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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by spartan on Dec 5, 2009 12:47:51 GMT 1, Lots of unsigned pieces by various artists in this auction  are they really just posters? just the same sort of thing you could pick up at the Tate gift shop?
I totally agree. I just don't understand the point of buying anything unsigned, you may as well just go and buy the poster.
Lots of unsigned pieces by various artists in this auction are they really just posters? just the same sort of thing you could pick up at the Tate gift shop? I totally agree. I just don't understand the point of buying anything unsigned, you may as well just go and buy the poster. |
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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by James Smith 77 on Dec 5, 2009 13:32:06 GMT 1, IMO - prints are NOT the investment road to take. It doesn't matter who it is Shepard, Banksy, Mic, Neate, sell them all and buy some originals. IMHO of course.
IMO - prints are NOT the investment road to take. It doesn't matter who it is Shepard, Banksy, Mic, Neate, sell them all and buy some originals. IMHO of course.
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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by Simococo on Dec 5, 2009 14:49:37 GMT 1, at primary they all sold out so Micallef will have made a nice tidy lump I doubt he's that concerned He should be. Buyers have long memories, particularly painful ones and I doubt that his market will be enthusiastically wading into his works like before. So he made a pile at the start of his career, hope it lasts him as his primary prices for his works tumble further.
he shouldn't be at all
he is a painter
not a print manufacturer
he has a gift and that will always be represented. Those that bought his prints because they loved the work will remain passionate about what they bought, framed and displayed and those who wanted to flip? Well who needs those supporters, and seriously who cares about their pain and long memories??
at primary they all sold out so Micallef will have made a nice tidy lump I doubt he's that concerned He should be. Buyers have long memories, particularly painful ones and I doubt that his market will be enthusiastically wading into his works like before. So he made a pile at the start of his career, hope it lasts him as his primary prices for his works tumble further. he shouldn't be at all he is a painter not a print manufacturer he has a gift and that will always be represented. Those that bought his prints because they loved the work will remain passionate about what they bought, framed and displayed and those who wanted to flip? Well who needs those supporters, and seriously who cares about their pain and long memories?? |
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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by Pattycakes on Dec 5, 2009 22:10:42 GMT 1, Disagree with you James, Urban prints are no way to make an investment that is true, but the wider pritn market certainly is. I bought a Ben Nicholson in 2001 for 600 pounds, I sold it last week for nearly 9000 - if that's not a good investment I don't know what is.
Disagree with you James, Urban prints are no way to make an investment that is true, but the wider pritn market certainly is. I bought a Ben Nicholson in 2001 for 600 pounds, I sold it last week for nearly 9000 - if that's not a good investment I don't know what is.
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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by Deleted on Dec 5, 2009 23:00:07 GMT 1, nola was in s**tty condition.
i thought that was cheap (hype hype)  a few arrived that way, if i remember correctly
nola was in s**tty condition. i thought that was cheap (hype hype) a few arrived that way, if i remember correctly |
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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by walshy on Dec 6, 2009 2:15:53 GMT 1, Disagree with you James, Urban prints are no way to make an investment that is true, but the wider pritn market certainly is. I bought a Ben Nicholson in 2001 for 600 pounds, I sold it last week for nearly 9000 - if that's not a good investment I don't know what is.
er you forget that anyone that picked up a banksy before 05 would also be making that kind of profit % wise, anyone buying now and expecting the same kind of profit is crazy and completely missed the boat
Disagree with you James, Urban prints are no way to make an investment that is true, but the wider pritn market certainly is. I bought a Ben Nicholson in 2001 for 600 pounds, I sold it last week for nearly 9000 - if that's not a good investment I don't know what is. er you forget that anyone that picked up a banksy before 05 would also be making that kind of profit % wise, anyone buying now and expecting the same kind of profit is crazy and completely missed the boat |
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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by huggybear on Dec 6, 2009 11:13:11 GMT 1, In regards to Banksy prints, that's not strictly true. The market price for any of the recent signed prints by Mr B is anywhere between Β£1000 and Β£2000, yet POW continue to sell new releases at around Β£300-Β£400. If they increased the price to reflect the market value, the need for lotteries/bun fights would cease to exist and flippers would disappear back into the woodwork.
