Banksy in Kiev, Ukraine 🇺🇦

[Icecream Man]

www.instagram.com/reel/ClEaVDJOPaM/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

the minimum is not awesome. The minimum is not awesome. 

[Lroy]

Nov 17, 2022 17:48:36 GMT 1 Icecream Man said:

www.instagram.com/reel/ClEaVDJOPaM/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

the minimum is not awesome. The minimum is not awesome. 

I told before that there will be a video , but nobody is listening to meeeeee ! 🤧 

[Stinky Pete]

Oh my god that little girl
And her mother ‘ we have run out of tears’
Well I haven’t
Haunting

[slevin]

Video also available to watch on the Banksy website

[Majestic]

The king is back.









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[bookends]

And he won his appeal at court against that card company so a great month for the guy !

[Not 4 The Thril]

Nov 17, 2022 15:50:00 GMT 1 Not 4 The Thril said:

I feel like everyone is still glossing over the fact than B hasn't confirmed the pieces himself or posted anything about his trip. No photos on his website- no IG posts aside from 1 piece. 

Even when he went to war torn Gaza he made a video. Jo Brooks has confirmed/posted about 4 pieces but not the most stunning/impactful image (imo) the Judo Kid. Fragile posted/confirmed it but does that count? 

What do you think happened? Is he just switching things up or do you think his phone died and he's still looking for a charger. 

I STAND CORRECTED! Powerful video. Great to see him action as always. 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/ClEaVDJOPaM

[STP]

Adding the meathead's comment at the end of the video is utterly brilliant.

15 words

[Daniel Silk]

Have you seen the video? Posted on the Banksy Instagram page.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/ClEaVDJOPaM

[Daniel Silk]

Let the speculation start! 😂

"BANKSY original STENCIL ukraine
Time left: 4d 11h|Saturday, 00:05
Current bid: £48.00[ 9 bids ]
Located in: Birmingham, United Kingdom"

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/275554288903

[Daniel Silk]

Nov 28, 2022 6:02:50 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Let the speculation start! 😂

"BANKSY original STENCIL ukraine
Time left: 4d 11h|Saturday, 00:05
Current bid: £48.00[ 9 bids ]
Located in: Birmingham, United Kingdom"

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/275554288903

Does that stencil match up perfectly with the piece in Ukraine?
I will let the self proclaimed knowledgeable ones answer 😂

[7star]

I smell a rat Mr Silk

If that is real that's 60k - 100k based on the stencil of a toxic rat that sold at Juliens for 60k odd

The only way someone would have the real stencil is from B himself or they got really fudging lucky and went to Ukraine and found it plus I messaged the seller asking how she got it and no reply

Too good to be true

[Terry Fuckwitt]

Nov 28, 2022 14:19:40 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Nov 28, 2022 6:02:50 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Let the speculation start! 😂

"BANKSY original STENCIL ukraine
Time left: 4d 11h|Saturday, 00:05
Current bid: £48.00[ 9 bids ]
Located in: Birmingham, United Kingdom"

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/275554288903

Does that stencil match up perfectly with the piece in Ukraine?
I will let the self proclaimed knowledgeable ones answer 😂

A quick check on their sold items or their feedback tells you all you need to know

[xixixi]

Nov 28, 2022 6:02:50 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Let the speculation start! 😂

"BANKSY original STENCIL ukraine
Time left: 4d 11h|Saturday, 00:05
Current bid: £48.00[ 9 bids ]
Located in: Birmingham, United Kingdom"

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/275554288903

Located in: Birmingham, United Kingdom

[Lroy]

" Located in: Birmingham, United Kingdom "

I know some artists/communicants coming from Birmingham....
But Why not ?
Maybe a real one ( otherwise why specially this one ) ...
It's a nice one.

[bookends]

Just one look at her feedback screaming 'scammer 'is a pretty good indication its fake

Why do you post so much nonsense all the time ??

[Lroy]

Nov 28, 2022 16:37:54 GMT 1 bookends said:

Just one look at her feedback scteaming scammer is a pretty good indication its fake

Why do you post so much nonsense all the time ??

Who ? Me ?!!!

Fake or not I like it, is it a non sense ?

I don't judge you why do you judge me ?!

Anyway i  like nonsense too.

I have had a look on his feedback before posting, yes Mason Storm, yes, bad feedback, yes I would not buy from this guy etc...

There is button " block " ( anyway it's not me that posted this link, it's the owner of this site ) , if you don't want to read my nonsense...

[bookends]

It was not you i was posting about you Roy

But if the cap fits, wear it 🤣

[Lroy]

Nov 28, 2022 17:02:54 GMT 1 bookends said:

It was not you i was posting about you Roy

But if the cap fits, wear it 🤣

    ahhahh I am too much parano, well, I apologize my friend ! thank you for your understanding ! ( it looks like we do'nt need anymore to post 15 words ( can't see the stopwatch...

[Daniel Silk]

Nov 28, 2022 6:02:50 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Let the speculation start! 😂

"BANKSY original STENCIL ukraine
Time left: 4d 11h|Saturday, 00:05
Current bid: £48.00[ 9 bids ]
Located in: Birmingham, United Kingdom"

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/275554288903

Currently at £316 with 9 hours to go.
I wonder what it would go for if the location was set as in the Ukraine?

