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JetSet Graffiti, by buffin on Feb 18, 2010 16:53:16 GMT 1, Would be interesting to have a discussion in general (perhaps on a new thread) about if a gallery has a poor reputation how this could affect the price of prints on the secondary market. Would a poor reputation effectively invalidate a COA? Could you have confidence in the integrity of a limited edition run?
Would be interesting to have a discussion in general (perhaps on a new thread) about if a gallery has a poor reputation how this could affect the price of prints on the secondary market. Would a poor reputation effectively invalidate a COA? Could you have confidence in the integrity of a limited edition run?
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grafik
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JetSet Graffiti, by grafik on Feb 18, 2010 16:55:23 GMT 1, well i think there are lots of people on here , myself included, who are massive Dface fans though wouldnt buy any prints put out from JSG.
that effects dfaces sales
well i think there are lots of people on here , myself included, who are massive Dface fans though wouldnt buy any prints put out from JSG.
that effects dfaces sales
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JetSet Graffiti, by bigwilly on Feb 18, 2010 16:57:12 GMT 1,
I want my two dollars!
I want my two dollars!
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JetSet Graffiti, by bigwilly on Feb 18, 2010 16:58:41 GMT 1,
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pfffffffffft
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JetSet Graffiti, by pfffffffffft on Feb 18, 2010 17:07:55 GMT 1, Silky, I just want to thank you for leaving this thread up and active and trying to help get this worked out. I know this derails the purpose of your board but you've built a community and as such in any community there are honest folks, dishonest folks, and other issues to be dealt with - I strongly feel this is one of those issues that affects this community.
Quite a few years back I purchased a piece of art for about the same amount as Poppy and ultimately got burned as it was a fake. It was a very quick, hard lesson in not only knowing who you are doing business with but a very cold lesson in the legal system. In amounts such as this essentially all of your money will go to lawyers. In my instance this was purchased between my state and another so there was no real clear path to even file a suit due to the complexities between state lines, I could only imagine how complex it is between countries.
My point is, without this board and other similar boards, you really are doing business in the wild west so to speak. This board and others like it are truly the only real line of defense for collectors/buyers. It could have been any one of us out the $8K.
Anyway Silks, thanks mucho!
Silky, I just want to thank you for leaving this thread up and active and trying to help get this worked out. I know this derails the purpose of your board but you've built a community and as such in any community there are honest folks, dishonest folks, and other issues to be dealt with - I strongly feel this is one of those issues that affects this community.
Quite a few years back I purchased a piece of art for about the same amount as Poppy and ultimately got burned as it was a fake. It was a very quick, hard lesson in not only knowing who you are doing business with but a very cold lesson in the legal system. In amounts such as this essentially all of your money will go to lawyers. In my instance this was purchased between my state and another so there was no real clear path to even file a suit due to the complexities between state lines, I could only imagine how complex it is between countries.
My point is, without this board and other similar boards, you really are doing business in the wild west so to speak. This board and others like it are truly the only real line of defense for collectors/buyers. It could have been any one of us out the $8K.
Anyway Silks, thanks mucho!
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JetSet Graffiti, by manty on Feb 18, 2010 17:22:00 GMT 1, Yep, gotta agree with Pffffffft. I dont agree with alot the things he does here, but this is being done for the right reasons. Well done Mr Silk
And good luck Mr Poppy
Yep, gotta agree with Pffffffft. I dont agree with alot the things he does here, but this is being done for the right reasons. Well done Mr Silk
And good luck Mr Poppy
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JetSet Graffiti, by rosstierney on Feb 18, 2010 19:11:44 GMT 1, Last Login Date: Today at 17:43
Last Login Date: Today at 17:43
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chrisps303
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JetSet Graffiti, by chrisps303 on Feb 18, 2010 20:22:45 GMT 1, Yep, gotta agree with Pffffffft. I dont agree with alot the things he does here, but this is being done for the right reasons. Well done Mr Silk And good luck Mr Poppy
Have to agree with that.
