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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by F*X on Oct 6, 2020 13:57:51 GMT 1, What was the hammer in HKD ?
What was the hammer in HKD ?
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by Pipes on Oct 6, 2020 13:59:17 GMT 1, I think the sheer size of the piece actually devalues it as there won't be many walls collectors have that will be big enough. Show Me The Monet should easily surpass this result. Keep seeing people writing this - it wont as the person buying it probably lives in a massive house. They dont live in a flat in hackney thats for sure. stop worrying about it.
No free stik poster for them then !
I think the sheer size of the piece actually devalues it as there won't be many walls collectors have that will be big enough. Show Me The Monet should easily surpass this result. Keep seeing people writing this - it wont as the person buying it probably lives in a massive house. They dont live in a flat in hackney thats for sure. stop worrying about it. No free stik poster for them then ! |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 14:00:06 GMT 1, I think the sheer size of the piece actually devalues it as there won't be many walls collectors have that will be big enough. Show Me The Monet should easily surpass this result. Keep seeing people writing this - it wont as the person buying it probably lives in a massive house. They dont live in a flat in hackney thats for sure. stop worrying about it.
I think the sheer size of the piece actually devalues it as there won't be many walls collectors have that will be big enough. Show Me The Monet should easily surpass this result. Keep seeing people writing this - it wont as the person buying it probably lives in a massive house. They dont live in a flat in hackney thats for sure. stop worrying about it. There's "massive house" and there's "we have a 7 metre high internal wall for a picture" house... |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by FΠ― on Oct 6, 2020 14:11:06 GMT 1, Keep seeing people writing this - it wont as the person buying it probably lives in a massive house. They dont live in a flat in hackney thats for sure. stop worrying about it. There's "massive house" and there's "we have a 7 metre high internal wall for a picture" house...
if you spend 8 million on artwork you will find space
Keep seeing people writing this - it wont as the person buying it probably lives in a massive house. They dont live in a flat in hackney thats for sure. stop worrying about it. There's "massive house" and there's "we have a 7 metre high internal wall for a picture" house... if you spend 8 million on artwork you will find space |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by coller on Oct 6, 2020 14:12:09 GMT 1, if someone is spending 8 million on a painting, then they have the money to buy a house for the sole purpose of displaying the painting.
if someone is spending 8 million on a painting, then they have the money to buy a house for the sole purpose of displaying the painting.
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by therivler1 on Oct 6, 2020 14:14:13 GMT 1, those banker friends are really manipulating the market with this one!
those banker friends are really manipulating the market with this one!
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by mehor on Oct 6, 2020 14:22:06 GMT 1, a 70k banksy print would be around 1β% or the sales price of forgive us trespassing
is that a lot?
seems low?!
a 70k banksy print would be around 1β% or the sales price of forgive us trespassing
is that a lot?
seems low?!
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by Carl Cashman Art on Oct 6, 2020 14:29:58 GMT 1, those banker friends are really manipulating the market with this one!
those banker friends are really manipulating the market with this one! How does manipulation work on that scale ? Prints I get, but not a 6m painting. |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by NYart on Oct 6, 2020 14:33:34 GMT 1, a 70k banksy print would be around 1β% or the sales price of forgive us trespassing is that a lot? seems low?!
Would suggest that the prints are over valued, but as we all know the print market is quite crazy. I certainly canβt agree that a AP Girl With Balloon print is worth 1/7th of a 22 foot original.
a 70k banksy print would be around 1β% or the sales price of forgive us trespassing is that a lot? seems low?! Would suggest that the prints are over valued, but as we all know the print market is quite crazy. I certainly canβt agree that a AP Girl With Balloon print is worth 1/7th of a 22 foot original. |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by therivler1 on Oct 6, 2020 14:35:28 GMT 1, those banker friends are really manipulating the market with this one! How does manipulation work on that scale ? Prints I get, but not a 6m painting.
/sarcasm
I'm joking.
those banker friends are really manipulating the market with this one! How does manipulation work on that scale ? Prints I get, but not a 6m painting. They buy this and then sell off their stock of unsigned flags. Bloody brilliant! /sarcasm I'm joking. |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by cmc on Oct 6, 2020 14:42:39 GMT 1, a 70k banksy print would be around 1β% or the sales price of forgive us trespassing is that a lot? seems low?! Would suggest that the prints are over valued, but as we all know the print market is quite crazy. I certainly canβt agree that a AP Girl With Balloon print is worth 1/7th of a 22 foot original.
I would suggest the opposite and have an inkling that in a few years time this will be seen as a bargain.
a 70k banksy print would be around 1β% or the sales price of forgive us trespassing is that a lot? seems low?! Would suggest that the prints are over valued, but as we all know the print market is quite crazy. I certainly canβt agree that a AP Girl With Balloon print is worth 1/7th of a 22 foot original.
