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Commission , by tartarus on May 16, 2016 19:44:28 GMT 1, yes.
yes.
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FS Penny, Sickboy, Candice Tripp, DENIAL, Adam Mclevey , by tartarus on May 15, 2016 17:53:12 GMT 1, Prices reduced so get in some offers.
Those McLevey canvasses have had more interest than anything else! and still not sold!
Prices reduced so get in some offers.
Those McLevey canvasses have had more interest than anything else! and still not sold!
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by tartarus on May 15, 2016 14:38:26 GMT 1, Hi guys, Please let me know if you can help, Id really like a Silver Stik baby..Id consider all however...beggars and all that. I was told to offer ยฃ2600 but I think id pay ยฃ2800 for a great condition silver with full COA. Looking forward to hearing from someone soon....very soon hopefully Fingers crossed J What's the difference between a full COA and a COA A KFC bargain bucket.
Hi guys, Please let me know if you can help, Id really like a Silver Stik baby..Id consider all however...beggars and all that. I was told to offer ยฃ2600 but I think id pay ยฃ2800 for a great condition silver with full COA. Looking forward to hearing from someone soon....very soon hopefully Fingers crossed J What's the difference between a full COA and a COA A KFC bargain bucket.
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Pure Evil New Logo for the Hackney Looting Team, by tartarus on May 14, 2016 20:04:16 GMT 1, I don't own it, but I think you are pretty close with your pricing. Maybe slightly high for private sale. Welcome to the forum, get a thick skin and take things here with a pinch of salt. Good luck with your sale. for sure! sorry Mr OP. I was way off thanks to not realising it got a makeover!!
I don't own it, but I think you are pretty close with your pricing. Maybe slightly high for private sale. Welcome to the forum, get a thick skin and take things here with a pinch of salt. Good luck with your sale. for sure! sorry Mr OP. I was way off thanks to not realising it got a makeover!!
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Pure Evil New Logo for the Hackney Looting Team, by tartarus on May 14, 2016 20:00:30 GMT 1, balls, your right. Pretty dam close though.
on both of them too! jeez. i didn't even notice he sneaked in the new version!
balls, your right. Pretty dam close though. on both of them too! jeez. i didn't even notice he sneaked in the new version!
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Pure Evil New Logo for the Hackney Looting Team, by tartarus on May 14, 2016 19:39:04 GMT 1, 4 k ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ? That has to be an accidental zero right?
4 k ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ? That has to be an accidental zero right?
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The f5 war, by tartarus on May 14, 2016 17:12:54 GMT 1, The internet is amazing ain't it, so fast these days. Good luck next time, maybe go for a print that hasn't had the s**t hyped out of it, look at other artists that are still readily available and sometimes for less monies Yeah it is just that I'm really into sustainability, And that one had a really strong message Give it a couple of months and see what happens. Most of the time the madness dies down and you'll get a reasonably priced one. Doesn't always pan out that way, but does a lot of the time.
The internet is amazing ain't it, so fast these days. Good luck next time, maybe go for a print that hasn't had the s**t hyped out of it, look at other artists that are still readily available and sometimes for less monies Yeah it is just that I'm really into sustainability, And that one had a really strong message Give it a couple of months and see what happens. Most of the time the madness dies down and you'll get a reasonably priced one. Doesn't always pan out that way, but does a lot of the time.
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The f5 war, by tartarus on May 14, 2016 16:51:20 GMT 1, 50 seconds! wow, you were only 49.85 seconds too slow!
Its just practice mate.
50 seconds! wow, you were only 49.85 seconds too slow!
Its just practice mate.
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Share the STIK love!, by tartarus on May 13, 2016 14:01:12 GMT 1, Not sure Roy. Maybe they are handing them out at the demonstrations. I think they are more about a message than the art, so probably don't belong in art collections. Even so someone will be framing and / or flipping them sometime soon....he is the new banksy.... Nah, Banksy is the OLD Stik.
And yep your right, someone is already planning it, bound to be.
Not sure Roy. Maybe they are handing them out at the demonstrations. I think they are more about a message than the art, so probably don't belong in art collections. Even so someone will be framing and / or flipping them sometime soon....he is the new banksy.... Nah, Banksy is the OLD Stik. And yep your right, someone is already planning it, bound to be.
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Re-issuing a Damaged print., by tartarus on May 13, 2016 13:24:50 GMT 1, I'm probably wrong but I thought I had read somewhere that you usually have to destroy the original print and show evidence as such or return the damaged print so that it can be taken out of circulation (vague memories of this happening with Eelus ATR prints). I guess it would only really become an issue if the print is worth a lot of cash now or in the future. Doing this hurt my soul: ![](http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz137/ottomatik71/1c94b724.jpg) But It had to happen. i can see how that would not feel good!
