Black Wolf
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by Black Wolf on Jan 23, 2021 9:29:45 GMT 1, What I can say is that we are confident that we have contacted everyone who has have been affected by the above issue. A few havenโt responded yet, we will continue to try to contact these buyers. Not all the prints sold were fake a number were genuine. All have been offered a full refund and in addition any shipping. framing and other costs involved. Not sure I believe this when Danny sent me this is a PM a while back Nick and I are in the process as are we of tracking down, contacting all buyers. The Tate Ward ones are on our system and any โaftersalesโ are listed with us so the task is in hand. Nick is also checking back through all email, whatsapp and msgโs to find all of the ones he sold privately. If you can help in any way we would appreciate it. Please encourage anyone who contacted you to get in touch with Nick or myself and begin the process of either full refund or inspection and refund.Danny also asked me thisWeโve had a punishing schedule over the last few months and Harry has done his absolute best and he also reads the forum so for him to read that he is being given any responsibility irrespective weather its true or not is not something Iโm comfortable with. The responsibility is totally with Nick and I so Iโd really appreciate it if you removed that part of your post feel free to substitute me if you really feel the need to name someone. When Nick had thrown Harry under the bus to me as the excuse that a fake had got through the checking. I think it's clear that Harry isn't the problem, none the less he was the excuse given to me by Nick. That and that the poster I was sold was consigned by the same person who had also consigned multiple Banksy prints. Whatspps transcript with Nickย [29/09/2020, 13:08:39] Jamie B: Even the flyer is dodgy. Colour laser copy thatโs then been screwed up to look โagedโ
โ[29/09/2020, 13:10:12] Jamie B: do you have areal one to replace it with? or just refund?
[29/09/2020, 13:11:00] Nick Clark: Jamie - we took this in from a guy that consigned a lot of works with us including a signed and US Banksy - he lives in Bristol and bearing in mind his collection I would be AMAZED if he would make any kind of โ move โ however I want you to be 100 % happy and of course Iโm very happy to refund you??
[29/09/2020, 13:11:44] Nick Clark: We obviously get offered a lot of these but people want big money because of the results we are getting
[29/09/2020, 13:12:14] Nick Clark: In the meantime - pls send it back to me and I will also refund the cost of you sending it back
[29/09/2020, 13:12:15] Jamie B: I assure it's 100% fake. You said you had a few, can you look at the others?
[29/09/2020, 13:12:53] Nick Clark: They were from 3 different clients - all in future sales - they wanted more money
My question, who is the guy from Bristol.... I bet you he is on this forum. Anyone know who it is ?
Sundowner was selling a fake as well but he assured the forum that Tate Wards were not fake, whatโs going on here
Sundowner are you Mr Bristol ?
What I can say is that we are confident that we have contacted everyone who has have been affected by the above issue. A few havenโt responded yet, we will continue to try to contact these buyers. Not all the prints sold were fake a number were genuine. All have been offered a full refund and in addition any shipping. framing and other costs involved. Not sure I believe this when Danny sent me this is a PM a while back Nick and I are in the process as are we of tracking down, contacting all buyers. The Tate Ward ones are on our system and any โaftersalesโ are listed with us so the task is in hand. Nick is also checking back through all email, whatsapp and msgโs to find all of the ones he sold privately. If you can help in any way we would appreciate it. Please encourage anyone who contacted you to get in touch with Nick or myself and begin the process of either full refund or inspection and refund.Danny also asked me thisWeโve had a punishing schedule over the last few months and Harry has done his absolute best and he also reads the forum so for him to read that he is being given any responsibility irrespective weather its true or not is not something Iโm comfortable with. The responsibility is totally with Nick and I so Iโd really appreciate it if you removed that part of your post feel free to substitute me if you really feel the need to name someone. When Nick had thrown Harry under the bus to me as the excuse that a fake had got through the checking. I think it's clear that Harry isn't the problem, none the less he was the excuse given to me by Nick. That and that the poster I was sold was consigned by the same person who had also consigned multiple Banksy prints. Whatspps transcript with Nickย [29/09/2020, 13:08:39] Jamie B: Even the flyer is dodgy. Colour laser copy thatโs then been screwed up to look โagedโ
โ[29/09/2020, 13:10:12] Jamie B: do you have areal one to replace it with? or just refund?
