Why do people like Stik?

[FЯ]

Why so you keep comparing stiks activities to banksy.
Banksy is sitting on an island somewhere smoking a joint in £50's laughing.
Probably watching his family ride jet ski's

[FЯ]

Im done with this saucyjack show thread, hopefully the guardians will be hot on this.
Later

[saucyjack]

Tartarus, here is a second source for you:

leicesterbangs.blogspot.com/2013/03/street-artist-to-make-big-issue-sellers.html

Here is the specific quote, to save you time.

"The graffiti artist, whose work is mainly seen around east London, has funded the project using money donated from an advertising agency."

[.dappy]

... and does it really matter ... No! ...

but you've 'proved' your point sj - he-ho!

[tartarus]

Jan 4, 2016 21:46:25 GMT 1 saucyjack said:

Tartarus, here is a second source for you:

leicesterbangs.blogspot.com/2013/03/street-artist-to-make-big-issue-sellers.html

Here is the specific quote, to save you time.

"The graffiti artist, whose work is mainly seen around east London, has funded the project using money donated from an advertising agency."

thanks for the quote. Bit impressive that you can't even see how you just blew a huge hole into your own argument though. 

An anonymous ADVERTISING AGENCY. Do you not think that could be the one that used his image in the Nokia (if i remember that right) ADVERT. 

pisces et dolium

[11]

I think Banksy's PR team do a very good job of covering up exactly what they do and don't do in protecting the artist (or gang of 20-30 based on what you believe)

and PR for the Big Issue shouldn't be confused with PR for the artist but nevertheless saucyjack - your interpretation is spot-on and clearly win the who has the most immovable opinions on everything 

[saucyjack]

Jan 4, 2016 21:43:08 GMT 1 FЯ said:

Why so you keep comparing stiks activities to banksy.
Banksy is sitting on an island somewhere smoking a joint in £50's laughing.
Probably watching his family ride jet ski's

I do so because the similarities between the two PR campaigns are very interesting. I won't clog this thread with my banter explaining this, perhaps I will start a new thread.

Again, I am not saying it is bad, I am saying it is happening. 

As for getting the Guardians to get "hot" on me, that is just nonsense. I am speaking on topic, politely and that is not against any rules. The fact my opinions do not gel with the majority here is irrelevant. Use the Block feature if you don't want to read it, as 11 proposed earlier.

[Cornish Crayon]

Hello Hello Hello, what's going on ere then ?

[saucyjack]

Jan 4, 2016 21:51:05 GMT 1 tartarus said:

Jan 4, 2016 21:46:25 GMT 1 saucyjack said:

Tartarus, here is a second source for you:

leicesterbangs.blogspot.com/2013/03/street-artist-to-make-big-issue-sellers.html

Here is the specific quote, to save you time.

"The graffiti artist, whose work is mainly seen around east London, has funded the project using money donated from an advertising agency."

thanks for the quote. Bit impressive that you can't even see how you just blew a huge hole into your own argument though. 

An anonymous ADVERTISING AGENCY. Do you not think that could be the one that used his image in the Nokia (if i remember that right) ADVERT. 

pisces et dolium

The Big Issue poster giveaway took place over a year before the copyright infringement settlement.

[tartarus]

Jan 4, 2016 22:03:26 GMT 1 saucyjack said:

Jan 4, 2016 21:51:05 GMT 1 tartarus said:

thanks for the quote. Bit impressive that you can't even see how you just blew a huge hole into your own argument though. 

An anonymous ADVERTISING AGENCY. Do you not think that could be the one that used his image in the Nokia (if i remember that right) ADVERT. 

pisces et dolium

The Big Issue poster giveaway took place over a year before the copyright infringement settlement.

you got proof of that? 

[zefarrett]

Im not even sure why this is still going. I could start the same thread about so many other artists. Why do I like stik? Because I do. Isnt that enough of a reason? I think the real question is why do you feel the need to have a personal preference explained to you?

[saucyjack]

Jan 4, 2016 22:08:52 GMT 1 tartarus said:

Jan 4, 2016 22:03:26 GMT 1 saucyjack said:

The Big Issue poster giveaway took place over a year before the copyright infringement settlement.

you got proof of that? 

Yes.

The Big Issue poster giveaway occurred in March of 2013, according to multiple sources, including those I have already posted.

The copyright infringement settlement occurred in August of 2014, according to multiple sources, including those I have already posted. 

[davievegas]

Jan 4, 2016 22:11:12 GMT 1 zefarrett said:

Im not even sure why this is still going. I could start the same thread about so many other artists. Why do I like stik? Because I do. Isnt that enough of a reason? I think the real question is why do you feel the need to have a personal preference explained to you?

Other artists you mean like "Rae"? I think the same thing when I see his work but not so much as how easy it is but more of "WTF are people thinking buying this". How does his weird african voodoo like images make it on peoples walls EVER? lol.