I'm probably wrong but I thought I had read somewhere that you usually have to destroy the original print and show evidence as such or return the damaged print so that it can be taken out of circulation (vague memories of this happening with Eelus ATR prints). I guess it would only really become an issue if the print is worth a lot of cash now or in the future. Doing this hurt my soul: ![](http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz137/ottomatik71/1c94b724.jpg) But It had to happen. i can see how that would not feel good!
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Share the STIK love!, by tartarus on May 13, 2016 13:21:20 GMT 1, Flyers from the Junior Doctors campaign. ![](https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13226922_1548195098810654_3954098433176767233_n.jpg?oh=d3a669a4fceae4e764c6830628d550d6&oe=57AD6E33) And the AP's will be up for auction soon. Should be interesting to see what they raise for the charity! STIK 'Sleeping Baby' NHS | Christie's Prints and Multiples Auction | 19th May 2016 A full set of STIK's 'Sleeping Baby' print, artist's proofs in all four colour-ways to be auctioned at Christie's. Donated by the artist in aid of the Homerton University Hospital NHS Foundation Trust Art Charitable Fund. Stik's 'Sleeping Baby' print edition, which was released at London's Homerton Hospital in 2015 sold out instantly raising ยฃ50,000 for the NHS. The image has since been adopted as the mascot of the hospital's junior doctors strike. This is a unique opportunity to own a piece of social history in the making whilst supporting our NHS. ![](http://static1.squarespace.com/static/571516f62fe131760ca564bf/t/5734b50c45bf21b9de972e76/1463072019440/?format=750w) hi R. , how to get one of these flyers so ?
Not sure Roy. Maybe they are handing them out at the demonstrations. I think they are more about a message than the art, so probably don't belong in art collections.
Flyers from the Junior Doctors campaign. ![](https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13226922_1548195098810654_3954098433176767233_n.jpg?oh=d3a669a4fceae4e764c6830628d550d6&oe=57AD6E33) And the AP's will be up for auction soon. Should be interesting to see what they raise for the charity! STIK 'Sleeping Baby' NHS | Christie's Prints and Multiples Auction | 19th May 2016 A full set of STIK's 'Sleeping Baby' print, artist's proofs in all four colour-ways to be auctioned at Christie's. Donated by the artist in aid of the Homerton University Hospital NHS Foundation Trust Art Charitable Fund. Stik's 'Sleeping Baby' print edition, which was released at London's Homerton Hospital in 2015 sold out instantly raising ยฃ50,000 for the NHS. The image has since been adopted as the mascot of the hospital's junior doctors strike. This is a unique opportunity to own a piece of social history in the making whilst supporting our NHS. ![](http://static1.squarespace.com/static/571516f62fe131760ca564bf/t/5734b50c45bf21b9de972e76/1463072019440/?format=750w) hi R. , how to get one of these flyers so ? Not sure Roy. Maybe they are handing them out at the demonstrations. I think they are more about a message than the art, so probably don't belong in art collections.
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Share the STIK love!, by tartarus on May 13, 2016 12:47:12 GMT 1, Flyers from the Junior Doctors campaign.
![](https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13226922_1548195098810654_3954098433176767233_n.jpg?oh=d3a669a4fceae4e764c6830628d550d6&oe=57AD6E33)
And the AP's will be up for auction soon. Should be interesting to see what they raise for the charity!
STIK 'Sleeping Baby' NHS | Christie's Prints and Multiples Auction | 19th May 2016
A full set of STIK's 'Sleeping Baby' print, artist's proofs in all four colour-ways to be auctioned at Christie's. Donated by the artist in aid of the Homerton University Hospital NHS Foundation Trust Art Charitable Fund. Stik's 'Sleeping Baby' print edition, which was released at London's Homerton Hospital in 2015 sold out instantly raising ยฃ50,000 for the NHS. The image has since been adopted as the mascot of the hospital's junior doctors strike. This is a unique opportunity to own a piece of social history in the making whilst supporting our NHS.