[29/09/2020, 13:11:00] Nick Clark: Jamie - we took this in from a guy that consigned a lot of works with us including a signed and US Banksy - he lives in Bristol and bearing in mind his collection I would be AMAZED if he would make any kind of โ move โ however I want you to be 100 % happy and of course Iโm very happy to refund you??
[29/09/2020, 13:11:44] Nick Clark: We obviously get offered a lot of these but people want big money because of the results we are getting
[29/09/2020, 13:12:14] Nick Clark: In the meantime - pls send it back to me and I will also refund the cost of you sending it back
[29/09/2020, 13:12:15] Jamie B: I assure it's 100% fake. You said you had a few, can you look at the others?
[29/09/2020, 13:12:53] Nick Clark: They were from 3 different clients - all in future sales - they wanted more moneyMy question, who is the guy from Bristol.... I bet you he is on this forum. Anyone know who it is ? Sundowner was selling a fake as well but he assured the forum that Tate Wards were not fake, whatโs going on here Sundowner are you Mr Bristol ?
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Sundowner
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by Sundowner on Jan 23, 2021 10:28:38 GMT 1, Not sure I believe this when Danny sent me this is a PM a while back Nick and I are in the process as are we of tracking down, contacting all buyers. The Tate Ward ones are on our system and any โaftersalesโ are listed with us so the task is in hand. Nick is also checking back through all email, whatsapp and msgโs to find all of the ones he sold privately. If you can help in any way we would appreciate it. Please encourage anyone who contacted you to get in touch with Nick or myself and begin the process of either full refund or inspection and refund.Danny also asked me thisWeโve had a punishing schedule over the last few months and Harry has done his absolute best and he also reads the forum so for him to read that he is being given any responsibility irrespective weather its true or not is not something Iโm comfortable with. The responsibility is totally with Nick and I so Iโd really appreciate it if you removed that part of your post feel free to substitute me if you really feel the need to name someone. When Nick had thrown Harry under the bus to me as the excuse that a fake had got through the checking. I think it's clear that Harry isn't the problem, none the less he was the excuse given to me by Nick. That and that the poster I was sold was consigned by the same person who had also consigned multiple Banksy prints. Whatspps transcript with Nickย [29/09/2020, 13:08:39] Jamie B: Even the flyer is dodgy. Colour laser copy thatโs then been screwed up to look โagedโ
โ[29/09/2020, 13:10:12] Jamie B: do you have areal one to replace it with? or just refund?
[29/09/2020, 13:11:00] Nick Clark: Jamie - we took this in from a guy that consigned a lot of works with us including a signed and US Banksy - he lives in Bristol and bearing in mind his collection I would be AMAZED if he would make any kind of โ move โ however I want you to be 100 % happy and of course Iโm very happy to refund you??
[29/09/2020, 13:11:44] Nick Clark: We obviously get offered a lot of these but people want big money because of the results we are getting
[29/09/2020, 13:12:14] Nick Clark: In the meantime - pls send it back to me and I will also refund the cost of you sending it back
[29/09/2020, 13:12:15] Jamie B: I assure it's 100% fake. You said you had a few, can you look at the others?
[29/09/2020, 13:12:53] Nick Clark: They were from 3 different clients - all in future sales - they wanted more moneyMy question, who is the guy from Bristol.... I bet you he is on this forum. Anyone know who it is ? Sundowner was selling a fake as well but he assured the forum that Tate Wards were not fake, whatโs going on here Sundowner are you Mr Bristol ?
No I'm not and I have absolutely no idea why you would suggest that when I already made clear where I acquired the poster. Maybe you missed it so just for your benefit, I bought the poster I had from a forum member on here, someone not associated with Tate Ward. I still don't know where (or when) the person I bought it from got it from as they haven't bothered to answer the many PMs I have sent them (that said they haven't logged in for three months). The buyer who purchased from me on ebay was immediately refunded when they questioned it's authenticity and the item was subsequently destroyed.
