11
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by 11 on Feb 17, 2017 16:48:10 GMT 1, If the buyer wanted you to mark it as low value and claimed he would take the risk then he should have sent the payment as a friends / family Payment - that's the only way you could have guaranteed you would have no come back.
He's obviously reneged on his word and from PayPal's perspective you won't have a leg to stand on, they are merciless.
There's absolutely no reason why you can't publish his forum name
Wrt courier insurance - in relation to art, covers loss only. Show me a single courier whose insurance covers art damage. Furthermore they will not touch glass at all. Specialist services are available but would need to be crated, A-framed and shock sensored up.....to be fully covered the courier will normally have to inspect the work themselves too
If the buyer wanted you to mark it as low value and claimed he would take the risk then he should have sent the payment as a friends / family Payment - that's the only way you could have guaranteed you would have no come back.
He's obviously reneged on his word and from PayPal's perspective you won't have a leg to stand on, they are merciless.
There's absolutely no reason why you can't publish his forum name
Wrt courier insurance - in relation to art, covers loss only. Show me a single courier whose insurance covers art damage. Furthermore they will not touch glass at all. Specialist services are available but would need to be crated, A-framed and shock sensored up.....to be fully covered the courier will normally have to inspect the work themselves too
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bustart
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by bustart on Feb 17, 2017 17:05:12 GMT 1, You have to stop thinking of it as a good deed. The buyer asked you to commit fraud. YOU actually committed fraud. whilst i quite obviously dislike paying taxes as much as everyone else, they're a necessary evil, and the constant chat on here about avoiding paying it when buying prints from abroad is plain selfish. maybe think about it next time you need medical treatment, or free education for your children... i agree on high value items even if i dont think the import tax supports my healthcare... but if i order something for a value of 51 euros to Swiss i dont see why i should pay 26.- on top especially if 20.- of it is for handling costs... and at the same time i can import goods for 300.- with no tax if i cross the border in person... for me thats to rip off the small ppl
You have to stop thinking of it as a good deed. The buyer asked you to commit fraud. YOU actually committed fraud. whilst i quite obviously dislike paying taxes as much as everyone else, they're a necessary evil, and the constant chat on here about avoiding paying it when buying prints from abroad is plain selfish. maybe think about it next time you need medical treatment, or free education for your children... i agree on high value items even if i dont think the import tax supports my healthcare... but if i order something for a value of 51 euros to Swiss i dont see why i should pay 26.- on top especially if 20.- of it is for handling costs... and at the same time i can import goods for 300.- with no tax if i cross the border in person... for me thats to rip off the small ppl
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nobokov
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by nobokov on Feb 17, 2017 18:36:59 GMT 1, I'd recommend that he reship the print back to you at his cost. You'll have a damaged print, he'll have lost on shipping and time, and you'll both have learned a lesson. I think that's a fair resolution and would reflect better on the buyer.
Otherwise, post his account name. He'll likely change it anyway by creating a new account, but I think we all know that he's located in Japan - not many members from there.
I'd recommend that he reship the print back to you at his cost. You'll have a damaged print, he'll have lost on shipping and time, and you'll both have learned a lesson. I think that's a fair resolution and would reflect better on the buyer.
Otherwise, post his account name. He'll likely change it anyway by creating a new account, but I think we all know that he's located in Japan - not many members from there.
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.dappy
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by .dappy on Feb 17, 2017 19:08:07 GMT 1, ...Gulosten you can give the members forum name ...
... Gulosten you can give the members forum name ...
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by tobeannounced on Feb 17, 2017 19:21:52 GMT 1, If you don't want to do what others have suggested, do this: (it will work, but it sucks)
1. Withdraw all your money from PayPal
2. Close the bank account connected to your account
3. Cancel the credit card connected to your account
Paypal will try to force through a chargeback from your bank account, they won't be able to. They won't do anything about it, and the other guy will never get his money back.
I know it sucks, I know its unethical and everything, but fuck it, you do what you gotta do.
