[Ruggs]

Thanks guys! Would've thought it would have made at least the lower estimate. Still high on my wants list.

[ak1]

Quite a few lots were passed.  Might be worth contacting them with an offer.

[Wrxinprogress]

Apr 11, 2019 12:15:04 GMT 1 Riotcops said:

Apr 11, 2019 11:07:39 GMT 1 cmc said:

anyone know what Kaws PTP went for?

£18k hammer - £22.5 incl BP.

Glad I sold mine 4 years ago for £3500, kaws rise is unprecedented !!

[irl1]

Apr 11, 2019 14:22:32 GMT 1 @delloy said:

Apr 11, 2019 8:40:03 GMT 1 rebate said:

Anyone know what was going on with the bidding? i was watching it on artsy, and item were getting a bunch of bids, that then all got scored out, sometimes they seemed to be rebid but i dont think all were. It was a bit weird to see.

So many lots were passed on last night. The bidding did seem a little odd. Nearly every one that was passed on seemed to be bid up to just £100 below estimate. Then nothing...no sale. Surely if these were genuine bids the person/s bidding would have gone the extra £100 to secure. I personally think it was the auction house bidding up the lots to just below estimate not buyers, thats why so many were passed on so close to estimate and went no further. 

Most auctions have a reserve.

They start the bidding below the reserve and the day of the auction if the reserve is not met, they bid up to just below the reserve. Its normal i  see this every day of the week. 

[Riotcops]

Apr 11, 2019 14:22:32 GMT 1 @delloy said:

Apr 11, 2019 8:40:03 GMT 1 rebate said:

Anyone know what was going on with the bidding? i was watching it on artsy, and item were getting a bunch of bids, that then all got scored out, sometimes they seemed to be rebid but i dont think all were. It was a bit weird to see.

So many lots were passed on last night. The bidding did seem a little odd. Nearly every one that was passed on seemed to be bid up to just £100 below estimate. Then nothing...no sale. Surely if these were genuine bids the person/s bidding would have gone the extra £100 to secure. I personally think it was the auction house bidding up the lots to just below estimate not buyers, thats why so many were passed on so close to estimate and went no further. 

Agreed. I also noticed when watching online it would say on first display for example Estimate £1000-£1500, bid is £1200 then give me the option to bid £1300. Then they would start the bidding at £500 and slowly, unsteadily work its way up and then be like "we got £1200 online". It seemed as though it was displaying (to me) someones max bid? I wasn't able to bid below the price displayed even when I was watching live bidding well below.

[Shoot Again]

www.tateward.com/auction/search?au=2&sd=2&pp=96&so=4&pn=1

[Shoot Again]

Apr 10, 2019 3:13:42 GMT 1 met said:

In case any member is considering bidding later today on Lot 469 or Lot 470 — two drawings attributed to Keith Haring — I would discourage them from doing so.

My view is that both are fake and should be withdrawn.


LOT 469




Lot details

Attributed to Keith Haring (American 1958-1990), untitled, 1986, three figures jumping, original drawing on paper, signed and dated in pen; 32.5 x 23.5cm inc frame

www.tateward.com/auction/lot/469-Attributed-to-Keith-Haring-American-1958-1990-untitled-1986/?lot=803&so=0&st=469



LOT 470




Lot details

Attributed to Keith Haring (American 1958-1990), untitled, 1986, three figures on a skate board, original drawing on paper, signed and dated in pen; 23.5 x 32.5cm inc frame

www.tateward.com/auction/lot/470-Attributed-to-Keith-Haring-American-1958-1990-untitled-1986/?lot=802&so=0&st=470


__________


Personal confidence level regarding inauthenticity: Quite certain, to the point where I don't even have to examine documentation that may accompany the works.


What "Quite certain" also means in my case can be illustrated as follows:

-   If being right meant I'd win £10,000 and being wrong meant I'd be executed on the spot, I would refuse such a bet.

-   But if being right meant I'd win £10,000 and being wrong meant I'd lose £100,000 (and perhaps be forced to sell my home), I'd feel comfortable accepting that bet.

__________


The above position is based on different reasons — including in relation to choice of drawn imagery, style of the figures, linework and quality of the drawings, purported year of creation, and a signature issue (still allowing for known variations in the artist's signature).

Individually, the red flags about authenticity already range from curious or odd to highly suspicious or implausible. And when these red flags are then considered in aggregate, I'm convinced the situation for Lots 469 and 470 becomes irremediable.


