and why you keep getting robbed.
It makes sense in what you state , but the pest control authenticated market is out of reach of all the people buying these types of items .
Just needs honest people in charge of the market organisers
A privileged community that ignores pandemic issues , what do you expect ?! It's fascinating that in a world where paper trails exist and living artists and galleries can authenticate works, people go for the stuff that doesn't have any of that. It's like removing all the doors from your home and wondering who all the strange people are inside and why you keep getting robbed. It makes sense in what you state , but the pest control authenticated market is out of reach of all the people buying these types of items . Just needs honest people in charge of the market organisers |
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by terryfuckwitt on Dec 23, 2020 21:10:20 GMT 1, A privileged community that ignores pandemic issues , what do you expect ?! It's fascinating that in a world where paper trails exist and living artists and galleries can authenticate works, people go for the stuff that doesn't have any of that. It's like removing all the doors from your home and wondering who all the strange people are inside and why you keep getting robbed.
You might think I have special psychic powers but I have a small feeling you don't own any Banksy ephemera do you? 😉🤣
A privileged community that ignores pandemic issues , what do you expect ?! It's fascinating that in a world where paper trails exist and living artists and galleries can authenticate works, people go for the stuff that doesn't have any of that. It's like removing all the doors from your home and wondering who all the strange people are inside and why you keep getting robbed. You might think I have special psychic powers but I have a small feeling you don't own any Banksy ephemera do you? 😉🤣 |
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by tab1 on Dec 29, 2020 15:01:03 GMT 1, A privileged community that ignores pandemic issues , what do you expect ?! It's fascinating that in a world where paper trails exist and living artists and galleries can authenticate works, people go for the stuff that doesn't have any of that. It's like removing all the doors from your home and wondering who all the strange people are inside and why you keep getting robbed.
A privileged community that ignores pandemic issues , what do you expect ?! It's fascinating that in a world where paper trails exist and living artists and galleries can authenticate works, people go for the stuff that doesn't have any of that. It's like removing all the doors from your home and wondering who all the strange people are inside and why you keep getting robbed. |
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by artmonster on Dec 29, 2020 15:29:14 GMT 1, It's fascinating that in a world where paper trails exist and living artists and galleries can authenticate works, people go for the stuff that doesn't have any of that. It's like removing all the doors from your home and wondering who all the strange people are inside and why you keep getting robbed.
That bear is better behaved than most of my family members
It's fascinating that in a world where paper trails exist and living artists and galleries can authenticate works, people go for the stuff that doesn't have any of that. It's like removing all the doors from your home and wondering who all the strange people are inside and why you keep getting robbed. That bear is better behaved than most of my family members |
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by orenic on Dec 30, 2020 10:00:14 GMT 1, As a point of interest, I was going through the process of selling a B through one of the Bond Street Houses and as part of the sale process they get Pest Control in to check the work and provide a new COA and destroy the original one (which they insist upon). Not exactly authentication but as near as damn it. That would be a respectable auction house that isn’t deceitful, conscious about maintaining their reputation and not in this for a quick buck. Tate Ward are none of these.
Anyone hear anything back about the Warhol’s a from Tate ?
As a point of interest, I was going through the process of selling a B through one of the Bond Street Houses and as part of the sale process they get Pest Control in to check the work and provide a new COA and destroy the original one (which they insist upon). Not exactly authentication but as near as damn it. That would be a respectable auction house that isn’t deceitful, conscious about maintaining their reputation and not in this for a quick buck. Tate Ward are none of these. Anyone hear anything back about the Warhol’s a from Tate ? |
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by Rubberneck on Dec 30, 2020 12:01:38 GMT 1, It would be good to hear how the refunding of fake Petrol Bombs is going too, have all been contacted now?
It would be good to hear how the refunding of fake Petrol Bombs is going too, have all been contacted now?
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by blackwolf496 on Dec 30, 2020 17:57:13 GMT 1, It would be good to hear how the refunding of fake Petrol Bombs is going too, have all been contacted now?
They think by not saying anything this will go away, this will go on for months
Maybe police are involved now?