Good luck also poppy, hope you manage to get your money back.
Yep, gotta agree with Pffffffft. I dont agree with alot the things he does here, but this is being done for the right reasons. Well done Mr Silk And good luck Mr Poppy Have to agree with that. Good luck also poppy, hope you manage to get your money back.
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spirit
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JetSet Graffiti, by spirit on Feb 18, 2010 20:44:55 GMT 1,
No tracking was ever sent ... I simply have a long line of excuses about moving from New York to LA, being busy, not being able to find anything etc.
Any response to this JetSet?
No tracking was ever sent ... I simply have a long line of excuses about moving from New York to LA, being busy, not being able to find anything etc. Any response to this JetSet?
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pfffffffffft
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JetSet Graffiti, by pfffffffffft on Feb 18, 2010 21:04:24 GMT 1, No tracking was ever sent ... I simply have a long line of excuses about moving from New York to LA, being busy, not being able to find anything etc. Any response to this JetSet?
Not to mention JetSet's post on giant that was scrubbed stating he would refund poppy's money. Just because it was scrubbed due to spurious legal threats, it certainly doesn't mean that post never existed.
What say you JetSet Graffitti?
No tracking was ever sent ... I simply have a long line of excuses about moving from New York to LA, being busy, not being able to find anything etc. Any response to this JetSet? Not to mention JetSet's post on giant that was scrubbed stating he would refund poppy's money. Just because it was scrubbed due to spurious legal threats, it certainly doesn't mean that post never existed. What say you JetSet Graffitti?
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ninja
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JetSet Graffiti, by ninja on Feb 18, 2010 21:42:00 GMT 1, Wow, spend a week away from the forum and look what happens... I'm not surprised either... Let me be very clear: We come to this forum to support the community and share our effort and our experiences. We do not post here exclusively to sell products. Please be mindful that this is a BENEFIT thread. Regardless of the lies, slander, and hate continually thrown towards our efforts, I'm extremely happy to report that we sold the 10 Publisher proofs and raised over $3,800 for the International Medical Corps. to use in their efforts to help support the relief effort in Haiti. The donation will be made shortly and confirmation will be sent to all clients. Thank-you very much to everyone who contributed to this wonderful effort. Those who were a part of this and the many other benefit sales that happened in this community are the real heroes of this effort. The skepticism, negativity, and hate is non-productive and leads nowhere. I will not let it cloud the good that we've achieved here. Thank you, everyone.
Wow, spend a week away from the forum and look what happens... I'm not surprised either... Let me be very clear: We come to this forum to support the community and share our effort and our experiences. We do not post here exclusively to sell products. Please be mindful that this is a BENEFIT thread. Regardless of the lies, slander, and hate continually thrown towards our efforts, I'm extremely happy to report that we sold the 10 Publisher proofs and raised over $3,800 for the International Medical Corps. to use in their efforts to help support the relief effort in Haiti. The donation will be made shortly and confirmation will be sent to all clients. Thank-you very much to everyone who contributed to this wonderful effort. Those who were a part of this and the many other benefit sales that happened in this community are the real heroes of this effort. The skepticism, negativity, and hate is non-productive and leads nowhere. I will not let it cloud the good that we've achieved here. Thank you, everyone.
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JetSet Graffiti, by ninja on Feb 18, 2010 21:43:05 GMT 1, Certainly a complaint of such magnitude deserves more formal consideration, in our opinion. We recognize and appreciate the communities concerns, and would love to find a resolution to this complaint. Thank-you. Good Efforts like this one are tarnished by this persons words, and that is unfortunate. Lahoda Fine Arts has printed and published over 6500 prints in 2009. We donated over $10,000 in cash and artwork to various causes in 2009. We support organizations like The International Medical Corps, CoachArt, The Mockingbird Foundation. Most recently a couple weeks ago, we teamed up with Trey Anastasio of Phish to create a benefit poster for The Kristine Anastasio Manning Memorial Fund. We printed 225 posters for free that were sold at his benefit concert to raise another $8-$10K for their cause. As our company continues to grow, we will continue our efforts in using art as a catalyst for social change. Thanks to everyone for their continued support of our efforts.
