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[Gentle Mental]

and "dog" is the right expression. no doubt there.

[johnnyh]

They may well do it but he has been given his bill/fine and now has time to pay it. That's fair and the law.

Still not replied what dogs do I work for??

[kunstrasen]

Dec 29, 2013 14:45:22 GMT 1 .dappy said:

... getting back to the art  ... am I allowed to say that I think it is a little bit rubbish in concept and execution!?!

(good cause though ... so that makes it alright?!? )

...always giggle when someone's coming along with poor execution argument. Just wondering how people would react if Banksy would release his 'Bomb Hugger' or Beejor his 'LV Child' these days...they'd get slagged off by the fine art syndicate, wouldn't they!?

[Gentle Mental]

Dec 29, 2013 15:25:22 GMT 1 johnnyh said:

They may well do it but he has been given his bill/fine and now has time to pay it. That's fair and the law.

Still not replied what dogs do I work for??

may well do it? but does not.

well proven? but not presented.

you are arguing about "may" well do it? hypotheticals?

it's not fair and it's not the law.

it's blatant corruption and abuse of power - the people who abuse their power and are corrupt are evil and are in my book, "dogs".

you have not answer any of my questions. you have no case.

just lies and cheap allegations from your masters.

enjoy shanghai bow wow kow tow.

[johnnyh]

So now their wrong because they did not arrest him
He has a tax bill he has to pay. He earns millions therefore has to pay tax. That's just the way it is

I do not kow tow just telling you the facts your the one with no reasoned argument or facts. You make lots of accusations no facts

I have no Chinese masters as you put it. So what dogs do I work for

You writing slogans for corporates better suits that description!!!

[Deleted]

Are you 2 going to get a room for NYE so we can all have a rest from your fighting?

[pcant]

Again, I suggest we hold a fundraiser to put these two in a boxing ring, or at least the alley behind a pub somewhere, then they can beat each other up and we don't have to KEEP READING THE SAME GARBAGE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER... such a waste of effort, you two.

[.dappy]

Dec 29, 2013 15:33:11 GMT 1 kunstrasen said:

Dec 29, 2013 14:45:22 GMT 1 .dappy said:

... getting back to the art  ... am I allowed to say that I think it is a little bit rubbish in concept and execution!?!

(good cause though ... so that makes it alright?!? )

...always giggle when someone's coming along with poor execution argument. Just wondering how people would react if Banksy would release his 'Bomb Hugger' or Beejor his 'LV Child' these days...they'd get slagged off by the fine art syndicate, wouldn't they!?

... getting back to art ... ... miss crab hands etc etc accepted and I think they have been talked about/slagged off about since the beginning.  I was looking at the flight in front of the moon(?) ... if it was on a blue background it could easily be the sun?  That's mainly why I commented on poor execution. Could have put a few craters in of the moon rather than a whitish blob with a few black/grey spots (?) ... there are enough images out there to refer too.

I did not know I was part of the 'fine art syndicate' ... I own some right ol'rubbish   ... but then again I do have 4* to my name 

[.dappy]

..."hello, hello? ... is that the Premier Inn? ... can I book a room for two please?"  "Double or two singles I do not know yet!... "

[johnnyh]

Def two singles ....but interesting he's gone quiet!!! The truth often hurts

[dreadnatty]

Dec 29, 2013 19:02:51 GMT 1 pcant said:

Again, I suggest we hold a fundraiser to put these two in a boxing ring, or at least the alley behind a pub somewhere, then they can beat each other up and we don't have to KEEP READING THE SAME GARBAGE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER... such a waste of effort, you two.

[Gentle Mental]

Just woke up. Good morning y'all.

REFRESHED! Ready got round 2?

Yes john uh you are wrong and make stuff up and write stuff based on dumb things fed to u by your china masters etc etc

So naive.

Being a simpleton and a thread troll you take it all in thinking you've the insider scoop. You have no facts, loser.

Just a big fat wallet full of cash from your masters and a big fat mouth full of fluids from the same people as well.

Back to you john uh.

Hey dappy, That moon is ai weiwei's moonmoonmoonmoon. Not a real moon. It's a lovely project do check it out.

[johnnyh]

Dec 30, 2013 1:44:46 GMT 1 Gentle Mental said:

Just woke up. Good morning y'all.

REFRESHED! Ready got round 2?

Yes john uh you are wrong and make stuff up and write stuff based on dumb things fed to u by your china masters etc etc

So naive.

Being a simpleton and a thread troll you take it all in thinking you've the insider scoop. You have no facts, loser.

Just a big fat wallet full of cash from your masters and a big fat mouth full of fluids from the same people as well.