Although specifics were withheld in this post to avoid helping scammers produce more convincing fakes in the future, a detailed and comprehensive courtesy email has been sent to Tate Ward for its consideration.

Hammered £4,400 & £4,000 ... ouch !

[Happy Shopper]

Apr 11, 2019 15:49:48 GMT 1 st0ni0 said:

Got the clockwork britain AP. Always wanted one. Can't wait to get it up.

Good buy that. Some very low prices for Paul Insect, Bast, Faile and Dran! Many below their cost price!!

[Pattycakes]

Apr 11, 2019 15:46:37 GMT 1 Shoot Again said:

Apr 10, 2019 3:13:42 GMT 1 met said:

In case any member is considering bidding later today on Lot 469 or Lot 470 — two drawings attributed to Keith Haring — I would discourage them from doing so.

My view is that both are fake and should be withdrawn.


LOT 469




Lot details

Attributed to Keith Haring (American 1958-1990), untitled, 1986, three figures jumping, original drawing on paper, signed and dated in pen; 32.5 x 23.5cm inc frame

www.tateward.com/auction/lot/469-Attributed-to-Keith-Haring-American-1958-1990-untitled-1986/?lot=803&so=0&st=469



LOT 470




Lot details

Attributed to Keith Haring (American 1958-1990), untitled, 1986, three figures on a skate board, original drawing on paper, signed and dated in pen; 23.5 x 32.5cm inc frame

www.tateward.com/auction/lot/470-Attributed-to-Keith-Haring-American-1958-1990-untitled-1986/?lot=802&so=0&st=470


__________


Personal confidence level regarding inauthenticity: Quite certain, to the point where I don't even have to examine documentation that may accompany the works.


What "Quite certain" also means in my case can be illustrated as follows:

-   If being right meant I'd win £10,000 and being wrong meant I'd be executed on the spot, I would refuse such a bet.

-   But if being right meant I'd win £10,000 and being wrong meant I'd lose £100,000 (and perhaps be forced to sell my home), I'd feel comfortable accepting that bet.

__________


The above position is based on different reasons — including in relation to choice of drawn imagery, style of the figures, linework and quality of the drawings, purported year of creation, and a signature issue (still allowing for known variations in the artist's signature).

Individually, the red flags about authenticity already range from curious or odd to highly suspicious or implausible. And when these red flags are then considered in aggregate, I'm convinced the situation for Lots 469 and 470 becomes irremediable.


Although specifics were withheld in this post to avoid helping scammers produce more convincing fakes in the future, a detailed and comprehensive courtesy email has been sent to Tate Ward for its consideration.

Hammered £4,400 & £4,000 ... ouch 

I agree these and the Warhol should have been withdrawn, they changed the cataloguing to attributed to, which mean in the opinion of the house the works were by said artist but were without provenance.  These were outright fakes and a feel very sorry for the buyers who have lost a great deal of money. 

[.dappy]

Apr 11, 2019 15:35:30 GMT 1 Shoot Again said:

www.tateward.com/auction/search?au=2&sd=2&pp=96&so=4&pn=1

... people probably missed this link from shoot ... but here are the full auction results ...

[Cocteau 101]

Is that the final selling price or does buyers premium plus VAT need to be added.

[Cocteau 101]

Also strong sales for Nick Walker

[jbelleit]

dang...3000 pounds for Pejac's Seppuku. I should have entered this auction...

[daniel3886]

Apr 11, 2019 19:01:42 GMT 1 Cocteau 101 said:

Is that the final selling price or does buyers premium plus VAT need to be added.

Buyers premium, vat and arr (where applicable) need to be added to get the final total. 25% 5% and 4% respectively.

[avec art]

strange that some of the Banksy prints failed to sell, I suppose low estimate wasn't reached. Some reasonable prices on ones which did sell. The £50K inc. BP for the Girl With Balloon seems like a strong result.

[daniel3886]

Apr 11, 2019 17:57:17 GMT 1 Pattycakes said:

Apr 11, 2019 15:46:37 GMT 1 Shoot Again said:

Hammered £4,400 & £4,000 ... ouch 

I agree these and the Warhol should have been withdrawn, they changed the cataloguing to attributed to, which mean in the opinion of the house the works were by said artist but were without provenance.  These were outright fakes and a feel very sorry for the buyers who have lost a great deal of money. 

