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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Apr 20, 2016 12:37:38 GMT 1, you don't see the problem with a one sided debate? or public money used to attempt to influence the people to vote the way the government wants them to? My issue with it is if they give people a choice, why do they then try to expose everyone to their narrow perspective on the issue? That seems a like an act of desperation as they may not get what they hoped for. I certainly don't see a one sided debate anywhere. If the government believe it is best to stay in, then that's just their side of the argument... but probably an important one to listen to, as they should know more than the average member of the public. Personally I think it will be best to stay in Europe. We get at least as much back as we pay in, probably more. Immigration issues won't change (if that's your problem with Europe), plus rules can be changed and still remain in Europe. (For example, in Italy you can't claim benefits unless you've worked for 2 years. So, why are we told our rules are set by Europe when other countries clearly have different rules?) The ability to travel and work freely in Europe is something I've personally benefited from (worked in Italy for 2 years). And from a personal, financial point of view I don't want to start paying VAT on all imports from Europe. Something I've not heard talked about, but hugely relevant to many on this forum. It's annoying enough paying import duty on stuff from the rest of the world, can you imagine it from Europe too!? Whether it works for big business to be in or out isn't really the point for me. It's whether I'll be worse off if we leave, and I believe we all will. the one sided part is from the leaflet, where they have had so much to spend to get it out there. And it wasn't the only pro leaflet i got. its referencing back to a point, not an outright statement in that context.
Nope I'm well out of being worried about the immigration, open borders is more my belief.
Unless Europe wants to sever all ties with us, all other things can easily be resolved. Its some kind of fear mongering that says we won't trade, we won't get tourism etc as we had that already. some rule changes as you say, but nothing major and the transition to us out of europe doesn't need to have any huge impact. If no one is going to ever talk to each other again afterwards then i guess we have problems. But thats really not going to happen is it. They will all sit down and go "ok, thats not what we expected, so lets figure out how we make this work"
I see fear of change being a driver to stay, but thats just missing the new opportunities it would create if we leave.
you don't see the problem with a one sided debate? or public money used to attempt to influence the people to vote the way the government wants them to? My issue with it is if they give people a choice, why do they then try to expose everyone to their narrow perspective on the issue? That seems a like an act of desperation as they may not get what they hoped for. I certainly don't see a one sided debate anywhere. If the government believe it is best to stay in, then that's just their side of the argument... but probably an important one to listen to, as they should know more than the average member of the public. Personally I think it will be best to stay in Europe. We get at least as much back as we pay in, probably more. Immigration issues won't change (if that's your problem with Europe), plus rules can be changed and still remain in Europe. (For example, in Italy you can't claim benefits unless you've worked for 2 years. So, why are we told our rules are set by Europe when other countries clearly have different rules?) The ability to travel and work freely in Europe is something I've personally benefited from (worked in Italy for 2 years). And from a personal, financial point of view I don't want to start paying VAT on all imports from Europe. Something I've not heard talked about, but hugely relevant to many on this forum. It's annoying enough paying import duty on stuff from the rest of the world, can you imagine it from Europe too!? Whether it works for big business to be in or out isn't really the point for me. It's whether I'll be worse off if we leave, and I believe we all will. the one sided part is from the leaflet, where they have had so much to spend to get it out there. And it wasn't the only pro leaflet i got. its referencing back to a point, not an outright statement in that context. Nope I'm well out of being worried about the immigration, open borders is more my belief. Unless Europe wants to sever all ties with us, all other things can easily be resolved. Its some kind of fear mongering that says we won't trade, we won't get tourism etc as we had that already. some rule changes as you say, but nothing major and the transition to us out of europe doesn't need to have any huge impact. If no one is going to ever talk to each other again afterwards then i guess we have problems. But thats really not going to happen is it. They will all sit down and go "ok, thats not what we expected, so lets figure out how we make this work" I see fear of change being a driver to stay, but thats just missing the new opportunities it would create if we leave.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Apr 20, 2016 11:32:59 GMT 1, ... I don't quote everytime I reply to someone, especially when I am posting directly after the post ... it just cloggs up the page with what someone has already read ... ... it just goes to show that you don't really have an interest in what you said, otherwise you would have kept an eye on the Thread ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) ... typical 'no vote' no interest / no substance telling me how i think now as well.
And i see you attack me for substance after dealing with what you said in the previous post, yet you provide no substance and think you can insult people into your way of thinking. Good stuff.
