[lee3]

May 18, 2009 23:02:41 GMT 1 etched said:

thanks lee3 - much appreciated. i actually offered 2k pounds for it and the guy nearly choked - i know he paid top dollar (pounds) for it so he wont sell so low. if things continue slow he might budge but im so so - are they a difficult sell due to the fact that they are transexuals ?

Imho, your offer was more than fair and high if anything. As to why they are a difficult sell, they just aren't his strongest body of work and there are tons of them. These canvases are everywhere so top dollar is never paid for them because they are anything but rare. If memory serves there was gigantic one in an evening sale in the past year or two which did bring in a couple million but that is not the norm. Perhaps the transexual is a turn off to some, I don't know. He was a portrait artist at this point in his career and the market has in essence stated that this is not one of his better groups of portraits and I agree. The flipside to that is one can get a Warhol for "cheap" and I can appreciate that attraction as I too shared that mindset when I began collecting.

[etched]

thanks lee3 - invaluable insight

[Daniel Silk]

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8179627.stm

Warhol's Jackson goes to auction

The portrait was commissioned to celebrate Thriller's record sales
A portrait by Andy Warhol of the late singer Michael Jackson is set to be auctioned in New York.
The 1984 portrait will be on show ahead of the sale at London's British Music Experience, inside the O2 Arena, where Jackson had been due to perform.
"This Andy Warhol portrait brings together the uncontested King of Pop Art with the uncontested King of Pop," said Janet Lehr, acting for the seller.
Warhol's painting of actress Liz Taylor, fetched $23.7m (£14m) in 2007.
In the same year, the 1963 painting Green Car Crash (Green Burning Car I) - depicting an overturned car on fire - sold for $71.7m (£42.8m), a record for a Warhol piece.
"The portrait was painted at the height of their careers and is a celebration of two of the great talents in global cultural history," said Ms Lehr, of the Jackson artwork.
American artist Warhol was a leading figure in the Pop Art movement, and he experimented by creating artworks from mass-produced images from American popular culture.
He died in 1987, following a gall bladder operation.

[lee3]

There are a number of these and they've always done average at auction. A similar one on blue was bought in last july with a low estimate of 250k GBP. This painting is returning to the auction block VERY quickly. It was just purchased a mere 2 months ago:

Andy Warhol
Title Michael Jackson
Description synthetic polymer paint and silkscreen inks on canvasExecuted in 1984, this work More ...
Medium synthetic polymer paint and silkscreen inks on canvas
Year of Work 1984
Size Height 30 in.; Width 26 in. / Height 76.2 cm.; Width 66 cm.
Misc. Stamped
Sale of Sotheby's New York: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 [Lot 00225]
Contemporary Art Day Sale
Estimate 250,000 - 350,000 US$
Sold For 278,500 US$ PREMIUM Currency Converter

It will be interesting to see what it sells for. While the Liz and Green Car crash have notable price tags, they have little in common (other than artist) with this painting. I suspect this seller believes they are going to realize a windfall and my guess is they might see a $100k profit which isn't bad for a few month's work. There is just a flood of michael jackson compositions on the art market at the moment which should come as no surprise.

[EHC]

what a cool piece. King of Pop Art does King of Pop Music. I think people's love for MJ and his music has been reignited following his unfortunate death, I know mine has. I'm guessing this hammer at around $700K

[Ruggs]

Interesting read in today's Mail on Sunday 'Live' magazine.

www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1242915/When-Warhol-Warhol-The-2-million-self-portrait-turning-art-world-head.html

[scandi]

Thanks for posting that. An interesting read for sure.

[DOH]

Yes very interesting article, there was an excellent Imagine/Alan Yentob documentary on this exact topic a few years back.

[lee3]

Simon's story certainly is legendary as the only work I know of that had both Hughes and Freemont claiming valid and the Foundation stating otherwise. Perhaps Vermin could help his cause.

[eyectopus]

Yep very interesting and strange.

[Michael Jacob]

Great read. Thanks!

[curiousgeorge]

Kinda on/off topic

Anyone seen 'who the fcuk is jackson pollock', been a while since ive it but i think his prints were found on it and still no COA.Still offered $2million and later $9million but won't budge, tough old girl!

video.yahoo.com/watch/3683100/10141059

[lee3]

>>>Anyone seen 'who the fcuk is jackson pollock', been a while since ive it but i think his prints were found on it and still no COA<<<

It demonstrates the power and authority any estate/foundation has as their word is all that matters to the market. Also, as its been demonstrated many times over, it's MUCH more difficult to have something deemed authentic if there is any question whatsoever after a catalog raisonee has gone to print. They are the defining catalog of works for any given artist and foundations aren't terribly interested in amendments or supplements. It's a big reason why the Warhol foundation is taking their time doing research and have already reserved a volume at the end (they're only through '69 thus far and '70-73 is due in the next year I believe) for works that were not included on the initial published volumes.

I've got the CR's for a number of artists but the 3 books that make up Warhol paintings and sculpture from '62-69 (which is well over a decade of publishing) are enormous and it boggles my mind to think how much more is to come. And once they finish paintings and sculpture through his death, they plan to try to tackle his commercial drawings from the late 40s on and his fine art drawings through his death. I suspect they will not be finished documenting his works for another 50+ years at this pace.