It would be good to hear how the refunding of fake Petrol Bombs is going too, have all been contacted now? They think by not saying anything this will go away, this will go on for months Maybe police are involved now? |
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by Mooncub on Dec 30, 2020 18:46:16 GMT 1, It would be good to hear how the refunding of fake Petrol Bombs is going too, have all been contacted now? They think by not saying anything this will go away, this will go on for months Maybe police are involved now?
It would be good to hear how the refunding of fake Petrol Bombs is going too, have all been contacted now? They think by not saying anything this will go away, this will go on for months Maybe police are involved now? To be fair, most places closed before xmas and wont open again until 4 January. |
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by tab1 on Jan 4, 2021 12:54:54 GMT 1, The owner has been logging in here over that period and posts in evenings / night so could update if he wanted to
The owner has been logging in here over that period and posts in evenings / night so could update if he wanted to
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by artmonster on Jan 4, 2021 13:59:55 GMT 1, The owner has been logging in here over that period and posts in evenings / night so could update if he wanted to
“We are not at liberty to comment on an ongoing investigation”
The owner has been logging in here over that period and posts in evenings / night so could update if he wanted to “We are not at liberty to comment on an ongoing investigation” |
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by orenic on Jan 4, 2021 16:58:36 GMT 1, The owner has been logging in here over that period and posts in evenings / night so could update if he wanted to “We are not at liberty to comment on an ongoing investigation”
I’m pretty sure there will be police action taken..... also the fact that they are not responding about all the fake Warhol’s won’t look good for them.
Unless they have contacted all the Warhol buyers and made the situation right.
Anyone know?
The owner has been logging in here over that period and posts in evenings / night so could update if he wanted to “We are not at liberty to comment on an ongoing investigation” I’m pretty sure there will be police action taken..... also the fact that they are not responding about all the fake Warhol’s won’t look good for them. Unless they have contacted all the Warhol buyers and made the situation right. Anyone know? |
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by Rubberneck on Jan 4, 2021 17:21:31 GMT 1, I think most people want to give TW the benefit of the doubt however they certainly need to be a bit more forthcoming in regards to action taken against the perpetrators, how successful they have been in compensating buyers etc.. no news in this case is certainly not good news and certainly sows seeds that they themselves are complicit in the fraud.
I think most people want to give TW the benefit of the doubt however they certainly need to be a bit more forthcoming in regards to action taken against the perpetrators, how successful they have been in compensating buyers etc.. no news in this case is certainly not good news and certainly sows seeds that they themselves are complicit in the fraud.
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by lazarus II on Jan 4, 2021 18:01:36 GMT 1, I think most people want to give TW the benefit of the doubt however they certainly need to be a bit more forthcoming in regards to action taken against the perpetrators, how successful they have been in compensating buyers etc.. no news in this case is certainly not good news and certainly sows seeds that they themselves are complicit in the fraud.
I would expect they have taken legal advice on this and even Lionel Hutz, Attorney At Law would advise his client to stop posting on here.
I think most people want to give TW the benefit of the doubt however they certainly need to be a bit more forthcoming in regards to action taken against the perpetrators, how successful they have been in compensating buyers etc.. no news in this case is certainly not good news and certainly sows seeds that they themselves are complicit in the fraud. I would expect they have taken legal advice on this and even Lionel Hutz, Attorney At Law would advise his client to stop posting on here. |
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by Rubberneck on Jan 4, 2021 18:10:09 GMT 1, I think most people want to give TW the benefit of the doubt however they certainly need to be a bit more forthcoming in regards to action taken against the perpetrators, how successful they have been in compensating buyers etc.. no news in this case is certainly not good news and certainly sows seeds that they themselves are complicit in the fraud. I would expect they have taken legal advice on this and even Lionel Hutz, Attorney At Law would advise his client to stop posting on here.
