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Art Wanted, by Mark Perronet on Oct 29, 2013 23:30:49 GMT 1, Elaine Sturtevant check her out..makes you think The obvious difference is she mastered the crafts of painting, sculpture, film, etc. to make copies that were indistinguishable from the originals. That's a bit different than scanning an image and burning a few screens. Part of what made her impressive was her ability to perfectly copy a huge range of styles and mediums. The other part was she did it before the artists were widely recognized, meaning she saw something in their work before it became iconic.
Elaine Sturtevant check her out..makes you think The obvious difference is she mastered the crafts of painting, sculpture, film, etc. to make copies that were indistinguishable from the originals. That's a bit different than scanning an image and burning a few screens. Part of what made her impressive was her ability to perfectly copy a huge range of styles and mediums. The other part was she did it before the artists were widely recognized, meaning she saw something in their work before it became iconic. |
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Art Wanted, by Mark Perronet on Oct 29, 2013 23:36:15 GMT 1, Im not sure how important skills are when we are talking about ideas..you can always get someone else to do it for you if you cant do it yourself..but btw not that easy 'just to burn a few screens'
I said makes you think..and I think it does...about authorship for instance..how important is it..how does it alter the image....
I agree about how she managed to choose artists very early, showed a very good eye..but i dont think ultimately makes any difference to the final work
Im not sure how important skills are when we are talking about ideas..you can always get someone else to do it for you if you cant do it yourself..but btw not that easy 'just to burn a few screens'
I said makes you think..and I think it does...about authorship for instance..how important is it..how does it alter the image....
I agree about how she managed to choose artists very early, showed a very good eye..but i dont think ultimately makes any difference to the final work
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Art Wanted, by Deleted on Oct 29, 2013 23:53:28 GMT 1, Yep. It did make me chuckle that someone thought Banksy himself would be contacting eBay ! I have to admit I'm chuckling a bit myself reading your replies. Ebay policy requires the name of the intellectual property holder in order to pull an item on a copyright claim. "Banksy" is a pseudonym, not a name. If Banksy were form a company, he could authorize Pest Control to legally act on his behalf. But to do so would also require him to divulge his identity. So as it stands, Pest Control would not be able to enforce a copyright claim on his behalf. On a related note, the intellectual property holder is responsible for enforcing any claim under copyright law. If they fail to do so, their work can fall into public domain. As an anonymous entity, he essentially gives up that right unless and until he comes forward. I happen to deal with copyrights every day. But it's the internet. So your assumptions are just as valid as experience and knowledge 
Hmmm somehow I doubt you really deal with copyrights every day but that's fine, really don't worry we all understood what you meant to say but didn't quite get the right words out ; )
Well I stand by my statement that anyone selling his work on (an lets face it anyone who got one on a drop a few years ago knows the score) and makes a massive profit cannot take the moral high ground when they sell theirs on it a massive profit.
Yep. It did make me chuckle that someone thought Banksy himself would be contacting eBay ! I have to admit I'm chuckling a bit myself reading your replies. Ebay policy requires the name of the intellectual property holder in order to pull an item on a copyright claim. "Banksy" is a pseudonym, not a name. If Banksy were form a company, he could authorize Pest Control to legally act on his behalf. But to do so would also require him to divulge his identity. So as it stands, Pest Control would not be able to enforce a copyright claim on his behalf. On a related note, the intellectual property holder is responsible for enforcing any claim under copyright law. If they fail to do so, their work can fall into public domain. As an anonymous entity, he essentially gives up that right unless and until he comes forward. I happen to deal with copyrights every day. But it's the internet. So your assumptions are just as valid as experience and knowledge Hmmm somehow I doubt you really deal with copyrights every day but that's fine, really don't worry we all understood what you meant to say but didn't quite get the right words out ; ) Well I stand by my statement that anyone selling his work on (an lets face it anyone who got one on a drop a few years ago knows the score) and makes a massive profit cannot take the moral high ground when they sell theirs on it a massive profit. |
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Art Wanted, by randomname on Oct 30, 2013 0:26:58 GMT 1, I have to admit I'm chuckling a bit myself reading your replies. Ebay policy requires the name of the intellectual property holder in order to pull an item on a copyright claim. "Banksy" is a pseudonym, not a name. If Banksy were form a company, he could authorize Pest Control to legally act on his behalf. But to do so would also require him to divulge his identity. So as it stands, Pest Control would not be able to enforce a copyright claim on his behalf. On a related note, the intellectual property holder is responsible for enforcing any claim under copyright law. If they fail to do so, their work can fall into public domain. As an anonymous entity, he essentially gives up that right unless and until he comes forward. I happen to deal with copyrights every day. But it's the internet. So your assumptions are just as valid as experience and knowledge Hmmm somehow I doubt you really deal with copyrights every day but that's fine, really don't worry we all understood what you meant to say but didn't quite get the right words out ; ) Well I stand by my statement that anyone selling his work on (an lets face it anyone who got one on a drop a few years ago knows the score) and makes a massive profit cannot take the moral high ground when they sell theirs on it a massive profit.