If you don't want to do what others have suggested, do this: (it will work, but it sucks)
1. Withdraw all your money from PayPal
2. Close the bank account connected to your account
3. Cancel the credit card connected to your account
Paypal will try to force through a chargeback from your bank account, they won't be able to. They won't do anything about it, and the other guy will never get his money back.
I know it sucks, I know its unethical and everything, but fuck it, you do what you gotta do.
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simona
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by simona on Feb 17, 2017 20:23:14 GMT 1, PayPal does sometime rule in favour of the seller. They ruled in my favour when I sold a pair of sunglasses, that the buyer claimed had been damaged before I sent them (not damaged in the post).
It isn't clear if the buyer sent you the money as payment for goods, or if it was a transfer between friends or family. If it was for goods, then you might be lucky if you can prove that you packaged it correctly and the damage wasn't there before you sent it. If the payment was sent as a transfer between friends and family, then I don't think you'll have a case.
In this case, it looks as though the buyer is only trying the Paypal refund route as there is no shipping insurance. Make that clear to Paypal.
As the shipping has been done through a 3rd party, I don't think Paypal can use that against you. All they can do is look at the facts of the transaction, and they may rule in your favour.
Make sure you reply promptly, clearly and politely to all correspondence with the buyer and Paypal. Also try and negotiate some more and send Paypal all evidence.
Good luck.
PayPal does sometime rule in favour of the seller. They ruled in my favour when I sold a pair of sunglasses, that the buyer claimed had been damaged before I sent them (not damaged in the post).
It isn't clear if the buyer sent you the money as payment for goods, or if it was a transfer between friends or family. If it was for goods, then you might be lucky if you can prove that you packaged it correctly and the damage wasn't there before you sent it. If the payment was sent as a transfer between friends and family, then I don't think you'll have a case.
In this case, it looks as though the buyer is only trying the Paypal refund route as there is no shipping insurance. Make that clear to Paypal.
As the shipping has been done through a 3rd party, I don't think Paypal can use that against you. All they can do is look at the facts of the transaction, and they may rule in your favour.
Make sure you reply promptly, clearly and politely to all correspondence with the buyer and Paypal. Also try and negotiate some more and send Paypal all evidence.
Good luck.
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by SturbanHasSaggyTits on Feb 17, 2017 20:37:09 GMT 1, Not a nice situation to be in with such big sums of money involved. There seems to be a lot of dodgy dealings happening here recently. Unless there are a few members backing 'good dealings' with sellers or buyers, then tread very carefully ie. no gift payments/bank transfers and fully disclose value of item. Like others have said, carefully read all the insurance terms to make sure you're covered. I would try hard and get a deal done with the buyer to at least get your print back. Someone here a few months back had a similar situation and PayPal refunded the buyer and the print was never returned. Good luck!
Not a nice situation to be in with such big sums of money involved. There seems to be a lot of dodgy dealings happening here recently. Unless there are a few members backing 'good dealings' with sellers or buyers, then tread very carefully ie. no gift payments/bank transfers and fully disclose value of item. Like others have said, carefully read all the insurance terms to make sure you're covered. I would try hard and get a deal done with the buyer to at least get your print back. Someone here a few months back had a similar situation and PayPal refunded the buyer and the print was never returned. Good luck!
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markj113
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by markj113 on Feb 17, 2017 21:24:34 GMT 1, May be worth considering bitcoin for payments in the future.
Irreversible payment method and no fees when dealing with foreign transactions.
Easy to convert back to cash on localbitcoins.com.
May be worth considering bitcoin for payments in the future.
Irreversible payment method and no fees when dealing with foreign transactions.
Easy to convert back to cash on localbitcoins.com.
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nobokov
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by nobokov on Feb 17, 2017 21:33:37 GMT 1, Did the guy even send pictures of the damage? Maybe it was falsified?
Did the guy even send pictures of the damage? Maybe it was falsified?
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Press Play
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by Press Play on Feb 18, 2017 13:05:58 GMT 1, I have experience with a few cases like this as a buyer. When a buyer demands money back he has to return the item at his cost. So worst case scenario should be that you get your print back and have to get it restored yourself.