Not sure I believe this when Danny sent me this is a PM a while back Nick and I are in the process as are we of tracking down, contacting all buyers. The Tate Ward ones are on our system and any โaftersalesโ are listed with us so the task is in hand. Nick is also checking back through all email, whatsapp and msgโs to find all of the ones he sold privately. If you can help in any way we would appreciate it. Please encourage anyone who contacted you to get in touch with Nick or myself and begin the process of either full refund or inspection and refund.Danny also asked me thisWeโve had a punishing schedule over the last few months and Harry has done his absolute best and he also reads the forum so for him to read that he is being given any responsibility irrespective weather its true or not is not something Iโm comfortable with. The responsibility is totally with Nick and I so Iโd really appreciate it if you removed that part of your post feel free to substitute me if you really feel the need to name someone. When Nick had thrown Harry under the bus to me as the excuse that a fake had got through the checking. I think it's clear that Harry isn't the problem, none the less he was the excuse given to me by Nick. That and that the poster I was sold was consigned by the same person who had also consigned multiple Banksy prints. Whatspps transcript with Nickย [29/09/2020, 13:08:39] Jamie B: Even the flyer is dodgy. Colour laser copy thatโs then been screwed up to look โagedโ
โ[29/09/2020, 13:10:12] Jamie B: do you have areal one to replace it with? or just refund?
[29/09/2020, 13:11:00] Nick Clark: Jamie - we took this in from a guy that consigned a lot of works with us including a signed and US Banksy - he lives in Bristol and bearing in mind his collection I would be AMAZED if he would make any kind of โ move โ however I want you to be 100 % happy and of course Iโm very happy to refund you??
[29/09/2020, 13:11:44] Nick Clark: We obviously get offered a lot of these but people want big money because of the results we are getting
[29/09/2020, 13:12:14] Nick Clark: In the meantime - pls send it back to me and I will also refund the cost of you sending it back
[29/09/2020, 13:12:15] Jamie B: I assure it's 100% fake. You said you had a few, can you look at the others?
[29/09/2020, 13:12:53] Nick Clark: They were from 3 different clients - all in future sales - they wanted more moneyMy question, who is the guy from Bristol.... I bet you he is on this forum. Anyone know who it is ? Sundowner was selling a fake as well but he assured the forum that Tate Wards were not fake, whatโs going on here Sundowner are you Mr Bristol ? No I'm not and I have absolutely no idea why you would suggest that when I already made clear where I acquired the poster. Maybe you missed it so just for your benefit, I bought the poster I had from a forum member on here, someone not associated with Tate Ward. I still don't know where (or when) the person I bought it from got it from as they haven't bothered to answer the many PMs I have sent them (that said they haven't logged in for three months). The buyer who purchased from me on ebay was immediately refunded when they questioned it's authenticity and the item was subsequently destroyed.
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Sundowner
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by Sundowner on Jan 23, 2021 10:57:35 GMT 1,
You are absolutely right, which is why I messaged the buyer that if there was any doubt as to it's authenticity when it arrived, that he would be refunded immediately.
Unlike some of the keyboard warriors on here, I don't actually spend much time on here at all now. I hadn't read this thread and was actually alerted to it by another forum member after my item had sold.
Before you question my integrity and try and link me to any wrongdoings then why don't you try asking the dozens of members I have bought and sold from over the last 13 years on here (some are listed under my avatar).
You are absolutely right, which is why I messaged the buyer that if there was any doubt as to it's authenticity when it arrived, that he would be refunded immediately. Unlike some of the keyboard warriors on here, I don't actually spend much time on here at all now. I hadn't read this thread and was actually alerted to it by another forum member after my item had sold. Before you question my integrity and try and link me to any wrongdoings then why don't you try asking the dozens of members I have bought and sold from over the last 13 years on here (some are listed under my avatar).
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iamzero
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by iamzero on Jan 23, 2021 11:20:01 GMT 1, For what itโs worth I canโt imagine Sundowner being involved in any large scale fake poster shenanigans.
For what itโs worth I canโt imagine Sundowner being involved in any large scale fake poster shenanigans.
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iamzero
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by iamzero on Jan 23, 2021 11:39:00 GMT 1, Now that is way more believable... filthy scoundrel.
Now that is way more believable... filthy scoundrel.
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charliec2701
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by charliec2701 on Jan 23, 2021 11:43:23 GMT 1, Why arenโt those directly affected by this contacting the police? Youโve read Daniels response. Accept it or donโt accept it but at least you have the name of the police officer dealing with it. If you want to resolve this legally I donโt understand why everyone hasnโt made contact with the police if you feel deliberately conned? Be interesting to know how many have made a police complaint versus those simply expressing vitriol on a public forum that the accused can easily stop responding to and have most probably been legally advised not to respond to.