... I don't quote everytime I reply to someone, especially when I am posting directly after the post ... it just cloggs up the page with what someone has already read ... ... it just goes to show that you don't really have an interest in what you said, otherwise you would have kept an eye on the Thread ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) ... typical 'no vote' no interest / no substance telling me how i think now as well. And i see you attack me for substance after dealing with what you said in the previous post, yet you provide no substance and think you can insult people into your way of thinking. Good stuff.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Apr 20, 2016 10:41:54 GMT 1, โโโโ you see ... drivel โโโโ Lol that was bold of you not to quote me in your comment! But i guess thats the stay campaign and their love of a one sided debate showing itself.
Also worth mentioning, your comprehensive and compelling argument hasn't really done much to change my mind, but i guess thats the "tagline" mentality without much to back it up.
And by the way, yes of course thats drivel!!! Its 3 things the stay campaign are using to fear monger people into voting stay!!!
โโโโ you see ... drivel โโโโ Lol that was bold of you not to quote me in your comment! But i guess thats the stay campaign and their love of a one sided debate showing itself. Also worth mentioning, your comprehensive and compelling argument hasn't really done much to change my mind, but i guess thats the "tagline" mentality without much to back it up. And by the way, yes of course thats drivel!!! Its 3 things the stay campaign are using to fear monger people into voting stay!!!
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Stik, by tartarus on Apr 19, 2016 21:03:22 GMT 1, i would agree with that. The auction result isn't a good guide, neither are the 2 sitting for sale at 5k, or they would be sold already. That said, you say in the next couple of months, so by then it may well be a little light! Theres a surge to buy judging by the results, and theres a surge to sell judging by the news Phillips are restricting auctions. as there aren't that many out there anyway, the future auctions should be really interesting. and yes, I'm a bit biased, but I'm also a bit of a hoarder so not selling anytime soon (i hope!) this helps maybe: www.julienslive.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/176/lot/75312the current bid is $3750 + premium. but i dont know the stik market/ popularity in us... I hope they pay more attention to their condition reports!
SLEEPING BABY BLUE ( NHS BLUE ), 2005
pretty sure it will beat their estimate. There will be a few coming up soon by the sounds of it.
i would agree with that. The auction result isn't a good guide, neither are the 2 sitting for sale at 5k, or they would be sold already. That said, you say in the next couple of months, so by then it may well be a little light! Theres a surge to buy judging by the results, and theres a surge to sell judging by the news Phillips are restricting auctions. as there aren't that many out there anyway, the future auctions should be really interesting. and yes, I'm a bit biased, but I'm also a bit of a hoarder so not selling anytime soon (i hope!) this helps maybe: www.julienslive.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/176/lot/75312the current bid is $3750 + premium. but i dont know the stik market/ popularity in us... I hope they pay more attention to their condition reports! SLEEPING BABY BLUE ( NHS BLUE ), 2005 pretty sure it will beat their estimate. There will be a few coming up soon by the sounds of it.
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Stik, by tartarus on Apr 19, 2016 20:54:58 GMT 1, It does seem a bit stretched. i would agree with that. The auction result isn't a good guide, neither are the 2 sitting for sale at 5k, or they would be sold already. That said, you say in the next couple of months, so by then it may well be a little light! Theres a surge to buy judging by the results, and theres a surge to sell judging by the news Phillips are restricting auctions. as there aren't that many out there anyway, the future auctions should be really interesting.
and yes, I'm a bit biased, but I'm also a bit of a hoarder so not selling anytime soon (i hope!)
It does seem a bit stretched. i would agree with that. The auction result isn't a good guide, neither are the 2 sitting for sale at 5k, or they would be sold already. That said, you say in the next couple of months, so by then it may well be a little light! Theres a surge to buy judging by the results, and theres a surge to sell judging by the news Phillips are restricting auctions. as there aren't that many out there anyway, the future auctions should be really interesting. and yes, I'm a bit biased, but I'm also a bit of a hoarder so not selling anytime soon (i hope!)
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FS Penny, Sickboy, Candice Tripp, Adam Mclevey canvasses. , by tartarus on Apr 17, 2016 21:45:29 GMT 1, Penny
Mind Wanders
edition of 15
![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/06722bc8-e310-4fc6-ad9d-9cae568f2ecb_zps78jlxiqa.jpg) framed by MFM to conservation grade.
offers over ยฃ600
Sickboy
temple edition of 5.
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Broke, edition of 3 hand finished prints.
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Denial
Edition of 50. Offers as i don't know what they go for! last one on here went so quick i missed the price.
