banksy police car

[graeme501]

why did banksy bother set up pest control ? we're miles better

[alsbabar]

rudecopper said:

who 'told' you alsbabar?

a banksy expert

[icky]

alsbabar said:

icky, do you fancy me? have i rejected your advances? because you seem to have a lot of anger going through your veins towards me!!

Would a free brown Dirtyfunker 12" pacify you?

Mostly I find you boring, but in this case I was really upset. You write things as if you are sure and an authority on the subject and when proven wrong you just act as if your surprised that people may actually believe you.
Did you make Babyjane an offer for her fake Banksy? Then I would understand why you write these things

If you got a Dirty Funker 12" Radar Rat cover hand finished by Banksy i'l take that.

[graeme501]

ha !

[mammal2]

This is a Banksy I am sure. Do not sell to any loser that tries and pulls the wool over your eyes via pm. You CAN get it auth at Laz! They are setting up a better system for this and they will do it, but dont expect a quick turnaround. Good luck and a great piece. Brilliant! Banksy did many many cardboard works and I am sure from the pics that this is one. Break the frame very carefully and get it in a bank vault asap! oi oi

[Rude Copper]

alsbabar said:

rudecopper said:

who 'told' you alsbabar?

a banksy expert

there's no such thing, you arse

[RBK]

Have a professional get the work out of the frame.

[gtf]

mammal2 said:

This is a Banksy I am sure. Do not sell to any loser that tries and pulls the wool over your eyes via pm. You CAN get it auth at Laz! They are setting up a better system for this and they will do it, but dont expect a quick turnaround. Good luck and a great piece. Brilliant! Banksy did many many cardboard works and I am sure from the pics that this is one. Break the frame very carefully and get it in a bank vault asap! oi oi

Get a framer to break the frame, don't try it yourself. It is not worth the risk! Make sure it is safely stored once it is out of the frame.

As advised above, get it authenticated by Laz or whoever they tell you is now authenticating Banksy originals.

And finally, come back on here and tell us the outcome!

[hungrig]

icky said:

alsbabar said:

icky, do you fancy me? have i rejected your advances? because you seem to have a lot of anger going through your veins towards me!!

Would a free brown Dirtyfunker 12" pacify you?

Mostly I find you boring, but in this case I was really upset. You write things as if you are sure and an authority on the subject and when proven wrong you just act as if your surprised that people may actually believe you.
Did you make Babyjane an offer for her fake Banksy? Then I would understand why you write these things

If you got a Dirty Funker 12" Radar Rat cover hand finished by Banksy i'l take that.

Good work, HankPank.

The scenario has already been repeated a few times on this forum:

Part 1: Inexperienced and perhaps naive person appears on stage with a potentially very valuable piece.

Part 2: Numerous posts by one or more forum members (or the same member with different user names). These posts are along the lines of "no gallery will authenticate it", "without provenance, it's worthless", "you see, a genuine piece would have been signed", "this image was only done on canvas", "sorry, it's not a real Banksy[/color][/i]", etc., etc.

Part 3: Owner of the piece gets a personal message from one of the forum members who was "just trying to help out" (but perhaps under a different user name) in Part 2 above. The message goes something like "Too bad it's not genuine. Damn shame that it's worth less than the frame. I really like the image though; that's what's important to me. I'm not too bothered it's a fake. £200 for it?".

Part 4: Owner parts with piece. Happy ending for everyone. Well, at least for the buyer.

[hunter]

If that is true its a new low point for this forum

[foundation]

hunter said:

If that is true its a new low point for this forum

dont you mean another new low point for this forum? yesterdays incident discussion was a low point for me for several reasons.

[thinkbank]

sad, sad, sad. it appears that this forum has nothing to do with the love of art.

but everything to do with the love of money....

thankfully there are a few decent, honest people on here and you never have to meet the idiots in real life.....