![](http://static1.squarespace.com/static/571516f62fe131760ca564bf/t/5734b50c45bf21b9de972e76/1463072019440/?format=750w)
Flyers from the Junior Doctors campaign. ![](https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13226922_1548195098810654_3954098433176767233_n.jpg?oh=d3a669a4fceae4e764c6830628d550d6&oe=57AD6E33) And the AP's will be up for auction soon. Should be interesting to see what they raise for the charity! STIK 'Sleeping Baby' NHS | Christie's Prints and Multiples Auction | 19th May 2016 A full set of STIK's 'Sleeping Baby' print, artist's proofs in all four colour-ways to be auctioned at Christie's. Donated by the artist in aid of the Homerton University Hospital NHS Foundation Trust Art Charitable Fund. Stik's 'Sleeping Baby' print edition, which was released at London's Homerton Hospital in 2015 sold out instantly raising ยฃ50,000 for the NHS. The image has since been adopted as the mascot of the hospital's junior doctors strike. This is a unique opportunity to own a piece of social history in the making whilst supporting our NHS. ![](http://static1.squarespace.com/static/571516f62fe131760ca564bf/t/5734b50c45bf21b9de972e76/1463072019440/?format=750w)
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**Warning** Possible Banksy scam, by tartarus on May 10, 2016 15:25:26 GMT 1, And they are back!! I think its better for everyone this way, and better for the forum too!
not quite so are about this 30 word thing though!!
two more!
And they are back!! I think its better for everyone this way, and better for the forum too!
not quite so are about this 30 word thing though!!
two more!
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**Warning** Possible Banksy scam, by tartarus on May 10, 2016 13:21:35 GMT 1, Fair play, i thought by saying it should be reported to the cops you were not going to get involved. Can we not change the FS threads back, then there is an added line of defence for us all! If any members spot anything shady! anything for sale that doesn't look right, anything by somebody who you have had bad dealings with, your all still free to comment under their sales with warnings and information, nobody is stopping you doing that. And just like this thread here, if it needs further discussion, then your free start a thread with that members account name in the title. yeah i accept that. But its still not as good as it was before you "improved" things. Bottom line, its better the way it was, and safer the way it was. Oh not to mention, more popular the way it was.
Fair play, i thought by saying it should be reported to the cops you were not going to get involved. Can we not change the FS threads back, then there is an added line of defence for us all! If any members spot anything shady! anything for sale that doesn't look right, anything by somebody who you have had bad dealings with, your all still free to comment under their sales with warnings and information, nobody is stopping you doing that. And just like this thread here, if it needs further discussion, then your free start a thread with that members account name in the title. yeah i accept that. But its still not as good as it was before you "improved" things. Bottom line, its better the way it was, and safer the way it was. Oh not to mention, more popular the way it was.
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**Warning** Possible Banksy scam, by tartarus on May 10, 2016 12:54:56 GMT 1, switch the sales threads back!! then we can be way MORE proactive about this stuff. Are you now also saying you will leave these people on here to do as they please even though they have been called to by well trusted members? Not to mention pretty conclusively too! We need as much protection on here as we can give each other Dan, not less and less of it! I had just posted asking for the name of the member being talked about, as I was looking at banning that account. But please remember that doesnt solve the problem! its still possible for these types of people to open new accounts and start again, and we cant do anything about that. Fair play, i thought by saying it should be reported to the cops you were not going to get involved.
Can we not change the FS threads back, then there is an added line of defence for us all!
switch the sales threads back!! then we can be way MORE proactive about this stuff. Are you now also saying you will leave these people on here to do as they please even though they have been called to by well trusted members? Not to mention pretty conclusively too! We need as much protection on here as we can give each other Dan, not less and less of it! I had just posted asking for the name of the member being talked about, as I was looking at banning that account. But please remember that doesnt solve the problem! its still possible for these types of people to open new accounts and start again, and we cant do anything about that. Fair play, i thought by saying it should be reported to the cops you were not going to get involved. Can we not change the FS threads back, then there is an added line of defence for us all!
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**Warning** Possible Banksy scam, by tartarus on May 10, 2016 12:39:52 GMT 1, There is a gap in the market to control the private sales of expensive art similar to solicitor or conveyancer when selling a house. Though you are all going to tell me this already exists. escrow?
There is a gap in the market to control the private sales of expensive art similar to solicitor or conveyancer when selling a house. Though you are all going to tell me this already exists. escrow?
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**Warning** Possible Banksy scam, by tartarus on May 10, 2016 12:39:05 GMT 1, Any proven illegal activity should be taken to the Police. An online forum is not able to solve this type of problem, but it can provide a place for the information to be shared and hopefully that can limit these issues in the future. Please remember that before knocking this site, that you are reading about this on here! if it was not posted on here, maybe none of us would know. switch the sales threads back!! then we can be way MORE proactive about this stuff.
Are you now also saying you will leave these people on here to do as they please even though they have been called out by well trusted members? Not to mention pretty conclusively too!
We need as much protection on here as we can give each other Dan, not less and less of it!