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Candice Tripp
Rebecca of the tribe
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Offers over ยฃ700
Adam Mclevey
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Offers over ยฃ100
Size is 400 x 300mm
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Offers over ยฃ100
size is 380 x 200mm
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offers over ยฃ60
size is 300 x 240mm
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Drugs party.
offers over ยฃ100
size is 400 x 300mm
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offers over ยฃ60
size is 300 x 225mm
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offers over ยฃ100
size is 300 x 225mm
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offers over ยฃ30 on each one
125 x 175mm
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Offers over ยฃ70
size is 200 x 255
Penny Mind Wanders edition of 15 framed by MFM to conservation grade. offers over ยฃ600 Sickboy temple edition of 5. ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/051E1B0E-933B-421D-BCBB-319C7657D6EA_zpswnxyctif.jpg) Broke, edition of 3 hand finished prints. ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/55b79fa9-f2b9-479c-ad4b-bfd3a53a727c_zps3j29ywkg.jpg) Denial Edition of 50. Offers as i don't know what they go for! last one on here went so quick i missed the price. ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/0b87ca90.jpg) ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/df7a2838.jpg) Candice Tripp Rebecca of the tribe ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/3E036396-A909-4D68-BA18-3E439071D0A3_zpsex2zhfpa.jpg) Offers over ยฃ700 Adam Mclevey ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/B2AAD5FB-84A5-4344-B4FA-801CE647785A_zpswt4chlzz.jpg) Offers over ยฃ100 Size is 400 x 300mm ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/C2F5C2EA-07FF-483A-B252-BBF4EF46DDC7_zpsersm8lgx.jpg) Offers over ยฃ100 size is 380 x 200mm ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/9FD251E5-8535-4E3C-852B-1D1D7A634AA0_zpssn4oa5s8.jpg) offers over ยฃ60 size is 300 x 240mm ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/B0C99CA5-E345-4EC5-B8AF-1D52F027BF22_zps5ro1s5fj.jpg) Drugs party. offers over ยฃ100 size is 400 x 300mm ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/2A936CFA-A267-4FDD-85B2-2E2050A15E42_zpsdrbmszdb.jpg) offers over ยฃ60 size is 300 x 225mm ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/FCD4A52D-BF09-4C2F-A46A-36E528CE2467_zpsnm1jb3nh.jpg) offers over ยฃ100 size is 300 x 225mm ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/F9BEB372-A640-46B5-8895-1BC3E7B62A46_zps7wx7go0i.jpg) offers over ยฃ30 on each one 125 x 175mm ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/dd50c115-b6e6-4a9d-a98a-9208db18d224_zpscs8zt2qr.jpg) Offers over ยฃ70 size is 200 x 255
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Stik... On a Budget, by tartarus on Apr 16, 2016 21:58:56 GMT 1, We got the Ikea frames too. I couldn't see any point in paying a fortune for 4 expensive frames for 4 cheap posters. They look great and like others have said, they get a lot of positive comments. I find this quite interesting aa. So, is it better to pay a fortune to frame an expensive work rather than place it in an adequate, cheaper frame? Its easy to get carried away when framing an expensive piece of art. As long as the frame suits and the right conservation materials are used (if at all necessary, perhaps just pay for conservation mounting board) does it matter how much it costs? I'm not being argumentative, I'm just exploring the relationship between percieved value of the works and the frame used. These ยฃ8 frames are great and would equally work with a more expensive piece, no? depends if you like unexpected borders on all your expensive artworks really (assuming you use a mount), or just faded pieces if you don't.
We got the Ikea frames too. I couldn't see any point in paying a fortune for 4 expensive frames for 4 cheap posters. They look great and like others have said, they get a lot of positive comments. I find this quite interesting aa. So, is it better to pay a fortune to frame an expensive work rather than place it in an adequate, cheaper frame? Its easy to get carried away when framing an expensive piece of art. As long as the frame suits and the right conservation materials are used (if at all necessary, perhaps just pay for conservation mounting board) does it matter how much it costs? I'm not being argumentative, I'm just exploring the relationship between percieved value of the works and the frame used. These ยฃ8 frames are great and would equally work with a more expensive piece, no? depends if you like unexpected borders on all your expensive artworks really (assuming you use a mount), or just faded pieces if you don't.
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D*Face Misprints & Misfits Solo Show, by tartarus on Apr 14, 2016 23:56:34 GMT 1, How much was the enjoy a riot on wood? Wanted one of those for bloody years! I don't think it was on wood - natural brown card stock...unless I'm mistaken... ah. thats a shame. But thanks for the info. and the pics!