Why arenโt those directly affected by this contacting the police? Youโve read Daniels response. Accept it or donโt accept it but at least you have the name of the police officer dealing with it. If you want to resolve this legally I donโt understand why everyone hasnโt made contact with the police if you feel deliberately conned? Be interesting to know how many have made a police complaint versus those simply expressing vitriol on a public forum that the accused can easily stop responding to and have most probably been legally advised not to respond to.
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woodman
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by woodman on Jan 23, 2021 11:54:42 GMT 1, I don't know who sundowner is - even though I am in Bristol, but it seems pretty obvious to an outsider looking in that he has nothing do with any fake largescale scam going on. Fair enough to throw dirt on/at people who are involved, but I don't think it's fair to simply guess and throw dirt at someone who has explained what has happened in their own case. I think you would easily spot a liar - as they do get exposed quite easily.
I am not putting my neck on the line saying sundowner hasn't been spreading the virus through the continents though!
I don't know who sundowner is - even though I am in Bristol, but it seems pretty obvious to an outsider looking in that he has nothing do with any fake largescale scam going on. Fair enough to throw dirt on/at people who are involved, but I don't think it's fair to simply guess and throw dirt at someone who has explained what has happened in their own case. I think you would easily spot a liar - as they do get exposed quite easily.
I am not putting my neck on the line saying sundowner hasn't been spreading the virus through the continents though!
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trax51
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by trax51 on Jan 23, 2021 13:50:50 GMT 1, For what itโs worth I canโt imagine Sundowner being involved in any large scale fake poster shenanigans. I'm pretty sure I heard Sundowner was involved in spreading the coronavirus around different continents too
Yep, heard also that Sundowner was working hand in hand with Sasha to spread coronavirus around the planet and the art world. Stay away from them !!!!
PS: sash & sundowner... canโt wait to catch up for a beer ๐ปโ๏ธ
For what itโs worth I canโt imagine Sundowner being involved in any large scale fake poster shenanigans. I'm pretty sure I heard Sundowner was involved in spreading the coronavirus around different continents too Yep, heard also that Sundowner was working hand in hand with Sasha to spread coronavirus around the planet and the art world. Stay away from them !!!! PS: sash & sundowner... canโt wait to catch up for a beer ๐ปโ๏ธ
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jamieb
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by jamieb on Jan 23, 2021 14:52:33 GMT 1, Not sure I believe this when Danny sent me this is a PM a while back Nick and I are in the process as are we of tracking down, contacting all buyers. The Tate Ward ones are on our system and any โaftersalesโ are listed with us so the task is in hand. Nick is also checking back through all email, whatsapp and msgโs to find all of the ones he sold privately. If you can help in any way we would appreciate it. Please encourage anyone who contacted you to get in touch with Nick or myself and begin the process of either full refund or inspection and refund.Danny also asked me thisWeโve had a punishing schedule over the last few months and Harry has done his absolute best and he also reads the forum so for him to read that he is being given any responsibility irrespective weather its true or not is not something Iโm comfortable with. The responsibility is totally with Nick and I so Iโd really appreciate it if you removed that part of your post feel free to substitute me if you really feel the need to name someone. When Nick had thrown Harry under the bus to me as the excuse that a fake had got through the checking. I think it's clear that Harry isn't the problem, none the less he was the excuse given to me by Nick. That and that the poster I was sold was consigned by the same person who had also consigned multiple Banksy prints. Whatspps transcript with Nick [29/09/2020, 13:08:39] Jamie B: Even the flyer is dodgy. Colour laser copy thatโs then been screwed up to look โagedโ
โ[29/09/2020, 13:10:12] Jamie B: do you have areal one to replace it with? or just refund?
[29/09/2020, 13:11:00] Nick Clark: Jamie - we took this in from a guy that consigned a lot of works with us including a signed and US Banksy - he lives in Bristol and bearing in mind his collection I would be AMAZED if he would make any kind of โ move โ however I want you to be 100 % happy and of course Iโm very happy to refund you??
[29/09/2020, 13:11:44] Nick Clark: We obviously get offered a lot of these but people want big money because of the results we are getting
[29/09/2020, 13:12:14] Nick Clark: In the meantime - pls send it back to me and I will also refund the cost of you sending it back
[29/09/2020, 13:12:15] Jamie B: I assure it's 100% fake. You said you had a few, can you look at the others?