I think most people want to give TW the benefit of the doubt however they certainly need to be a bit more forthcoming in regards to action taken against the perpetrators, how successful they have been in compensating buyers etc.. no news in this case is certainly not good news and certainly sows seeds that they themselves are complicit in the fraud. I would expect they have taken legal advice on this and even Lionel Hutz, Attorney At Law would advise his client to stop posting on here. For sure but they could post that rather than you speculate that is happening |
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by lazarus II on Jan 4, 2021 18:19:27 GMT 1, I would expect they have taken legal advice on this and even Lionel Hutz, Attorney At Law would advise his client to stop posting on here. For sure but they could post that rather than you speculate that is happening
and you think if they did that that it would placate those with pitchfork in hand ?
I would expect they have taken legal advice on this and even Lionel Hutz, Attorney At Law would advise his client to stop posting on here. For sure but they could post that rather than you speculate that is happening and you think if they did that that it would placate those with pitchfork in hand ? |
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by gimmeabreak on Jan 4, 2021 18:22:59 GMT 1, Why take TW's side on this? This reeks of shite. They sold fake works and then went radio silent once they were found out.
They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt at all here. This is a joke.
Why take TW's side on this? This reeks of shite. They sold fake works and then went radio silent once they were found out.
They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt at all here. This is a joke.
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by lazarus II on Jan 4, 2021 18:30:13 GMT 1, Why take TW's side on this? This reeks of shite. They sold fake works and then went radio silent once they were found out. They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt at all here. This is a joke.
I’m speculating that you are implying that I’m taking TW’s side, thats not the case. Nomatter how this pans out for TW and the folks who have purchased fakes, this is a total clusterfck.
Im just saying that I would expect that TW would have taken legal advice on this and any two boab lawyer would tell them to stop posting on an internet forum.
Why take TW's side on this? This reeks of shite. They sold fake works and then went radio silent once they were found out. They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt at all here. This is a joke. I’m speculating that you are implying that I’m taking TW’s side, thats not the case. Nomatter how this pans out for TW and the folks who have purchased fakes, this is a total clusterfck. Im just saying that I would expect that TW would have taken legal advice on this and any two boab lawyer would tell them to stop posting on an internet forum. |
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by jamieb on Jan 4, 2021 18:35:17 GMT 1, I think most people want to give TW the benefit of the doubt however they certainly need to be a bit more forthcoming in regards to action taken against the perpetrators, how successful they have been in compensating buyers etc.. no news in this case is certainly not good news and certainly sows seeds that they themselves are complicit in the fraud.
Refunding yes, compensating, NOPE.
Complicit ̄\_(ツ)_/ ̄
I think most people want to give TW the benefit of the doubt however they certainly need to be a bit more forthcoming in regards to action taken against the perpetrators, how successful they have been in compensating buyers etc.. no news in this case is certainly not good news and certainly sows seeds that they themselves are complicit in the fraud. Refunding yes, compensating, NOPE. Complicit ̄\_(ツ)_/ ̄ |
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by gimmeabreak on Jan 4, 2021 18:36:27 GMT 1, Why take TW's side on this? This reeks of shite. They sold fake works and then went radio silent once they were found out. They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt at all here. This is a joke. I’m speculating that you are implying that I’m taking TW’s side, thats not the case. Nomatter how this pans out for TW and the folks who have purchased fakes, this is a total clusterfck. Im just saying that I would expect that TW would have taken legal advice on this and any two boab lawyer would tell them to stop posting on an internet forum.
Any 'two boab lawyer' would tell them that they are allowed to tell their clients/buyers/etc. that they are in the midst of a legal battle and cannot disclose any further information. Any person running a business would realize this is a common sense thing to do to keep the buyer pool updated on the current clusterfuck situation. TW has not done that.
Why take TW's side on this? This reeks of shite. They sold fake works and then went radio silent once they were found out. They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt at all here. This is a joke. I’m speculating that you are implying that I’m taking TW’s side, thats not the case. Nomatter how this pans out for TW and the folks who have purchased fakes, this is a total clusterfck. Im just saying that I would expect that TW would have taken legal advice on this and any two boab lawyer would tell them to stop posting on an internet forum. You are defending their actions, and I do not see the benefit of that. I do not think your defense is rational either. I think TW fucked up and their silence is indefensible. Any 'two boab lawyer' would tell them that they are allowed to tell their clients/buyers/etc. that they are in the midst of a legal battle and cannot disclose any further information. Any person running a business would realize this is a common sense thing to do to keep the buyer pool updated on the current clusterfuck situation. TW has not done that. |
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by artmonster on Jan 4, 2021 18:41:10 GMT 1, Well, my opinion is:
- I was approached by TW regarding one of my Banksy’s. He seemed professional and friendly, but (in hindsight) gave advice that was incorrect (possibly to tempt me to sell). That was not a great memory, I don’t like being pushed...