Back to you john uh.

Hey dappy, That moon is ai weiwei's moonmoonmoonmoon. Not a real moon. It's a lovely project do check it out.

Sticks and stones Gental...that the best you can do after your nights sleep. Just resort to insults bit like a small child really

Not sure the cash in my wallet and the fluid in my mouth has much to do with Ai Wei Wei's tax bill.

Not many facts in your post above. That's just how low you go. Back to painting by numbers for you



 

[Gentle Mental]

you have no case. just empty words like "not many" "not sure" and "sticks and stones". not a single question answered. typical "dog" as a mainlander would say...

yawn. maybe i should go back to sleep.

you can't sleep, it looks like you've been up for over 16 hours! (something gnawing you?)


BTW, to everyone else, back to the art. here's a link to the Ai Weiwei's moon, do join and have fun:

www.moonmoonmoonmoon.com/

[pcant]

Whatever you do, don't discuss this in private like grown-ups, by all means, keep sniping at each other uselessly in the main board.

[Gentle Mental]

sorry pcant and all. espcially the guys at hf.

i really never wanted to.

but i do get very passionted about Ai WeiWei. and crossed when provoke with regards to this.

i guess my point has been made one too many times.

i will stop arguing, if johnny h will.

[johnnyh]

Dec 30, 2013 4:22:34 GMT 1 Gentle Mental said:

you have no case. just empty words like "not many" "not sure" and "sticks and stones". not a single question answered. typical "dog" as a mainlander would say...

yawn. maybe i should go back to sleep.

you can't sleep, it looks like you've been up for over 16 hours! (something gnawing you?)


BTW, to everyone else, back to the art. here's a link to the Ai Weiwei's moon, do join and have fun:

www.moonmoonmoonmoon.com/

Ha ha just re read your the one that's fact less that's why you resort to insults. Lack of reason and intelligence.

had plenty of sleep thx.

i may well be a dog but your just sad

[Wearology]

Dec 30, 2013 4:45:47 GMT 1 pcant said:

Whatever you do, don't discuss this in private like grown-ups, by all means, keep sniping at each other uselessly in the main board.

Please take this to a PM in a civil manner - on behalf of the staff at .info this has run it's course and needs to get back to the discussion about the artistic merit of this thread not personal insults.  Thanks - Wear 

[Gentle Mental]

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[johnnyh]

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[dreadnatty]

Dec 30, 2013 5:19:52 GMT 1 Wearology said:

Dec 30, 2013 4:45:47 GMT 1 pcant said:

Whatever you do, don't discuss this in private like grown-ups, by all means, keep sniping at each other uselessly in the main board.

Please take this to a PM in a civil manner - on behalf of the staff at .info this has run it's course and needs to get back to the discussion about the artistic merit of this thread not personal insults.  Thanks - Wear 

[sakyamuni]

On November 1, 2011, the Second Tax Inspection Bureau of the Beijing Local Tax Bureau issued the verdict that Fake Ltd. was guilty of tax evasion. The company was required to pay 5.26 million RMB in back taxes, 3.2 million RMB as late payment penalty and 6.77 million RMB as a fine, totaling 15.22 million RMB (USD 2.4 million).

When the fine was announced, Ai’s fans put on an overwhelming show of support by sending him thousands of cash donations totaling 9 million RMB within 10 days. The 30,000 contributions included paper planes made of folded bills left at his studio door and thrown over his garden wall. Ai declared the donations “loans” and issued designed “loan receipts” to each creditor.

Fake Ltd. appealed the verdict. In an unusual turn of events, the Beijing Chaoyang District People’s Court agreed to hear the case, but upheld the Tax Bureau’s verdict on July 20. Fake Ltd. filed a second, unsuccessful appeal with the Beijing Second Intermediate People’s Court.

In both trials the prosecution violated numerous laws, administrative regulations, and rules of evidence and procedure. The tax evasion charges against Ai’s company were widely seen as political retaliation for his outspoken criticism of the government. In a May 26, 2012 New York Times article recounting his experience in detention, Ai states that his interrogators had primarily questioned him about his political activism. They said, “Your real crime will be subversion of state power.”

Court documents are online:

fakecase.com/documents

[jonti]

So he still owes taxes right?
Does it really matter that's its political retaliation or that the prosecution broke rules during the court case?

...death and taxes

[Coach]

Dec 30, 2013 12:44:25 GMT 1 jonti said:

So he still owes taxes right?
Does it really matter that's its political retaliation or that the prosecution broke rules during the court case?

