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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by lee3 on Mar 16, 2016 16:17:50 GMT 1, >>>This is Sotheby's, not Julien's or Dickinson's Real Deal, they will have PC certs.<<<
I concur
>>>This is Sotheby's, not Julien's or Dickinson's Real Deal, they will have PC certs.<<<
I concur
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by Black Apple Art on Mar 16, 2016 18:15:20 GMT 1, Agree @elviswarhol but if it were my money I'd definitely want the PC endorsement and seems most Laz usually offers does have it, which is why it seemed odd that this entire lot didn't. "Gift" pieces with no PC is grey at the very least and an absolute NO NO in every other instance for me. With the volatility of the B / Laz relationship, or lack thereof, I definitely wouldn't feel confident with the possibility of something in the effect of the B camp actually refuting some works. In actually all would probably be fine but for me, why even take the chance unless the piece was seriously discounted which a don't think would happen. What are the facts behind your statement that the works don't have Pest Control COA's? This is Sotheby's, not Julien's or Dickinson's Real Deal, they will have PC certs.
Agree @elviswarhol but if it were my money I'd definitely want the PC endorsement and seems most Laz usually offers does have it, which is why it seemed odd that this entire lot didn't. "Gift" pieces with no PC is grey at the very least and an absolute NO NO in every other instance for me. With the volatility of the B / Laz relationship, or lack thereof, I definitely wouldn't feel confident with the possibility of something in the effect of the B camp actually refuting some works. In actually all would probably be fine but for me, why even take the chance unless the piece was seriously discounted which a don't think would happen. What are the facts behind your statement that the works don't have Pest Control COA's? This is Sotheby's, not Julien's or Dickinson's Real Deal, they will have PC certs. In all their other B auctions they list under Authentication: "Authenticated by Pest Control Office", with these pieces there is no "Authentication" title and only the "Provenance" title with "Acquired directly from the artist" or "Private Collection (gift from the artist) I'd say they do not have PC or they would be doing the pieces a massive disservice by leaving that out and they never have before. |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 18:21:18 GMT 1, What are the facts behind your statement that the works don't have Pest Control COA's? This is Sotheby's, not Julien's or Dickinson's Real Deal, they will have PC certs. In all their other B auctions they list under Authentication: "Authenticated by Pest Control Office", with these pieces there is no "Authentication" title and only the "Provenance" title with "Acquired directly from the artist" or "Private Collection (gift from the artist) I'd say they do not have PC or they would be doing the pieces a massive disservice by leaving that out and they never have before.
To think - let alone make a statement of it as fact - that these pieces do not have PC authentication is extremely naive.
What are the facts behind your statement that the works don't have Pest Control COA's? This is Sotheby's, not Julien's or Dickinson's Real Deal, they will have PC certs. In all their other B auctions they list under Authentication: "Authenticated by Pest Control Office", with these pieces there is no "Authentication" title and only the "Provenance" title with "Acquired directly from the artist" or "Private Collection (gift from the artist) I'd say they do not have PC or they would be doing the pieces a massive disservice by leaving that out and they never have before. It's not an auction. To think - let alone make a statement of it as fact - that these pieces do not have PC authentication is extremely naive. |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by lee3 on Mar 16, 2016 18:25:59 GMT 1, >>> I'd say they do not have PC or they would be doing the pieces a massive disservice by leaving that out and they never have before. <<<
They may do the latter, they would never do the former. The BME was withdrawn from Phillips recently anyway and it had a COA. For years there has been discussion and numerous observations at this site that the cutout monkey on canvas surprisingly had a COA. So, we already know for certain that 2/3 are good to go. It's no reach to suggest the flag is good either (it's in wall & piece) as we'll never see a work sans COA for sale at Christie's/Sotheby's/Phillips/Bonhams. If it doesn't it would be pulled from exhibition/auction as the risk of reputation far outweighs the comparatively tiny reward from any potential sale.
>>> I'd say they do not have PC or they would be doing the pieces a massive disservice by leaving that out and they never have before. <<<
They may do the latter, they would never do the former. The BME was withdrawn from Phillips recently anyway and it had a COA. For years there has been discussion and numerous observations at this site that the cutout monkey on canvas surprisingly had a COA. So, we already know for certain that 2/3 are good to go. It's no reach to suggest the flag is good either (it's in wall & piece) as we'll never see a work sans COA for sale at Christie's/Sotheby's/Phillips/Bonhams. If it doesn't it would be pulled from exhibition/auction as the risk of reputation far outweighs the comparatively tiny reward from any potential sale.