[29/09/2020, 13:12:53] Nick Clark: They were from 3 different clients - all in future sales - they wanted more moneyMy question, who is the guy from Bristol.... I bet you he is on this forum. Anyone know who it is ? Sundowner was selling a fake as well but he assured the forum that Tate Wards were not fake, whatโs going on here Sundowner are you Mr Bristol ?
I think you may have missed the point of my post - the guy in Bristol is total fiction and the bullshit lie I was given to justify the sale of the fake to me.
We all know that it wasn't an isolated issue and they have sold 10s if not 100s in auction on ebay on Facebook on this forum, privately and also sold in quantity to galleries. My fake did NOT come from some guy in Bristol.
Not sure I believe this when Danny sent me this is a PM a while back Nick and I are in the process as are we of tracking down, contacting all buyers. The Tate Ward ones are on our system and any โaftersalesโ are listed with us so the task is in hand. Nick is also checking back through all email, whatsapp and msgโs to find all of the ones he sold privately. If you can help in any way we would appreciate it. Please encourage anyone who contacted you to get in touch with Nick or myself and begin the process of either full refund or inspection and refund.Danny also asked me thisWeโve had a punishing schedule over the last few months and Harry has done his absolute best and he also reads the forum so for him to read that he is being given any responsibility irrespective weather its true or not is not something Iโm comfortable with. The responsibility is totally with Nick and I so Iโd really appreciate it if you removed that part of your post feel free to substitute me if you really feel the need to name someone. When Nick had thrown Harry under the bus to me as the excuse that a fake had got through the checking. I think it's clear that Harry isn't the problem, none the less he was the excuse given to me by Nick. That and that the poster I was sold was consigned by the same person who had also consigned multiple Banksy prints. Whatspps transcript with Nick [29/09/2020, 13:08:39] Jamie B: Even the flyer is dodgy. Colour laser copy thatโs then been screwed up to look โagedโ
โ[29/09/2020, 13:10:12] Jamie B: do you have areal one to replace it with? or just refund?
[29/09/2020, 13:11:00] Nick Clark: Jamie - we took this in from a guy that consigned a lot of works with us including a signed and US Banksy - he lives in Bristol and bearing in mind his collection I would be AMAZED if he would make any kind of โ move โ however I want you to be 100 % happy and of course Iโm very happy to refund you??
[29/09/2020, 13:11:44] Nick Clark: We obviously get offered a lot of these but people want big money because of the results we are getting
[29/09/2020, 13:12:14] Nick Clark: In the meantime - pls send it back to me and I will also refund the cost of you sending it back
[29/09/2020, 13:12:15] Jamie B: I assure it's 100% fake. You said you had a few, can you look at the others?
[29/09/2020, 13:12:53] Nick Clark: They were from 3 different clients - all in future sales - they wanted more moneyMy question, who is the guy from Bristol.... I bet you he is on this forum. Anyone know who it is ? Sundowner was selling a fake as well but he assured the forum that Tate Wards were not fake, whatโs going on here Sundowner are you Mr Bristol ? I think you may have missed the point of my post - the guy in Bristol is total fiction and the bullshit lie I was given to justify the sale of the fake to me. We all know that it wasn't an isolated issue and they have sold 10s if not 100s in auction on ebay on Facebook on this forum, privately and also sold in quantity to galleries. My fake did NOT come from some guy in Bristol.
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iamzero
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by iamzero on Jan 23, 2021 14:54:55 GMT 1, Have you contacted the Police over this Jamie?
Have you contacted the Police over this Jamie?
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charliec2701
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by charliec2701 on Jan 23, 2021 14:58:41 GMT 1, ๐ค๐ค wake me up when youโve contacted the police rather than a forum ....
๐ค๐ค wake me up when youโve contacted the police rather than a forum ....
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Terry Fuckwitt
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by Terry Fuckwitt on Jan 23, 2021 16:04:06 GMT 1, The real criminal activity is spending more than 10 pounds or dollars on Banksy tat.
Yep, we heard you the first 500 times๐
The real criminal activity is spending more than 10 pounds or dollars on Banksy tat. Yep, we heard you the first 500 times๐
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irl1
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by irl1 on Jan 23, 2021 16:08:02 GMT 1, All the latest posts about user s should be deleted
He was asked if his P.B had anything to do with T.W and answered "No, definitely not" (Jan 7th)
The buyer was refunded when he found out it was fake
These new posts are way out of order
All the latest posts about user s should be deleted
He was asked if his P.B had anything to do with T.W and answered "No, definitely not" (Jan 7th)
The buyer was refunded when he found out it was fake
These new posts are way out of order
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by buffin on Jan 23, 2021 17:49:46 GMT 1, At the risk of putting my head above the parapet but in my experience Sundowner is one of the good guys on the forum. Not many about these days.