I license and use artwork and music every day for work. But if you prefer to think I pulled that out of my ass, you're welcome to believe that too.
Personally, I would not equate people who re-sale artwork for a profit to people who steal intellectual property. One is legal, the other is not. And on an ethical level, I only think it's unethical to flip a print purely for financial gain. Collectors always have and always will buy art then resale it at market price later on. Any financial gain is usually secondary to their appreciation of the art.
I have to admit I'm chuckling a bit myself reading your replies. Ebay policy requires the name of the intellectual property holder in order to pull an item on a copyright claim. "Banksy" is a pseudonym, not a name. If Banksy were form a company, he could authorize Pest Control to legally act on his behalf. But to do so would also require him to divulge his identity. So as it stands, Pest Control would not be able to enforce a copyright claim on his behalf. On a related note, the intellectual property holder is responsible for enforcing any claim under copyright law. If they fail to do so, their work can fall into public domain. As an anonymous entity, he essentially gives up that right unless and until he comes forward. I happen to deal with copyrights every day. But it's the internet. So your assumptions are just as valid as experience and knowledge Hmmm somehow I doubt you really deal with copyrights every day but that's fine, really don't worry we all understood what you meant to say but didn't quite get the right words out ; ) Well I stand by my statement that anyone selling his work on (an lets face it anyone who got one on a drop a few years ago knows the score) and makes a massive profit cannot take the moral high ground when they sell theirs on it a massive profit. I license and use artwork and music every day for work. But if you prefer to think I pulled that out of my ass, you're welcome to believe that too. Personally, I would not equate people who re-sale artwork for a profit to people who steal intellectual property. One is legal, the other is not. And on an ethical level, I only think it's unethical to flip a print purely for financial gain. Collectors always have and always will buy art then resale it at market price later on. Any financial gain is usually secondary to their appreciation of the art. |
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Art Wanted, by alittle on Oct 30, 2013 0:51:29 GMT 1, These prints don't bother me. Personally, I wouldn't hang a fraud, but to each their own.
These prints don't bother me. Personally, I wouldn't hang a fraud, but to each their own.
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Art Wanted, by Deleted on Oct 30, 2013 2:40:11 GMT 1, ]
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Really?........I mean really - you're really going to say this about people buying Banksys?
Let's just keep things in the real world here ok as nobody is buying this line. It's very naive indeed to think that for people it's more about appreciating the art when they buy a Banksy than it is about about it's potential value and profit. Some art yes, I've got art that I know won't ever make me a profit but I don't care, I'm sure you do too but buying a Banksy is buying an investment so it's value wouldn't be some afterthought as you're trying to make out. Do you truly believe that people would buy Banksys if they believed that it won't be worth even more in the future? What if they thought its value might actually go down in the future? Would they buy it then? You'd need your head checked if you think they still would.
If people simply appreciated the art then they'd but cheap copies of Banksys like........well I suppose WCP prints!
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Really?........I mean really - you're really going to say this about people buying Banksys?
Let's just keep things in the real world here ok as nobody is buying this line. It's very naive indeed to think that for people it's more about appreciating the art when they buy a Banksy than it is about about it's potential value and profit. Some art yes, I've got art that I know won't ever make me a profit but I don't care, I'm sure you do too but buying a Banksy is buying an investment so it's value wouldn't be some afterthought as you're trying to make out. Do you truly believe that people would buy Banksys if they believed that it won't be worth even more in the future? What if they thought its value might actually go down in the future? Would they buy it then? You'd need your head checked if you think they still would.
If people simply appreciated the art then they'd but cheap copies of Banksys like........well I suppose WCP prints!
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Art Wanted, by randomname on Oct 30, 2013 3:22:28 GMT 1, ] . Any financial gain is usually secondary to their appreciation of the art.
Some people complained that his prints were too expensive during his last release. Which is laughable in hindsight considering what they're going for now. Regardless, I don't think anyone thought his prints would ever sale for tens of thousands of dollars. I could be wrong on that. But if they did see that coming, good on them.
As far as people buying Banksy prints now hoping to turn a profit, I wish them luck. At this point, they're speculating on an expensive piece of art that in my opinion is worth nowhere near what they're paying for it. They could very easily lose money depending on all kinds of factors. Banksy could flood the market with prints. Or something could happen to where he's suddenly uncool.