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 18:26:35 GMT 1, BME does have pest control so does the monkey
Here's a similar flag with coa paddle8.com/work/banksy/43105-people-who-enjoy-waving-flags#
I'd say they all have COA's don't think th auction are that stupid to sale them without in this day and age
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by Black Apple Art on Mar 16, 2016 18:49:45 GMT 1, >>> I'd say they do not have PC or they would be doing the pieces a massive disservice by leaving that out and they never have before. <<< They may do the latter, they would never do the former. The BME was withdrawn from Phillips recently anyway and it had a COA. For years there has been discussion and numerous observations at this site that the cutout monkey on canvas surprisingly had a COA. So, we already know for certain that 2/3 are good to go. It's no reach to suggest the flag is good either (it's in wall & piece) as we'll never see a work sans COA for sale at Christie's/Sotheby's/Phillips/Bonhams. If it doesn't it would be pulled from exhibition/auction as the risk of reputation far outweighs the comparatively tiny reward from any potential sale.
>>> I'd say they do not have PC or they would be doing the pieces a massive disservice by leaving that out and they never have before. <<< They may do the latter, they would never do the former. The BME was withdrawn from Phillips recently anyway and it had a COA. For years there has been discussion and numerous observations at this site that the cutout monkey on canvas surprisingly had a COA. So, we already know for certain that 2/3 are good to go. It's no reach to suggest the flag is good either (it's in wall & piece) as we'll never see a work sans COA for sale at Christie's/Sotheby's/Phillips/Bonhams. If it doesn't it would be pulled from exhibition/auction as the risk of reputation far outweighs the comparatively tiny reward from any potential sale. True lee3 , I wasn't aware the Monkey piece was the one pasted on canvas. Saw that one in person two years ago at Basel and was stunned it had a COA. Owner is actually the one who cut it out and fastened to the canvas. I'd guess they must be a pretty close friend or was owed a BIG one! |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by pollz66 on Mar 17, 2016 18:45:52 GMT 1, Banksy has no interest in the secondary market because he declines to interact on any commercial level with the rest of the art world. He hasn't instigated much - if any - activity on the primary market these past few year either. It's naive to think that Laz isn't instrumental in driving the value of Banksy on all levels. And as much as Banksy may not approve of what Lazarides now does, we wouldn't be having this conversation if Laz hadn't been at the helm, both before and after the split. Well let's look at the statement "It's naive to think that Laz isn't instrumental in driving the value of Banksy on all levels." for a sec. Banksy's value / pricing is simply a factor of supply and demand. His demand has been ever rising due to his being active, current and visible with his clever and meaningful intermittent global works as well as his major productions like BOTI and Dismaland. The supply is largely out of proportion to demand simply because he no longer does public releases and hasn't for 6 years now. Simply, Laz has nothing to do with any of those factors and while he may have contributed to some degree over a decade ago and brings works to auction from time to time, he absolutely is not "instrumental in driving the value of Banksy on all levels" and honestly don't see how he is a factor on any level presently. His past work with him is exactly that, that past. As far is his current affect... If anything stands out with Banksy and Laz now it would be Laz's intermittent B social media cheap shots and emotional meltdowns only to be followed by his endless posting of historic Banksy images to remind everyone (his 4k follower demographic) why he's still relevant. We can also add his "unauthorized retrospectives" which actually kicked off in 2014 at Sotheby's which was overpriced and went largely unsold. The pieces he still trickles to market have no more affect than pieces the rest of the population brings to market year round so definitely not a factor there either. One thing I can't discount is his B collection as it is probably the best in existence and he holds some truly amazing and important works. Wish the guy the best but this misconception of his current relevance on the B market just had to be expanded upon.
"The auctions high results were reportedly driven by the important provenance of the Lazarides collection. Lazarides has been widely credited not only for the success of Banksy, but also for spearheading the growth of the street art movement in recent years."