I have experience with a few cases like this as a buyer. When a buyer demands money back he has to return the item at his cost. So worst case scenario should be that you get your print back and have to get it restored yourself.
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tartarus
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by tartarus on Feb 18, 2017 14:09:46 GMT 1, I have experience with a few cases like this as a buyer. When a buyer demands money back he has to return the item at his cost. So worst case scenario should be that you get your print back and have to get it restored yourself. As said above, we saw a case before where returning the item wasnt a requirement for paypal. So seems that may have changed.
I have experience with a few cases like this as a buyer. When a buyer demands money back he has to return the item at his cost. So worst case scenario should be that you get your print back and have to get it restored yourself. As said above, we saw a case before where returning the item wasnt a requirement for paypal. So seems that may have changed.
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Gulosten
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by Gulosten on Feb 21, 2017 10:44:25 GMT 1, Got an automatic generated reply by paypal that the buyer will get a full refund, he will also get 340 GBP that I paid in shipping back. Called paypal Norway, they said right out that the had not even read all the documentation received by me.. I received the mail from Paypal in the middle of the night Norwegian time, even though Paypal Norway said they themselves looked into each case.. Complete BS..
The buyer has said that he will ship the print back. The damage was minor, so I will have the print restored mint by the restorer at the Munch-museum. The whole case will still end up costing me 1000 GBP..
The lesson is; Always secure yourself 100% and never trust an unknown buyer/seller..
Got an automatic generated reply by paypal that the buyer will get a full refund, he will also get 340 GBP that I paid in shipping back. Called paypal Norway, they said right out that the had not even read all the documentation received by me.. I received the mail from Paypal in the middle of the night Norwegian time, even though Paypal Norway said they themselves looked into each case.. Complete BS.. The buyer has said that he will ship the print back. The damage was minor, so I will have the print restored mint by the restorer at the Munch-museum. The whole case will still end up costing me 1000 GBP.. The lesson is; Always secure yourself 100% and never trust an unknown buyer/seller..
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Viking Surfer
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by Viking Surfer on Feb 21, 2017 11:03:08 GMT 1, Got an automatic generated reply by paypal that the buyer will get a full refund, he will also get 340 GBP that I paid in shipping back. Called paypal Norway, they said right out that the had not even read all the documentation received by me.. I received the mail from Paypal in the middle of the night Norwegian time, even though Paypal Norway said they themselves looked into each case.. Complete BS.. The buyer has said that he will ship the print back. The damage was minor, so I will have the print restored mint by the restorer at the Munch-museum. The whole case will still end up costing me 1000 GBP.. The lesson is; Always secure yourself 100% and never trust an unknown buyer/seller.. Sorry to hear that pal. You should definitely name the forum member in the bad / poor dealings thread.
Expensive lessons learnt sadly. I've shipped works with low value internationally, but never shipped artwork framed unless its plexi and in a crate with a specialised service.
Got an automatic generated reply by paypal that the buyer will get a full refund, he will also get 340 GBP that I paid in shipping back. Called paypal Norway, they said right out that the had not even read all the documentation received by me.. I received the mail from Paypal in the middle of the night Norwegian time, even though Paypal Norway said they themselves looked into each case.. Complete BS.. The buyer has said that he will ship the print back. The damage was minor, so I will have the print restored mint by the restorer at the Munch-museum. The whole case will still end up costing me 1000 GBP.. The lesson is; Always secure yourself 100% and never trust an unknown buyer/seller.. Sorry to hear that pal. You should definitely name the forum member in the bad / poor dealings thread. Expensive lessons learnt sadly. I've shipped works with low value internationally, but never shipped artwork framed unless its plexi and in a crate with a specialised service.
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by SturbanHasSaggyTits on Feb 21, 2017 11:12:55 GMT 1, Got an automatic generated reply by paypal that the buyer will get a full refund, he will also get 340 GBP that I paid in shipping back. Called paypal Norway, they said right out that the had not even read all the documentation received by me.. I received the mail from Paypal in the middle of the night Norwegian time, even though Paypal Norway said they themselves looked into each case.. Complete BS.. The buyer has said that he will ship the print back. The damage was minor, so I will have the print restored mint by the restorer at the Munch-museum. The whole case will still end up costing me 1000 GBP.. The lesson is; Always secure yourself 100% and never trust an unknown buyer/seller..