Also, people who buy prints primarily for profit almost always flip them. Prices peak immediately after the release, then can drop by half within a few months. After that, it can take years for those prints to reach the same value as if they'd been sold right away. Flippers are greedy, they're not dumb.
] . Any financial gain is usually secondary to their appreciation of the art. Some people complained that his prints were too expensive during his last release. Which is laughable in hindsight considering what they're going for now. Regardless, I don't think anyone thought his prints would ever sale for tens of thousands of dollars. I could be wrong on that. But if they did see that coming, good on them. As far as people buying Banksy prints now hoping to turn a profit, I wish them luck. At this point, they're speculating on an expensive piece of art that in my opinion is worth nowhere near what they're paying for it. They could very easily lose money depending on all kinds of factors. Banksy could flood the market with prints. Or something could happen to where he's suddenly uncool. Also, people who buy prints primarily for profit almost always flip them. Prices peak immediately after the release, then can drop by half within a few months. After that, it can take years for those prints to reach the same value as if they'd been sold right away. Flippers are greedy, they're not dumb. |
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Art Wanted, by randomname on Oct 30, 2013 5:00:28 GMT 1, Im not sure how important skills are when we are talking about ideas..you can always get someone else to do it for you if you cant do it yourself..but btw not that easy 'just to burn a few screens' I said makes you think..and I think it does...about authorship for instance..how important is it..how does it alter the image.... I agree about how she managed to choose artists very early, showed a very good eye..but i dont think ultimately makes any difference to the final work
I completely agree that the idea is far more important than the craft. I just think that was she did is completely different than this.
The fact that she could master so many styles in so many mediums to the degree that her copies were indistinguishable from the originals is impressive – even if you believe they have no artistic merit of their own.
And because she copied what were unknown artists at the time, that seems to indicate she wasn't doing it for money. She could have been painting bogus Picasso and passing them off as the real thing. No one would have been the wiser.
As far as burning screen not being easy, it really isn't that hard. They simply have to scan the image and isolate the layers. They probably retraced them as vector art in Illustrator. A bit time consuming, but not overly difficult.
Im not sure how important skills are when we are talking about ideas..you can always get someone else to do it for you if you cant do it yourself..but btw not that easy 'just to burn a few screens' I said makes you think..and I think it does...about authorship for instance..how important is it..how does it alter the image.... I agree about how she managed to choose artists very early, showed a very good eye..but i dont think ultimately makes any difference to the final work I completely agree that the idea is far more important than the craft. I just think that was she did is completely different than this. The fact that she could master so many styles in so many mediums to the degree that her copies were indistinguishable from the originals is impressive – even if you believe they have no artistic merit of their own. And because she copied what were unknown artists at the time, that seems to indicate she wasn't doing it for money. She could have been painting bogus Picasso and passing them off as the real thing. No one would have been the wiser. As far as burning screen not being easy, it really isn't that hard. They simply have to scan the image and isolate the layers. They probably retraced them as vector art in Illustrator. A bit time consuming, but not overly difficult. |
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Art Wanted, by mchang5 on Oct 30, 2013 6:07:27 GMT 1, Awesome!
I can't afford the real thing so this is second best
I'll take two just in case... I decide to go all creative and mash up the prints into one giant Banky collage.
Also, can you do Nola?
Thanks,
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Awesome!
I can't afford the real thing so this is second best
I'll take two just in case... I decide to go all creative and mash up the prints into one giant Banky collage.
Also, can you do Nola?
Thanks,
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Art Wanted, by Deleted on Oct 30, 2013 10:44:12 GMT 1, Im not sure how important skills are when we are talking about ideas..you can always get someone else to do it for you if you cant do it yourself..but btw not that easy 'just to burn a few screens' I said makes you think..and I think it does...about authorship for instance..how important is it..how does it alter the image.... I agree about how she managed to choose artists very early, showed a very good eye..but i dont think ultimately makes any difference to the final work
Quite right, also one point to add is that WCP will never make a huge career out of selling copies yet Sturtevant has done very well out of it yet it seems that what she's doing is fine with people here.......double standards???
Ok let's just address the elephant in the room here - many people buy Banksys for the prestige of owning a Banksy and can't stand the fact that there's an identical copy out there for £60. That is really what the whole argument is about - they won't admit it but it is.
There is no other reason people would be getting so upset about something that, let's face it, doesn't actually affect their lives in any way. If WCP was making copies of less famous artists artists, say Walker or DFace, we wouldn't be having all of this fuss on the forums about his work. I wonder if they are worried about it devaluing their own Banksy if the market is flooded with fakes (bit too late for that!!) but seeing is it's stamped up WCP and has no Pest Control this is not going to happen.