As long as POW continue to do this, Banksy prints will continue to be an excellent investment.
As for Micallef, who knows what will happen. A Girl Tokyo went for around Β£500 on Ebay the other day and people are almost having to give away some of the POW/Laz editions. If AM is going to do any prints in future they should be in small editions and priced to sell out gradually over the course of several months.
He is still a brilliant artist, its just that the print market has been ruined for him for the foreseeable future.
In regards to Banksy prints, that's not strictly true. The market price for any of the recent signed prints by Mr B is anywhere between Β£1000 and Β£2000, yet POW continue to sell new releases at around Β£300-Β£400. If they increased the price to reflect the market value, the need for lotteries/bun fights would cease to exist and flippers would disappear back into the woodwork.
As long as POW continue to do this, Banksy prints will continue to be an excellent investment.
As for Micallef, who knows what will happen. A Girl Tokyo went for around Β£500 on Ebay the other day and people are almost having to give away some of the POW/Laz editions. If AM is going to do any prints in future they should be in small editions and priced to sell out gradually over the course of several months.
He is still a brilliant artist, its just that the print market has been ruined for him for the foreseeable future.
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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by klyde on Dec 6, 2009 12:02:14 GMT 1, Looking forward to Micallefs prices falling further in truth as I'm a fan. I want friendly fire beside my JD (bought for Β£440 a year ago) I waited for that so I can wait further. A couple of head sudies for around the Β£300 mark wont go amiss either! If its framed and on my wall the "market value" is basically pointless. It means nothing.
Looking forward to Micallefs prices falling further in truth as I'm a fan. I want friendly fire beside my JD (bought for Β£440 a year ago) I waited for that so I can wait further. A couple of head sudies for around the Β£300 mark wont go amiss either! If its framed and on my wall the "market value" is basically pointless. It means nothing.
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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by trasbash on Dec 6, 2009 12:22:55 GMT 1, Its a shame that Micallef seems to of taking a tumbling faster than most but i must admit its not a surprise. Agreed that it is mostly due to flooding the market but i have followed him for a long time and unfortunatly i genuinely believe that he has not progressed/developed in the way that artsits from a similar generation such as Adam neate have, certainly on a commercial level. Although his most recent show did have its fans how many people can honestly say that they would rather own an orginal from that instead of one from a few years ago such as dirty deluxe, orginal angel bomber or 21st century Love?
He is however still young and way to talented to disapear but i cant help think that since that Laz is responsible for making him degress. Sure they both have done well out of the deal in the short term. Maybe that was the plan.
Its a shame that Micallef seems to of taking a tumbling faster than most but i must admit its not a surprise. Agreed that it is mostly due to flooding the market but i have followed him for a long time and unfortunatly i genuinely believe that he has not progressed/developed in the way that artsits from a similar generation such as Adam neate have, certainly on a commercial level. Although his most recent show did have its fans how many people can honestly say that they would rather own an orginal from that instead of one from a few years ago such as dirty deluxe, orginal angel bomber or 21st century Love?
He is however still young and way to talented to disapear but i cant help think that since that Laz is responsible for making him degress. Sure they both have done well out of the deal in the short term. Maybe that was the plan.
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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by jimbob68 on Dec 6, 2009 13:11:59 GMT 1, Micallef has natural artistic gifts and i think this temporary market fall will not make a difference to his future in the art world. It would be good to seem him through Europe a bit more . We are in a poisition just like the collapse in auction art values of the 80s
it means little to those that buy to keep except thatwe have the opportunity to buy cheaper!!!
Micallef has natural artistic gifts and i think this temporary market fall will not make a difference to his future in the art world. It would be good to seem him through Europe a bit more . We are in a poisition just like the collapse in auction art values of the 80s
it means little to those that buy to keep except thatwe have the opportunity to buy cheaper!!!
