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hype and new prints/must have prints, by Graffiti Prints on Dec 28, 2011 20:27:53 GMT 1, i don't understand recent hype.
for example - invader, love his work and have a few but i can not understand why his prints are going for a fortune online-eBay, there has been an albino invader on the bay for ages unsold, its his best print by far, first on pow so has good history, i bought mine back in the day and still love it, yet his recent prints change hands for a lot more cash why is that?
i understand hype seen it for years now here and online, but if you loved invader you would want an albino invader like the holy grail no.
loads of other cases like this and i am confused.
also i can not understand why anyone would want a unsigned banksy they sat around for years on pow and you would be better off buying a west country prince print.
i don't understand recent hype.
for example - invader, love his work and have a few but i can not understand why his prints are going for a fortune online-eBay, there has been an albino invader on the bay for ages unsold, its his best print by far, first on pow so has good history, i bought mine back in the day and still love it, yet his recent prints change hands for a lot more cash why is that?
i understand hype seen it for years now here and online, but if you loved invader you would want an albino invader like the holy grail no.
loads of other cases like this and i am confused.
also i can not understand why anyone would want a unsigned banksy they sat around for years on pow and you would be better off buying a west country prince print.
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by pcant on Dec 28, 2011 20:51:51 GMT 1, also i can not understand why anyone would want a unsigned banksy they sat around for years on pow and you would be better off buying a west country prince print. Better off buying a fake? waste of money. You will never get your money back on a fake. Plus the quality is suspect.
What if you buy art to hang on the wall, not to get your money back?
also i can not understand why anyone would want a unsigned banksy they sat around for years on pow and you would be better off buying a west country prince print. Better off buying a fake? waste of money. You will never get your money back on a fake. Plus the quality is suspect. What if you buy art to hang on the wall, not to get your money back? |
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by letiss on Dec 28, 2011 21:01:02 GMT 1, The "Albino" is the unsigned edition, so that might make it less appealing than the new "Warnings" and woodcuts. One reason I wouldn't buy it due to the seller having a 'robust' choice of language on the listing and it's in N. America so that again might make it less desirable?
The "Albino" is the unsigned edition, so that might make it less appealing than the new "Warnings" and woodcuts. One reason I wouldn't buy it due to the seller having a 'robust' choice of language on the listing and it's in N. America so that again might make it less desirable?
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by Graffiti Prints on Dec 28, 2011 21:09:10 GMT 1, Better off buying a fake? waste of money. You will never get your money back on a fake. Plus the quality is suspect. What if you buy art to hang on the wall, not to get your money back?
if you want the banksy picture why pay 1k plus when in the frame its the same thats all im saying, no quality issues i bought a laugh now for a present for my brother and put it next to my signed one and it was perfect even same type of paper.
buying a banksy unsigned as an investment now i would say will be a massive waste of money unless from pow at cost.
Better off buying a fake? waste of money. You will never get your money back on a fake. Plus the quality is suspect. What if you buy art to hang on the wall, not to get your money back? if you want the banksy picture why pay 1k plus when in the frame its the same thats all im saying, no quality issues i bought a laugh now for a present for my brother and put it next to my signed one and it was perfect even same type of paper. buying a banksy unsigned as an investment now i would say will be a massive waste of money unless from pow at cost. |
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pcant
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by pcant on Dec 28, 2011 21:19:09 GMT 1, What if you buy art to hang on the wall, not to get your money back? You can buy good art for ยฃ60 and the money goes to the artist/gallery rather than someone that produces fakes.
My point was buying art should be about the art, not getting your money back. if I want an investment, I'll buy gold, or Apple stock, or what have you. If I want something to hang on my wall, I don't care about getting my money back.
What if you buy art to hang on the wall, not to get your money back? You can buy good art for ยฃ60 and the money goes to the artist/gallery rather than someone that produces fakes. My point was buying art should be about the art, not getting your money back. if I want an investment, I'll buy gold, or Apple stock, or what have you. If I want something to hang on my wall, I don't care about getting my money back. |
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by They call me Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 21:19:15 GMT 1, Haha....not too mention being hyped by numerous Norwegian collectors.
Haha....not too mention being hyped by numerous Norwegian collectors.