Im not sure how important skills are when we are talking about ideas..you can always get someone else to do it for you if you cant do it yourself..but btw not that easy 'just to burn a few screens' I said makes you think..and I think it does...about authorship for instance..how important is it..how does it alter the image.... I agree about how she managed to choose artists very early, showed a very good eye..but i dont think ultimately makes any difference to the final work Quite right, also one point to add is that WCP will never make a huge career out of selling copies yet Sturtevant has done very well out of it yet it seems that what she's doing is fine with people here.......double standards??? Ok let's just address the elephant in the room here - many people buy Banksys for the prestige of owning a Banksy and can't stand the fact that there's an identical copy out there for £60. That is really what the whole argument is about - they won't admit it but it is. There is no other reason people would be getting so upset about something that, let's face it, doesn't actually affect their lives in any way. If WCP was making copies of less famous artists artists, say Walker or DFace, we wouldn't be having all of this fuss on the forums about his work. I wonder if they are worried about it devaluing their own Banksy if the market is flooded with fakes (bit too late for that!!) but seeing is it's stamped up WCP and has no Pest Control this is not going to happen. |
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Art Wanted, by Happy Shopper on Oct 30, 2013 10:51:02 GMT 1, What I don't understand about forum members wanting to buy these for their walls is that personally I'd rather have an official Banksy poster than a fake print.
Why not have a Soup Cans litho or Monkey Parliament, or Tesco Petrol Bomb, or Barely Legal show poster? Get a real Banksy "artwork"!
What I don't understand about forum members wanting to buy these for their walls is that personally I'd rather have an official Banksy poster than a fake print.
Why not have a Soup Cans litho or Monkey Parliament, or Tesco Petrol Bomb, or Barely Legal show poster? Get a real Banksy "artwork"!
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Art Wanted, by Deleted on Oct 30, 2013 10:54:49 GMT 1, Im not sure how important skills are when we are talking about ideas..you can always get someone else to do it for you if you cant do it yourself..but btw not that easy 'just to burn a few screens' I said makes you think..and I think it does...about authorship for instance..how important is it..how does it alter the image.... I agree about how she managed to choose artists very early, showed a very good eye..but i dont think ultimately makes any difference to the final work Ok let's just address the elephant in the room here - many people buy Banksys for the prestige of owning a Banksy and can't stand the fact that there's an identical copy out there for £60. That is really what the whole argument is about - they won't admit it but it is.
As much as we may all like to think we know why other people do anything, that is unfortunately your opinion soley. I've already made my feelings clear (defending this practice to me shows a moral bankruptcy) and it's nothing to with prestige, because a legit Banksy is a legit Banksy, a fraudulent copy has no effect on that fact.
Im not sure how important skills are when we are talking about ideas..you can always get someone else to do it for you if you cant do it yourself..but btw not that easy 'just to burn a few screens' I said makes you think..and I think it does...about authorship for instance..how important is it..how does it alter the image.... I agree about how she managed to choose artists very early, showed a very good eye..but i dont think ultimately makes any difference to the final work Ok let's just address the elephant in the room here - many people buy Banksys for the prestige of owning a Banksy and can't stand the fact that there's an identical copy out there for £60. That is really what the whole argument is about - they won't admit it but it is. As much as we may all like to think we know why other people do anything, that is unfortunately your opinion soley. I've already made my feelings clear (defending this practice to me shows a moral bankruptcy) and it's nothing to with prestige, because a legit Banksy is a legit Banksy, a fraudulent copy has no effect on that fact. |
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Art Wanted, by Deleted on Oct 30, 2013 11:03:56 GMT 1, What I don't understand about forum members wanting to buy these for their walls is that personally I'd rather have an official Banksy poster than a fake print. Why not have a Soup Cans litho or Monkey Parliament, or Tesco Petrol Bomb, or Barely Legal show poster? Get a real Banksy "artwork"!
Because maybe they don't like those images. Lets face it Soup Cans and Tesco Petrol Bomb are both pretty crap images so maybe people want something different.
When Banksy started doing his street art he wanted to make his images available to anyone. His prints are now not available to anyone due to their cost and it seems that there are people that would rather keep it that way. God forbid someone who can't afford an official print should be able to enjoy having a cheap copy on their wall.
What I don't understand about forum members wanting to buy these for their walls is that personally I'd rather have an official Banksy poster than a fake print. Why not have a Soup Cans litho or Monkey Parliament, or Tesco Petrol Bomb, or Barely Legal show poster? Get a real Banksy "artwork"! Because maybe they don't like those images. Lets face it Soup Cans and Tesco Petrol Bomb are both pretty crap images so maybe people want something different. When Banksy started doing his street art he wanted to make his images available to anyone. His prints are now not available to anyone due to their cost and it seems that there are people that would rather keep it that way. God forbid someone who can't afford an official print should be able to enjoy having a cheap copy on their wall. |
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Art Wanted, by Happy Shopper on Oct 30, 2013 11:34:51 GMT 1, I agree on the image thing... I guess it's up the individual.