Not sure if you read my earlier post about a similar situation to a member here that never received his print back and the buyer was refunded. I would confirm with PayPal to make sure that no refund will given to buyer until the print has been returned. Also you should video the parcel being signed for and opened by yourself. There are many cases when scammers send empty parcels. PayPal should refund the buyer once tracking shows is been delivered, although if you look through some of these posts, it's not always the case www.paypal-community.com/t5/Holds-reversals-reserves/Paypal-refunded-buyer-but-returned-item-not-received/td-p/462263?profile.language=en-gb As others have said, you certainly should name the member here.
Got an automatic generated reply by paypal that the buyer will get a full refund, he will also get 340 GBP that I paid in shipping back. Called paypal Norway, they said right out that the had not even read all the documentation received by me.. I received the mail from Paypal in the middle of the night Norwegian time, even though Paypal Norway said they themselves looked into each case.. Complete BS.. The buyer has said that he will ship the print back. The damage was minor, so I will have the print restored mint by the restorer at the Munch-museum. The whole case will still end up costing me 1000 GBP.. The lesson is; Always secure yourself 100% and never trust an unknown buyer/seller.. Not sure if you read my earlier post about a similar situation to a member here that never received his print back and the buyer was refunded. I would confirm with PayPal to make sure that no refund will given to buyer until the print has been returned. Also you should video the parcel being signed for and opened by yourself. There are many cases when scammers send empty parcels. PayPal should refund the buyer once tracking shows is been delivered, although if you look through some of these posts, it's not always the case www.paypal-community.com/t5/Holds-reversals-reserves/Paypal-refunded-buyer-but-returned-item-not-received/td-p/462263?profile.language=en-gbAs others have said, you certainly should name the member here.
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by Happy Shopper on Feb 21, 2017 11:24:05 GMT 1, Got an automatic generated reply by paypal that the buyer will get a full refund, he will also get 340 GBP that I paid in shipping back. Called paypal Norway, they said right out that the had not even read all the documentation received by me.. I received the mail from Paypal in the middle of the night Norwegian time, even though Paypal Norway said they themselves looked into each case.. Complete BS.. The buyer has said that he will ship the print back. The damage was minor, so I will have the print restored mint by the restorer at the Munch-museum. The whole case will still end up costing me 1000 GBP.. The lesson is; Always secure yourself 100% and never trust an unknown buyer/seller.. Sad to hear that. Can you still make a claim for the lesser amount? Would be interesting to see whether insurance covers damage at all, as others have suggested!?
Got an automatic generated reply by paypal that the buyer will get a full refund, he will also get 340 GBP that I paid in shipping back. Called paypal Norway, they said right out that the had not even read all the documentation received by me.. I received the mail from Paypal in the middle of the night Norwegian time, even though Paypal Norway said they themselves looked into each case.. Complete BS.. The buyer has said that he will ship the print back. The damage was minor, so I will have the print restored mint by the restorer at the Munch-museum. The whole case will still end up costing me 1000 GBP.. The lesson is; Always secure yourself 100% and never trust an unknown buyer/seller.. Sad to hear that. Can you still make a claim for the lesser amount? Would be interesting to see whether insurance covers damage at all, as others have suggested!?
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Art Fan 2011
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by Art Fan 2011 on Feb 21, 2017 11:36:44 GMT 1, Paypal will refund him now,they will not wait for the parcel to be returned. As always they side with the buyer, good old paypal, ans shame on the forum member involved - please tell us who it was so no one else has to deal with them!
As another member mentioned, ensure you can absolutely prove that the parcel has been returned to you to avoid any further hassle!
Paypal will refund him now,they will not wait for the parcel to be returned. As always they side with the buyer, good old paypal, ans shame on the forum member involved - please tell us who it was so no one else has to deal with them!