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by Daniel Silk on Dec 28, 2011 21:24:14 GMT 1, The "Albino" is the unsigned edition, so that might make it less appealing than the new "Warnings" and woodcuts. One reason I wouldn't buy it due to the seller having a 'robust' choice of language on the listing and it's in N. America so that again might make it less desirable?
Albino's also came signed.
The "Albino" is the unsigned edition, so that might make it less appealing than the new "Warnings" and woodcuts. One reason I wouldn't buy it due to the seller having a 'robust' choice of language on the listing and it's in N. America so that again might make it less desirable? Albino's also came signed. |
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by ABC on Dec 28, 2011 21:30:25 GMT 1, IMO Albino is one of the better images, plus it wasn't too expensive. It's the same old story though at POW now, over inflated prices for some real sub standard artists and work.
Just because it's from POW it does not mean it's any good.
I will be interested to see if the next Banksy remains sub ยฃ500
IMO Albino is one of the better images, plus it wasn't too expensive. It's the same old story though at POW now, over inflated prices for some real sub standard artists and work.
Just because it's from POW it does not mean it's any good.
I will be interested to see if the next Banksy remains sub ยฃ500
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pcant
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by pcant on Dec 28, 2011 21:45:46 GMT 1, My point was buying art should be about the art, not getting your money back. if I want an investment, I'll buy gold, or Apple stock, or what have you. If I want something to hang on my wall, I don't care about getting my money back. My point is if it is about the art then buy work from/by the artist and not someone that rips them off.
Yes. I think we're taking different, not necessarily opposing points. Buying from the artist and giving the money directly to them is always a good thing (which includes not buying from flippers, for the record). And I wasn't even really defending the WCP prints (that's a different thread, I suspect). My point was about buying art because you like it, or it speaks to you in some way, not buying art because you think you can make money on it later.
My point was buying art should be about the art, not getting your money back. if I want an investment, I'll buy gold, or Apple stock, or what have you. If I want something to hang on my wall, I don't care about getting my money back. My point is if it is about the art then buy work from/by the artist and not someone that rips them off. Yes. I think we're taking different, not necessarily opposing points. Buying from the artist and giving the money directly to them is always a good thing (which includes not buying from flippers, for the record). And I wasn't even really defending the WCP prints (that's a different thread, I suspect). My point was about buying art because you like it, or it speaks to you in some way, not buying art because you think you can make money on it later. |
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motor
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by motor on Dec 28, 2011 22:29:58 GMT 1, i don't understand recent hype. for example - invader, love his work and have a few but i can not understand why his prints are going for a fortune online-eBay, there has been an albino invader on the bay for ages unsold, its his best print by far, first on pow so has good history, i bought mine back in the day and still love it, yet his recent prints change hands for a lot more cash why is that? i understand hype seen it for years now here and online, but if you loved invader you would want an albino invader like the holy grail no. loads of other cases like this and i am confused. also i can not understand why anyone would want a unsigned banksy they sat around for years on pow and you would be better off buying a west country prince print.
GP, you have been around for a while now.
What's there not to understand?
Flavour of the month.
We have seen this MANY times before.
(Micallef, Nick Walker, Beejoir, Dran, Dolk, Invader...)
I am not saying that their work is not worth anything now but surely it's not worth what some people wanted to you to believe it was worth then.
Fantastic for people who can sell on the top but I feel sorry for people who are buying.
As I said it's not like we haven't seen this before.
I absolutely agree with points Harveyn made in the Dolk thread.
Too much hype and not much substance (for that kind of money).
i don't understand recent hype. for example - invader, love his work and have a few but i can not understand why his prints are going for a fortune online-eBay, there has been an albino invader on the bay for ages unsold, its his best print by far, first on pow so has good history, i bought mine back in the day and still love it, yet his recent prints change hands for a lot more cash why is that? i understand hype seen it for years now here and online, but if you loved invader you would want an albino invader like the holy grail no. loads of other cases like this and i am confused. also i can not understand why anyone would want a unsigned banksy they sat around for years on pow and you would be better off buying a west country prince print. GP, you have been around for a while now. What's there not to understand? Flavour of the month. We have seen this MANY times before. (Micallef, Nick Walker, Beejoir, Dran, Dolk, Invader...) I am not saying that their work is not worth anything now but surely it's not worth what some people wanted to you to believe it was worth then. Fantastic for people who can sell on the top but I feel sorry for people who are buying. As I said it's not like we haven't seen this before. I absolutely agree with points Harveyn made in the Dolk thread. Too much hype and not much substance (for that kind of money). |
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by Daniel Silk on Dec 28, 2011 22:55:16 GMT 1, Can we try and pin down what people think a hyped Artist is? What's classes them as hyped? Rather than just being very popular.