I personally called the buyer of these lots to fully discuss the provenance attatched and the cataloguing. I respect other people’s opinions and they’re completely entitled to express them publicly on this or any of our threads.

Provenance and condition are matters that each buyer must satisfy themselves of prior to bidding and we will always be 100% transparent when dealing with these enquiry’s.

Aftersales are underway and will be open for around a week so please contact [e-mail] with any aftersale enquiries. If you wish to receive a list of unsold lots please sign up to our mailing list we’ll be sending it out tomorrow.

[1970hopper]

daniel3886 

I’m happy to announce the first Urban and Contemporary sale at newly established auction house Tate Ward, will be held at the Truman Brewery in Brick Lane on the 10th Apr. Work will be on view from the 4th Apr.

After 4 successful sales with Chiswick, Nick and I have decided it’s time to set up our own. Our fellow partner is ex Christie’s director Nigel Shorthouse, he brings 22 years of auction and art market experience. Harry Parkinson also joins us as a specialist in the Urban and Contemporary department.


daniel3886

Our aim is to present the best possible selection of work for buyers to consider. Our estimates are a reflection of where we think work is valued. They’re not artificially low to guarantee the house sales or artificially high as that is also counter productive and work will not sell. Buyers should inform themselves about anything they’re considering purchasing. I’ll be happy to assist any buyer with questions about work they’re looking to buy.



Blowpop Record fake. One of the most faked record sleeves 

Attributed to Andy Warhol Campbells Tomato Soup circa 1960s pencil drawing on Studio 54 headed paper. 
Hard to see how you could attribute this to Warhol. Studio 54 headed paper drawings are everywhere .
Fake

The two Keith Haring drawings fake. Have you anything to say about Mets Haring post
sold 4,000 & 4,400 plus 25 percent 10,500.

How long do you think it takes the average worker to earn 10,500 after tax. 

Last question how do you sleep at night 

[1970hopper]

Apr 11, 2019 19:32:14 GMT 1 daniel3886 said:

Apr 11, 2019 17:57:17 GMT 1 Pattycakes said:

I agree these and the Warhol should have been withdrawn, they changed the cataloguing to attributed to, which mean in the opinion of the house the works were by said artist but were without provenance.  These were outright fakes and a feel very sorry for the buyers who have lost a great deal of money. 

I personally called the buyer of these lots to fully discuss the provenance attatched and the cataloguing. I respect other people’s opinions and they’re completely entitled to express them publicly on this or any of our threads.

Provenance and condition are matters that each buyer must satisfy themselves of prior to bidding and we will always be 100% transparent when dealing with these enquiry’s.

Aftersales are underway and will be open for around a week so please contact [e-mail] with any aftersale enquiries. If you wish to receive a list of unsold lots please sign up to our mailing list we’ll be sending it out tomorrow.

bullshit do the house own these. My teenage son could tell these are fake 

[NYart]

If ‘attributed to’ is sufficient for some buyers that fine and well, but from a reputation standpoint I wouldn’t want to sell anything I can’t stand behind and say without reasonable doubt was authentic.

[1970hopper]

Apr 10, 2019 3:13:42 GMT 1 met said:

In case any member is considering bidding later today on Lot 469 or Lot 470 — two drawings attributed to Keith Haring — I would discourage them from doing so.

My view is that both are fake and should be withdrawn.


LOT 469




Lot details

Attributed to Keith Haring (American 1958-1990), untitled, 1986, three figures jumping, original drawing on paper, signed and dated in pen; 32.5 x 23.5cm inc frame

www.tateward.com/auction/lot/469-Attributed-to-Keith-Haring-American-1958-1990-untitled-1986/?lot=803&so=0&st=469



LOT 470




Lot details

Attributed to Keith Haring (American 1958-1990), untitled, 1986, three figures on a skate board, original drawing on paper, signed and dated in pen; 23.5 x 32.5cm inc frame

www.tateward.com/auction/lot/470-Attributed-to-Keith-Haring-American-1958-1990-untitled-1986/?lot=802&so=0&st=470


__________


Personal confidence level regarding inauthenticity: Quite certain, to the point where I don't even have to examine documentation that may accompany the works.


What "Quite certain" also means in my case can be illustrated as follows:

-   If being right meant I'd win £10,000 and being wrong meant I'd be executed on the spot, I would refuse such a bet.

-   But if being right meant I'd win £10,000 and being wrong meant I'd lose £100,000 (and perhaps be forced to sell my home), I'd feel comfortable accepting that bet.