As another member mentioned, ensure you can absolutely prove that the parcel has been returned to you to avoid any further hassle!
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by grief on Feb 21, 2017 11:47:41 GMT 1, Reading stuff like this fills me with fear to ever buy or sell anything to anyone. So many thing can go wrong. Sad to hear Mr. Gulosten
Reading stuff like this fills me with fear to ever buy or sell anything to anyone. So many thing can go wrong. Sad to hear Mr. Gulosten
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by SturbanHasSaggyTits on Feb 21, 2017 11:48:57 GMT 1, Paypal will refund him now,they will not wait for the parcel to be returned. As always they side with the buyer, good old paypal, ans shame on the forum member involved - please tell us who it was so no one else has to deal with them! As another member mentioned, ensure you can absolutely prove that the parcel has been returned to you to avoid any further hassle!
PayPal terms state that the buyer needs to return item, however this does not seem to always be the case. That is why I said I would confirm this with PayPal and if a refund is given and the seller doesn't receive the print, he could then take legal action against PayPal.
5.2 Return of Item to Seller When the Buyer files a Claim for PayPal Buyer Protection because the item received significantly differs from the Seller's item description, the Buyer is required upon request of PayPal to return the item at his own expenses to the Seller or to another person or address as requested by PayPal during the Claim process, as well as to provide appropriate proof of shipment. The proof of shipment needs to contain at least the details required in the PayPal Seller Protection Policy for a proof of shipment of the Seller. PayPal will not request such return if there is the reasonable suspicion that the return of the item would result in a violation of existing law. PayPal reserves the right to request further documentation from the Buyer to support the Claim. The Buyer has to bear any costs that may arise from this request.
Paypal will refund him now,they will not wait for the parcel to be returned. As always they side with the buyer, good old paypal, ans shame on the forum member involved - please tell us who it was so no one else has to deal with them! As another member mentioned, ensure you can absolutely prove that the parcel has been returned to you to avoid any further hassle! PayPal terms state that the buyer needs to return item, however this does not seem to always be the case. That is why I said I would confirm this with PayPal and if a refund is given and the seller doesn't receive the print, he could then take legal action against PayPal. 5.2 Return of Item to Seller When the Buyer files a Claim for PayPal Buyer Protection because the item received significantly differs from the Seller's item description, the Buyer is required upon request of PayPal to return the item at his own expenses to the Seller or to another person or address as requested by PayPal during the Claim process, as well as to provide appropriate proof of shipment. The proof of shipment needs to contain at least the details required in the PayPal Seller Protection Policy for a proof of shipment of the Seller. PayPal will not request such return if there is the reasonable suspicion that the return of the item would result in a violation of existing law. PayPal reserves the right to request further documentation from the Buyer to support the Claim. The Buyer has to bear any costs that may arise from this request.
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tartarus
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by tartarus on Feb 21, 2017 11:59:52 GMT 1, Reading stuff like this fills me with fear to ever buy or sell anything to anyone. So many thing can go wrong. Sad to hear Mr. Gulosten You hear the bad stories, but you are less likely to hear all the good ones. Of which there would be loads on here. It happens here like anywhere. Just try to make sure you deal with stand up members and if it feels sketchy bail it. Face to face is the obvious best way, but not always possible so weigh it up before you deal rather than see a Buyer and just go for it.
Reading stuff like this fills me with fear to ever buy or sell anything to anyone. So many thing can go wrong. Sad to hear Mr. Gulosten You hear the bad stories, but you are less likely to hear all the good ones. Of which there would be loads on here. It happens here like anywhere. Just try to make sure you deal with stand up members and if it feels sketchy bail it. Face to face is the obvious best way, but not always possible so weigh it up before you deal rather than see a Buyer and just go for it.
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by .dappy on Feb 21, 2017 12:21:10 GMT 1, ... Gulosten you can give the members forum name ... ... Gulosten ...