[Happy Go Lucky Chap]

For me, Stik is the Emperor's New Clothes



.....just sayin

[natstan]

Jan 5, 2016 0:53:28 GMT 1 davievegas said:

Jan 4, 2016 22:11:12 GMT 1 zefarrett said:

Im not even sure why this is still going. I could start the same thread about so many other artists. Why do I like stik? Because I do. Isnt that enough of a reason? I think the real question is why do you feel the need to have a personal preference explained to you?

Other artists you mean like "Rae"? I think the same thing when I see his work but not so much as how easy it is but more of "WTF are people thinking buying this". How does his weird african voodoo like images make it on peoples walls EVER? lol.

.... And purchased at prices way more than what they are worth by 'fans and collectors'.

Okay, maybe doesn't applies to rae...

[tartarus]

Jan 4, 2016 22:19:09 GMT 1 saucyjack said:

Jan 4, 2016 22:08:52 GMT 1 tartarus said:

you got proof of that? 

Yes.

The Big Issue poster giveaway occurred in March of 2013, according to multiple sources, including those I have already posted.

The copyright infringement settlement occurred in August of 2014, according to multiple sources, including those I have already posted. 

Secondary sources aren't that reliable unfortunately. That article was published long after the settlement. 

[saucyjack]

I remember the front cover of that Big Issue well. It had a little Stik figure featured in the upper corner accompanied by words like, "This is the next Banksy." I also remember that issue featured a collaboration between Big Issue and M&C Saatchi. As we all know, M&C Saatchi is an enormous advertising agency.

I know the "official" story goes that Stik used the funds from the out of court settlement to pay for the costs associated with the 75,000 prints. I don't believe it. Fact is, the only people who know the truth are Stik, Big Issue, and (maybe) Saatchi.

Aside from Charles choking Nigella, I have no problems with it. Good on Stik for his success. I only want to point out that Stik does indeed have a very strong PR team.

[thomasmer]

Jan 5, 2016 3:29:56 GMT 1 saucyjack said:

I remember the front cover of that Big Issue well. It had a little Stik figure featured in the upper corner accompanied by words like, "This is the next Banksy." I also remember that issue featured a collaboration between Big Issue and M&C Saatchi. As we all know, M&C Saatchi is an enormous advertising agency.

I know the "official" story goes that Stik used the funds from the out of court settlement to pay for the costs associated with the 75,000 prints. I don't believe it. Fact is, the only people who know the truth are Stik, Big Issue, and (maybe) Saatchi.

Aside from Charles choking Nigella, I have no problems with it. Good on Stik for his success. I only want to point out that Stik does indeed have a very strong PR team.

Who really cares he hardly made his name for being a very 'real' street artist, just an east london pretender bandwagon that wouldn't look out of place in an ikea catalog.

Good luck to him.

[Deleted]

Jan 5, 2016 4:01:30 GMT 1 thomasmer said:

Jan 5, 2016 3:29:56 GMT 1 saucyjack said:

I remember the front cover of that Big Issue well. It had a little Stik figure featured in the upper corner accompanied by words like, "This is the next Banksy." I also remember that issue featured a collaboration between Big Issue and M&C Saatchi. As we all know, M&C Saatchi is an enormous advertising agency.

I know the "official" story goes that Stik used the funds from the out of court settlement to pay for the costs associated with the 75,000 prints. I don't believe it. Fact is, the only people who know the truth are Stik, Big Issue, and (maybe) Saatchi.

Aside from Charles choking Nigella, I have no problems with it. Good on Stik for his success. I only want to point out that Stik does indeed have a very strong PR team.

Who really cares he hardly made his name for being a very 'real' street artist, just an east london pretender bandwagon that wouldn't look out of place in an ikea catalog.

Good luck to him.

Change "East London" to "Stokes Croft" and the second to last sentence reads like something Banksy would write on the back of one of his books.

IKEA catalogues must have improved since I last looked...

[Deleted]

Jan 5, 2016 3:29:56 GMT 1 saucyjack said:

I remember the front cover of that Big Issue well. It had a little Stik figure featured in the upper corner accompanied by words like, "This is the next Banksy." I also remember that issue featured a collaboration between Big Issue and M&C Saatchi. As we all know, M&C Saatchi is an enormous advertising agency.

I know the "official" story goes that Stik used the funds from the out of court settlement to pay for the costs associated with the 75,000 prints. I don't believe it. Fact is, the only people who know the truth are Stik, Big Issue, and (maybe) Saatchi.

Aside from Charles choking Nigella, I have no problems with it. Good on Stik for his success. I only want to point out that Stik does indeed have a very strong PR team.

Hey mr communicator,
do you question the personal tastes of the kids you teach?
Tell them that the stuff they like is crap?