[brun]

yes but hey who f@ck reads the daily mail / sunday on here ? you are being brain washed ! stop ranting about immigrants !

[brun]

but nice article all the same .........

[aspyhole]

Yes, interesting, and rather scary too. To think that a couple of people on a committee can have such an impact on the art world in general...

A

[Deleted]

There is a film about this, it was on UK TV a few years ago, I think there was a man how was a friend of Warhol and he was given a gift by him, and these people would not authenticate his canvas. i think it was worth $10,00000 + with and jack without.

[digitalkid]

mail on sunday wtf?

edit: just read it and no surprise the c**t at the daily mail are slow on old news

[curiousgeorge]

Jan 19, 2010 14:07:46 GMT 1 topboy said:

There is a film about this, it was on UK TV a few years ago, I think there was a man how was a friend of Warhol and he was given a gift by him, and these people would not authenticate his canvas. i think it was worth $10,00000 + with and jack without.

Link legwork from thugloving

[mj]

Thanks for the videos curiousgeorge that was very interesting, feel sorry for the poor guy.
Do you guys think in years to come we will have problems with those early Banksy works done and printed by Eine ?
At the moment POW are not doing any authentication in gifts [prints] given to artist who helped at Cans or for street works, will this change in the future?

[lee3]

>>>Do you guys think in years to come we will have problems with those early Banksy works done and printed by Eine ?
At the moment POW are not doing any authentication in gifts [prints] given to artist who helped at Cans or for street works, will this change in the future? <<<

I suppose that depensds what you mean by problem. PC has been crystal clear with what they will and will not issue a COA for generally speaking. The more clarity on this issue while an artist is living, the easier it will be for future generations to deal after we're all long and gone. I would not hold my breath for PC to reverse course on anything with your comment "at the moment." Part of their job is to eliminate confusion and bring clarity for all to understand. Therefore, I would be stunned to see them reverse course on any of their previous edicts.

[silvermyn]

Having seen the pictures in the artilce I was a bit surpised to see that the Foundation's authentication board felt they had the right to stamp the back of a piece of work they did not own. Twice! You would'd imagine they would need the owners permission to do that. It's tantamount to criminal damage and I'd be suing them for that alone.

Refusing to give a COA (as POW do) or issuing a public finding of the authentication of a piece is one thing. But surely marking/damaging private property in this way cannot be justified. IMO where there is clear evidence of fraudulent behaviour by the owner or there is an intention to deceive then the police should be involved rather than the Foundation taking matters into their own hands.

I do hope Joe Simon wins his case

[lee3]

>>>>Having seen the pictures in the artilce I was a bit surpised to see that the Foundation's authentication board felt they had the right to stamp the back of a piece of work they did not own. Twice! You would'd imagine they would need the owners permission to do that. It's tantamount to criminal damage and I'd be suing them for that alone.<<<<<

It's a disclosure statement on the authentication form which Simon signed when he submitted his painting. The Foundation stated (at the time, not sure if they still do) that anything that is denied will be stamped on the reverse. I recall reading many years ago that this stamp even showed through to the front of the canvas if you looked close enough which adds further insult to injury. Simon can't sue for that as he willingly entered that process but he can and is suing for the other obvious reasons. Fwiw, most people I discussed this with years ago felt he had little chance of winning.

[Damien]

people always getting higher value when they die.how are people going to know if banky dies though if nobody knows who he is though, they /he could just keep on releasing paintings

[silvermyn]

Jan 19, 2010 18:30:51 GMT 1 lee3 said:

>>>>Having seen the pictures in the artilce I was a bit surpised to see that the Foundation's authentication board felt they had the right to stamp the back of a piece of work they did not own. Twice! You would'd imagine they would need the owners permission to do that. It's tantamount to criminal damage and I'd be suing them for that alone.<<<<<

It's a disclosure statement on the authentication form which Simon signed when he submitted his painting. The Foundation stated (at the time, not sure if they still do) that anything that is denied will be stamped on the reverse. I recall reading many years ago that this stamp even showed through to the front of the canvas if you looked close enough which adds further insult to injury. Simon can't sue for that as he willingly entered that process but he can and is suing for the other obvious reasons. Fwiw, most people I discussed this with years ago felt he had little chance of winning.

Thanks for clarifying lee3. Figured there would be some sort of terms and conditions allowing it somewhere allong the application process. Be careful what you sign up for I guess.

[lifeonwalls]

Good read, thanks for posting.

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[discoduster]

Looking to buy one of the iconic Campbells Soup prints but after a online search there seems to be a myriad of copies available.

I'm a poor peasant boy but I'm after something more than a standard poster repro, something like a numbered copy.

I've tried the Warhol museum but they only seem to have oversized giclees but don't say if they are numbered or limited in any way.

Any info would be greatfully received.

churz

[muti]

Have you tried the Sunday B morning editions?

[ricobenfico]

Apr 6, 2010 15:11:23 GMT 1 muti said:

Have you tried the Sunday B morning editions?

Even with these muti, there seems to be a few copies (I think). Currently on Ebay for example there are loads of Marilyns from "Sunday B Morning" from Germany. If I remember rightly, the same seller had a load of these going over a year ago when a member on here was selling his. Not sure what the story is myself.