Certainly a complaint of such magnitude deserves more formal consideration, in our opinion. We recognize and appreciate the communities concerns, and would love to find a resolution to this complaint. Thank-you. Good Efforts like this one are tarnished by this persons words, and that is unfortunate. Lahoda Fine Arts has printed and published over 6500 prints in 2009. We donated over $10,000 in cash and artwork to various causes in 2009. We support organizations like The International Medical Corps, CoachArt, The Mockingbird Foundation. Most recently a couple weeks ago, we teamed up with Trey Anastasio of Phish to create a benefit poster for The Kristine Anastasio Manning Memorial Fund. We printed 225 posters for free that were sold at his benefit concert to raise another $8-$10K for their cause. As our company continues to grow, we will continue our efforts in using art as a catalyst for social change. Thanks to everyone for their continued support of our efforts.
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JetSet Graffiti, by ninja on Feb 18, 2010 21:44:05 GMT 1, You seem to love patting yourself on the back for the good you do while completely ignoring legitimate and serious customer complaints. Why anyone is still willing to do business with you knowing your history is completely beyond me. I'm not patting myself on the back; it's important that people know the truth about who we are and what we are about; that's all. We aren't ignoring anything. We've invited the complainant to help us find a resolution to his accusations nearly 2 years ago when they were made. He has remained unwilling to do so, other than anonymously posting the same thing over and over again, getting the same folks riled up over and over again. Look, nothing is going to be resolved by this pandering. It's been going on 2 years now with the same BS. Please stop it.
You seem to love patting yourself on the back for the good you do while completely ignoring legitimate and serious customer complaints. Why anyone is still willing to do business with you knowing your history is completely beyond me. I'm not patting myself on the back; it's important that people know the truth about who we are and what we are about; that's all. We aren't ignoring anything. We've invited the complainant to help us find a resolution to his accusations nearly 2 years ago when they were made. He has remained unwilling to do so, other than anonymously posting the same thing over and over again, getting the same folks riled up over and over again. Look, nothing is going to be resolved by this pandering. It's been going on 2 years now with the same BS. Please stop it.
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JetSet Graffiti, by ninja on Feb 18, 2010 21:45:04 GMT 1, I've no doubt the mods on here can see the pms I've sent you and the non or crap replies I've had back so you certainly won't be fooling them for starters.I'll pm them to you again today so that the mods on here can confirm I've sent them. I've sent several emails this week and last week with no reply from my orange email address. In fact I've just completed paperwork I've been sent from the court and the office of consumer affairs in LA so they will be the next people to set eyes on this supposedly fictitious transaction. It has taken over 18 months to file this paperwork, and we have yet to see/hear any evidence of ANY of these claims from anyone other than anonymous people on the forums. We look forward to handling this directly. This verdict will be final, once it is written, and we look forward to putting this behind us. We will not continue to engage in a forum argument over this matter. Thank-you for being an adult and acting accordingly. Just send me your contact info, so we can send a certified response! Please! This back and forth b**ching and moaning does nothing for any of us.
I've no doubt the mods on here can see the pms I've sent you and the non or crap replies I've had back so you certainly won't be fooling them for starters.I'll pm them to you again today so that the mods on here can confirm I've sent them. I've sent several emails this week and last week with no reply from my orange email address. In fact I've just completed paperwork I've been sent from the court and the office of consumer affairs in LA so they will be the next people to set eyes on this supposedly fictitious transaction. It has taken over 18 months to file this paperwork, and we have yet to see/hear any evidence of ANY of these claims from anyone other than anonymous people on the forums. We look forward to handling this directly. This verdict will be final, once it is written, and we look forward to putting this behind us. We will not continue to engage in a forum argument over this matter. Thank-you for being an adult and acting accordingly. Just send me your contact info, so we can send a certified response! Please! This back and forth b**ching and moaning does nothing for any of us.