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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by snausages on Dec 6, 2009 16:39:56 GMT 1, Micallef's market fall has as much to do with bad management and hype overdrive gone awry. Another case of galleries pushing artists too far too fast. These prints should never have sold out at source for the absurd Β£4000 + vat they were asking for. Or even Β£1000 for the color litho series. But it's hard to blame them entirely when you could have sold almost anything printed on paper with a signature for Β£1000. Desire won, rational thought lost back then.
Beyond that it's up to micallef, I think he's talented but the content of his paintings often is just not very compelling.
$625 for a dirty deluxe and $2000 for a 21 century love. Ouch
phillipsdepury.com/auctions/online-catalog-results.aspx?sn=NY030209&search=micallef
Micallef's market fall has as much to do with bad management and hype overdrive gone awry. Another case of galleries pushing artists too far too fast. These prints should never have sold out at source for the absurd Β£4000 + vat they were asking for. Or even Β£1000 for the color litho series. But it's hard to blame them entirely when you could have sold almost anything printed on paper with a signature for Β£1000. Desire won, rational thought lost back then. Beyond that it's up to micallef, I think he's talented but the content of his paintings often is just not very compelling. $625 for a dirty deluxe and $2000 for a 21 century love. Ouch phillipsdepury.com/auctions/online-catalog-results.aspx?sn=NY030209&search=micallef |
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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by snausages on Dec 6, 2009 16:43:57 GMT 1, Also, I think it's shortsighted to say that buying prints aren't a good investment. It's as much a gamble as buying an original by any of the thousands of artists today but I could give hundreds of examples of nice returns in the past decade. I think Banksy prints are probably a good buy here, but only the more desirable prints.
Also, I think it's shortsighted to say that buying prints aren't a good investment. It's as much a gamble as buying an original by any of the thousands of artists today but I could give hundreds of examples of nice returns in the past decade. I think Banksy prints are probably a good buy here, but only the more desirable prints.
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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by Deleted on Dec 6, 2009 16:44:46 GMT 1, Micallef's market fall has as much to do with bad management and hype overdrive gone awry. Another case of galleries pushing artists too far too fast. These prints should never have sold out at source for the absurd Β£4000 + vat they were asking for. Or even Β£1000 for the color litho series. But it's hard to blame them entirely when you could have sold almost anything printed on paper with a signature for Β£1000. Desire won, rational thought lost back then. Beyond that it's up to micallef, I think he's talented but the content of his paintings often is just not very compelling. $625 for a dirty deluxe and $2000 for a 21 century love. Ouch phillipsdepury.com/auctions/online-catalog-results.aspx?sn=NY030209&search=micallef
compound creasing and soft pressure marks at the upper left margin corner, a crease at the lower right margin corner.
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pale offsetting in places along the margins, four creases at the upper right margin corner.
still cheap tho
Micallef's market fall has as much to do with bad management and hype overdrive gone awry. Another case of galleries pushing artists too far too fast. These prints should never have sold out at source for the absurd Β£4000 + vat they were asking for. Or even Β£1000 for the color litho series. But it's hard to blame them entirely when you could have sold almost anything printed on paper with a signature for Β£1000. Desire won, rational thought lost back then. Beyond that it's up to micallef, I think he's talented but the content of his paintings often is just not very compelling. $625 for a dirty deluxe and $2000 for a 21 century love. Ouch phillipsdepury.com/auctions/online-catalog-results.aspx?sn=NY030209&search=micallefcompound creasing and soft pressure marks at the upper left margin corner, a crease at the lower right margin corner. and pale offsetting in places along the margins, four creases at the upper right margin corner. still cheap tho |
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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by gilsteph on Dec 6, 2009 17:53:20 GMT 1, I swopped 21st Century Love for a Bomber Girl and some cash ages ago. He is an amazing painter and his early prints were fantasic. The problem was he floaded the market......but he will still be around in 20 years time and while I dont think anyone will be paying Β£4k again for one of his prints I do think they will be of some value.
I paid Β£700 for my 21st Century Love and will happily do it again some day. Any offers out there? ;-)
I swopped 21st Century Love for a Bomber Girl and some cash ages ago. He is an amazing painter and his early prints were fantasic. The problem was he floaded the market......but he will still be around in 20 years time and while I dont think anyone will be paying Β£4k again for one of his prints I do think they will be of some value.