I would suggest the opposite and have an inkling that in a few years time this will be seen as a bargain.
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by NYart on Oct 6, 2020 15:10:37 GMT 1, Would suggest that the prints are over valued, but as we all know the print market is quite crazy. I certainly canβt agree that a AP Girl With Balloon print is worth 1/7th of a 22 foot original.
I would suggest the opposite and have an inkling that in a few years time this will be seen as a bargain.
I do agree that 7M for a this piece is a great price all considering. However itβs historically always been originals that set the market, not prints. Prints are outpacing originals in rising prices at the moment, and thatβs not normal or probably healthy. Who in their right mind is spending 1M on a print of which over a hundred exist between different editions, when originals are going for less than 10x?
Would suggest that the prints are over valued, but as we all know the print market is quite crazy. I certainly canβt agree that a AP Girl With Balloon print is worth 1/7th of a 22 foot original.
I would suggest the opposite and have an inkling that in a few years time this will be seen as a bargain.
I do agree that 7M for a this piece is a great price all considering. However itβs historically always been originals that set the market, not prints. Prints are outpacing originals in rising prices at the moment, and thatβs not normal or probably healthy. Who in their right mind is spending 1M on a print of which over a hundred exist between different editions, when originals are going for less than 10x? |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by JockoLad on Oct 6, 2020 15:13:34 GMT 1,
I would suggest the opposite and have an inkling that in a few years time this will be seen as a bargain.
I do agree that 7M for a this piece is a great price all considering. However itβs historically always been originals that set the market, not prints. Prints are outpacing originals in rising prices at the moment, and thatβs not normal or probably healthy. Who in their right mind is spending 1M on a print of which over a hundred exist between different editions, when originals are going for less than 10x? Someone who has a lot of money but not lots and lots of money.
Β£1m buys them the status they crave without bankrupting them.
I would suggest the opposite and have an inkling that in a few years time this will be seen as a bargain.
I do agree that 7M for a this piece is a great price all considering. However itβs historically always been originals that set the market, not prints. Prints are outpacing originals in rising prices at the moment, and thatβs not normal or probably healthy. Who in their right mind is spending 1M on a print of which over a hundred exist between different editions, when originals are going for less than 10x? Someone who has a lot of money but not lots and lots of money.
Β£1m buys them the status they crave without bankrupting them.
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by cmc on Oct 6, 2020 15:15:33 GMT 1,
I would suggest the opposite and have an inkling that in a few years time this will be seen as a bargain.
I do agree that 7M for a this piece is a great price all considering. However itβs historically always been originals that set the market, not prints. Prints are outpacing originals in rising prices at the moment, and thatβs not normal or probably healthy. Who in their right mind is spending 1M on a print of which over a hundred exist between different editions, when originals are going for less than 10x?
Yes good point, it does seem pretty ludicrous when put that way. I wonder what an original stencil GWRB would go for today. Andipa have one for sale.
I would suggest the opposite and have an inkling that in a few years time this will be seen as a bargain.
I do agree that 7M for a this piece is a great price all considering. However itβs historically always been originals that set the market, not prints. Prints are outpacing originals in rising prices at the moment, and thatβs not normal or probably healthy. Who in their right mind is spending 1M on a print of which over a hundred exist between different editions, when originals are going for less than 10x?
Yes good point, it does seem pretty ludicrous when put that way. I wonder what an original stencil GWRB would go for today. Andipa have one for sale.
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 15:19:14 GMT 1, I do agree that 7M for a this piece is a great price all considering. However itβs historically always been originals that set the market, not prints. Prints are outpacing originals in rising prices at the moment, and thatβs not normal or probably healthy. Who in their right mind is spending 1M on a print of which over a hundred exist between different editions, when originals are going for less than 10x?
Yes good point, it does seem pretty ludicrous when put that way. I wonder what an original stencil GWRB would go for today. Andipa have one for sale.
can you still get an original for Β£200k anymore? Surely not.
I do agree that 7M for a this piece is a great price all considering. However itβs historically always been originals that set the market, not prints. Prints are outpacing originals in rising prices at the moment, and thatβs not normal or probably healthy. Who in their right mind is spending 1M on a print of which over a hundred exist between different editions, when originals are going for less than 10x?
Yes good point, it does seem pretty ludicrous when put that way. I wonder what an original stencil GWRB would go for today. Andipa have one for sale.
It would seem that originals (especially those at the lower end) are seriously undervalued. can you still get an original for Β£200k anymore? Surely not. |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by Skizz 82 on Oct 6, 2020 15:21:03 GMT 1,
I would suggest the opposite and have an inkling that in a few years time this will be seen as a bargain.
I do agree that 7M for a this piece is a great price all considering. However itβs historically always been originals that set the market, not prints. Prints are outpacing originals in rising prices at the moment, and thatβs not normal or probably healthy. Who in their right mind is spending 1M on a print of which over a hundred exist between different editions, when originals are going for less than 10x?