Can we try and pin down what people think a hyped Artist is? What's classes them as hyped? Rather than just being very popular.
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by manty on Dec 28, 2011 23:01:13 GMT 1, Can we try and pin down what people think a hyped Artist is? What's classes them as hyped? Rather than just being very popular.
Generally and not picking on any artist, hype to me means something that is marketed very well, and usually for a price well over the actual worth.
Tulips in amsterdam were marketed very well at one stage ;D
Can we try and pin down what people think a hyped Artist is? What's classes them as hyped? Rather than just being very popular. Generally and not picking on any artist, hype to me means something that is marketed very well, and usually for a price well over the actual worth. Tulips in amsterdam were marketed very well at one stage ;D |
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by chaserawr on Dec 28, 2011 23:06:32 GMT 1, Hyped IMO is when the demand for the artists work is inflated artificially by means of marketing, eBay manipulation, gallery inflation etc.
Hyped IMO is when the demand for the artists work is inflated artificially by means of marketing, eBay manipulation, gallery inflation etc.
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by Daniel Silk on Dec 28, 2011 23:07:06 GMT 1, How is actual worth decided?
How is actual worth decided?
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by manty on Dec 28, 2011 23:11:03 GMT 1, How is actual worth decided?
The people with lots and lots of money decide by buying up the artists work, then auctioning it, bidding against another money man partner, they decide how much they should buy the work back for. The market is then set. greed for the common man sets in, the money men then drip feed the work back to the little man who pay top dollar. the money man gets more, the common man gets less
simples ;D
How is actual worth decided? The people with lots and lots of money decide by buying up the artists work, then auctioning it, bidding against another money man partner, they decide how much they should buy the work back for. The market is then set. greed for the common man sets in, the money men then drip feed the work back to the little man who pay top dollar. the money man gets more, the common man gets less simples ;D |
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by Ottomatik on Dec 28, 2011 23:11:58 GMT 1, It's only hype because of the money peeps can get from the secondary market.
Granted, I have(in the past) purchased a few to flip. It NEVER works for me.
I only buy now to own.
Flipping is rampant on the art forums these days.
Flippers create most of the hype.
Seems you have to be on top of your game to pick up a print you like these days.
....don't get me started on the 'cart' system these days.
It's only hype because of the money peeps can get from the secondary market.
Granted, I have(in the past) purchased a few to flip. It NEVER works for me.
I only buy now to own.
Flipping is rampant on the art forums these days.
Flippers create most of the hype.
Seems you have to be on top of your game to pick up a print you like these days.
....don't get me started on the 'cart' system these days.
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by pelle on Dec 28, 2011 23:21:46 GMT 1, How is actual worth decided? The people with lots and lots of money decide by buying up the artists work, then auctioning it, bidding against another money man partner, they decide how much they should buy the work back for. The market is then set. greed for the common man sets in, the money men then drip feed the work back to the little man who pay top dollar. the money man gets more, the common man gets less simples ;D
Really? I thought it was decided through the Urban Art Awards?
How is actual worth decided? The people with lots and lots of money decide by buying up the artists work, then auctioning it, bidding against another money man partner, they decide how much they should buy the work back for. The market is then set. greed for the common man sets in, the money men then drip feed the work back to the little man who pay top dollar. the money man gets more, the common man gets less simples ;D Really? I thought it was decided through the Urban Art Awards? |
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by bernard on Dec 28, 2011 23:21:46 GMT 1, How is actual worth decided? The people with lots and lots of money decide by buying up the artists work, then auctioning it, bidding against another money man partner, they decide how much they should buy the work back for. The market is then set. greed for the common man sets in, the money men then drip feed the work back to the little man who pay top dollar. the money man gets more, the common man gets less simples ;D
That doesnt really happen does it?, im totally shocked here, i thought the Artists, Gallery owners and Punters were all living side by side in perfect peace and harmony on a piano keyboard?, surely shome mistake?, Jesus F Grist, i'll have to go for a sit down and a proper think about this art collecting game now.