I'd rather have a real poster, maybe others would rather have the image they like regardless of where it comes from.
I agree on the image thing... I guess it's up the individual.
I'd rather have a real poster, maybe others would rather have the image they like regardless of where it comes from.
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Art Wanted, by johnnyh on Oct 30, 2013 12:06:22 GMT 1,
Sorry Ambo but this thread makes me laugh.
actually most people who bought Banksy prints originally did not expect to make money. It is only very recently that the super growth has come. Many old prints did not sell out straight away and rise in value
bt Ambo remember your thread last month..why would Banksy feel any different to you
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Hi,
Well they say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and that seems to have come true.
User RX3857 has started posting under ' amboguy. ' and gets away with the 'same' name by putting a dot on the end of it.
I've reported it to he mods but I'm making this public so as to make you aware to look at the profile picture and number of posts to see who it really is!
He's already left a few dumb comments under my name and I'm sure will try and start a few arguments with some of you. This person clearly has no interest in art whatsoever and is just on a personal vendetta..
I was going to keep this private (as it should be) but want to make you aware of any upcoming posts by 'me' might not be by me !
I'm sure like me you're getting a bit sick of these shenanigans.
Cheers
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Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/109667/user-impersonating-me#ixzz2jCaAOfey
Sorry Ambo but this thread makes me laugh. actually most people who bought Banksy prints originally did not expect to make money. It is only very recently that the super growth has come. Many old prints did not sell out straight away and rise in value bt Ambo remember your thread last month..why would Banksy feel any different to you --------------------- Someones Impersonating me Sep 30, 2013 at 12:50am amboguy said: Hi, Well they say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and that seems to have come true. User RX3857 has started posting under ' amboguy. ' and gets away with the 'same' name by putting a dot on the end of it. I've reported it to he mods but I'm making this public so as to make you aware to look at the profile picture and number of posts to see who it really is! He's already left a few dumb comments under my name and I'm sure will try and start a few arguments with some of you. This person clearly has no interest in art whatsoever and is just on a personal vendetta.. I was going to keep this private (as it should be) but want to make you aware of any upcoming posts by 'me' might not be by me ! I'm sure like me you're getting a bit sick of these shenanigans. Cheers Amboguy( the real one) !! Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/109667/user-impersonating-me#ixzz2jCaAOfey |
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Art Wanted, by curiousgeorge on Oct 30, 2013 12:07:07 GMT 1, Im not sure how important skills are when we are talking about ideas..you can always get someone else to do it for you if you cant do it yourself..but btw not that easy 'just to burn a few screens' I said makes you think..and I think it does...about authorship for instance..how important is it..how does it alter the image.... I agree about how she managed to choose artists very early, showed a very good eye..but i dont think ultimately makes any difference to the final work Quite right, also one point to add is that WCP will never make a huge career out of selling copies yet Sturtevant has done very well out of it yet it seems that what she's doing is fine with people here.......double standards??? Ok let's just address the elephant in the room here - many people buy Banksys for the prestige of owning a Banksy and can't stand the fact that there's an identical copy out there for £60. That is really what the whole argument is about - they won't admit it but it is. There is no other reason people would be getting so upset about something that, let's face it, doesn't actually affect their lives in any way. If WCP was making copies of less famous artists artists, say Walker or DFace, we wouldn't be having all of this fuss on the forums about his work. I wonder if they are worried about it devaluing their own Banksy if the market is flooded with fakes (bit too late for that!!) but seeing is it's stamped up WCP and has no Pest Control this is not going to happen.
Reading between the lines I'm guessing you don't own a Banksy print??