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JetSet Graffiti, by ninja on Feb 18, 2010 21:51:04 GMT 1, The only other problem appears to be a few people say they are owned a DVD? For the sake of getting this bloody mess sorted I would recommend JetSet getting those set out FAST, or refunding those people a token amount to make up for not getting what they were expecting. If this thread needs to carry on can I ask that ONLY people who feel they are owned something from JetSet post please! otherwise its very unclear who's actually stating a problem, and those just baiting things. Silky, I have explained a number of times that the COA was sent out to everyone a month after they received the print. This was by request of the artist, as he was concerned about people flipping the prints for a quick buck, which was really out of control a couple years ago when we released the print. So, we sent them out about a month after the sale to avoid the flipping. Curious George's COA was signed by the publisher, printer and the Artist. It was not a blank COA. The DVD's are a non-issue. I've told every client (and posted here on the forum) that the DVD was posted on our YouTube channel instead, so everyone could enjoy the clip whenever they want. Here it is:
The only other problem appears to be a few people say they are owned a DVD? For the sake of getting this bloody mess sorted I would recommend JetSet getting those set out FAST, or refunding those people a token amount to make up for not getting what they were expecting. If this thread needs to carry on can I ask that ONLY people who feel they are owned something from JetSet post please! otherwise its very unclear who's actually stating a problem, and those just baiting things. Silky, I have explained a number of times that the COA was sent out to everyone a month after they received the print. This was by request of the artist, as he was concerned about people flipping the prints for a quick buck, which was really out of control a couple years ago when we released the print. So, we sent them out about a month after the sale to avoid the flipping. Curious George's COA was signed by the publisher, printer and the Artist. It was not a blank COA. The DVD's are a non-issue. I've told every client (and posted here on the forum) that the DVD was posted on our YouTube channel instead, so everyone could enjoy the clip whenever they want. Here it is:
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JetSet Graffiti, by ninja on Feb 18, 2010 21:51:35 GMT 1, So its sounds like people had paid for a DVD? and they were expecting one, but JetSet went back on that deal and posted it the footage on youtube. To me it sound like JetSet should be paying back whatever amount that DVD cost to all those people. Is that all correct? How much was charged for each DVD? The idea was that people get the print and have a chance to see the production of the print and hear from the artist. There's no real "value" to the DVD, it's a freebie, like ALL of our videos. For whatever it's worth, we put alot of hard work into this: www.youtube.com/user/jetsetgraffitiWe will gladly refund anyone who is upset about not having an actual DVD to hold. What do people think is a fair price? $20? We sell Abraham Obama, Ron English's hour long documentary for $20, that's how we came up with that number. If people don't want the $20, we can send them a copy of Abraham Obama for free. Does that sound fair?
So its sounds like people had paid for a DVD? and they were expecting one, but JetSet went back on that deal and posted it the footage on youtube. To me it sound like JetSet should be paying back whatever amount that DVD cost to all those people. Is that all correct? How much was charged for each DVD? The idea was that people get the print and have a chance to see the production of the print and hear from the artist. There's no real "value" to the DVD, it's a freebie, like ALL of our videos. For whatever it's worth, we put alot of hard work into this: www.youtube.com/user/jetsetgraffitiWe will gladly refund anyone who is upset about not having an actual DVD to hold. What do people think is a fair price? $20? We sell Abraham Obama, Ron English's hour long documentary for $20, that's how we came up with that number. If people don't want the $20, we can send them a copy of Abraham Obama for free. Does that sound fair?
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JetSet Graffiti, by afroken on Feb 18, 2010 23:35:44 GMT 1, you're online right now JSG. Are you going to do the right thing?
you're online right now JSG. Are you going to do the right thing?