...death and taxes

Personally I think it does matter.
Those with power should not abuse it.
I know that this is over simplistic. And utopia will never exist. But shouting about abuses of power is something that we can do. Ai weiwei does that better than most, and for that I have a huge respect for him.

[johnnyh]

All very well Sakyamuni but this is just one side of the case all legal defense type docs follow this type of course


However consider the following. This is from the site of a US legal firm
Tax Fraud: The Government’s Fraudulent Acts
The saddest cases dealing with tax fraud allegations concern the government’s fraudulent misconduct—current or former IRS officials committing fraud. While it is all too common for the Government to accuse the tax payers and citizens of criminal tax fraud (and to succeed in incarcerating them and ruining their lives with bad publicity), it is rare for the Government to be found guilty of fraud.

Tax Fraud: The Statistics
In court, the IRS gets criminal tax convictions 90% of the time. A small number of practitioners win most of the acquittals. There are criminal tax specialists, practicing three decades or more who have never won a trial with all acquittals in their entire career. This won't be on their website.

Whats not in dispute is that he did not declare and fill out his tax returns so the moral of all this do as whether in the Us or. China the tax man will screw you

[Deleted]

Who ya gonna believe?
www.amnestyusa.org/research/reports/annual-report-china-2013

[jonti]

Very true, Coach, abuse of power is one of the fundamental problems of the world.
I respect his beliefs and such, and he can make things happen, not many people have that gift.
But does Ai abuse power he has? The power he has through his voice and art to influence, protest to not pay taxes
Why shouldn't he pay his way too.

[johnnyh]

Dec 30, 2013 17:12:02 GMT 1 @happymeal said:

Who ya gonna believe?
www.amnestyusa.org/research/reports/annual-report-china-2013

This is true you cannot knock Amnesty but they also have a similar report on all countries. But this thread is about Ai Wei Wei and getting below the surface.
eg look at his Tate video on the Sunflower seeds this is. Ai Wei Wei himself

www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-modern/exhibition/unilever-series-ai-weiwei/video

workers paid less than a pound an hour rumour that much less than that.

remember it was closed down at the Tate due to the dangers of breathing in the dust. There were also traces of lead in he seeds. Notice how not one person in the production has a protective mask both workers and the miners etc in the whole video not one mask but they are available and worn in most factories
sureley Ai Wei Wei ethics and morals etc should extend to this. Or would it have put the price up
notice throughout the video the use of water shots of streams etc. there seems no protection of the local water table and the water from the porcelain washing away including its lead and it's dust.
Notice as it shows him parading around the workshop where the painting is being done. HE Struts the workers work head down speaking when spoken to by him
the young girl who he thanks for painting so many seeds she says no need I got paid she earned. 2000-3000 rmb that's 2-300 pounds
So one needs to look at the ethics and abuse of the art so loved which is portrayed at highlighting exploitation and yet involved a huge amount of exploitation in its production.
this his video not the Chinese governments these are his workers that he parades around he sees nothing wrong with this at all so one does have to ask questions of him
Listen to how he speaks during the video as the big benefactor giving to these poor people who have so little etch is very condescending belittling tone. The year of the seed production it's revenue was less than one. 40th of the towns porcelain revenue production so he was a bit of an exploiter rather than the big benefactor he makes out. Notice when he talks to the workers they just talk to him and give home the reverence of a big customer they earn money from him there is no love for him or his project every conversation and interaction on the video is about work and production. They are to small to be told the concept and give their views on the seeds just producers for the western piece of art he is making not nce does he ask their vies or explain the concept

[highly framable]

Hi all,

happy new year.

we are happy to be giving away a bunch of zhao's newsprint version of "dream" 

Size: A2.
handpainted
silkscreen on newsprint
unsigned, (very) varied edition

folded to fit A5 envelope.

All you need to do is to make a donation (ANY amount) to any one of these organisation by end of 7 Jan 2014

Red Cross Philippines

Unicef for Hayyan

AVAAZ

World Wildlife Fund Singapore

Amnesty International

Email the donation receipt email with your shipping address to:

[e-mail]

and we'll ship one over as soon as they are ready

(zhao's paying for the printing, we're paying for the shipping!)



There is a fairly long queue as zhao is making over a hundred for @aiww, but we aim to get them done by february.

thank you all, and may 2014 be a super one for everybody, especially the less fortunate!

[highly framable]

a huge thanks for all the extremely generous donations so far!

you guys really rock.

keep them receipts coming! big or small, even a dollar is fine!

btw, the newsprints, though not numbered, is a limited. ed of 250. soooo hurry!

it's the new year! c'mon start the year right with some lurrrve giving'!

hf