How is actual worth decided? The people with lots and lots of money decide by buying up the artists work, then auctioning it, bidding against another money man partner, they decide how much they should buy the work back for. The market is then set. greed for the common man sets in, the money men then drip feed the work back to the little man who pay top dollar. the money man gets more, the common man gets less simples ;D That doesnt really happen does it?, im totally shocked here, i thought the Artists, Gallery owners and Punters were all living side by side in perfect peace and harmony on a piano keyboard?, surely shome mistake?, Jesus F Grist, i'll have to go for a sit down and a proper think about this art collecting game now. |
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Ottomatik
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by Ottomatik on Dec 28, 2011 23:24:33 GMT 1, Look through the for sale section of this forum..
You can see atleast 4 threads within the last 2 weeks that have prints for sale that were released within the last month.
Where the heck is Lurkerstud to call people out?!?!
He has always been the police force for that!
Look through the for sale section of this forum..
You can see atleast 4 threads within the last 2 weeks that have prints for sale that were released within the last month.
Where the heck is Lurkerstud to call people out?!?!
He has always been the police force for that!
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by boatyyy on Dec 28, 2011 23:36:48 GMT 1, How is actual worth decided? The people with lots and lots of money decide by buying up the artists work, then auctioning it, bidding against another money man partner, they decide how much they should buy the work back for. The market is then set. greed for the common man sets in, the money men then drip feed the work back to the little man who pay top dollar. the money man gets more, the common man gets less simples ;D
lol, in some markets, that's called 'roundtripping' - allegedly caused quite a stir in the physicals energy markets some years ago, lol...
How is actual worth decided? The people with lots and lots of money decide by buying up the artists work, then auctioning it, bidding against another money man partner, they decide how much they should buy the work back for. The market is then set. greed for the common man sets in, the money men then drip feed the work back to the little man who pay top dollar. the money man gets more, the common man gets less simples ;D lol, in some markets, that's called 'roundtripping' - allegedly caused quite a stir in the physicals energy markets some years ago, lol... |
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by Daniel Silk on Dec 28, 2011 23:38:16 GMT 1, Really? I thought it was decided through the Urban Art Awards?
I think it's interesting to see what votes the "Hyped" Artists get.
Really? I thought it was decided through the Urban Art Awards? I think it's interesting to see what votes the "Hyped" Artists get. |
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Dec 29, 2011 0:34:45 GMT 1, A lot of artists do it or their PR machine creates the hype for them.. didn't Hirst buy 60m pounds worth of his own art through his consortium  ?? Once I knew that it totally put me off his work - a lot of lessor artists on here have probably done the same at auction.. its part of the game. Warmgun you going to name the artist  ?? With regards to hype on this forum though I agree with Motor's 'flavour of the month' seems like its Dran these days, Charming Baker a few months ago etc... buy what you like and you wont be dissapointed regardless if the price goes up or down. No doubt a lot of people on here have made nice profits from hyping up & constantly buying prints then immediately selling them on Ebay, each to their own..
A lot of artists do it or their PR machine creates the hype for them.. didn't Hirst buy 60m pounds worth of his own art through his consortium ?? Once I knew that it totally put me off his work - a lot of lessor artists on here have probably done the same at auction.. its part of the game. Warmgun you going to name the artist ?? With regards to hype on this forum though I agree with Motor's 'flavour of the month' seems like its Dran these days, Charming Baker a few months ago etc... buy what you like and you wont be dissapointed regardless if the price goes up or down. No doubt a lot of people on here have made nice profits from hyping up & constantly buying prints then immediately selling them on Ebay, each to their own.. |
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by dlton on Dec 29, 2011 4:09:10 GMT 1, I like others get quite bored of the hype, and find it disgusting when artists have PR budget, Banksy, Nick Walker, Mr Brainwash, it all makes me feel sick, especially when they are supposed to create their own hype on the streets.
Nice to see people like Mau Mau, Blu, Ludo, and the like, smashing the streets and banging out good work without all of the bullshit, over priced paintings, and fake auction results.
I like others get quite bored of the hype, and find it disgusting when artists have PR budget, Banksy, Nick Walker, Mr Brainwash, it all makes me feel sick, especially when they are supposed to create their own hype on the streets.
Nice to see people like Mau Mau, Blu, Ludo, and the like, smashing the streets and banging out good work without all of the bullshit, over priced paintings, and fake auction results.