Why don't you just act your age and worry about the art you like not what everybody else likes.
Pretty much every post from you since you've joined has been criticism looks like your only here to pick an argument and not actually contribute anything? Why don't you tell the rest of the forum your previous username let them know who they are dealing with

That's all

[docean]

Jan 4, 2016 22:11:12 GMT 1 zefarrett said:

Im not even sure why this is still going. I could start the same thread about so many other artists. Why do I like stik? Because I do. Isnt that enough of a reason? I think the real question is why do you feel the need to have a personal preference explained to you?

that's been explained here many times already.  why do you pose questions without reading the entire thread, thus needing it to be explained to you?

additionally,

"so many other artists" don't command (comparatively) high prices for basic work
"so many other artists" don't have enormous fan bases like Stik

[docean]

all debate and personal preferences aside:

more power to any artist who builds a huge fan base and sells work well.

[Deleted]

Jan 5, 2016 6:56:51 GMT 1 docean said:

all debate and personal preferences aside:

more power to any artist who builds a huge fan base and sells work well.

Switched account now?

[docean]

Jan 5, 2016 7:02:22 GMT 1 @diz said:

Jan 5, 2016 6:56:51 GMT 1 docean said:

all debate and personal preferences aside:

more power to any artist who builds a huge fan base and sells work well.

Switched account now?

just because I don't like his work and don't see any talent in it doesn't mean I don't respect his success.

[tartarus]

Jan 5, 2016 3:29:56 GMT 1 saucyjack said:

I remember the front cover of that Big Issue well. It had a little Stik figure featured in the upper corner accompanied by words like, "This is the next Banksy." I also remember that issue featured a collaboration between Big Issue and M&C Saatchi. As we all know, M&C Saatchi is an enormous advertising agency.

I know the "official" story goes that Stik used the funds from the out of court settlement to pay for the costs associated with the 75,000 prints. I don't believe it. Fact is, the only people who know the truth are Stik, Big Issue, and (maybe) Saatchi.

Aside from Charles choking Nigella, I have no problems with it. Good on Stik for his success. I only want to point out that Stik does indeed have a very strong PR team.

So you say. My info is direct so I'd guess way more accurate than your ramblings. But I see how your trying to muddy the waters with false info you can't prove. It was paid for from the settlement. Get over yourself.

Share your previous user name. Fill us all with confidence.

[Deleted]

Jan 4, 2016 21:31:22 GMT 1 FЯ said:

When stik needs to hire a rig to paint, he sells an original.
i think thats fair.

no pr team or money goes anywhere apart from street work.

anything else is made up bulls**t.

Why hire a rig? Why not just paint standing on the ground or on a stepladder?

[Deleted]

Jan 4, 2016 21:41:46 GMT 1 saucyjack said:

Applies here, I think...

"People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen and they bully you with it. They are The Advertisers and they are laughing at you.

You, however, are forbidden to touch them. Trademarks, intellectual property rights and copyright law mean advertisers can say what they like wherever they like with total impunity.

f**k that. Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It’s yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head.

You owe the companies nothing. Less than nothing, you especially don’t owe them any courtesy. They owe you. They have re-arranged the world to put themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission, don’t even start asking for theirs.

– Banksy"

[Deleted]

Jan 4, 2016 21:46:25 GMT 1 saucyjack said:

Tartarus, here is a second source for you:

leicesterbangs.blogspot.com/2013/03/street-artist-to-make-big-issue-sellers.html

Here is the specific quote, to save you time.

"The graffiti artist, whose work is mainly seen around east London, has funded the project using money donated from an advertising agency."

 
 Looks like a bit of both. It's good for publicity and advertising Stik and getting his name and art distributed via the Big Issue. I met a lot fo people who sell the Big Issue. Not all of them are homeless and not all are genuine.

Stiks prints were given to celebrities. Bit like Bambi

[11]

Jan 5, 2016 14:22:08 GMT 1 @elviswarhol said:

Jan 4, 2016 21:31:22 GMT 1 FЯ said:

When stik needs to hire a rig to paint, he sells an original.
i think thats fair.

no pr team or money goes anywhere apart from street work.

anything else is made up bulls**t.

Why hire a rig? Why not just paint standing on the ground or on a stepladder?

This is getting ridiculous now 

40m high mural painted to highlight shortage of affordable housing 



Pic courtesy of Eastend Review

[Deleted]

Jan 5, 2016 14:39:20 GMT 1 11 said:

Jan 5, 2016 14:22:08 GMT 1 @elviswarhol said:

Why hire a rig? Why not just paint standing on the ground or on a stepladder?

This is getting ridiculous now 

4
0m high mural painted to highlight shortage of affordable housing 



Pic courtesy of Eastend Review

 I would never have guessed and I doubt most people driving pas that saw this mural would have guessed it was highlighting the shortage of affordable housing too.

 Don't take people for fools it is highlighting Stik.