[urbanwear]

Just seen this on IG, seems it was ripped off this morning around 10.00 am. Lady on the chair with the gas mask.

http://instagram.com/p/ClqZB9UNt66

[Terry Fuckwitt]

Dec 2, 2022 7:43:21 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Nov 28, 2022 6:02:50 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Let the speculation start! 😂

"BANKSY original STENCIL ukraine
Time left: 4d 11h|Saturday, 00:05
Current bid: £48.00[ 9 bids ]
Located in: Birmingham, United Kingdom"

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/275554288903

Currently at £316 with 9 hours to go.
I wonder what it would go for if the location was set as in the Ukraine?

Some poor sod won it for £2250

[mojo]

Who the hell steals a Banksy meant for the people of Ukraine?  It's shameful enough when they do it here...but there?

LINK - The Guardian - People try to Steal Banksy Mural

Police make arrests and secure image of gas-masked woman in dressing gown sprayed on Hostomel wall

A group of people have tried to take a mural in Ukraine by the graffiti artist Banksy, by cutting away a section of war-damaged wall where it was sprayed.

The group managed to slice off a section of board and plaster bearing the image of a woman in a gas mask and dressing gown holding a fire extinguisher on the side of a scorched building.

But they were spotted at the scene in the city of Hostomel, near Kyiv, and the section was retrieved, the governor of Kyiv, Oleksiy Kuleba, said on Friday. The image was still intact and police were protecting it.

“These images are, after all, symbols of our struggle against the enemy … We’ll do everything to preserve these works of street art as a symbol of our victory,” he said.

Banksy, whose work can sell for millions, confirmed that he had painted the mural and six others last month in places affected by heavy fighting after Russia invaded Ukraine in late February.

One of the murals shows a girl gymnast performing a handstand on a small pile of concrete rubble. Another shows an old man having a bath.

 A number of people were arrested at the scene, they said.

Russia’s war in Ukraine is now in its 10th month. Moscow’s forces were pushed back from around Kyiv in the first phase of the war, but fighting continues in the east and south.

[met]

Nov 28, 2022 15:12:42 GMT 1 Terry Fuckwitt said:

Nov 28, 2022 14:19:40 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Nov 28, 2022 6:02:50 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Let the speculation start! 😂

"BANKSY original STENCIL ukraine
Time left: 4d 11h|Saturday, 00:05
Current bid: £48.00[ 9 bids ]
Located in: Birmingham, United Kingdom"

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/275554288903

Does that stencil match up perfectly with the piece in Ukraine?
I will let the self proclaimed knowledgeable ones answer 😂

A quick check on their sold items or their feedback tells you all you need to know

This type of straightforward due-diligence check is indeed helpful.

But it's also secondary, because what it serves to corroborate should already be evident, at least to anyone with a functional pair of eyes who bothered to examine a detailed photo of the Banksy mural in Borodyanka. And even among the visually impaired, to anyone with common sense.

Zero proper knowledge is therefore actually required to conclude that the eBay stencil is a counterfeit listed by some scammer under the username, lizzie.bee.123.



There might well have been complicit shill bidders who participated in the auction. Or, if we're lucky, a saboteur who placed a stupidly-high winning bid to protect others from themselves.

Sadly, however, what we still have among the remaining eBay bidders are fools. Including those who may have been blinkered by wishful thinking, FOMO and/or greed.



If the sale completes and money changes hands, £2,250.00 plus postage will, for the buyer, turn into an expensive lesson. Regrettable, given one could have hoped that its teaching ("Lesson 1: Don't be a dupe.") would be unnecessary.


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As a separate aside, the emphasis this message board places on eBay is unfortunate in my opinion.

But if anyone feels that a particular eBay sale is significant and really does merit being discussed, I would once again* encourage them to post both the link and a screenshot.

Since completed listings are generally taken down by eBay after three months, hyperlinks to eBay auctions quickly become dead links. Making the effort of adding one or two screenshots thus helps to ensure the relevant post (or even the entire thread) can remain informative for years to come.

Please also identify and type the name or username of any dishonest seller into your post, so they have a chance of later popping up as red flags in Google-search results.



www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BANKSY-original-STENCIL-ukraine-/275554288903


Fake stencil listing (eBay item no. 275554288903) by lizzie.bee.123, possibly based in Birmingham, UK














Bidding history for the fake stencil







Seller feedback for lizzie.bee.123





9 September 2022 sale by lizzie.bee.123 of a "Banksy Helicopter"

[met]

Nov 12, 2022 18:51:56 GMT 1 hnkpnk said:

I believe the theme for the paintings may be a Ukrainian Keep Calm and Carry On. It fits with the kids, acrobats, the lady with fire extinguisher and the man in the tub. All of them are continuing their lives but under new circumstances.

Nov 12, 2022 19:23:48 GMT 1 eyectopus said:

I agree with you hnkpnk. The lady on the chair took the time to put rollers in and is in a housecoat/dressing gown so not planning to rush off anywhere and is relaxed. She is on the chair to reach the window to put the fire out.

