[Rolex]

If you don't like my response simonf then you should think about what your saying before posting & then modifying your responses . This is a banksy forum. Not a charity.

[simonf]

apparently silver is outperforming gold at the moment, and is cheaper!

[simonf]

and i did like your response response... it was perfect!

[simonf]

I completely agree... total digression, sorry chaps!
carry on

[mojjac]

Aug 1, 2011 9:45:55 GMT 1 klyde said:

My Turf War just turned up. Its perfect.

If you were in two minds about buying from these guys there is no need. You wont be disappointed.

I'll post some photos tonight.

Hurry up and post some picture Klyde. I was too late on this one and missed out. Hopefully there will be another release

[simonf]

I'd like a turf war for sure, although BME would be my top choice

[mojjac]

Aug 1, 2011 21:25:45 GMT 1 simonf said:

I'd like a turf war for sure, although BME would be my top choice

I would concur with that for sure.

[curiousgeorge]

Aug 1, 2011 21:13:51 GMT 1 Rolex said:

This is a banksy forum. Not a charity.

Ironic things people say:)

[mouser]

For those lucky enough to have real banksy prints on their walls, fantastic, lucky you ( remembering that not all were bought for thousands, some were still bought at £50 or £75 quid....)

For those who dont, buying £50 posters is one option of many available. No realistic issue with the coppies, they will always be available in some way shape or form, from shitty postcards to canvas photoprints etc. Its more the price and percieved semi-legitimacy being applied to these specific copies almost along the lines of backdoor prints rather than straight out coppies.... just seems wrong to me, but as previously stated.... "a fool and their money are easily parted".... I'd be well hacked off to spend £50 on a poster.
Is the only reason folk are buying these is they look a bit more like the real banksy prints than other coppies?

[klyde]

Aug 1, 2011 23:05:47 GMT 1 mouser said:

For those lucky enough to have real banksy prints on their walls, fantastic, lucky you ( remembering that not all were bought for thousands, some were still bought at £50 or £75 quid....)

For those who dont, buying £50 posters is one option of many available. No realistic issue with the coppies, they will always be available in some way shape or form, from s**tty postcards to canvas photoprints etc. Its more the price and percieved semi-legitimacy being applied to these specific copies almost along the lines of backdoor prints rather than straight out coppies.... just seems wrong to me, but as previously stated.... "a fool and their money are easily parted".... I'd be well hacked off to spend £50 on a poster.
Is the only reason folk are buying these is they look a bit more like the real banksy prints than other coppies?

Its not a poster. Its a print. Massive difference.

And yes, I did buy it because of this.

And why not?

Will the Banksy police arrest me?

Got 3 signed Banksys at home, all bought from POW, and I will no doubt be trying for his next one whatever the hell that will be, so I reckon I have lined his pockets plenty.

Pics later today.

ps - Might suggest they print some Hirst next. Thoughts on that?

[Deleted]

Aug 2, 2011 9:29:13 GMT 1 klyde said:

Aug 1, 2011 23:05:47 GMT 1 mouser said:

so I reckon I have lined his pockets plenty.

he hasn't lined your pockets then?

[klyde]

Aug 2, 2011 10:37:58 GMT 1 Joe Valentino said:

Aug 2, 2011 9:29:13 GMT 1 klyde said:

Aug 1, 2011 23:05:47 GMT 1 mouser said:

so I reckon I have lined his pockets plenty.

he hasn't lined your pockets then?

Yes he has.

Same as anyone that owns his art bought from source.

Until he sells at market value, that will continue.

[ABC]

You can buy a Jack Vettriano copy and any other artist so why not Banksy.
It will always be a part of the market. The issues comes when people try to sell them on as legit (as stated on previous posts)
Banksy used to produce works that we could all afford, that was his goal. However we (collectors) changed that and now the majority can't afford. I'm lucky enough to own a few prints but there are a few that I never managed to get hold of and I still want, specially some of the colourway A/Ps that are knocking around. I'd also buy a stretched PF or Gold LITA, they were produced but never given an edition so worthless in eyes of Laz but collectors would still want them and some know who own them (lucky B$%$).