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JetSet Graffiti, by afroken on Feb 18, 2010 23:40:29 GMT 1, gone
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JetSet Graffiti, by sug on Feb 19, 2010 0:02:38 GMT 1, a taster how about the confirmation email that the money had finally hit his account. I hope you get your money back. I really do. You're a gent and a scolar, the way you've kept your dignity with the man.
a taster how about the confirmation email that the money had finally hit his account. I hope you get your money back. I really do. You're a gent and a scolar, the way you've kept your dignity with the man.
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JetSet Graffiti, by blitsu on Feb 19, 2010 0:51:07 GMT 1, urbanartassociation.com/index.cgi?board=artrepublic&action=display&thread=26916&page=11
Erm, whilst here I'd just like to shake my head, slowly, at those of you who pooh poohed my doubts about JSG on the 1st page of this thread. I've been around, in one form or another, for a very, very, very long time...
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Poppy Sunshine
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JetSet Graffiti, by Poppy Sunshine on Feb 19, 2010 11:53:59 GMT 1, Logged in again at 8.22am
Look out for new forum members as he'll probably be changing name soon if following previous form.
Still awaiting your attorneys details jetset.
Logged in again at 8.22am
Look out for new forum members as he'll probably be changing name soon if following previous form.
Still awaiting your attorneys details jetset.
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spirit
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JetSet Graffiti, by spirit on Feb 19, 2010 12:21:13 GMT 1, JetSet - you do realise that's it's unlikely that you'll ever sell anything to anyone in the UK street art community again unless you sort this out right? How many people do you think have read this thread now? - the evidence (and your lack of response to it) speaks for itself.
Even those who originally posted in support of you have now gone very quiet. Probably because they have finally realised that it could just as easily have been them that were out of pocket for a serious amount of money - there but for the grace of god.
This isn't going to go away EVER until you make good on the money you owe. Every day that goes by without you doing so makes it less likely that your business will survive.
JetSet - you do realise that's it's unlikely that you'll ever sell anything to anyone in the UK street art community again unless you sort this out right? How many people do you think have read this thread now? - the evidence (and your lack of response to it) speaks for itself.
Even those who originally posted in support of you have now gone very quiet. Probably because they have finally realised that it could just as easily have been them that were out of pocket for a serious amount of money - there but for the grace of god.
This isn't going to go away EVER until you make good on the money you owe. Every day that goes by without you doing so makes it less likely that your business will survive.
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JetSet Graffiti, by Guest on Feb 19, 2010 12:40:22 GMT 1, JetSet - you do realise that's it's unlikely that you'll ever sell anything to anyone in the UK street art community again unless you sort this out right? How many people do you think have read this thread now? - the evidence (and your lack of response to it) speaks for itself. Even those who originally posted in support of you have now gone very quiet. Probably because they have finally realised that it could just as easily have been them that were out of pocket for a serious amount of money - there but for the grace of god. This isn't going to go away EVER until you make good on the money you owe. Every day that goes by without you doing so makes it less likely that your business will survive.
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JetSet - you do realise that's it's unlikely that you'll ever sell anything to anyone in the UK street art community again unless you sort this out right? How many people do you think have read this thread now? - the evidence (and your lack of response to it) speaks for itself. Even those who originally posted in support of you have now gone very quiet. Probably because they have finally realised that it could just as easily have been them that were out of pocket for a serious amount of money - there but for the grace of god. This isn't going to go away EVER until you make good on the money you owe. Every day that goes by without you doing so makes it less likely that your business will survive. correct.
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JetSet Graffiti, by lifeonwalls on Feb 19, 2010 15:21:56 GMT 1, JetSet - you do realise that's it's unlikely that you'll ever sell anything to anyone in the UK street art community again unless you sort this out right?
Or in the U.S for that matter...