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by Stinky Pete on Dec 29, 2011 7:20:58 GMT 1, I think the thing that separates the few from the herd is being original . shepard fairey, banksy and Damien hirst were all the first to do exactly what they do,
Imitators follow but they don't have the same voracity and will never be as sought after
I think the thing that separates the few from the herd is being original . shepard fairey, banksy and Damien hirst were all the first to do exactly what they do,
Imitators follow but they don't have the same voracity and will never be as sought after
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by sfinks on Dec 29, 2011 8:06:05 GMT 1, To me Banksy seems very inspired from Andy Warhol and Blek Le Rat.
To me Banksy seems very inspired from Andy Warhol and Blek Le Rat.
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by eddiedangerous on Dec 29, 2011 9:40:58 GMT 1, How is actual worth decided?
Apparently by you, via the method of a star rating.
A rating which currently holds Dan Kitchener, Steve Powers, Dalek and Arkiv Vilmansa in higher regard on this forum than the likes of Bast, Os Gem, Dran, Beejoir, Choe and Kaws.
And only adds to the "hype" by giving Dolk, Invader, Ai Weiwei, and D*Face a five star rating.
It is simply a mechanism designed by you to create hype around certain artists, whilst not actually reflecting any actual values (other than your own). I would understand its existence much better if say for example it was only reflecting a word count for the particular artist's name in discussion on the forum.
You did ask.
How is actual worth decided? Apparently by you, via the method of a star rating. A rating which currently holds Dan Kitchener, Steve Powers, Dalek and Arkiv Vilmansa in higher regard on this forum than the likes of Bast, Os Gem, Dran, Beejoir, Choe and Kaws. And only adds to the "hype" by giving Dolk, Invader, Ai Weiwei, and D*Face a five star rating. It is simply a mechanism designed by you to create hype around certain artists, whilst not actually reflecting any actual values (other than your own). I would understand its existence much better if say for example it was only reflecting a word count for the particular artist's name in discussion on the forum. You did ask. |
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by iamzero on Dec 29, 2011 10:12:19 GMT 1, Maybe art is the new Rock and Roll...?
50 and 60's... Music.
80 and 90's... Comedy.
00 and 10's Art.
Maybe art is the new Rock and Roll...?
50 and 60's... Music.
80 and 90's... Comedy.
00 and 10's Art.
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by debaser on Dec 29, 2011 10:17:09 GMT 1, I think the thing that separates the few from the herd is being original . shepard fairey, banksy and Damien hirst were all the first to do exactly what they do, Imitators follow but they don't have the same voracity and will never be as sought after
Shepard has never had an original idea, ever.
I think the thing that separates the few from the herd is being original . shepard fairey, banksy and Damien hirst were all the first to do exactly what they do, Imitators follow but they don't have the same voracity and will never be as sought after Shepard has never had an original idea, ever. |
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by debaser on Dec 29, 2011 10:27:37 GMT 1, Maybe art is the new Rock and Roll...? 50 and 60's... Music. 80 and 90's... Comedy. 00 and 10's Art.
Really? I doubt it. If your talking about Banksy, then most people would know of him and his work, but the rest? Remi, pure evil, nick walker, ect. I doubt.
Maybe art is the new Rock and Roll...? 50 and 60's... Music. 80 and 90's... Comedy. 00 and 10's Art. Really? I doubt it. If your talking about Banksy, then most people would know of him and his work, but the rest? Remi, pure evil, nick walker, ect. I doubt. |
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hype and new prints/must have prints, by letiss on Dec 29, 2011 10:31:23 GMT 1, Eddiedangerous that is the best avatar I've seen. You should be given your own extra star for it. Paaaaat!
Eddiedangerous that is the best avatar I've seen. You should be given your own extra star for it. Paaaaat!
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?? Once I knew that it totally put me off his work - a lot of lessor artists on here have probably done the same at auction.. its part of the game. Warmgun you going to name the artist 
?? With regards to hype on this forum though I agree with Motor's 'flavour of the month' seems like its Dran these days, Charming Baker a few months ago etc... buy what you like and you wont be dissapointed regardless if the price goes up or down. No doubt a lot of people on here have made nice profits from hyping up & constantly buying prints then immediately selling them on Ebay, each to their own.. 