How much was the enjoy a riot on wood? Wanted one of those for bloody years! I don't think it was on wood - natural brown card stock...unless I'm mistaken... ah. thats a shame. But thanks for the info. and the pics!
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D*Face Misprints & Misfits Solo Show, by tartarus on Apr 14, 2016 23:23:48 GMT 1, How much was the enjoy a riot on wood? Wanted one of those for bloody years!
How much was the enjoy a riot on wood? Wanted one of those for bloody years!
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Stik Artwork, VALUATION, by tartarus on Apr 14, 2016 19:18:42 GMT 1, I am wound up today. I feel like someone pissed in my Cheerios this morning. There are tons of great people on here, but selling art for a tidy profit that you received for free or selling art for a huge profit that you originally bought to support a specific charity and not give a portion of the profits to that cause just seems a bit pathetic to me and I didn't want to bit my tongue any longer. People have sent me PM's asking me to name names but that is a bit much. I sent a few PM's letting these forum members know how I felt before I went on with my public rant. One guy had the audacity to send me a PM to know if I wanted to buy back a piece of art I gave him for free because that artists art is now worth a lot of money - I mean WTF dude !!!!!! that last bit is pretty dam harsh! this place has a good amount of people like that, but then so does the real world! don't feel bad for getting stung, feel good for being nice. There are enough c**t out there already, don't let them pull you into their world.
I would add this though,
Given away, its theirs buddy, to do with as they wish.
on loan, its yours you decide what happens.
I am wound up today. I feel like someone pissed in my Cheerios this morning. There are tons of great people on here, but selling art for a tidy profit that you received for free or selling art for a huge profit that you originally bought to support a specific charity and not give a portion of the profits to that cause just seems a bit pathetic to me and I didn't want to bit my tongue any longer. People have sent me PM's asking me to name names but that is a bit much. I sent a few PM's letting these forum members know how I felt before I went on with my public rant. One guy had the audacity to send me a PM to know if I wanted to buy back a piece of art I gave him for free because that artists art is now worth a lot of money - I mean WTF dude !!!!!! that last bit is pretty dam harsh! this place has a good amount of people like that, but then so does the real world! don't feel bad for getting stung, feel good for being nice. There are enough c**t out there already, don't let them pull you into their world. I would add this though, Given away, its theirs buddy, to do with as they wish. on loan, its yours you decide what happens.
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Share the STIK love!, by tartarus on Apr 14, 2016 19:06:04 GMT 1, Someone's going to get burnt in the further down the line . Lend them your time machine and let them come back to 2016 and sell it then eh.
Someone's going to get burnt in the further down the line . Lend them your time machine and let them come back to 2016 and sell it then eh.
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Stik Artwork, VALUATION, by tartarus on Apr 14, 2016 11:56:40 GMT 1, 2 years ago signed sets were ยฃ200-ยฃ250 Unsigned single cards were ยฃ30-ยฃ35 Trading prices on eBay and there were quite a few None have come up for sale since , Not accurate my friend - I sold a signed set on ebay recently for ยฃ200. theres been loads on there! they seem to hover around the 200, sometimes as Roy said they go for 35 each signed.
2 years ago signed sets were ยฃ200-ยฃ250 Unsigned single cards were ยฃ30-ยฃ35 Trading prices on eBay and there were quite a few None have come up for sale since , Not accurate my friend - I sold a signed set on ebay recently for ยฃ200. theres been loads on there! they seem to hover around the 200, sometimes as Roy said they go for 35 each signed.
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Share the STIK love!, by tartarus on Apr 14, 2016 11:36:13 GMT 1, As soon as he gets the "crazy its not for sale price" Comments like that are why no one wants to share things anymore. yeah, thats what it is.
As soon as he gets the "crazy its not for sale price" Comments like that are why no one wants to share things anymore. yeah, thats what it is.
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Share the STIK love!, by tartarus on Apr 14, 2016 11:00:16 GMT 1, Any excuse... (Not for sale) ![](http://preview.ibb.co/h2Sk8v/image.jpg) Nice frame job ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) . When are you planning to sell these "mint condition, stored flat, never framed" prints? As soon as he gets the "crazy its not for sale price"
Any excuse... (Not for sale) ![](http://preview.ibb.co/h2Sk8v/image.jpg) Nice frame job ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) . When are you planning to sell these "mint condition, stored flat, never framed" prints? As soon as he gets the "crazy its not for sale price"
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Share the STIK love!, by tartarus on Apr 13, 2016 23:18:33 GMT 1, thats bloody strange, my OG baby still didn't even wake up! Lazy bastard. That's out of order. Why have u got an OG and I haven't..... Trade? lol 2011 was a very different place! or to put it another way, total and complete fluke! i looked at them for a few months and then just broke and grabbed 3. a win for the buy what you like theory.
thats bloody strange, my OG baby still didn't even wake up! Lazy bastard. That's out of order. Why have u got an OG and I haven't..... Trade? lol 2011 was a very different place! or to put it another way, total and complete fluke! i looked at them for a few months and then just broke and grabbed 3. a win for the buy what you like theory.
