[Prescription Art]

I think if you've bought a skull you should be OK... I hope he doesn't mind me saying but I believe they're now with misterframeman.

I don't know James that well, but I really don't believe he's intended to rip anyone off.

[brun]

all you who are owed money should get together ,find a decent lawyer and sue the owners .....when its individual claims its harder for you ...... but if you find a lawyer to rep you all , you have a strong case !

if they are limited company you are done for i think and you have to contact the receivers and hope to get your goods/fees ..........but i may be wrong .

[jam]

Jul 12, 2008 2:40:20 GMT 1 brun said:

all you who are owed money should get together ,find a decent lawyer and sue the owners .....when its individual claims its harder for you ...... but if you find a lawyer to rep you all , you have a strong case !

if they are limited company you are done for i think and you have to contact the receivers and hope to get your goods/fees ..........but i may be wrong .

Case may be strong, but sue for what? You can't get blood from a stone. James sniffed all the cash up and still collectively owes artists over £100k at last count so chances of anyone getting anything out of him is slim. On the positive... he likely owes dealers cash too, and their justice will far outstrip the negative effect any civil suit could cause him.

[Heavyconsumer]

People like that tend to make sure their dealer is paid up, at the expense of other duties, hence this mess no doubt, if there is truth to the drug related rumour.

I feel terrible for his staff, who whenever I've called with a query, have been very helpful, friendly and professional. And I feel awful for those of you who have paid for art that hasn't been received. I hope that somehow the gallery manages to fulfill the outstanding orders. I mean what else can they do with art that has been sold? (Excuse me if that's a naive question, but I'm not in either art-dealing or law and it seems to me that once you've paid, you own it!?!?)

[craigf]

If you pay for something that you haven't recieved you become an unsecured creditor rather than the owner of the piece. The piece remains in the ownership of the company unless it was on consignment then the artist still owns it. In this case I think there is going to be a right mess with neither the artist getting their piece back or the buyer getting it to put on the wall

[a4mnt]

Jul 12, 2008 2:14:43 GMT 1 Prescription Art said:

I think if you've bought a skull you should be OK... I hope he doesn't mind me saying but I believe they're now with misterframeman.

I don't know James that well, but I really don't believe he's intended to rip anyone off.

HPS - i'm sure James didn't mean to rip anyone off, but the fact is that as far as the rumour mill is concerned, they have mismanaged funds and used them unwisely for their own purposes.

Maybe we should tell some of the people that are seriously out of pocket that James didn't mean to rip them off, see if that makes them feel better. I somehow doubt it.

[ceba]

Glad To see that place closed down. Spoke to one of them in feb this year about a piece by Elbow toe Struck me as upperclass twats who knew little or noting about ART. Just alone to milk the banksy come street art gravy train. if anyone has a problem regarding monies.
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[ceba]

Go to the small claims court and put in for a claim last time i checked it only cost a few pound
around a fiver hit them where it hurts in the pocket

[carl]

Jul 11, 2008 20:11:37 GMT 1 aginghippie said:

Contact the receiver for TLSG Ltd and inform him that they are holding your property. They should release it to you if you can prove ownership (the receipt together with any bank or credit card should do).

This is very wise advice. If anybody has a receipt for the goods then get in touch with the receiver straight away. TLSG are simply in possesion of something you already own.

[manchestermike]

Jul 12, 2008 16:03:22 GMT 1 carl said:

Jul 11, 2008 20:11:37 GMT 1 aginghippie said:

Contact the receiver for TLSG Ltd and inform him that they are holding your property. They should release it to you if you can prove ownership (the receipt together with any bank or credit card should do).

This is very wise advice. If anybody has a receipt for the goods then get in touch with the receiver straight away. TLSG are simply in possesion of something you already own.

I'm sure someone said they're not (well they weren't) a limited company

[carl]

Jul 12, 2008 16:05:59 GMT 1 manchestermike said:

Jul 12, 2008 16:03:22 GMT 1 carl said:

This is very wise advice. If anybody has a receipt for the goods then get in touch with the receiver straight away. TLSG are simply in possesion of something you already own.

I'm sure someone said they're not (well they weren't) a limited company

If they do not have Limited liability then you can make a private claim against the owners but that will be less fruitful I would guess as they will have to declare themselves bankrupt. Has anbody checked with companies house?