There maybe copyright issues but these are being sold as copies and not trying to pass as the real deal. Oh and they are nothing to do with me nor do I know the seller, that's before someone says I'm trying to bump prices.

[des77]

Aug 2, 2011 11:04:39 GMT 1 ABC said:

You can buy a Jack Vettriano copy and any other artist so why not Banksy.
It will always be a part of the market. The issues comes when people try to sell them on as legit

Exactly, Rose Popay does the Hirst rips and there are no issues with that. If people were not buying them, they wouldn't be available.

[Sundowner]

Lot's of opinions on this since my original post, which I have updated to make more sense . The comments about the existing numbered prints being devalued is an interesting one as if the eBay descriptions are correct, you are actually buying a new (although unofficial) numbered edition, which to all intents and purposes is the same as the original, other than the fact that the image is scanned at high resolution and then screened.

My understanding of limited prints is that legally once the run is finished, the original screens must be destroyed (maybe someone can confirm) although I could name a number of artists who frequently get around this by producing different colourways or APs once the original run has sold out. All credit to POW and Banksy for never milking that particular cow (well apart from Soupcans and Kate, which can be forgiven as the runs were so small and they were in the context of the artist that the original ideas were influenced by).

[klyde]

[Sundowner]

Interesting that this one is not stamped as "Banksy Copy" on the front. IMO there is a significant risk that people may frame these and then pass them off as the original run when reselling, even if they don't have PC. And on eBay people are prepared to buy at reduced cost without it.

[Deleted]

Aug 2, 2011 13:47:50 GMT 1 Sundowner said:

Interesting that this one is not stamped as "Banksy Copy" on the front. IMO there is a significant risk that people may frame these and then pass them off as the original run when reselling, even if they don't have PC. And on eBay people are prepared to buy at reduced cost without it.

don't you think you are slightly exaggerating now? if anyone is so ridiculous to buy such an expensive print without the proper inspecten (and PC) they kind of deserve to be scammed..

[lifeonwalls]

Does the original Turf War look so half-toned?

[klyde]

Aug 2, 2011 13:58:40 GMT 1 lifeonwalls said:

Does the original Turf War look so half-toned?

Thats just the dull Scottish weather effect on the pictures.

[klyde]

Aug 2, 2011 13:47:50 GMT 1 Sundowner said:

Interesting that this one is not stamped as "Banksy Copy" on the front. IMO there is a significant risk that people may frame these and then pass them off as the original run when reselling, even if they don't have PC. And on eBay people are prepared to buy at reduced cost without it.

That simply wont happen.

The culture is now people expect COA with everything.

Even £5 posters.

[hunter007]

COA INCLUDED

Looks a good copy to me , cant tell the difference.. Those saying they missed it , id drop them an email as they clearly have more, they have not sold 500 already Waiting on the Rude Coppers

[gritty]

Sorry if this has been mentioned.
But, what if POW decided to produce all their BANKSY works again for people who cant afford the image ?

Same set up as these people are doing for a similar price?

Would that be okay I wonder?

Jul 21, 2011 22:47:44 GMT 1 Brushstrokes 75 said:

Let alone the copyright infringement (which Banksy would never do). Ebay won't remove anything if Banksy (or his representation) don't ask them too, I think it's a good idea (if you would have the right).

Sometimes you like an image, don't want or don't have thousands to spend on it. Here you can get a quality copy - [assuming it's a good quality] (let's see what's it worth compared to the original).

I actually like the fact it stamped copy on the back with their own blindstamp which makes it more legal in their illegality. I think it might have been a problem for Mr B. otherwise.

Price is a bit steep though IMO knowing that the guy can print has many as he wants..

I don't see what the problem is. As I recall, most people here keep saying that it's only about the image. So, why pay £2K for a print if you can buy the same quality image for £30 lol

[hunter007]

Aug 2, 2011 14:31:13 GMT 1 gritty said:

Sorry if this has been mentioned.
But, what if POW decided to produce all their BANKSY works again for people who cant afford the image ?