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Share the STIK love!, by tartarus on Apr 13, 2016 22:52:19 GMT 1, My little silver baby had a little party on my living room wall today! thats bloody strange, my OG baby still didn't even wake up! Lazy bastard.
My little silver baby had a little party on my living room wall today! thats bloody strange, my OG baby still didn't even wake up! Lazy bastard.
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Share the STIK love!, by tartarus on Apr 13, 2016 22:51:30 GMT 1, so what did this print go for? 5.5 k stated above, 6.8k on their site and some strange calculation for buyers total of 7.3k on the 5.5k hammer. Whats going on people?
so what did this print go for? 5.5 k stated above, 6.8k on their site and some strange calculation for buyers total of 7.3k on the 5.5k hammer. Whats going on people?
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Share the STIK love!, by tartarus on Apr 13, 2016 22:26:28 GMT 1, The book print on ebay has been sold by the looks of it. Seems they are being scooped up pretty fast today. Something tells me they will stay with the new owners for a while or appear again at way high prices. Considering the limited number of his pieces it will be interesting to see how the ones that have gone to their future auctions do. I want to see an OG in there and see what that would bring these days! this three OG where available on the secondary market (some months ago), maybe you'll see one next time in an auction...: Boundaries: ![](http://i.imgur.com/WXIkaWo.jpg?1) Pet: ![](http://i.imgur.com/jGpR5yu.jpg) The little prince: ![](http://i.imgur.com/ZYg05ii.jpg?1) Nice pieces. The one with the dog was at the Imitate show. The one with the snake or worm i like a lot. pretty sure there must be some originals submitted, theres not many of them, but I'm sure a few have been tempted out.
The book print on ebay has been sold by the looks of it. Seems they are being scooped up pretty fast today. Something tells me they will stay with the new owners for a while or appear again at way high prices. Considering the limited number of his pieces it will be interesting to see how the ones that have gone to their future auctions do. I want to see an OG in there and see what that would bring these days! this three OG where available on the secondary market (some months ago), maybe you'll see one next time in an auction...: Boundaries: ![](http://i.imgur.com/WXIkaWo.jpg?1) Pet: ![](http://i.imgur.com/jGpR5yu.jpg) The little prince: ![](http://i.imgur.com/ZYg05ii.jpg?1) Nice pieces. The one with the dog was at the Imitate show. The one with the snake or worm i like a lot. pretty sure there must be some originals submitted, theres not many of them, but I'm sure a few have been tempted out.
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Share the STIK love!, by tartarus on Apr 13, 2016 21:49:46 GMT 1, The book print on ebay has been sold by the looks of it. Seems they are being scooped up pretty fast today. Something tells me they will stay with the new owners for a while or appear again at way high prices. Considering the limited number of his pieces it will be interesting to see how the ones that have gone to their future auctions do. I want to see an OG in there and see what that would bring these days!
The book print on ebay has been sold by the looks of it. Seems they are being scooped up pretty fast today. Something tells me they will stay with the new owners for a while or appear again at way high prices. Considering the limited number of his pieces it will be interesting to see how the ones that have gone to their future auctions do. I want to see an OG in there and see what that would bring these days!
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Apr 13, 2016 13:39:25 GMT 1, ... the govt of whatever persuassion has posted a booklet to each household at each of the referendums that we have had ... ... just a case of the Brexit people whinging & crying - as they have no facts of how it would be better to leave, and therefore would not be able to fill ... even a leaflet ... ... 'we should not be ruled from abroad' is all they can SHOUT. ... what have the Romans ever done for us? ... and have a look at the assize system and where that came from ha ha, as opposed to
Immigrants will take over the whole country
Tourists will never ever come here again
and no one in europe will ever trade with us again.
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... the govt of whatever persuassion has posted a booklet to each household at each of the referendums that we have had ... ... just a case of the Brexit people whinging & crying - as they have no facts of how it would be better to leave, and therefore would not be able to fill ... even a leaflet ... ... 'we should not be ruled from abroad' is all they can SHOUT. ... what have the Romans ever done for us? ... and have a look at the assize system and where that came from ha ha, as opposed to Immigrants will take over the whole country Tourists will never ever come here again and no one in europe will ever trade with us again. ;-)
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Apr 13, 2016 13:36:36 GMT 1, you don't see the problem with a one sided debate? or public money used to attempt to influence the people to vote the way the government wants them to?