Any proven illegal activity should be taken to the Police. An online forum is not able to solve this type of problem, but it can provide a place for the information to be shared and hopefully that can limit these issues in the future. Please remember that before knocking this site, that you are reading about this on here! if it was not posted on here, maybe none of us would know. switch the sales threads back!! then we can be way MORE proactive about this stuff. Are you now also saying you will leave these people on here to do as they please even though they have been called out by well trusted members? Not to mention pretty conclusively too! We need as much protection on here as we can give each other Dan, not less and less of it!
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FS Penny, Sickboy, Candice Tripp, DENIAL, Adam Mclevey , by tartarus on May 7, 2016 16:27:47 GMT 1, Penny
Mind Wanders
edition of 15
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framed by MFM to conservation grade.
offers around ยฃ600
Sickboy
temple edition of 5. Offers around ยฃ200 (but will need to check how its framed if it sells)
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Broke, edition of 3 hand finished prints.
offers around ยฃ150
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Denial
Edition of 50. Offers as i don't know what they go for! last one on here went so quick i missed the price.
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Candice Tripp
Rebecca of the tribe
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Offers around ยฃ700
Adam Mclevey
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Offers around ยฃ100
Size is 400 x 300mm
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Offers around ยฃ100
size is 380 x 200mm
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offers around ยฃ60
size is 300 x 240mm
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Drugs party.
offers around ยฃ100
size is 400 x 300mm
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offers around ยฃ60
size is 300 x 225mm
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offers around ยฃ100
size is 300 x 225mm
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offers around ยฃ30 on each one
125 x 175mm
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Offers around ยฃ70
size is 200 x 255
Penny Mind Wanders edition of 15 ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/06722bc8-e310-4fc6-ad9d-9cae568f2ecb_zps78jlxiqa.jpg) framed by MFM to conservation grade. offers around ยฃ600 Sickboy temple edition of 5. Offers around ยฃ200 (but will need to check how its framed if it sells) ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/051E1B0E-933B-421D-BCBB-319C7657D6EA_zpswnxyctif.jpg) Broke, edition of 3 hand finished prints. offers around ยฃ150 ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/55b79fa9-f2b9-479c-ad4b-bfd3a53a727c_zps3j29ywkg.jpg) Denial Edition of 50. Offers as i don't know what they go for! last one on here went so quick i missed the price. ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/0b87ca90.jpg) ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/df7a2838.jpg) Candice Tripp Rebecca of the tribe ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/3E036396-A909-4D68-BA18-3E439071D0A3_zpsex2zhfpa.jpg) Offers around ยฃ700 Adam Mclevey ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/B2AAD5FB-84A5-4344-B4FA-801CE647785A_zpswt4chlzz.jpg) Offers around ยฃ100 Size is 400 x 300mm ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/C2F5C2EA-07FF-483A-B252-BBF4EF46DDC7_zpsersm8lgx.jpg) Offers around ยฃ100 size is 380 x 200mm ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/9FD251E5-8535-4E3C-852B-1D1D7A634AA0_zpssn4oa5s8.jpg) offers around ยฃ60 size is 300 x 240mm ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/B0C99CA5-E345-4EC5-B8AF-1D52F027BF22_zps5ro1s5fj.jpg) Drugs party. offers around ยฃ100 size is 400 x 300mm ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/2A936CFA-A267-4FDD-85B2-2E2050A15E42_zpsdrbmszdb.jpg) offers around ยฃ60 size is 300 x 225mm ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/FCD4A52D-BF09-4C2F-A46A-36E528CE2467_zpsnm1jb3nh.jpg) offers around ยฃ100 size is 300 x 225mm ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/F9BEB372-A640-46B5-8895-1BC3E7B62A46_zps7wx7go0i.jpg) offers around ยฃ30 on each one 125 x 175mm ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/dd50c115-b6e6-4a9d-a98a-9208db18d224_zpscs8zt2qr.jpg) Offers around ยฃ70 size is 200 x 255
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Stik Artwork, VALUATION, by tartarus on May 2, 2016 13:28:44 GMT 1, Price check on an original first day impression, signed Stik2011, please ? a what Roy?>??
Price check on an original first day impression, signed Stik2011, please ? a what Roy?>??
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You know you've collected too much art when..., by tartarus on May 1, 2016 20:37:45 GMT 1, you get to the point that the art thats been relegated to the wardrobe looks fucking amazing, while the clothes in the same wardrobe are starting to look like shit!
you get to the point that the art thats been relegated to the wardrobe looks fucking amazing, while the clothes in the same wardrobe are starting to look like shit!