I paid Β£700 for my 21st Century Love and will happily do it again some day. Any offers out there? ;-)
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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by manty on Dec 6, 2009 19:06:10 GMT 1, I paid over the odds for a few Mics. So as Sixpac says i am a mug.
But they are very nice hanging on my wall, and I am not losing any sleep over the purchases.
I've spunked my disposable income on much worse things than a few pics on my wall :-)
If the prices recover partly then great, but I dont know if i would sell, maybe when I tire of them I'll trade for something else I like.
Its not all about money, is it?
If it is, hows the pensions you've paid into doing at the moment?
I paid over the odds for a few Mics. So as Sixpac says i am a mug.
But they are very nice hanging on my wall, and I am not losing any sleep over the purchases.
I've spunked my disposable income on much worse things than a few pics on my wall :-)
If the prices recover partly then great, but I dont know if i would sell, maybe when I tire of them I'll trade for something else I like.
Its not all about money, is it?
If it is, hows the pensions you've paid into doing at the moment?
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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by gilsteph on Dec 6, 2009 19:12:41 GMT 1, Hi Manty.....i think alot of us did. I paid Β£1500 for a "no-one understands me" but I look almost everyday and I love it.
Compare that to the amount of money I have pi$$ed away in nights out over the years and it doesnt compare.
Years ago a few of us said buy what you like and you cant go wrong. I think it was true then and its just as true now!
Hi Manty.....i think alot of us did. I paid Β£1500 for a "no-one understands me" but I look almost everyday and I love it.
Compare that to the amount of money I have pi$$ed away in nights out over the years and it doesnt compare.
Years ago a few of us said buy what you like and you cant go wrong. I think it was true then and its just as true now!
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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Dec 6, 2009 20:52:19 GMT 1, Spartan I agree.. Unsigned?? Why buy unsigned?? Talking of posters.... I bought a 'Right Hand Red' (the first) signed print run. Now they are selling hundreds of posters for 25 notes?? not making much more money just pi**ing punters off. Its a shame these Micallef prices have come down but good if your a buyer and its going on your wall because you like the piece, not under the bed to make a profit... I doubt we will see any more unsigned from Banksy either.
Spartan I agree.. Unsigned?? Why buy unsigned?? Talking of posters.... I bought a 'Right Hand Red' (the first) signed print run. Now they are selling hundreds of posters for 25 notes?? not making much more money just pi**ing punters off. Its a shame these Micallef prices have come down but good if your a buyer and its going on your wall because you like the piece, not under the bed to make a profit... I doubt we will see any more unsigned from Banksy either.
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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by aarab on Dec 6, 2009 20:56:09 GMT 1, 1800 notes for a Nola seems a great price for the buyer given some of the recent hype on here. And yes, I do want one....
Excellent price for a Nola "in good, fresh condition" with pest control ;D
1800 notes for a Nola seems a great price for the buyer given some of the recent hype on here. And yes, I do want one.... Excellent price for a Nola "in good, fresh condition" with pest control ;D |
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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by snausages on Dec 6, 2009 21:49:14 GMT 1, Spartan I agree.. Unsigned?? Why buy unsigned??
I don't agree, I basically traded a newer banksy print for an unsigned LIITA and think it was a great decision. I think the early unsigned and very iconic works such as LIITA, Rude Cop, Queen Vic, Laugh Now, Happy Chopper etc. are basically of equal valley to a newer signed Nola, Donut, S&S etc. and I think they're value will hold up at least as well.
And no, it's not all about money. But it's pretty lame when I find out I paid $1000+ over the odds on something when I really don't have money to throw away. It happens, maybe I/we should know better, but it is a bit of a piss take that these galleries seriously took advantage of their clients and manipulated the hype and perceived market value of some of these artists and prints. Maybe we should have known better, maybe they should have known better. What I find surprising is how much people still vehemently support some of these galleries who make hundreds of thousands a year on these print releases.