My issue with it is if they give people a choice, why do they then try to expose everyone to their narrow perspective on the issue? That seems a like an act of desperation as they may not get what they hoped for.
you don't see the problem with a one sided debate? or public money used to attempt to influence the people to vote the way the government wants them to?
My issue with it is if they give people a choice, why do they then try to expose everyone to their narrow perspective on the issue? That seems a like an act of desperation as they may not get what they hoped for.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Apr 13, 2016 13:07:34 GMT 1, Oh jesus!!!! i just remembered i have a few cut up stamps from Five. May have to add one of those for fun.
Oh jesus!!!! i just remembered i have a few cut up stamps from Five. May have to add one of those for fun.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Apr 13, 2016 13:05:20 GMT 1, Mines readied to go back.
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Mines readied to go back. ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/80CC8DD7-E6AD-43A3-BD06-D8195EE76333_zps3j0rhz1v.jpg)
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Visit LONDON ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ Street Art, Galleries, Events, by tartarus on Apr 12, 2016 23:06:20 GMT 1, ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/1BF7A2A2-08C8-49B5-A790-6FA741402ACD_zpsolqjbqof.jpg)
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Julian's Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by tartarus on Apr 11, 2016 22:53:18 GMT 1, i think that Happy Choppers is the one the dealer bought on 4 rooms for 50k.
i think that Happy Choppers is the one the dealer bought on 4 rooms for 50k.
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Breaking news - Panama papers, by tartarus on Apr 9, 2016 20:06:08 GMT 1, 50k in style advise?! That's messed up It's easy to find negatives in everything but at the end of the day we have to base our decisions on something. All governments will use states to help their cause, labour as much as anyone. The independent numbers add up and so it makes sense. Of course that has come at a cost, we will probably not have a pension by the time we retire. But all these things you mention have a cost and if we can't afford the cut back services we currently get then how would all this extra get paid for?
Lil bit messed up huh, just part of milking the shit out of it.
stopping the money that haemorrhages out of our economy for one thing. The likes of google and their stunts, the tax haven stuff, Maybe not sell off the bank shares we had at a massive loss and to the old boy network in the city. Maybe not sell public assets cheap (post office) for short term gain, only to then realise the money is gone and you have nothing to show for it and have lost a future income. Lots of stuff he could have fixed, or not done. Maybe allow the cap on banker bonuses, maybe allow the investigation into the banks to proceed to prevent the same happening again instead of having both of them binned. If he was my accountant id jog him on pretty fast.
50k in style advise?! That's messed up It's easy to find negatives in everything but at the end of the day we have to base our decisions on something. All governments will use states to help their cause, labour as much as anyone. The independent numbers add up and so it makes sense. Of course that has come at a cost, we will probably not have a pension by the time we retire. But all these things you mention have a cost and if we can't afford the cut back services we currently get then how would all this extra get paid for? Lil bit messed up huh, just part of milking the shit out of it. stopping the money that haemorrhages out of our economy for one thing. The likes of google and their stunts, the tax haven stuff, Maybe not sell off the bank shares we had at a massive loss and to the old boy network in the city. Maybe not sell public assets cheap (post office) for short term gain, only to then realise the money is gone and you have nothing to show for it and have lost a future income. Lots of stuff he could have fixed, or not done. Maybe allow the cap on banker bonuses, maybe allow the investigation into the banks to proceed to prevent the same happening again instead of having both of them binned. If he was my accountant id jog him on pretty fast.