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Julian's Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by tartarus on May 1, 2016 11:16:36 GMT 1, Cheers diz. Is there a link to that? or is it registered user stuff?
Cheers diz. Is there a link to that? or is it registered user stuff?
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Julian's Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by tartarus on May 1, 2016 10:00:37 GMT 1, Is there somewhere they show the results from previous auctions?
Is there somewhere they show the results from previous auctions?
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JBOY ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข JBoy Art For Sale, by tartarus on Apr 26, 2016 18:19:12 GMT 1, Am i seeing something different here? its completely different with the tail ![](http://www.artrepublic.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/l/e/le0000739jbo.jpg) Same fish, different day.
As the saying goes.
Am i seeing something different here? its completely different with the tail ![](http://www.artrepublic.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/l/e/le0000739jbo.jpg) Same fish, different day. As the saying goes.
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Share the STIK love!, by tartarus on Apr 22, 2016 19:39:08 GMT 1, looks like his website has had a few updates.
stik.org
looks like his website has had a few updates. stik.org
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Apr 20, 2016 18:26:24 GMT 1, dont laugh to hard!! your clearly forgetting the Boris issue there! I think he will make a great PM, and looking around the political scene I can't see anyone from any party who would have a chance against him in an election. thats it!! i quit! I'm out!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dont laugh to hard!! your clearly forgetting the Boris issue there! I think he will make a great PM, and looking around the political scene I can't see anyone from any party who would have a chance against him in an election. thats it!! i quit! I'm out!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Apr 20, 2016 18:19:22 GMT 1, If our friends across the pond need some Political Guidance we will gladly lend you Mr. Trump for a few months but you must promise to return him by January when he takes office. Haaaa thank you And people think we have got it bad here in the UK ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) would you prefer a bit of Trump? dont laugh to hard!! your clearly forgetting the Boris issue there!
If our friends across the pond need some Political Guidance we will gladly lend you Mr. Trump for a few months but you must promise to return him by January when he takes office. Haaaa thank you And people think we have got it bad here in the UK ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) would you prefer a bit of Trump? dont laugh to hard!! your clearly forgetting the Boris issue there!
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Apr 20, 2016 18:17:00 GMT 1, If our friends across the pond need some Political Guidance we will gladly lend you Mr. Trump for a few months but you must promise to return him by January when he takes office. lol i think we have already made it clear to your president what we think of US intervention on this issue. ;-)
If our friends across the pond need some Political Guidance we will gladly lend you Mr. Trump for a few months but you must promise to return him by January when he takes office. lol i think we have already made it clear to your president what we think of US intervention on this issue. ;-)
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Apr 20, 2016 17:59:33 GMT 1, I see fear of change being a driver to stay, but thats just missing the new opportunities it would create if we leave. That's an interesting point, but it seems to be the fear of change that is driving many to want to leave. The change to their community because of immigration, and an idea that we were better off before, so lets go back to that (forgetting that Britain was in a terrible state in the decades before joining Europe) Leaving just because we can and it won't change much doesn't sound like much of an argument. yeah, its not great having farrage and all the other racist twats on my side of the debate. But i separate their issues from my reasoning.
The thing with that argument is we don't live in that UK any more. we have come a long way since then. Are we really going to suddenly plunge back into some kind of darkness just because we aren't in Europe? I would hope we could retain what we have worked to become without having it be conditional to our being in europe.
i wasn't suggesting we leave because we can, i was saying the fear levels of leaving seem to stop people realising the gains we could make if we did leave. the saving alone from having a 2 tier system of politics which is of course rinsed for all its worth would leave us with more money to spend here. the idea we would be cut off somehow when it comes to trade is just a ridiculousness.
I see fear of change being a driver to stay, but thats just missing the new opportunities it would create if we leave. That's an interesting point, but it seems to be the fear of change that is driving many to want to leave. The change to their community because of immigration, and an idea that we were better off before, so lets go back to that (forgetting that Britain was in a terrible state in the decades before joining Europe) Leaving just because we can and it won't change much doesn't sound like much of an argument. yeah, its not great having farrage and all the other racist twats on my side of the debate. But i separate their issues from my reasoning. The thing with that argument is we don't live in that UK any more. we have come a long way since then. Are we really going to suddenly plunge back into some kind of darkness just because we aren't in Europe? I would hope we could retain what we have worked to become without having it be conditional to our being in europe. i wasn't suggesting we leave because we can, i was saying the fear levels of leaving seem to stop people realising the gains we could make if we did leave. the saving alone from having a 2 tier system of politics which is of course rinsed for all its worth would leave us with more money to spend here. the idea we would be cut off somehow when it comes to trade is just a ridiculousness.
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