- where there is smoke (a lot of smoke), there is often a fire. It doesn’t really matter whether they respond here or not. Would it make a difference to your perception, really?
So, my reasoning would be: stay away
BUT that doesn’t mean you can’t redeem yourself. I firmly believe in second chances...it just takes time.
Well, my opinion is:
- I was approached by TW regarding one of my Banksy’s. He seemed professional and friendly, but (in hindsight) gave advice that was incorrect (possibly to tempt me to sell). That was not a great memory, I don’t like being pushed...
- where there is smoke (a lot of smoke), there is often a fire. It doesn’t really matter whether they respond here or not. Would it make a difference to your perception, really?
So, my reasoning would be: stay away
BUT that doesn’t mean you can’t redeem yourself. I firmly believe in second chances...it just takes time.
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by lazarus II on Jan 4, 2021 18:48:34 GMT 1, I havent defended their actions at all. I’ve said i expect that they’ll have taken legal advice and I would think a lawyer would advise them not to post any more on an internet forum, particularly a forum in which some of their own previous posts dont do them any favours.
I havent defended their actions at all. I’ve said i expect that they’ll have taken legal advice and I would think a lawyer would advise them not to post any more on an internet forum, particularly a forum in which some of their own previous posts dont do them any favours.
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by orenic on Jan 4, 2021 20:17:33 GMT 1, I think most people want to give TW the benefit of the doubt however they certainly need to be a bit more forthcoming in regards to action taken against the perpetrators, how successful they have been in compensating buyers etc.. no news in this case is certainly not good news and certainly sows seeds that they themselves are complicit in the fraud. I would expect they have taken legal advice on this and even Lionel Hutz, Attorney At Law would advise his client to stop posting on here.
Well if that’s the case they should never be allowed on here to try and drum up business for any future fraudulent sales. I think that’s more than fair !!
I think most people want to give TW the benefit of the doubt however they certainly need to be a bit more forthcoming in regards to action taken against the perpetrators, how successful they have been in compensating buyers etc.. no news in this case is certainly not good news and certainly sows seeds that they themselves are complicit in the fraud. I would expect they have taken legal advice on this and even Lionel Hutz, Attorney At Law would advise his client to stop posting on here. Well if that’s the case they should never be allowed on here to try and drum up business for any future fraudulent sales. I think that’s more than fair !! |
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by artmonster on Jan 4, 2021 20:18:41 GMT 1, Who said life was fair...
Who said life was fair...
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by tab1 on Jan 4, 2021 21:07:36 GMT 1, Police action is only taken if A buyer is not refunded and action raised by the buyer
Shown on here by this thread everyone is happy with their refunds including the person that raised the issue and none have taken no further action , presumably if they keep quiet it will all blow over as already shown the Warhol items may be effected , a full investigation may spread to many other items / artists being counterfeit .
Shown already they had a great market and much more to come if they carry out a full independent investigation to clear them of any wrongdoing it may help them to retrieve that market
Police action is only taken if A buyer is not refunded and action raised by the buyer
Shown on here by this thread everyone is happy with their refunds including the person that raised the issue and none have taken no further action , presumably if they keep quiet it will all blow over as already shown the Warhol items may be effected , a full investigation may spread to many other items / artists being counterfeit .
Shown already they had a great market and much more to come if they carry out a full independent investigation to clear them of any wrongdoing it may help them to retrieve that market
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by overend on Jan 4, 2021 21:27:53 GMT 1, Police action is only taken if A buyer is not refunded and action raised by the buyer Shown on here by this thread everyone is happy with their refunds including the person that raised the issue and none have taken no further action , presumably if they keep quiet it will all blow over as already shown the Warhol items may be effected , a full investigation may spread to many other items / artists being counterfeit . Shown already they had a great market and much more to come if they carry out a full independent investigation to clear them of any wrongdoing it may help them to retrieve that market
TW seem to be saying they are the victims of a persistent fraud conducted on them. Why would the police not investigate that if TW reported it?