At the risk of putting my head above the parapet but in my experience Sundowner is one of the good guys on the forum. Not many about these days.
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by Steph Rat Catcher on Jan 23, 2021 18:00:59 GMT 1, For what itโs worth I canโt imagine Sundowner being involved in any large scale fake poster shenanigans.
Bristol chris lovely guy .. drinks a lot of cider though ๐คทโโ๏ธ
For what itโs worth I canโt imagine Sundowner being involved in any large scale fake poster shenanigans. Bristol chris lovely guy .. drinks a lot of cider though ๐คทโโ๏ธ
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jamieb
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by jamieb on Jan 24, 2021 12:47:12 GMT 1, Have you contacted the Police over this Jamie? Yes I have now contacted Ray Swann as I now know who to speak to.
Also I would urge all the people who had been sold these fraudulent posters to report it here
www.actionfraud.police.uk
Have you contacted the Police over this Jamie? Yes I have now contacted Ray Swann as I now know who to speak to. Also I would urge all the people who had been sold these fraudulent posters to report it here www.actionfraud.police.uk
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by jamieb on Jan 24, 2021 12:47:44 GMT 1, ๐ค๐ค wake me up when youโve contacted the police rather than a forum .... Done
๐ค๐ค wake me up when youโve contacted the police rather than a forum .... Done
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iamzero
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by iamzero on Jan 24, 2021 13:33:29 GMT 1, Contacting the police has to be the right thing to do. If Tate Ward have knowing been selling fakes then then need the full force of the law applied to them but equally if they are found to be victims themselves then then also need to be vindicated.
Personally I think we need an auction house like TW that will take on the collectible tat that has gained valued recently but they have have a duty of care to ensure the stuff like Petrol Bomb posters and GDP prints are genuine before selling them. Thatโs what you pay a premium for. As much as we like to dismiss all this stuff itโs always good to know that itโs worth something to someone should we ever need to sell it on.
Contacting the police has to be the right thing to do. If Tate Ward have knowing been selling fakes then then need the full force of the law applied to them but equally if they are found to be victims themselves then then also need to be vindicated.
Personally I think we need an auction house like TW that will take on the collectible tat that has gained valued recently but they have have a duty of care to ensure the stuff like Petrol Bomb posters and GDP prints are genuine before selling them. Thatโs what you pay a premium for. As much as we like to dismiss all this stuff itโs always good to know that itโs worth something to someone should we ever need to sell it on.
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by orenic on Feb 17, 2021 7:57:35 GMT 1, So there are now questions about the haring works in their current auction.
Petrol Bomb Posters Warholโs Haring
What artist will they sell fake works of next?
So there are now questions about the haring works in their current auction.
Petrol Bomb Posters Warholโs Haring
What artist will they sell fake works of next?
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by ncewnimw on Feb 17, 2021 8:14:06 GMT 1, Those two Haring subway scrawls are def fake. Could def be this guy here in the south of Sweden whoโs involved (again).
Those two Haring subway scrawls are def fake. Could def be this guy here in the south of Sweden whoโs involved (again).
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broke
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by broke on Feb 17, 2021 9:48:05 GMT 1, Those two Haring subway scrawls are def fake. Could def be this guy here in the south of Sweden whoโs involved (again).
What makes you think they are definitely fakes?
Those two Haring subway scrawls are def fake. Could def be this guy here in the south of Sweden whoโs involved (again). What makes you think they are definitely fakes?
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gimmeabreak
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by gimmeabreak on Feb 17, 2021 14:52:59 GMT 1, bout every haring subway scrawl a fake mate
bout every haring subway scrawl a fake mate
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Rubberneck
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by Rubberneck on Feb 17, 2021 15:45:25 GMT 1, Has anyone contacted TW, their processes for sifting out fakes donโt seem that robust.
Has anyone contacted TW, their processes for sifting out fakes donโt seem that robust.