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by Coach on Feb 21, 2017 12:31:40 GMT 1, Reading stuff like this fills me with fear to ever buy or sell anything to anyone. So many thing can go wrong. Sad to hear Mr. Gulosten You hear the bad stories, but you are less likely to hear all the good ones. Of which there would be loads on here. It happens here like anywhere. Just try to make sure you deal with stand up members and if it feels sketchy bail it. Face to face is the obvious best way, but not always possible so weigh it up before you deal rather than see a Buyer and just go for it.ย
This is very true. I've being buying art on here for 10 years, and selling some, and I have to say that on the whole the vast majority of deals have been very smooth. On the couple of occasions that something has gone wrong, the situation has been resolved amicably and to both parties satisfaction. And that is only a couple out of many many deals. That said, I am sorry to hear the OP's woes. Not good at all.
Reading stuff like this fills me with fear to ever buy or sell anything to anyone. So many thing can go wrong. Sad to hear Mr. Gulosten You hear the bad stories, but you are less likely to hear all the good ones. Of which there would be loads on here. It happens here like anywhere. Just try to make sure you deal with stand up members and if it feels sketchy bail it. Face to face is the obvious best way, but not always possible so weigh it up before you deal rather than see a Buyer and just go for it.ย This is very true. I've being buying art on here for 10 years, and selling some, and I have to say that on the whole the vast majority of deals have been very smooth. On the couple of occasions that something has gone wrong, the situation has been resolved amicably and to both parties satisfaction. And that is only a couple out of many many deals. That said, I am sorry to hear the OP's woes. Not good at all.
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by Happy Shopper on Feb 21, 2017 12:46:58 GMT 1, On the whole I've not had trouble with buying, selling or trading (really risky as you're literally just sending valuable items to each other, sometimes internationally!!)
The only issue I ever had was being threatened with a PayPal claim just because the item I sent was taking time to clear customs on their side and the buyer was going away... luckily the piece was delivered ok, but that was worrying!
On the whole I've not had trouble with buying, selling or trading (really risky as you're literally just sending valuable items to each other, sometimes internationally!!)
The only issue I ever had was being threatened with a PayPal claim just because the item I sent was taking time to clear customs on their side and the buyer was going away... luckily the piece was delivered ok, but that was worrying!
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Gulosten
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by Gulosten on Feb 21, 2017 12:49:04 GMT 1, I've sent the seller an e-mail asking him to pay for the shipping and repair of the print, if he does not answer I will name the member
I've sent the seller an e-mail asking him to pay for the shipping and repair of the print, if he does not answer I will name the member
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Jaylove
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by Jaylove on Feb 21, 2017 12:57:12 GMT 1, I have purchased a few items from here and both were unframed and packed in tubes. Went smoothly. That is the only way I'd buy something. I also try to avoid the ridiculous duty that is charged. I don't mind paying the govenrment. I do mind paying the couriers. That said, there is risk involved and I understand that. I feel as a buyer who is asking for a low value/gift that if something happens you should take on the responsibility. It sucks, but to me it's fair. You're buying from a person, not a store.
Think the biggest problem here is shipping a fragile item. I would never buy a framed print and would never ship one either with the way packages are handled. Even then, insurance doesn't always mean you're fully protected either.
Live and learn I guess.
I have purchased a few items from here and both were unframed and packed in tubes. Went smoothly. That is the only way I'd buy something. I also try to avoid the ridiculous duty that is charged. I don't mind paying the govenrment. I do mind paying the couriers. That said, there is risk involved and I understand that. I feel as a buyer who is asking for a low value/gift that if something happens you should take on the responsibility. It sucks, but to me it's fair. You're buying from a person, not a store.
Think the biggest problem here is shipping a fragile item. I would never buy a framed print and would never ship one either with the way packages are handled. Even then, insurance doesn't always mean you're fully protected either.
Live and learn I guess.
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by Morfx on Feb 21, 2017 13:50:21 GMT 1, Cops wont do anything, unless you get unlucky and they will nick you for tax fraud. Dont know if paypal will go direct, but if i were you and wanted to make sure i would remove all cards and accounts etc. But they may have written into the agreement that they still have access. They will probably take it from your ballance leaving you negative and then send a balif after you. No good news to had for you im afraid to say.