Same set up as these people are doing for a similar price?

Would that be okay I wonder?

Jul 21, 2011 22:47:44 GMT 1 Brushstrokes 75 said:

Let alone the copyright infringement (which Banksy would never do). Ebay won't remove anything if Banksy (or his representation) don't ask them too, I think it's a good idea (if you would have the right).

Sometimes you like an image, don't want or don't have thousands to spend on it. Here you can get a quality copy - [assuming it's a good quality] (let's see what's it worth compared to the original).

I actually like the fact it stamped copy on the back with their own blindstamp which makes it more legal in their illegality. I think it might have been a problem for Mr B. otherwise.

Price is a bit steep though IMO knowing that the guy can print has many as he wants..

I don't see what the problem is. As I recall, most people here keep saying that it's only about the image. So, why pay £2K for a print if you can buy the same quality image for £30 lol

Id say it would sit well with many on here other than the ones who already own the Print, Id put money on them selling out just as fast as the previous releases.

[gritty]

Totally agree. And I'm sure people would queue all night to get them as well.

But, that would only damage BANKSY in the long run wouldn't it?

Just interested to know if people would agree with these being available if they came from POW.

[hunter007]

Aug 2, 2011 14:51:14 GMT 1 gritty said:

Totally agree. And I'm sure people would queue all night to get them as well.

But, that would only damage BANKSY in the long run wouldn't it?

Just interested to know if people would agree with these being available if they came from POW.

Yes certainly would not help Banksy

[Sundowner]

Aug 2, 2011 13:54:12 GMT 1 jopkop said:

Aug 2, 2011 13:47:50 GMT 1 Sundowner said:

Interesting that this one is not stamped as "Banksy Copy" on the front. IMO there is a significant risk that people may frame these and then pass them off as the original run when reselling, even if they don't have PC. And on eBay people are prepared to buy at reduced cost without it.

don't you think you are slightly exaggerating now? if anyone is so ridiculous to buy such an expensive print without the proper inspecten (and PC) they kind of deserve to be scammed..

No I don't. Lest you forget there has already been a number of people scammed from buying counterfeit Banksy prints on ebay (see urbanartassociation.com/index.cgi?board=ebaychat&action=display&thread=37755 as a reminder).

In addition, it has already been proven that people are willing to pay several hundred pounds for photocopied di-faced tenners that sellers allegedly originally got from Glastonbury/Santa's Ghetto/Banksy's mum that have no proof of authenticity.

[hunter007]

Aug 2, 2011 14:52:46 GMT 1 Sundowner said:

Aug 2, 2011 13:54:12 GMT 1 jopkop said:

don't you think you are slightly exaggerating now? if anyone is so ridiculous to buy such an expensive print without the proper inspecten (and PC) they kind of deserve to be scammed..

No. It has already been proven that people are willing to pay several hundred pounds for di-faced tenners that sellers allegedly originally got from Glastonbury/Santa's Ghetto/Banksy's mum that have no proof of authenticity.

rather foolish really, like buying those street pieces on a "found" road cone or sign.

[motor]

This is so f*cking lame.
Lame, lame, lame.
Making money from someone's else art.
It can't get any sadder.

Also, I do believe that this is just an "exercise" before making few adjustments and selling them as a real deal with faked COA.
And to those who are saying that some people kind of deserve to be scammed... shame on you.

[Sundowner]

Aug 2, 2011 15:03:07 GMT 1 motor said:

This is so f*cking lame.
Lame, lame, lame.
Making money from someone's else art.
It can't get any sadder.

Also, I do believe that this is just an "exercise" before making few adjustments and selling them as a real deal with faked COA.
And to those who are saying that some people kind of deserve to be scammed... shame on you.

Couldn't agree more Motor. Not everyone that is interested in this is a member of this forum - to say that people deserve to be scammed is an ignorant and shortsighted comment.