__________


The above position is based on different reasons — including in relation to choice of drawn imagery, style of the figures, linework and quality of the drawings, purported year of creation, and a signature issue (still allowing for known variations in the artist's signature).

Individually, the red flags about authenticity already range from curious or odd to highly suspicious or implausible. And when these red flags are then considered in aggregate, I'm convinced the situation for Lots 469 and 470 becomes irremediable.


Although specifics were withheld in this post to avoid helping scammers produce more convincing fakes in the future, a detailed and comprehensive courtesy email has been sent to Tate Ward for its consideration.

Did Tate Ward answer you

[1970hopper]

Apr 11, 2019 15:46:37 GMT 1 Shoot Again said:

Apr 10, 2019 3:13:42 GMT 1 met said:

In case any member is considering bidding later today on Lot 469 or Lot 470 — two drawings attributed to Keith Haring — I would discourage them from doing so.

My view is that both are fake and should be withdrawn.


LOT 469




Lot details

Attributed to Keith Haring (American 1958-1990), untitled, 1986, three figures jumping, original drawing on paper, signed and dated in pen; 32.5 x 23.5cm inc frame

www.tateward.com/auction/lot/469-Attributed-to-Keith-Haring-American-1958-1990-untitled-1986/?lot=803&so=0&st=469



LOT 470




Lot details

Attributed to Keith Haring (American 1958-1990), untitled, 1986, three figures on a skate board, original drawing on paper, signed and dated in pen; 23.5 x 32.5cm inc frame

www.tateward.com/auction/lot/470-Attributed-to-Keith-Haring-American-1958-1990-untitled-1986/?lot=802&so=0&st=470


__________


Personal confidence level regarding inauthenticity: Quite certain, to the point where I don't even have to examine documentation that may accompany the works.


What "Quite certain" also means in my case can be illustrated as follows:

-   If being right meant I'd win £10,000 and being wrong meant I'd be executed on the spot, I would refuse such a bet.

-   But if being right meant I'd win £10,000 and being wrong meant I'd lose £100,000 (and perhaps be forced to sell my home), I'd feel comfortable accepting that bet.

__________


The above position is based on different reasons — including in relation to choice of drawn imagery, style of the figures, linework and quality of the drawings, purported year of creation, and a signature issue (still allowing for known variations in the artist's signature).

Individually, the red flags about authenticity already range from curious or odd to highly suspicious or implausible. And when these red flags are then considered in aggregate, I'm convinced the situation for Lots 469 and 470 becomes irremediable.


Although specifics were withheld in this post to avoid helping scammers produce more convincing fakes in the future, a detailed and comprehensive courtesy email has been sent to Tate Ward for its consideration.

Hammered £4,400 & £4,000 ... ouch !

Scam hammered by the gavel

[1970hopper]

Apr 11, 2019 20:12:52 GMT 1 NYart said:

If ‘attributed to’ is sufficient for some buyers that fine and well, but from a reputation standpoint I wouldn’t want to sell anything I can’t stand behind and say without reasonable doubt was authentic.

After 4 successful sales with Chiswick, Nick and I have decided it’s time to set up our own. Our fellow partner is ex Christie’s director Nigel Shorthouse, he brings 22 years of auction and art market experience. Harry Parkinson also joins us as a specialist in the Urban and Contemporary department



Did they all agree these were by Haring & Warhol. Not one of them said anything BULLSHIT

[NYart]

Apr 11, 2019 20:33:09 GMT 1 1970hopper said:

Apr 11, 2019 20:12:52 GMT 1 NYart said:

If ‘attributed to’ is sufficient for some buyers that fine and well, but from a reputation standpoint I wouldn’t want to sell anything I can’t stand behind and say without reasonable doubt was authentic.

After 4 successful sales with Chiswick, Nick and I have decided it’s time to set up our own. Our fellow partner is ex Christie’s director Nigel Shorthouse, he brings 22 years of auction and art market experience. Harry Parkinson also joins us as a specialist in the Urban and Contemporary department



Did they all agree these were by Haring & Warhol. Not one of them said anything BULLSHIT

“It doesn’t look right but I can’t say 100% it’s fake, let’s go with ‘attributed to’ to cover our asses.”

[Riotcops]

Apr 10, 2019 22:29:36 GMT 1 witchdoctor said:

Millers best print. Mona Lisa`s small too 

If anyone's willing to pay £9k I'd consider selling mine haha.