Im not sure how important skills are when we are talking about ideas..you can always get someone else to do it for you if you cant do it yourself..but btw not that easy 'just to burn a few screens' I said makes you think..and I think it does...about authorship for instance..how important is it..how does it alter the image.... I agree about how she managed to choose artists very early, showed a very good eye..but i dont think ultimately makes any difference to the final work Quite right, also one point to add is that WCP will never make a huge career out of selling copies yet Sturtevant has done very well out of it yet it seems that what she's doing is fine with people here.......double standards??? Ok let's just address the elephant in the room here - many people buy Banksys for the prestige of owning a Banksy and can't stand the fact that there's an identical copy out there for £60. That is really what the whole argument is about - they won't admit it but it is. There is no other reason people would be getting so upset about something that, let's face it, doesn't actually affect their lives in any way. If WCP was making copies of less famous artists artists, say Walker or DFace, we wouldn't be having all of this fuss on the forums about his work. I wonder if they are worried about it devaluing their own Banksy if the market is flooded with fakes (bit too late for that!!) but seeing is it's stamped up WCP and has no Pest Control this is not going to happen. Or....some people don't really like reading about people buying a framed print only to find out it's a WCP.Not keeping score but I think it's happened 3 times already(3 times too many in my book) Do you have room in that head of yours to understand or comprehend this??? Reading between the lines I'm guessing you don't own a Banksy print?? |
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Art Wanted, by mmmike on Oct 30, 2013 14:31:21 GMT 1, Awesome! I can't afford the real thing so this is second best I'll take two just in case... I decide to go all creative and mash up the prints into one giant Banky collage. Also, can you do Nola? Thanks, M
Awesome! I can't afford the real thing so this is second best I'll take two just in case... I decide to go all creative and mash up the prints into one giant Banky collage. Also, can you do Nola? Thanks, M You are full of it. I know you are not going to cut them up. |
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Art Wanted, by Deleted on Oct 30, 2013 14:35:15 GMT 1, Quite right, also one point to add is that WCP will never make a huge career out of selling copies yet Sturtevant has done very well out of it yet it seems that what she's doing is fine with people here.......double standards??? Ok let's just address the elephant in the room here - many people buy Banksys for the prestige of owning a Banksy and can't stand the fact that there's an identical copy out there for £60. That is really what the whole argument is about - they won't admit it but it is. There is no other reason people would be getting so upset about something that, let's face it, doesn't actually affect their lives in any way. If WCP was making copies of less famous artists artists, say Walker or DFace, we wouldn't be having all of this fuss on the forums about his work. I wonder if they are worried about it devaluing their own Banksy if the market is flooded with fakes (bit too late for that!!) but seeing is it's stamped up WCP and has no Pest Control this is not going to happen. Or....some people don't really like reading about people buying a framed print only to find out it's a WCP.Not keeping score but I think it's happened 3 times already(3 times too many in my book) Do you have room in that head of yours to understand or comprehend this??? Reading between the lines I'm guessing you don't own a Banksy print??
Hey you really want to get insulting do you? Do you want to make this personal?
Now have I said anything about what's in your head? No. So I suggest you try and be a but more polite Ok.
You've got previous with his so why don't you try and wind your neck in and keep things civil.
No I don't own a Banksy print. I don't really like his stuff but that's by the by.
Now maybe you'd like to try and grow up and be a bit nicer in your next post.
Quite right, also one point to add is that WCP will never make a huge career out of selling copies yet Sturtevant has done very well out of it yet it seems that what she's doing is fine with people here.......double standards??? Ok let's just address the elephant in the room here - many people buy Banksys for the prestige of owning a Banksy and can't stand the fact that there's an identical copy out there for £60. That is really what the whole argument is about - they won't admit it but it is. There is no other reason people would be getting so upset about something that, let's face it, doesn't actually affect their lives in any way. If WCP was making copies of less famous artists artists, say Walker or DFace, we wouldn't be having all of this fuss on the forums about his work. I wonder if they are worried about it devaluing their own Banksy if the market is flooded with fakes (bit too late for that!!) but seeing is it's stamped up WCP and has no Pest Control this is not going to happen. Or....some people don't really like reading about people buying a framed print only to find out it's a WCP.Not keeping score but I think it's happened 3 times already(3 times too many in my book) Do you have room in that head of yours to understand or comprehend this??? Reading between the lines I'm guessing you don't own a Banksy print?? Hey you really want to get insulting do you? Do you want to make this personal? Now have I said anything about what's in your head? No. So I suggest you try and be a but more polite Ok. You've got previous with his so why don't you try and wind your neck in and keep things civil. No I don't own a Banksy print. I don't really like his stuff but that's by the by. Now maybe you'd like to try and grow up and be a bit nicer in your next post. |
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Art Wanted, by kel on Oct 30, 2013 14:36:26 GMT 1, They are stamped on the reverse - COPY - to prevent being sold on the market as originals, as the originals can sell for up to £2000.
Does anyone fancy selling me one of the originals for £2000 as quoted in the listing
They are stamped on the reverse - COPY - to prevent being sold on the market as originals, as the originals can sell for up to £2000.
Does anyone fancy selling me one of the originals for £2000 as quoted in the listing
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Art Wanted, by curiousgeorge on Oct 30, 2013 15:14:27 GMT 1, Sorry...What I meant to say was I don't know a single Banksy owner that is pi55ed off because they overpaid for an image that could have got for £60.You stated that to be a fact
What is difficult to understand about this?? You mention me growing up yet the forum, on a almost daily basis is littered with drama involving you. Think on that..