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 16:01:13 GMT 1, bout every haring subway scrawl a fake mate
Well thatโs that sorted then. ๐
bout every haring subway scrawl a fake mate Well thatโs that sorted then. ๐
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broke
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by broke on Feb 17, 2021 17:09:09 GMT 1, bout every haring subway scrawl a fake mate That doesn't mean these are.
Obviously proving otherwise is hard but I have seen these particular pieces up close and if they are fakes they are extremely good ones.
bout every haring subway scrawl a fake mate That doesn't mean these are. Obviously proving otherwise is hard but I have seen these particular pieces up close and if they are fakes they are extremely good ones.
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WOOF
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by WOOF on Feb 17, 2021 17:13:44 GMT 1, bout every haring subway scrawl a fake mate That doesn't mean these are. Obviously proving otherwise is hard but I have seen these particular pieces up close and if they are fakes they are extremely good ones. What about seeing these in person makes you think they're real? Unless you own a real one that was ripped off a wall by Keith himself and handed to you that you can compare against, I'm curious what you're basing your assessment on...
bout every haring subway scrawl a fake mate That doesn't mean these are. Obviously proving otherwise is hard but I have seen these particular pieces up close and if they are fakes they are extremely good ones. What about seeing these in person makes you think they're real? Unless you own a real one that was ripped off a wall by Keith himself and handed to you that you can compare against, I'm curious what you're basing your assessment on...
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Lazarus II
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by Lazarus II on Feb 17, 2021 17:32:56 GMT 1, Has anyone contacted TW, their processes for sifting out fakes donโt seem that robust. i would expect that based on recent history, anyone on here will know to do due diligence on anything they are interested in. Many others on here will continue to throw fooks into TW even though they have stated theyโd never buy from them.
Has anyone contacted TW, their processes for sifting out fakes donโt seem that robust. i would expect that based on recent history, anyone on here will know to do due diligence on anything they are interested in. Many others on here will continue to throw fooks into TW even though they have stated theyโd never buy from them.
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WOOF
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by WOOF on Feb 17, 2021 17:35:26 GMT 1, There's a lot of opinionated people on here that claim with great authority that "x is a fake". But when someone asks why, they don't seem to be able to say. Hmm. Not directed at anyone in particular but whatever people say on here, I take with a large pinch of salt these days. That's interesting coming from you, given your seemingly endless defending of TW and the potential shady business going on over there.
There's a lot of opinionated people on here that claim with great authority that "x is a fake". But when someone asks why, they don't seem to be able to say. Hmm. Not directed at anyone in particular but whatever people say on here, I take with a large pinch of salt these days. That's interesting coming from you, given your seemingly endless defending of TW and the potential shady business going on over there.
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broke
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by broke on Feb 17, 2021 18:48:24 GMT 1, That doesn't mean these are.ย Obviously proving otherwise is hard but I have seen these particular pieces up close and if they are fakes they are extremely good ones.ย ย What about seeing these in person makes you think they're real? Unless you own a real one that was ripped off a wall by Keith himself and handed to you that you can compare against, I'm curious what you're basing your assessment on...
I'm no expert, and I'm not saying they are 100% legit but if they are fake then someone has done an impressive job. From what I can remember, the backs are covered in layers of old advertising posters that the black paper originally covered. There is certainly some age to them based on the feel of the paper and glue used.
I have worked on many of Haring's subway drawings in the past and these feel no different. However the 100+ pieces I have worked on could have also been fakes.
You are right. The only way of knowing for sure is acquiring one from the man himself, which you might struggle with now.
Personally I would never buy one. I'm sure he would be turning in his grave if he knew how much these were going for.
That doesn't mean these are.ย Obviously proving otherwise is hard but I have seen these particular pieces up close and if they are fakes they are extremely good ones.ย ย What about seeing these in person makes you think they're real? Unless you own a real one that was ripped off a wall by Keith himself and handed to you that you can compare against, I'm curious what you're basing your assessment on... I'm no expert, and I'm not saying they are 100% legit but if they are fake then someone has done an impressive job. From what I can remember, the backs are covered in layers of old advertising posters that the black paper originally covered. There is certainly some age to them based on the feel of the paper and glue used. I have worked on many of Haring's subway drawings in the past and these feel no different. However the 100+ pieces I have worked on could have also been fakes. You are right. The only way of knowing for sure is acquiring one from the man himself, which you might struggle with now. Personally I would never buy one. I'm sure he would be turning in his grave if he knew how much these were going for.
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