Spartan I agree.. Unsigned?? Why buy unsigned?? I don't agree, I basically traded a newer banksy print for an unsigned LIITA and think it was a great decision. I think the early unsigned and very iconic works such as LIITA, Rude Cop, Queen Vic, Laugh Now, Happy Chopper etc. are basically of equal valley to a newer signed Nola, Donut, S&S etc. and I think they're value will hold up at least as well. And no, it's not all about money. But it's pretty lame when I find out I paid $1000+ over the odds on something when I really don't have money to throw away. It happens, maybe I/we should know better, but it is a bit of a piss take that these galleries seriously took advantage of their clients and manipulated the hype and perceived market value of some of these artists and prints. Maybe we should have known better, maybe they should have known better. What I find surprising is how much people still vehemently support some of these galleries who make hundreds of thousands a year on these print releases. |
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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Dec 7, 2009 3:33:55 GMT 1, Its just my opinion.. all i am saying is personally i wouldn't buy an unsigned and would rather save more for a signed print. Everyone has different opinions.. I won't moan about Static no more either.. I really like the print & some other stuff they have done but wont be buying any more from them guys..
Its just my opinion.. all i am saying is personally i wouldn't buy an unsigned and would rather save more for a signed print. Everyone has different opinions.. I won't moan about Static no more either.. I really like the print & some other stuff they have done but wont be buying any more from them guys..
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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by hanky on Dec 7, 2009 10:45:48 GMT 1, I had an original static commission completed and must say they were really good and the finished product is fantastic!
I had an original static commission completed and must say they were really good and the finished product is fantastic!
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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Dec 8, 2009 0:05:25 GMT 1, hi hanky.. mate i agree and i am not questioning the quality of their work, the 'Right Hand Red' i have is a really nice print.. it was just the posters they are selling which in my view does not make the image 'limited' any more...
hi hanky.. mate i agree and i am not questioning the quality of their work, the 'Right Hand Red' i have is a really nice print.. it was just the posters they are selling which in my view does not make the image 'limited' any more...
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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by jimmyc on May 27, 2010 23:42:54 GMT 1, Although not trying to hawk my goods, I had to list a Banksy of mine at the Bloomsbury Auction House due to the financial state of my household.
I decided to go with an auction house as I honestly don't think I would survive the stress of shipping a print and hoping that it got there intact while at the same time worrying if the buyer would pull a fast one on me (which is also not unheard of).
I let the auction house pick the estimates, the reserves and they handle the shipping, the insurance and everything in between.
I hope no one minds me posting this here.
best of luck to all of you.
ny.bloomsburyauctions.com/auction/NY049&printable
Although not trying to hawk my goods, I had to list a Banksy of mine at the Bloomsbury Auction House due to the financial state of my household. I decided to go with an auction house as I honestly don't think I would survive the stress of shipping a print and hoping that it got there intact while at the same time worrying if the buyer would pull a fast one on me (which is also not unheard of). I let the auction house pick the estimates, the reserves and they handle the shipping, the insurance and everything in between. I hope no one minds me posting this here. best of luck to all of you. ny.bloomsburyauctions.com/auction/NY049&printable |
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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by Fragile on May 28, 2010 3:22:12 GMT 1, Love the grey Nola
Love the grey Nola
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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by silvermyn on May 28, 2010 15:04:14 GMT 1, Can't belive they have the same estimate for an U/S Trolleys and a S&S ($2k-$3k)
Can't belive they have the same estimate for an U/S Trolleys and a S&S ($2k-$3k)
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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by jimmyc on Jun 4, 2010 1:34:47 GMT 1,
Thank you - I need it
Thank you - I need it |
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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by oliversmark on Jun 10, 2010 10:14:45 GMT 1, Anyone know the results?
What did the grey Nola sell for?
Anyone know the results?
What did the grey Nola sell for?
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Bloomsbury Auctions π¬π§, by oliversmark on Jun 10, 2010 10:18:48 GMT 1, $5500- just answered my own question!!!!!
$5500- just answered my own question!!!!!
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are they really just posters? just the same sort of thing you could pick up at the Tate gift shop? 
a few arrived that way, if i remember correctly 