Totally agree.... the difference in terms of price with a GWRB does not equal the real difference between the two artworks
I would suggest the opposite and have an inkling that in a few years time this will be seen as a bargain.
I do agree that 7M for a this piece is a great price all considering. However itβs historically always been originals that set the market, not prints. Prints are outpacing originals in rising prices at the moment, and thatβs not normal or probably healthy. Who in their right mind is spending 1M on a print of which over a hundred exist between different editions, when originals are going for less than 10x? Totally agree.... the difference in terms of price with a GWRB does not equal the real difference between the two artworks |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by NYart on Oct 6, 2020 15:46:52 GMT 1, I do agree that 7M for a this piece is a great price all considering. However itβs historically always been originals that set the market, not prints. Prints are outpacing originals in rising prices at the moment, and thatβs not normal or probably healthy. Who in their right mind is spending 1M on a print of which over a hundred exist between different editions, when originals are going for less than 10x? Someone who has a lot of money but not lots and lots of money.
Β£1m buys them the status they crave without bankrupting them.
Iβm sure those collectors do exist, but it seems to more likely to me, the buyer was either super wealthy and didnβt want to lose the print, or market manipulation. Anyone spending a million on art should be knowledgeable enough of their artists market, comps, editions etc or be paying someone who does, not to buy something at such a poor comparable value.
I do agree that 7M for a this piece is a great price all considering. However itβs historically always been originals that set the market, not prints. Prints are outpacing originals in rising prices at the moment, and thatβs not normal or probably healthy. Who in their right mind is spending 1M on a print of which over a hundred exist between different editions, when originals are going for less than 10x? Someone who has a lot of money but not lots and lots of money.
Β£1m buys them the status they crave without bankrupting them.
Iβm sure those collectors do exist, but it seems to more likely to me, the buyer was either super wealthy and didnβt want to lose the print, or market manipulation. Anyone spending a million on art should be knowledgeable enough of their artists market, comps, editions etc or be paying someone who does, not to buy something at such a poor comparable value. |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by tab1 on Oct 6, 2020 15:58:14 GMT 1, Someone who has a lot of money but not lots and lots of money.
Β£1m buys them the status they crave without bankrupting them.
Iβm sure those collectors do exist, but it seems to more likely to me, the buyer was either super wealthy and didnβt want to lose the print, or market manipulation. Anyone spending a million on art should be knowledgeable enough of their artists market, comps, editions etc or be paying someone who does, not to buy something at such a poor comparable value.
www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2015/11/18/arts/international/with-modigliani-purchase-chinese-billionaire-liu-yiqian-dreams-of-bigger-canvas.amp.html
There is a documentary where a Japanese buyer bought a 83 mil basquait and he knew nothing of the artist and in the same documentary a buyer buys a 2 mill canvas without know any history of the artist as he just wanted to buy something
The super rich will regain their purchase costs with in a few months through their business profits
A lot are impulse buys , hard to imagine with that kind of money!
Someone who has a lot of money but not lots and lots of money.
Β£1m buys them the status they crave without bankrupting them.
Iβm sure those collectors do exist, but it seems to more likely to me, the buyer was either super wealthy and didnβt want to lose the print, or market manipulation. Anyone spending a million on art should be knowledgeable enough of their artists market, comps, editions etc or be paying someone who does, not to buy something at such a poor comparable value. There is a documentary where a Japanese buyer bought a 83 mil basquait and he knew nothing of the artist and in the same documentary a buyer buys a 2 mill canvas without know any history of the artist as he just wanted to buy something The super rich will regain their purchase costs with in a few months through their business profits A lot are impulse buys , hard to imagine with that kind of money! |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by NYart on Oct 6, 2020 16:04:57 GMT 1, Iβm sure those collectors do exist, but it seems to more likely to me, the buyer was either super wealthy and didnβt want to lose the print, or market manipulation. Anyone spending a million on art should be knowledgeable enough of their artists market, comps, editions etc or be paying someone who does, not to buy something at such a poor comparable value. There is a documentary where a Japanese buyer bought a 83 mil basquait and he knew nothing of the artist and in the same documentary a buyer buys a 2 mill canvas without know any history of the artist as he just wanted to buy something The super rich will regain their purchase costs with in a few months through their business profits A lot are impulse buys , hard to imagine with that kind of money!