The gymnast with neckbrace continues despite an injury and the handstand gymnast continues despite the very dangerous location.

Always a pleasure to read comments on subject matters I find engaging — where my own posts are prompted by genuine interest, rather than by some vague sense of duty I might feel towards fellow art enthusiasts.


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Leaving aside discrete references among the individual Ukrainian pieces (e.g. Putin's fondness for judo), I would slightly expand upon the idea of a shared theme of Keep Calm and Carry On:


For me, the works are homages to a national strength of character. A tribute to the resilience of Ukraine, along with its dogged determination to keep fighting. Against the odds. Against an invader who is far more powerful.

And within this context, the continuation by Ukrainians of their daily routines — regardless of the dramatic changes to their circumstances and immediate surroundings — is in itself political.

Mere pursuit of the quotidian becomes an act of resistance. A collective and collected fuck-you gesture of defiance.

Indeed, what these pieces arguably affirm is, "We will keep calm and carry on, until you, the enemy aggressor, are defeated."

[King and a Duck]

I'd love to know whether the original piece has hands behind the broken pieces of wall. Seems odd to not to include the hands in the stencil, no?

[xixixi]

Dec 3, 2022 2:33:59 GMT 1 met said:

Seller feedback for lizzie.bee.123

The seller previously sold one of these or something very similar



Mason Storm’s art does indeed have a purpose, his artworks are the art-world equivalent of the canary in the coal mine. Anytime you see a seller or gallery associated or even utter the name "Mason Storm" Get the hell out of there.

[met]

Dec 3, 2022 2:33:59 GMT 1 met said:

Nov 28, 2022 15:12:42 GMT 1 Terry Fuckwitt said:

Nov 28, 2022 14:19:40 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Nov 28, 2022 6:02:50 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Let the speculation start! 😂

"BANKSY original STENCIL ukraine
Time left: 4d 11h|Saturday, 00:05
Current bid: £48.00[ 9 bids ]
Located in: Birmingham, United Kingdom"

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/275554288903

Does that stencil match up perfectly with the piece in Ukraine?
I will let the self proclaimed knowledgeable ones answer 😂

A quick check on their sold items or their feedback tells you all you need to know

This type of straightforward due-diligence check is indeed helpful.

But it's also secondary, because what it serves to corroborate should already be evident, at least to anyone with a functional pair of eyes who bothered to examine a detailed photo of the Banksy mural in Borodyanka. And even among the visually impaired, to anyone with common sense.

Zero proper knowledge is therefore actually required to conclude that the eBay stencil is a counterfeit listed by some scammer under the username, lizzie.bee.123.

[...]

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BANKSY-original-STENCIL-ukraine-/275554288903


Fake stencil listing (eBay item no. 275554288903) by lizzie.bee.123, possibly based in Birmingham, UK




[...]

At the risk of labouring the point and giving the eBay fraud far more attention than it deserves, below is a handful of images juxtaposing the Borodyanka gymnast piece with the counterfeit stencil by lizzie.bee.123.



Irrespective of the slightly different angles of the side-by-side images, note the rather glaring tells with the fake stencil, including:

(i)  its less-detailed nature;

(ii)  some incorrect proportions; and

(iii)  when producing the counterfeit based on photos of the Borodyanka mural, clear confusion by lizzie.bee.123 between (a) the painted areas created by Banksy's stencil, and (b) those resulting from underspray, freehand-spraying, and the uneven surface of the wall.


Once again, knowledge of Banksy's artwork isn't required to quickly identify the eBay stencil as a fake, and lizzie.bee.123 as a fraudster. Viewers just need to use their observational skills.



COMPARE AND CONTRAST:













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Efforts here to provoke reactions from other forum members are, generally speaking, fair enough. Even when those efforts sometimes feel a little tiresome, like clickbait.

But the posting of patently fraudulent eBay listings seems problematic, specifically when accompanied by open-ended, "Is this real or fake? What do you think?"-style commentary.

There is an unhelpful ambiguity to these posts — unhelpful at least for some of our fellow members who might be young, inexperienced, ignorant, naive, inattentive and/or simply foolish. They could fail to appreciate the questions being asked may be rhetorical or less-than-sincere. And that any express calls for speculation about the authenticity of a piece may be motivated simply by a desire to promote increased engagement on this message board.



When we (and we senior forum members in particular) are coy about obviously-scam eBay listings, rather than categoric and definitive from the outset, the danger is that we risk unintentionally conferring upon those listings a veneer of possible legitimacy.

That in turn could make us complicit if any wishful thinkers among us are later defrauded.

I do not believe this concern to be unreasonable.

[Daniel Silk]

I assumed that was just a normal rendered wall 😳 looks like it some sort on insulation board, so would have been very easy to cut out and remove.

https://www.instagram.com/p/ClvUK38qMpq

[Wendero]

Dec 4, 2022 10:47:30 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

I assumed that was just a normal rendered wall 😳 looks like it some sort on insulation board, so would have been very easy to cut out and remove.

https://www.instagram.com/p/ClvUK38qMpq

If this action can help economically the owners of the house, I think the artist will be happy