[graeme501]

i wouldnt worry, i pm'd her pretty much straight away telling her not to sell to any1 and to take it to LAZ to get it authenticated, as it could be worth £10,000's

[Coach]

thinkbank said:

sad, sad, sad. it appears that this forum has nothing to do with the love of art.

but everything to do with the love of money....

thankfully there are a few decent, honest people on here and you never have to meet the idiots in real life.....

i still think most people on here are here because of a passion for art. i hope i'm right.

[alsbabar]

let me make a few things clear to you people who are throwing their toys out of their prams.

1. I never said I was a Banksy Expert - I would defy anyone to prove at any point where I made such a sweeping statement

2. The opinion about this piece was not mine - it was somebody elses - and in time, this PERSON, will be proven to be wrong or right - so till then, lay off the gang bullying mentality

3. I have only offered Babyjane assistance - I have zero interest in purchasing this piece and at no point did BabyJane intimate that she wanted to sell to me or to anyone else.

I think a lot of you are hysterical drama queens, with nothing better to do then gang up on people. I have seen how you treated that poor kid Cartrain and add how, when you dont get the print/piece you want you get all nicely a chummy, when you dont, you turn into viscious turncoats, you people are a joke, who I never have and never will take seriously. I am just thankful that I can afford to buy the art direct from source, without having to resort to dealing with some of you muppets (graeme the flipper, Icky, Mammal, rudecopper, Ronhill to name a few).

Have a nice weekend

[savilerogue]

alsbabar said:

rudecopper said:

who 'told' you alsbabar?

a banksy expert

Banksy expert my arse.

[alsbabar]

heard that one eariler savile

[romanywg]

If you think so highly of most of the forum members on here Alsbabar why don't you do us all a big favour and FUCK OFF!
You bring nothing to this forum except bad karma.

[savilerogue]

alsbabar said:

I think a lot of you are hysterical drama queens

alsbabar said:

when you dont get the print/piece you want you get all nicely a chummy, when you dont, you turn into viscious turncoats, you people are a joke, who I never have and never will take seriously. I am just thankful that I can afford to buy the art direct from source, without having to resort to dealing with some of you muppets (graeme the flipper, Icky, Mammal, rudecopper, Ronhill to name a few).

Have a nice weekend

Funny.

[alsbabar]

did i mention your name roman? no so shutup you cunt

[finsburyparkranger]

alsbabar said:

you people who are throwing their toys out of their prams.

alsbabar said:

did i mention your name roman? no so shutup you c**t

[seidbereit]

Great piece babyjane

I hope you take the general advice here and do nothing until you've had this properly authenticated.

Just a general question to those more knowledgable than me... but on the assumption that both are exactly the same piece on cardboard it looks like the cardboard (particularly at the front of the car) has been cut down quite a lot in order to fit into that frame... is this important issue? There must be 2 or 3 inches missing off the right hand side...

[icky]

Albabar:
Babyjane comes on to the biggest forum about Banksy art and one of the biggest posters tell her:
"... sorry to say babyjane, its not a real banksy" (a letter by letter quote)

Don't you think it would have been nice to say "I don't think it's a real banksy" instead?

[seidbereit]

I read that as "biggest posers"

[kingdomcome]

Alsbaber. I’m sure in the real world you are decent sort of chap and I suspect the anonymity of the forum allows you to behave in a manner that may not be the real you.

Recently I posted a polite message asking people if there was any foundation to the Banksy / Laz split story, as I couldn’t find any threads on the forum relating to it.

I was immediately slammed down by you and told that it was completely untrue.

As a fairly new member I found your message unhelpful, rude and unnecessary

Similarly in the way you told BabyJane you had it on good authority her Banksy was a fake - you told me that you knew for a fact the story was untrue.

Current evidence seems to suggest that Babyjanes piece may be genuine and you are possibly wrong.

You claim to have the inside track on pretty much all the hearsay on this forum and from what I have seen / read in relation to Babyjanes post, your ‘expert’ may have let you down on this occasion.

There may also possibly be a grain of truth to the Banksy / Laz story - time will tell.