Quasi-threats don't phase me in the least if "you want to make this personal"
It's simple I don't like WCP prints simply because of the 3 framed already sold
Sorry...What I meant to say was I don't know a single Banksy owner that is pi55ed off because they overpaid for an image that could have got for £60.You stated that to be a fact
What is difficult to understand about this?? You mention me growing up yet the forum, on a almost daily basis is littered with drama involving you. Think on that..
Quasi-threats don't phase me in the least if "you want to make this personal"
It's simple I don't like WCP prints simply because of the 3 framed already sold
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Art Wanted, by randomname on Oct 30, 2013 16:44:38 GMT 1, Im not sure how important skills are when we are talking about ideas..you can always get someone else to do it for you if you cant do it yourself..but btw not that easy 'just to burn a few screens' I said makes you think..and I think it does...about authorship for instance..how important is it..how does it alter the image.... I agree about how she managed to choose artists very early, showed a very good eye..but i dont think ultimately makes any difference to the final work Quite right, also one point to add is that WCP will never make a huge career out of selling copies yet Sturtevant has done very well out of it yet it seems that what she's doing is fine with people here.......double standards???
A double standard would imply that they are doing the exact same thing. Personally, I see a difference between someone creating an exact duplicate by hand, using the same techniques as the original artist and someone scanning an image into a computer. One takes a high degree of talent and skill. The other does not.
That said, I wouldn't buy her work simply because it's not an original. I take issue with copying someone else's work on general principle. But there is a distinction to be made between a human-generated copy and a computer-generated copy. And when you take the entire context of her work and life into consideration, there's a certain novelty to what she does.
I'm curious how you arrived at that assumption? Nothing anyone has said supports it in any way. I think people have been clear about why they don't like knockoffs and fakes. If you missed it, I'll try to be clear why I personally do not like them.
1) It's not their idea. I respect intellectual property. It can take weeks, months or years for an artist to come up with a great idea. For some mindless idiot to come along, steal it and profit from it is simply immoral. Put another way, you'd have to be a bit of a dick to do it or support it.
2) They're not identical copies. The only way to make an identical copy would be to use Banksy's screens. You lose detail when you scan an image and recreate the layers in photoshop and illustrator. The quality is inferior.
A good analogy would be someone who buys a fake Rolex or drives a Ferrari kit car. Superficially, they may look similar. But put side-by-side, the difference in quality is obvious. The fakes look cheesy, as do their owners.
I don't think people are all that upset with WPC. Some people simply think he's a leach, but probably don't give him a second thought away from this forum. I am curious though why you keep making assumptions about what other people believe. You seem to want to paint other members' motivations in a negative light when it looks to me like you're fighting from the moral low ground.
Im not sure how important skills are when we are talking about ideas..you can always get someone else to do it for you if you cant do it yourself..but btw not that easy 'just to burn a few screens' I said makes you think..and I think it does...about authorship for instance..how important is it..how does it alter the image.... I agree about how she managed to choose artists very early, showed a very good eye..but i dont think ultimately makes any difference to the final work Quite right, also one point to add is that WCP will never make a huge career out of selling copies yet Sturtevant has done very well out of it yet it seems that what she's doing is fine with people here.......double standards??? A double standard would imply that they are doing the exact same thing. Personally, I see a difference between someone creating an exact duplicate by hand, using the same techniques as the original artist and someone scanning an image into a computer. One takes a high degree of talent and skill. The other does not. That said, I wouldn't buy her work simply because it's not an original. I take issue with copying someone else's work on general principle. But there is a distinction to be made between a human-generated copy and a computer-generated copy. And when you take the entire context of her work and life into consideration, there's a certain novelty to what she does. I'm curious how you arrived at that assumption? Nothing anyone has said supports it in any way. I think people have been clear about why they don't like knockoffs and fakes. If you missed it, I'll try to be clear why I personally do not like them. 1) It's not their idea. I respect intellectual property. It can take weeks, months or years for an artist to come up with a great idea. For some mindless idiot to come along, steal it and profit from it is simply immoral. Put another way, you'd have to be a bit of a dick to do it or support it. 2) They're not identical copies. The only way to make an identical copy would be to use Banksy's screens. You lose detail when you scan an image and recreate the layers in photoshop and illustrator. The quality is inferior. A good analogy would be someone who buys a fake Rolex or drives a Ferrari kit car. Superficially, they may look similar. But put side-by-side, the difference in quality is obvious. The fakes look cheesy, as do their owners. I don't think people are all that upset with WPC. Some people simply think he's a leach, but probably don't give him a second thought away from this forum. I am curious though why you keep making assumptions about what other people believe. You seem to want to paint other members' motivations in a negative light when it looks to me like you're fighting from the moral low ground. |
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Art Wanted, by The West Country Prince on Oct 30, 2013 17:53:15 GMT 1, They are stamped on the reverse - COPY - to prevent being sold on the market as originals, as the originals can sell for up to £2000. Does anyone fancy selling me one of the originals for £2000 as quoted in the listing
They are stamped on the reverse - COPY - to prevent being sold on the market as originals, as the originals can sell for up to £2000. Does anyone fancy selling me one of the originals for £2000 as quoted in the listing 3....missing !! |
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pcant
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Art Wanted, by pcant on Oct 30, 2013 18:18:26 GMT 1, How can it be that these are both terrible and look cheesy compared to originals, but ALSO so good that they are fooling people into paying real Banksy prices for copies?