JetSet - you do realise that's it's unlikely that you'll ever sell anything to anyone in the UK street art community again unless you sort this out right? Or in the U.S for that matter...
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JetSet Graffiti, by curiousgeorge on Feb 19, 2010 15:40:55 GMT 1, Maybe the artists he works with and print houses should be aware of this thread. What happened on the car forum, was everything pulled off it?
Does it go without saying Poppy should get pain in the ass money too, given the time frame??
Maybe the artists he works with and print houses should be aware of this thread. What happened on the car forum, was everything pulled off it?
Does it go without saying Poppy should get pain in the ass money too, given the time frame??
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Poppy Sunshine
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JetSet Graffiti, by Poppy Sunshine on Feb 19, 2010 16:33:40 GMT 1, A link to the car forum would be useful again if someone has it. Specific pointers to threads involving his dealings would be fantastic.
A link to the car forum would be useful again if someone has it. Specific pointers to threads involving his dealings would be fantastic.
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JetSet Graffiti, by joglu on Feb 19, 2010 16:53:09 GMT 1, A link to the car forum would be useful again if someone has it. Specific pointers to threads involving his dealings would be fantastic. there you go forum.e46fanatics.com/search.php?searchid=13148227
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Poppy Sunshine
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JetSet Graffiti, by Poppy Sunshine on Feb 19, 2010 17:50:18 GMT 1, Thanks joglu. Looks like the misery goes back years when you look into the car site and loads of other sites and articles on google.
I can only guess that the odd thread defending or supporting him must be himself in one of his many guises.
Thanks joglu. Looks like the misery goes back years when you look into the car site and loads of other sites and articles on google.
I can only guess that the odd thread defending or supporting him must be himself in one of his many guises.
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JetSet Graffiti, by nigelbgg on Feb 19, 2010 18:18:28 GMT 1, Been following this as a lurker for quite some time, and this situation finally forced me to join this board today.
I've had personal dealings with Daniel, and not all of them have gone as well as expected, then after reading of this mess back on the Obey forum, and now here, its apparent that the truth is often abused and treated disrespectfully by him.
The real reason I'm here is because I'm MORE concerned that the ''Charity'' that this thread was started for will never get to see the money supposedly raised, by the sale of D*Face prints... may I please ask to see scans of these documents posted online here for everyone to see the donation amount finally raised and proof of donation.
My second point is that not many of you will know Chris Walker, and his words won't mean much to you because of this, but he's bought art from me personally, and hand on heart he's a really honest person to deal with, I wish you the best of luck in getting your money back from this low life Chris.
Been following this as a lurker for quite some time, and this situation finally forced me to join this board today.
I've had personal dealings with Daniel, and not all of them have gone as well as expected, then after reading of this mess back on the Obey forum, and now here, its apparent that the truth is often abused and treated disrespectfully by him.
The real reason I'm here is because I'm MORE concerned that the ''Charity'' that this thread was started for will never get to see the money supposedly raised, by the sale of D*Face prints... may I please ask to see scans of these documents posted online here for everyone to see the donation amount finally raised and proof of donation.
My second point is that not many of you will know Chris Walker, and his words won't mean much to you because of this, but he's bought art from me personally, and hand on heart he's a really honest person to deal with, I wish you the best of luck in getting your money back from this low life Chris.
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JetSet Graffiti, by kronoopus on Feb 19, 2010 18:35:46 GMT 1, The real reason I'm here is because I'm MORE concerned that the ''Charity'' that this thread was started for will never get to see the money supposedly raised, by the sale of D*Face prints... may I please ask to see scans of these documents posted online here for everyone to see the donation amount finally raised and proof of donation. Ditto
The real reason I'm here is because I'm MORE concerned that the ''Charity'' that this thread was started for will never get to see the money supposedly raised, by the sale of D*Face prints... may I please ask to see scans of these documents posted online here for everyone to see the donation amount finally raised and proof of donation. Ditto
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