Thats along the lines of what I was thinking with the βsuper wealthy and didnβt want to loseβ. Part ego part not caring about how much they paid lol
Iβm sure those collectors do exist, but it seems to more likely to me, the buyer was either super wealthy and didnβt want to lose the print, or market manipulation. Anyone spending a million on art should be knowledgeable enough of their artists market, comps, editions etc or be paying someone who does, not to buy something at such a poor comparable value. There is a documentary where a Japanese buyer bought a 83 mil basquait and he knew nothing of the artist and in the same documentary a buyer buys a 2 mill canvas without know any history of the artist as he just wanted to buy something The super rich will regain their purchase costs with in a few months through their business profits A lot are impulse buys , hard to imagine with that kind of money! Thats along the lines of what I was thinking with the βsuper wealthy and didnβt want to loseβ. Part ego part not caring about how much they paid lol |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by tab1 on Oct 6, 2020 16:12:40 GMT 1, Thats along the lines of what I was thinking with the βsuper wealthy and didnβt want to loseβ. Part ego part not caring about how much they paid lol
It is competition, in those circles they all know each other mostly and their collections or just ocd of a higher scale π
Thats along the lines of what I was thinking with the βsuper wealthy and didnβt want to loseβ. Part ego part not caring about how much they paid lol It is competition, in those circles they all know each other mostly and their collections or just ocd of a higher scale π |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 16:26:51 GMT 1, Maybe that flags print on the sales thread will sell now?π¬
Whoever got it is very happy..
Maybe that flags print on the sales thread will sell now?π¬ Think people are forgetting how big this is, while his other stencil canvas are much smaller haha. Whoever got it is very happy.. |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by Emile on Oct 6, 2020 16:34:16 GMT 1, Is this the same one that was available at Lionel Gallery/on display at the MOCO museum in Amsterdam?
Edit: clearly not, that one is much smaller
Is this the same one that was available at Lionel Gallery/on display at the MOCO museum in Amsterdam?
Edit: clearly not, that one is much smaller
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by Lazarus II on Oct 6, 2020 16:41:12 GMT 1, Maybe that flags print on the sales thread will sell now?π¬ Think people are forgetting how big this is, while his other stencil canvas are much smaller haha. Whoever got it is very happy..
are you sure its not a case of big cow, little cowπ€
Maybe that flags print on the sales thread will sell now?π¬ Think people are forgetting how big this is, while his other stencil canvas are much smaller haha. Whoever got it is very happy.. are you sure its not a case of big cow, little cowπ€ |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by anodyne13 on Oct 6, 2020 16:54:28 GMT 1, This piece was an amazing piece to see in person - very very impressive. I wish a museum bought it - their attendance would surely go up and would be great for the public to see. Eli where are you?
This piece was an amazing piece to see in person - very very impressive. I wish a museum bought it - their attendance would surely go up and would be great for the public to see. Eli where are you?
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by medichead on Oct 6, 2020 17:03:24 GMT 1, There's "massive house" and there's "we have a 7 metre high internal wall for a picture" house... if you spend 8 million on artwork you will find space
Yep.
Itβs called a Swiss freeport.
There's "massive house" and there's "we have a 7 metre high internal wall for a picture" house... if you spend 8 million on artwork you will find space Yep. Itβs called a Swiss freeport. |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by cmc on Oct 6, 2020 17:18:50 GMT 1, I'm sure we won't have to wait long
I'm sure we won't have to wait long
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by Pattycakes on Oct 6, 2020 17:23:18 GMT 1, There aren't many at a $1m plus, the Johns Flag, Picasso's Femme Qui Pleure, and also the Minotauromachie and a couple of Edvard Munchs that's pretty much it. Beyond those few single prints are some sets of Warhols, there certainly isn't a single Warhol at the 1m level. I'm pretty certain that the next Gold GWB a.p. will hit $1m.
There aren't many at a $1m plus, the Johns Flag, Picasso's Femme Qui Pleure, and also the Minotauromachie and a couple of Edvard Munchs that's pretty much it. Beyond those few single prints are some sets of Warhols, there certainly isn't a single Warhol at the 1m level. I'm pretty certain that the next Gold GWB a.p. will hit $1m. |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by Viscount Jerkoff on Oct 6, 2020 17:44:28 GMT 1, I think the sheer size of the piece actually devalues it as there won't be many walls collectors have that will be big enough. Show Me The Monet should easily surpass this result. Keep seeing people writing this - it wont as the person buying it probably lives in a massive house. They dont live in a flat in hackney thats for sure. stop worrying about it.
Seeing it in person, there really are not many places with ceilings that high. It certainly limited the pool of buyers I think. Show me the Monet is beautiful and big and very wall friendly, i e over that to go for over Β£10mil.
I think the sheer size of the piece actually devalues it as there won't be many walls collectors have that will be big enough. Show Me The Monet should easily surpass this result. Keep seeing people writing this - it wont as the person buying it probably lives in a massive house. They dont live in a flat in hackney thats for sure. stop worrying about it. Seeing it in person, there really are not many places with ceilings that high. It certainly limited the pool of buyers I think. Show me the Monet is beautiful and big and very wall friendly, i e over that to go for over Β£10mil. |
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