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Breaking news - Panama papers, by tartarus on Apr 9, 2016 19:49:50 GMT 1, ok, fair play for doing that. can't say i agree, but that is the basis for your opinion. But point one doesn't consider the mass removal of people from the statistics. IE zero hours contracts and the ton of people the job centres have made self employed who make nothing but can still claim in work benefits. so is a bit of look good politics rather than feel good politics. growth in Europe, have to say, i have no idea if thats true or not. i think some people are seeing wages rise, but would suspect they aren't the majority and include the CEO's who give themselves massive rises and MP's who somehow still manage to be awarded 10% pay rises. While dishing out 1% to public sector staff as "austerity bites". pretty sure i read or saw that the borrowing was predicted to be less, but since the 20 billion or whatever it was he "found" in the budget the other year was in fact non existent, he will have borrowed more rather by the time he has covered the fact that he decided to spunk the lot at once. . The NHS is deliberately underfunded so they can justify selling it off, and education, they are currently trying to give away. One thing they have been quite successful with is baffling people with intricate ways to use stats to provide the picture they require. but then hey, lies, damned lies and statistics. They come from the office for national statistics and independent offices. Considering the living wage has just come in that's a relatively big jump for the minimum wage staff. The PM gets paid 150k a year. Considering the responsibility I think that's incredible value for money. I certainly wouldn't do his job for that. When we look at the facts that our economy has grown the fastest in Europe and yet we still can't afford the services we currently get after all these cuts you have to ask where on earth is this money going to come from to pay for higher wages, nhs services, education because we simply can't afford it. That's what my opinion lays on. that stat about unemployment is probably correct, but its been manipulated not to show a mass of people. those people are not necessarily in paid employment, they just no longer qualify as part of the unemployment statistics. if they are included the figure is considerably higher.
Minimum wage increase saves the government money, so yes its good for the people concerned, but its only happened so they don't have to pay so much in work benefits, a good thing in itself, but it wasn't done for the people. Again, i see it as look good politics.
the PM is PAID 150k, but his entire life is also paid for by us. His expenses claim may well be ten times that if not more. we just paid for his wife to get 50k in style advice apparently.
ok, fair play for doing that. can't say i agree, but that is the basis for your opinion. But point one doesn't consider the mass removal of people from the statistics. IE zero hours contracts and the ton of people the job centres have made self employed who make nothing but can still claim in work benefits. so is a bit of look good politics rather than feel good politics. growth in Europe, have to say, i have no idea if thats true or not. i think some people are seeing wages rise, but would suspect they aren't the majority and include the CEO's who give themselves massive rises and MP's who somehow still manage to be awarded 10% pay rises. While dishing out 1% to public sector staff as "austerity bites". pretty sure i read or saw that the borrowing was predicted to be less, but since the 20 billion or whatever it was he "found" in the budget the other year was in fact non existent, he will have borrowed more rather by the time he has covered the fact that he decided to spunk the lot at once. . The NHS is deliberately underfunded so they can justify selling it off, and education, they are currently trying to give away. One thing they have been quite successful with is baffling people with intricate ways to use stats to provide the picture they require. but then hey, lies, damned lies and statistics. They come from the office for national statistics and independent offices. Considering the living wage has just come in that's a relatively big jump for the minimum wage staff. The PM gets paid 150k a year. Considering the responsibility I think that's incredible value for money. I certainly wouldn't do his job for that. When we look at the facts that our economy has grown the fastest in Europe and yet we still can't afford the services we currently get after all these cuts you have to ask where on earth is this money going to come from to pay for higher wages, nhs services, education because we simply can't afford it. That's what my opinion lays on. that stat about unemployment is probably correct, but its been manipulated not to show a mass of people. those people are not necessarily in paid employment, they just no longer qualify as part of the unemployment statistics. if they are included the figure is considerably higher. Minimum wage increase saves the government money, so yes its good for the people concerned, but its only happened so they don't have to pay so much in work benefits, a good thing in itself, but it wasn't done for the people. Again, i see it as look good politics. the PM is PAID 150k, but his entire life is also paid for by us. His expenses claim may well be ten times that if not more. we just paid for his wife to get 50k in style advice apparently.
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Breaking news - Panama papers, by tartarus on Apr 9, 2016 19:10:11 GMT 1, The reason I feel the government has done a good job of the economy is because - - the jobless rate stands at 5.1% in December, the lowest in 10 years - uk has the greatest growth in Europe since 2008 - wages are rising dramatically - yes we are still borrowing but the rate is reducing, the budget deficit is reducing year on year. My opinion is that with a strong economy comes everything else. It shows that we currently still can't afford the services we have and so improving the economy is what I feel is the top priority to ensure we have a long term future for the NHS, education... ok, fair play for doing that. can't say i agree, but that is the basis for your opinion.
But point one doesn't consider the mass removal of people from the statistics. IE zero hours contracts and the ton of people the job centres have made self employed who make nothing but can still claim in work benefits. so is a bit of look good politics rather than feel good politics.
growth in Europe, have to say, i have no idea if thats true or not.
i think some people are seeing wages rise, but would suspect they aren't the majority and include the CEO's who give themselves massive rises and MP's who somehow still manage to be awarded 10% pay rises. While dishing out 1% to public sector staff as "austerity bites".
pretty sure i read or saw that the borrowing was predicted to be less, but since the 20 billion or whatever it was he "found" in the budget the other year was in fact non existent, he will have borrowed more rather by the time he has covered the fact that he decided to spunk the lot at once. .