[daniel3886]

Apr 11, 2019 20:10:00 GMT 1 1970hopper said:

Apr 11, 2019 19:32:14 GMT 1 daniel3886 said:

I personally called the buyer of these lots to fully discuss the provenance attatched and the cataloguing. I respect other people’s opinions and they’re completely entitled to express them publicly on this or any of our threads.

Provenance and condition are matters that each buyer must satisfy themselves of prior to bidding and we will always be 100% transparent when dealing with these enquiry’s.

Aftersales are underway and will be open for around a week so please contact [e-mail] with any aftersale enquiries. If you wish to receive a list of unsold lots please sign up to our mailing list we’ll be sending it out tomorrow.

bullshit do the house own these. My teenage son could tell these are fake 

The house were not the consigner of this lot. Met and I have spoken in person on this, hence me not replying here. If it appears to you or others I was ignoring him, that isn’t the case.

I respect the knowledge that members here bring to the table and welcome open discussion about any work we are offering. As the foundation will not authenticate work of this kind, neither one of us is ultimately going to know who is correct. Our opinions differ and I’m ok with that.

To address your other point (so you don’t think I’m ignoring you) I will sleep fine.

[1970hopper]

                                                               post by daniel3886 

The house were not the consigner of this lot. Met and I have spoken in person on this, hence me not replying here. If it appears to you or others I was ignoring him, that isn’t the case.

I respect the knowledge that members here bring to the table and welcome open discussion about any work we are offering. As the foundation will not authenticate work of this kind, neither one of us is ultimately going to know who is correct. Our opinions differ and I’m ok with that.

To address your other point (so you don’t think I’m ignoring you) I will sleep fine.




The foundation is closed all auctioneers use that excuse.
If neither one of you know who is correct, why not sell in the manner of Keith Haring.
You took a sucker for over 10,500 for drawings that are worth noting.
Smooth talking wont wash with most users here.
A bad start if you intend to do business here.

 

[daniel3886]

Apr 12, 2019 0:27:36 GMT 1 1970hopper said:

daniel3886

The house were not the consigner of this lot. Met and I have spoken in person on this, hence me not replying here. If it appears to you or others I was ignoring him, that isn’t the case.



I respect the knowledge that members here bring to the table and welcome open discussion about any work we are offering. As the foundation will not authenticate work of this kind, neither one of us is ultimately going to know who is correct. Our opinions differ and I’m ok with that.



To address your other point (so you don’t think I’m ignoring you) I will sleep fine.





The foundation is closed all you auctioneers use that excuse.

If neither one of you know who is correct then why did you not sell in the manner of Keith Haring.

You took a sucker for over 10,500 for drawings that are worth noting.
 
There were some nice lots why ruin it with fake lots. 

All your smooth talking wont wash with most users here.

A bad start if you intend to do business here.

By the way your last point i will sleep fine just tells me you dont give a f**kabout your buyers

 

The foundation being closed is a fact not an excuse.

You misunderstood, the difference of opinion wasn’t within our team it’s between you and I. Our opinions differ I can accept that.

I’m glad you’ve mentioned the nice lots as there were 518 others and we managed to outsell Sotheby’s by 20% on the Chris Levine lenticular not bad for a first outing on our own.

I have been doing business here for over a year now with the same ethos and method of taking in and selling work. It seems to be gaining traction as the sales are becoming progressively larger and total hammer has increased with every sale. The facts do not back up your argument.

If I didn’t give a f*** I wouldn’t have called the buyer and had the conversation I had and given the information I did.

I’ve said all I’m going to say on this publicly, if you wish to continue this discussion feel free to pm me and I will respond.

A massive thank you to everyone involved in yesterday’s sale. We intend to evolve our model to suit the needs of our buyers and sellers moving forward. Feedback is welcome and encouraged. Post here, pm me or mail [e-mail]

[Meskell]

You're going to have a line around the block for those wishing to submit their Crack Downs.

[Carl Cashman]

Paco Pomet was a great purchase for £500

[avec art]

slightly off topic as wasn't sure where to post, but here is some more rather 'interesting' provenance.

'Item comes with a written documentation/provenance describing the exact place and time where the item was picked up.This information will be shared with the winning bidder.'

www.liveauctioneers.com/item/70928771_banksy-graffiti-rats-metal-street-sign-provenance?from=alert&utm_source=SavedAlert&utm_campaign=SearchAlert&utm_medium=email&utm_content=item