I've been left with a negative balance before and I believe I was given 30 days to settle the balance or bailiffs would be the next cause of action incurring further costs...
Cops wont do anything, unless you get unlucky and they will nick you for tax fraud. Dont know if paypal will go direct, but if i were you and wanted to make sure i would remove all cards and accounts etc. But they may have written into the agreement that they still have access. They will probably take it from your ballance leaving you negative and then send a balif after you. No good news to had for you im afraid to say. I've been left with a negative balance before and I believe I was given 30 days to settle the balance or bailiffs would be the next cause of action incurring further costs...
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11
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by 11 on Feb 21, 2017 13:55:57 GMT 1, Hold on.....at least let me get the popcorn
Hold on.....at least let me get the popcorn
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11
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February 2011
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by 11 on Feb 21, 2017 17:34:15 GMT 1, Does anyone include disclaimer/terms when paying for something via paypal? I've been wondering whether a simple line referencing the releavnt sales thread on this board would help bolster a case (in terms of artwork condition specified etc). By using paypal's services you agree to abide by their terms - they won't allow side-bar arrangements.
Why, if theres an agreement not to return the item even if damaged, is it so illogical to have a payment made in a form where the buyer isn't able to recover it. No agreement by PM, email or anything else is going to cover you and its naive to think so.
......and for the OP; if you felt the need to post a random full name without any other information then what is wrong with that?.....i could post John Brown, Michael Jackson or Tony Blair......who cares, means feck-all so go ahead, pop-up a 'random' name and lets get this f**king lynching started.
Does anyone include disclaimer/terms when paying for something via paypal? I've been wondering whether a simple line referencing the releavnt sales thread on this board would help bolster a case (in terms of artwork condition specified etc). By using paypal's services you agree to abide by their terms - they won't allow side-bar arrangements. Why, if theres an agreement not to return the item even if damaged, is it so illogical to have a payment made in a form where the buyer isn't able to recover it. No agreement by PM, email or anything else is going to cover you and its naive to think so. ......and for the OP; if you felt the need to post a random full name without any other information then what is wrong with that?.....i could post John Brown, Michael Jackson or Tony Blair......who cares, means feck-all so go ahead, pop-up a 'random' name and lets get this f**king lynching started.
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Cornish Crayon
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December 2007
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by Cornish Crayon on Feb 21, 2017 17:48:00 GMT 1, Yeah.!!!!!........like in a Richie and Eddie kinda way (The Gasman)
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Yeah.!!!!!........like in a Richie and Eddie kinda way (The Gasman)
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iamzero
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May 2011
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by iamzero on Feb 21, 2017 19:59:47 GMT 1, Are we tarring and feathering this one too?
Are we tarring and feathering this one too?
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Gulosten
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March 2012
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Forum member trying to scam me through paypal, by Gulosten on Mar 26, 2017 16:09:38 GMT 1, UPDATED:
The forum member, Tao, scammed me and paypal helped him. I waited to go public with his name, because I hoped the situation would be resolved. I've now received the print, and I will take it to the paper restorer at the Edvard Munch Museum and have it fixed, but it will cost me $$$ to make it mint again. I also must cover the shipping costs and the paypal fees.
I would therefore recommend nobody to make deals with the forum member "Tao".
Tao's name is Masumi Ogai and he runs a gallery in Nagoya, Japan called Rat King - rat-king.com/
Evidence of the forum member taking full responsibility for the shipping:
EDITED: Adress/phonenumber removed
UPDATED: The forum member, Tao, scammed me and paypal helped him. I waited to go public with his name, because I hoped the situation would be resolved. I've now received the print, and I will take it to the paper restorer at the Edvard Munch Museum and have it fixed, but it will cost me $$$ to make it mint again. I also must cover the shipping costs and the paypal fees. I would therefore recommend nobody to make deals with the forum member "Tao". Tao's name is Masumi Ogai and he runs a gallery in Nagoya, Japan called Rat King - rat-king.com/Evidence of the forum member taking full responsibility for the shipping: EDITED: Adress/phonenumber removed
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