Police action is only taken if A buyer is not refunded and action raised by the buyer Shown on here by this thread everyone is happy with their refunds including the person that raised the issue and none have taken no further action , presumably if they keep quiet it will all blow over as already shown the Warhol items may be effected , a full investigation may spread to many other items / artists being counterfeit . Shown already they had a great market and much more to come if they carry out a full independent investigation to clear them of any wrongdoing it may help them to retrieve that market TW seem to be saying they are the victims of a persistent fraud conducted on them. Why would the police not investigate that if TW reported it? |
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by tab1 on Jan 4, 2021 21:35:00 GMT 1, Police action is only taken if A buyer is not refunded and action raised by the buyer Shown on here by this thread everyone is happy with their refunds including the person that raised the issue and none have taken no further action , presumably if they keep quiet it will all blow over as already shown the Warhol items may be effected , a full investigation may spread to many other items / artists being counterfeit . Shown already they had a great market and much more to come if they carry out a full independent investigation to clear them of any wrongdoing it may help them to retrieve that market TW seem to be saying they are the victims of a persistent fraud conducted on them. Why would the police not investigate that if TW reported it?
Exactly it would clear things up and clear the speculation .
On the scale and the years the fraud was conducted can make your own logical assumptions for now .
I know a couple of times I discussed that there were fakes around years ago here
Police action is only taken if A buyer is not refunded and action raised by the buyer Shown on here by this thread everyone is happy with their refunds including the person that raised the issue and none have taken no further action , presumably if they keep quiet it will all blow over as already shown the Warhol items may be effected , a full investigation may spread to many other items / artists being counterfeit . Shown already they had a great market and much more to come if they carry out a full independent investigation to clear them of any wrongdoing it may help them to retrieve that market TW seem to be saying they are the victims of a persistent fraud conducted on them. Why would the police not investigate that if TW reported it? Exactly it would clear things up and clear the speculation . On the scale and the years the fraud was conducted can make your own logical assumptions for now . I know a couple of times I discussed that there were fakes around years ago here |
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by sandinthedesert on Jan 5, 2021 18:41:08 GMT 1, I was contacted by TW about a month ago, that the petrol bomb i bought a while back might be a fake. After I managed to reach them (which took some time) they asked me to send pictures to verify. Now I am waiting to hear back from them... Again, all a bit slow. Because of the whole incident I stumbled upon this forum and as I understand, I have members from here to thank, that the whole thing came to light - so thank you!
I was contacted by TW about a month ago, that the petrol bomb i bought a while back might be a fake. After I managed to reach them (which took some time) they asked me to send pictures to verify. Now I am waiting to hear back from them... Again, all a bit slow. Because of the whole incident I stumbled upon this forum and as I understand, I have members from here to thank, that the whole thing came to light - so thank you!
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by lazarus II on Jan 5, 2021 19:19:28 GMT 1, I was contacted by TW about a month ago, that the petrol bomb i bought a while back might be a fake. After I managed to reach them (which took some time) they asked me to send pictures to verify. Now I am waiting to hear back from them... Again, all a bit slow. Because of the whole incident I stumbled upon this forum and as I understand, I have members from here to thank, that the whole thing came to light - so thank you!
post your pics here and the members will feedback if you have a fake or not but sadly i think the odds are not stacked in your favour🙈
I was contacted by TW about a month ago, that the petrol bomb i bought a while back might be a fake. After I managed to reach them (which took some time) they asked me to send pictures to verify. Now I am waiting to hear back from them... Again, all a bit slow. Because of the whole incident I stumbled upon this forum and as I understand, I have members from here to thank, that the whole thing came to light - so thank you! post your pics here and the members will feedback if you have a fake or not but sadly i think the odds are not stacked in your favour🙈 |
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