Of course, you are completely entitled to your opinion but please remember that an opinion isnt the same as a fact.

[arcam]

alsbabar said:

2. The opinion about this piece was not mine - it was somebody elses - and in time, this PERSON, will be proven to be wrong or right - so till then, lay off the gang bullying mentality

I think what people were annoyed at was your sweeping statement that it wasn't a real Banksy. And I quote...

alsbabar said:

ok got a heads up on this - this was never a print, this was only ever a stencil painting on canvas, so sorry to say babyjane, its not a real banksy

Granted you were just trying to help but regardless of whether you got this info from a 'source', it is quite a claim to make. babyjane could have quite easily taken that as 'fact' and sold it for a fraction of it's true worth. And this isn't the first time you've made such sweeping statements, the Trolley's from the Ghetto seems to spring to mind. Again you posted that you heard from a 'source' that the handles were hand painted. The result of that was sellers quick to include it in their auctions and those that didn't know better may have ended up paying more for something that wasn't true.

So the lesson here is unless YOU know it to be true, maybe it's best to restrain from quoting things you've just heard as being 'fact'.

[mammal2]

alsbabar said:

let me make a few things clear to you people who are throwing their toys out of their prams.

1. I never said I was a Banksy Expert - I would defy anyone to prove at any point where I made such a sweeping statement

2. The opinion about this piece was not mine - it was somebody elses - and in time, this PERSON, will be proven to be wrong or right - so till then, lay off the gang bullying mentality

3. I have only offered Babyjane assistance - I have zero interest in purchasing this piece and at no point did BabyJane intimate that she wanted to sell to me or to anyone else.

I think a lot of you are hysterical drama queens, with nothing better to do then gang up on people. I have seen how you treated that poor kid Cartrain and add how, when you dont get the print/piece you want you get all nicely a chummy, when you dont, you turn into viscious turncoats, you people are a joke, who I never have and never will take seriously. I am just thankful that I can afford to buy the art direct from source, without having to resort to dealing with some of you muppets (graeme the flipper, Icky, Mammal, rudecopper, Ronhill to name a few).

Have a nice weekend

You are an idiot to be fair though!

[alsbabar]

so what you are saying then Arcam, because of me, BabyJ could have sold it for a fraction of the price it could be worth? What if it is not a real banksy, then what?

As for the Trolleys Handles - again, because of me, someone misrepresented their listings? It wasnt just me who said these are hand finished, so dont portion all this issue at me, however I will stand by my word on this. Eveyone a much respected member on this forum, and after presenting him with this evidence, he took a different view.

What I get told by people I trust and respect, I know it to be true. I tell you the lesson to be learnt here, dont tell anyone jack s**t, with the exception of those who trust me and i trust them in return. So I will put my hand up and say, yes, I shouldnt have made any statement, I shouldnt try and help someone. So carrying on with your bickering and leave me out of this debate going forwards, as I am retracting all my comments, comments which I am led to believe are true.

So please continue to talk about the art, and dont turn every thread into an issue about me.

[savilerogue]

alsbabar said:

so what you are saying then Arcam, because of me, BabyJ could have sold it for a fraction of the price it could be worth? What if it is not a real banksy, then what?

As for the Trolleys Handles - again, because of me, someone misrepresented their listings? It wasnt just me who said these are hand finished, so dont portion all this issue at me, however I will stand by my word on this. Eveyone would agree that Pezlow is respected on this forum, and after presenting him with this evidence, he took a different view.

What I get told by people I trust and respect, I know it to be true. I tell you the lesson to be learnt here, dont tell anyone jack s**t, with the exception of those who trust me and i trust them in return. So I will put my hand up and say, yes, I shouldnt have made any statement, I shouldnt try and help someone. So carrying on with your bickering and leave me out of this debate going forwards, as I am retracting all my comments, comments which I am led to believe are true.

So please continue to talk about the art, and dont turn every thread into an issue about me.

The only one turning threads into issues about yourself is you, you preening popinjay.

[Dead Elvis]

Get a good lawyer.