[singerstu]

They are a limited company. Companies House is not showing the company in liquidation yet. I suspect they are arranging the creditors meeting. Anyone who is a creditor should get notified.

By the way Comanies House shows David Gray resigned a while back.

[maadbeats]

Get a laywer and file a suit. Plan and simple.
I am dealing with Amex to solve my Beejoir statue issue

[manchestermike]

Jul 12, 2008 20:44:22 GMT 1 maadbeats said:

Get a laywer and file a suit. Plan and simple.
I am dealing with Amex to solve my Beejoir statue issue

Good luck with that one, but with Amex I wouldn't hold out much hope

[a4mnt]

Jul 12, 2008 16:47:30 GMT 1 singerstu said:

By the way Comanies House shows David Gray resigned a while back.

Did his singing career finally take off?

[Mister Frame Man]

Jul 11, 2008 17:50:26 GMT 1 Oliver Garland said:

no statue's, its for the skulls Beejoir did, does anyone have any contact for Beejoir as I really dont want to loose out on this work and he would probably know of its where abouts and such. Thanks alot of everyone's help. Glad to see alot of good people on the forum.

I have all skulls Ollie, mail me and I should be able to help! I may have to charge you cost for framing however as I have lost 10.5k myself!

[carl]

Shit Gary that much Sorry to here that mate.

Forum whip round anyone?

[Mister Frame Man]

Jul 13, 2008 21:39:01 GMT 1 carl said:

s**t Gary that much Sorry to here that mate.

Forum whip round anyone?

Mmmm...Sorry, haven't done til now and didn't want to mention figures, but the longer this goes on the more problems it's causing me and the more P***ed off I am becoming about it!

No whip round please, others need it more. Just more work my way would help!!!

[scavos]

Gary, that f**king sucks. Really sorry to hear about that mate. I thought my loss was bad.
Glad to hear at least you have the skulls and might be able to help some people out who bought them. Don't suppose you have the Believing Standard prints too do you?
I'm especially gutted because I had one of the framed #1's and another unframed; I was going to collect them the next time I was in London. If I'd have said I didn't want the frame I would have possibly have had them through the post shortly after the end of the show.
To hear you lost that much makes me realise how big a deal this whole situation is. There must be hundreds of thousands of £££ owing.
What has happened to all that artwork they must have there? I presume it will be the responsibility of the receivers. I wonder what they will eventually do with it all. If it has to be sold to cover losses than how? Any ideas?

[artdivision]

that really does suck. i would've almost got stung by tlsg myself, but luckily decided not to make the purchase last minute.

really hope people who've come off badly find some sort of solution, this does nothing whatsoever for the industry / buyer confidence and all that.

[Francis]

Not a rumor...check out their website. Says they are closed.

[Partyfoodprincess]

Just checked the website...now it makes sense why they are not returning calls/emails....

I'm owed ££££ from TLSG in respect of a gold beejoir...owed now for about 2 months.

Unfortunately, as a mere unsecured creditor the chances of getting over 10% of what you are owed are slim...even collectively chances of scraping back any owed monies are zilch.

Any names/numbers to try and claw back some ££££ gratefully received.

Shame its shut down.

Does anyone have the official name by which the company is registered or a company number? Might be an idea to check companies house to see if its actually in liquidation or not?

[maadbeats]

File it with your cc company. I got amex working on my broken beejoir statue for me. So I have a temp refund until it gets sorted.

[romanywg]

Just think of the many artists that are owed well into 5 figure amounts.

[wiz]

Just wondering if anyone was ever successful at being reimbursed for any incurred losses from the closure of TLSG? just out of interest.

[Deleted]

Feb 17, 2009 11:17:15 GMT 1 @wiz said:

Just wondering if anyone was ever successful at being reimbursed for any incurred losses from the closure of TLSG? just out of interest.

i collected my order just days before it folded, lucky escape, i hope other got their orders ok in the end

[jfury]

Look familiar?!?!?!

www.blackallstudios.com/

[jfury]

owned by one of the directros from TLSG by the looks of it

[darrenrapley]

Feb 17, 2009 11:17:15 GMT 1 @wiz said:

Just wondering if anyone was ever successful at being reimbursed for any incurred losses from the closure of TLSG? just out of interest.

Nope. I was lucky in that it was only a small statue I lost out on

[stringerbell]

Any update?