The NHS is deliberately underfunded so they can justify selling it off, and education, they are currently trying to give away.
One thing they have been quite successful with is baffling people with intricate ways to use stats to provide the picture they require. but then hey, lies, damned lies and statistics.
The reason I feel the government has done a good job of the economy is because - - the jobless rate stands at 5.1% in December, the lowest in 10 years - uk has the greatest growth in Europe since 2008 - wages are rising dramatically - yes we are still borrowing but the rate is reducing, the budget deficit is reducing year on year. My opinion is that with a strong economy comes everything else. It shows that we currently still can't afford the services we have and so improving the economy is what I feel is the top priority to ensure we have a long term future for the NHS, education... ok, fair play for doing that. can't say i agree, but that is the basis for your opinion. But point one doesn't consider the mass removal of people from the statistics. IE zero hours contracts and the ton of people the job centres have made self employed who make nothing but can still claim in work benefits. so is a bit of look good politics rather than feel good politics. growth in Europe, have to say, i have no idea if thats true or not. i think some people are seeing wages rise, but would suspect they aren't the majority and include the CEO's who give themselves massive rises and MP's who somehow still manage to be awarded 10% pay rises. While dishing out 1% to public sector staff as "austerity bites". pretty sure i read or saw that the borrowing was predicted to be less, but since the 20 billion or whatever it was he "found" in the budget the other year was in fact non existent, he will have borrowed more rather by the time he has covered the fact that he decided to spunk the lot at once. . The NHS is deliberately underfunded so they can justify selling it off, and education, they are currently trying to give away. One thing they have been quite successful with is baffling people with intricate ways to use stats to provide the picture they require. but then hey, lies, damned lies and statistics.
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Breaking news - Panama papers, by tartarus on Apr 9, 2016 18:05:58 GMT 1, The only opinion I offered was that I felt the government had made a good job of sorting out the economy. I have not at any point said I am right or you are wrong and I've no interest in explaining why I feel my opinion is my opinion for you to nit pick and correct me. End of. Well, if you arent going to provide any reasoning then i guess you really had nothing more than something to say. its not nit picking to challenge your opinion when i didn't see how you could have come to the conclusion that this government has done a good job of running the economy. I listed a few reasons why i feel they havnt. you have given none for your defence of their economic achievements.
The only opinion I offered was that I felt the government had made a good job of sorting out the economy. I have not at any point said I am right or you are wrong and I've no interest in explaining why I feel my opinion is my opinion for you to nit pick and correct me. End of. Well, if you arent going to provide any reasoning then i guess you really had nothing more than something to say. its not nit picking to challenge your opinion when i didn't see how you could have come to the conclusion that this government has done a good job of running the economy. I listed a few reasons why i feel they havnt. you have given none for your defence of their economic achievements.
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Breaking news - Panama papers, by tartarus on Apr 9, 2016 16:41:58 GMT 1, ok, please do provide the headline positives. Im very interested to hear them. Its not enough to say you won't debate it, we already are. You just don't seem to want to back your case. No your not, your not interested in what I'm saying or willing to hear a different point of view, merely waiting to tell me I'm wrong. I'm at the studio at the moment and dont have time or the interest to research each topic to put an alternative point of view in front of you so you can shoot it down. Thats not a debate. Your pinning a label on me for one opinion on one subject. Ive absolutely no interest in discussing it further with you sorry. I'm asking you to back your point. end of. so far you have failed to do so once. you've just stated that your correct and I'm a bully or something. Thats as lame as scameron's "people were being nasty about my dad" crap. He knew he was being economical with the truth at best. Desperate attempt at covering his arse by trying to play the victim.
ok, please do provide the headline positives. Im very interested to hear them. Its not enough to say you won't debate it, we already are. You just don't seem to want to back your case. No your not, your not interested in what I'm saying or willing to hear a different point of view, merely waiting to tell me I'm wrong. I'm at the studio at the moment and dont have time or the interest to research each topic to put an alternative point of view in front of you so you can shoot it down. Thats not a debate. Your pinning a label on me for one opinion on one subject. Ive absolutely no interest in discussing it further with you sorry. I'm asking you to back your point. end of. so far you have failed to do so once. you've just stated that your correct and I'm a bully or something. Thats as lame as scameron's "people were being nasty about my dad" crap. He knew he was being economical with the truth at best. Desperate attempt at covering his arse by trying to play the victim.
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