How can it be that these are both terrible and look cheesy compared to originals, but ALSO so good that they are fooling people into paying real Banksy prices for copies?
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Art Wanted, by randomname on Oct 30, 2013 18:30:19 GMT 1, How can it be that these are both terrible and look cheesy compared to originals, but ALSO so good that they are fooling people into paying real Banksy prices for copies?
How can it be that these are both terrible and look cheesy compared to originals, but ALSO so good that they are fooling people into paying real Banksy prices for copies? If I had to guess, I'd say it has something to do with the fact they're looking at a 72 dpi image on their screen when buying it, rather than holding next to an original in real life. The same reason some people get duped into buying a fake watch online. |
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Art Wanted, by pcant on Oct 30, 2013 18:40:31 GMT 1, Maybe, although if the people who reportedly bought WCP prints at Banksy prices did so without ever seeing the print in person (and it has no COA, no provable trail) then those people are fools. My point was more about how these have been criticized on here as looking terrible and awful, that it's better to print out something from Banksy's site and bang it up on the wall, while the same print is being slammed as so good that the only way to tell it is a copy is to see the WCP stamp on the back. And that seems like a contradiction. I also wonder if people who own real Rolex's get mad at people who buy fake Rolex's.
Maybe, although if the people who reportedly bought WCP prints at Banksy prices did so without ever seeing the print in person (and it has no COA, no provable trail) then those people are fools. My point was more about how these have been criticized on here as looking terrible and awful, that it's better to print out something from Banksy's site and bang it up on the wall, while the same print is being slammed as so good that the only way to tell it is a copy is to see the WCP stamp on the back. And that seems like a contradiction. I also wonder if people who own real Rolex's get mad at people who buy fake Rolex's.
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Art Wanted, by kel on Oct 30, 2013 18:40:45 GMT 1, They are stamped on the reverse - COPY - to prevent being sold on the market as originals, as the originals can sell for up to £2000. Does anyone fancy selling me one of the originals for £2000 as quoted in the listing 3....missing !!
They are stamped on the reverse - COPY - to prevent being sold on the market as originals, as the originals can sell for up to £2000. Does anyone fancy selling me one of the originals for £2000 as quoted in the listing 3....missing !! |
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Art Wanted, by iamzero on Oct 30, 2013 18:50:17 GMT 1, Surely the problem lies in buying a framed print in the first place. If I'm spending that amount of cash on a Banksy print there is not a hope in hell I'm gonna do it without taking it out from the frame and having a pest control stifficate.
WCP can't be held responsible for that? I have no problem with these, yes I own a WCP Kate and no I don't yet own a Banksy due to people overpricing on here even though I have cash waiting for a signed copy of one.
Surely the problem lies in buying a framed print in the first place. If I'm spending that amount of cash on a Banksy print there is not a hope in hell I'm gonna do it without taking it out from the frame and having a pest control stifficate.
WCP can't be held responsible for that? I have no problem with these, yes I own a WCP Kate and no I don't yet own a Banksy due to people overpricing on here even though I have cash waiting for a signed copy of one.
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Art Wanted, by Happy Go Lucky Chap on Oct 30, 2013 20:09:29 GMT 1, The WCP gold Kates are all gone
The WCP gold Kates are all gone
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Art Wanted, by FЯ on Oct 30, 2013 20:20:49 GMT 1, Thank god for that, can everyone shut up about them now.
its mildly less annoying than the people who keep quoting the price of the banksy charity shop painting every 5 mins. We all have eyes.
Thank god for that, can everyone shut up about them now.
its mildly less annoying than the people who keep quoting the price of the banksy charity shop painting every 5 mins. We all have eyes.
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Art Wanted, by iamzero on Oct 30, 2013 20:30:46 GMT 1, Shhhhhh. They be another colour next week.
Shhhhhh. They be another colour next week.
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