Full article here:
news.artnet.com/market/lazarides-banks-691113-for-30-banksy-works-at-bonhams-236762?utm_campaign=artnetnews&utm_source=012915daily&utm_medium=email
Banksy has no interest in the secondary market because he declines to interact on any commercial level with the rest of the art world. He hasn't instigated much - if any - activity on the primary market these past few year either. It's naive to think that Laz isn't instrumental in driving the value of Banksy on all levels. And as much as Banksy may not approve of what Lazarides now does, we wouldn't be having this conversation if Laz hadn't been at the helm, both before and after the split. Well let's look at the statement "It's naive to think that Laz isn't instrumental in driving the value of Banksy on all levels." for a sec. Banksy's value / pricing is simply a factor of supply and demand. His demand has been ever rising due to his being active, current and visible with his clever and meaningful intermittent global works as well as his major productions like BOTI and Dismaland. The supply is largely out of proportion to demand simply because he no longer does public releases and hasn't for 6 years now. Simply, Laz has nothing to do with any of those factors and while he may have contributed to some degree over a decade ago and brings works to auction from time to time, he absolutely is not "instrumental in driving the value of Banksy on all levels" and honestly don't see how he is a factor on any level presently. His past work with him is exactly that, that past. As far is his current affect... If anything stands out with Banksy and Laz now it would be Laz's intermittent B social media cheap shots and emotional meltdowns only to be followed by his endless posting of historic Banksy images to remind everyone (his 4k follower demographic) why he's still relevant. We can also add his "unauthorized retrospectives" which actually kicked off in 2014 at Sotheby's which was overpriced and went largely unsold. The pieces he still trickles to market have no more affect than pieces the rest of the population brings to market year round so definitely not a factor there either. One thing I can't discount is his B collection as it is probably the best in existence and he holds some truly amazing and important works. Wish the guy the best but this misconception of his current relevance on the B market just had to be expanded upon. Here's some more expansion, this time from Artnet on Banksy at Bonhams last year: "The auctions high results were reportedly driven by the important provenance of the Lazarides collection. Lazarides has been widely credited not only for the success of Banksy, but also for spearheading the growth of the street art movement in recent years."Full article here: news.artnet.com/market/lazarides-banks-691113-for-30-banksy-works-at-bonhams-236762?utm_campaign=artnetnews&utm_source=012915daily&utm_medium=email |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by rillo on Mar 22, 2016 4:54:45 GMT 1, All have PC certificates. Their website has been updated.
All have PC certificates. Their website has been updated.
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by Black Apple Art on Mar 22, 2016 7:08:32 GMT 1, All have PC certificates. Their website has been updated.
A better pic of the piece from Basel two years ago.
All have PC certificates. Their website has been updated. A better pic of the piece from Basel two years ago. |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 14:45:36 GMT 1, What are the facts behind your statement that the works don't have Pest Control COA's? This is Sotheby's, not Julien's or Dickinson's Real Deal, they will have PC certs. In all their other B auctions they list under Authentication: "Authenticated by Pest Control Office", with these pieces there is no "Authentication" title and only the "Provenance" title with "Acquired directly from the artist" or "Private Collection (gift from the artist) I'd say they do not have PC or they would be doing the pieces a massive disservice by leaving that out and they never have before.
Unless of course, if Lazarides is Banksy.
What are the facts behind your statement that the works don't have Pest Control COA's? This is Sotheby's, not Julien's or Dickinson's Real Deal, they will have PC certs. In all their other B auctions they list under Authentication: "Authenticated by Pest Control Office", with these pieces there is no "Authentication" title and only the "Provenance" title with "Acquired directly from the artist" or "Private Collection (gift from the artist) I'd say they do not have PC or they would be doing the pieces a massive disservice by leaving that out and they never have before. Unless of course, if Lazarides is Banksy. |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by irl1 on Apr 14, 2020 22:18:55 GMT 1,
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by Swishhh on Apr 14, 2020 23:02:00 GMT 1, Epic lot, Kusama Fish takes it for me
Epic lot, Kusama Fish takes it for me |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by rootona on Apr 16, 2020 7:16:14 GMT 1, Why the Kaws karimoku is not on the list anymore?
Why the Kaws karimoku is not on the list anymore?
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It is strange that the kaws karimoku is not on the list. The highest bet was higher than the reserve. |
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It is strange that the kaws karimoku is not on the list. The highest bet was higher than the reserve. Maybe withdrawn not sure |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by Catman 74 on Apr 16, 2020 13:06:48 GMT 1, Nara is off the charts at auction these days.
Nara is off the charts at auction these days.
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by Catman 74 on Apr 16, 2020 14:02:31 GMT 1, Don't even want to think..:-)))
Don't even want to think..:-)))
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by irl1 on Apr 16, 2020 16:22:12 GMT 1, According to fakekawsbust on ig, it was withdrawn because it was fake
Oh dear hard to get good staff these days 
According to fakekawsbust on ig, it was withdrawn because it was fake Oh dear hard to get good staff these days |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by sharky on Sept 18, 2020 15:15:16 GMT 1, This is massive!
This is massive!
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by pollz66 on Oct 6, 2020 12:51:27 GMT 1, Is there anyway to make tv screen bigger
Is there anyway to make tv screen bigger Click on the square brackets on the bottom right of the live auction screen. |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by atomone on Oct 6, 2020 12:54:26 GMT 1, Cheers, might watch that! How nice is that peace!!
Cheers, might watch that! How nice is that peace!!
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by GMA on Oct 6, 2020 13:25:35 GMT 1, I'd get wound up working in that sort of environment, how many times does he have to repeat the amount.
I'd get wound up working in that sort of environment, how many times does he have to repeat the amount.
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Sotheby's Art Auctions β’ HONG KONG ππ°, by The Italian One on Oct 6, 2020 13:27:58 GMT 1, it is going to be fun..
it is going to be fun..
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