[nickodey]

hi, I ave been offered this original Banksy piece from 1999, it is a 3 colored stencil on painted board and is signed on the back but it s quite small approx 200mm X 200mm. I know its history and I think it is 1/3. I am not trying to sell or swap but would appreciate any views on the value and general oppinion of this piece as I have never been offered an original before!

[Cocteau 101]

Make sure the provenance is watertight.

[origo]

What he said...

[nickodey]

picture of back....

[James Smith 77]

After seeing the back definitely what the first two said. I would have sent pics to POW and Pest Control yesterday.

[snakes]

Interesting - think you might be better off saving your pennies or buying a print by Hutch.

[worlddomination]

This was on ebay about a year ago, i would definitely want a PC certificate before any money changes hands!

[nickodey]

Sept 6, 2008 11:32:30 GMT 1 snakes said:

Interesting - think you might be better off saving your pennies or buying a print by Hutch.

do you have one for sale ?

[westley]

i have only seen one of these before and the handle looked a lot smaller

[mammal2]

Its also terrible.

[leeoman]

The andipa gallery has one on wood from 1999 see the link below looks quite diffrent if you ask me, you need to PC to have a look at this. www.andipamodern.com/WorksbyBANKSY.htm

[nickodey]

is this the same

[alsbabar]

see the red dot, it never did sell

[leeoman]

that's the same

[nacional]

Bottom line should be is the image any good: this is crap, Fake's grenades beat this by a very long nose.....

[alsbabar]

i agree nacional its not a very good image and Fakes is definitely a better piece

[hitme]

this piece is definitely fake. it should be the same stencil if it was legit.
notice how the clip on the grenade is not attached to the stencil (left belt hook and right clip arm).
that grenade should have already exploded!

[timba82]

i hate to break the bad news to you my friend but personally i dont think the one you have been offered is authentic.....
look at the hook (top left) - there is no gap between the hook and the grenade, yet on yours there is. the handle looks gammy as hell

[nickodey]

OK, Enough said, thanks everyone! the only thing to do is send all details to PC on Monday and wait and see..................................

[thesewalls]

he's actually considering it!!!

[dicy700]

its amazing how people on here seem to think they are such experts!

[Photoxtc]

Sept 7, 2008 16:19:46 GMT 1 @dicey700 said:

its amazing how people on here seem to think they are such experts!

I'm not a Banksy expert by a long shot, but you have to admit that when comparing the two pieces they look nothing alike and that signature looks pretty fucked up as well...

The way I see is that most of the people on here are trying to help so someone doesn't get screwed!!! and if it wasn't for these people giving their opinions and advice on where to get this authenticated then he may very well be getting ripped off for this this seemingly fake piece...

[dicy700]

ok, thats fair, but just because the grenade from andipa is different, why does that make the other fake? the andipa one is '99 and the other is '98, also, why is the signature fucked up, what have you got it to compare it too?

[Zippy]

giving someone the advice to check it out with Pest Control is the best anyoen can do.
leave it to the experts to comment.
What Dicy says is quite right. too many experts on here looking at the signature and comparing it to the banksy print from under the bed.
This is a much older piece and the dates sound about right.
Instead of saying 'its an obvious fake' all we can do is point him in the right direction for authentification.
Z

[orangematt]

If the source of this piece is from where i think its from then i am pretty much 100% sure its a genuine piece .. a small stencil like this couldve been recut any number of times cos it would only take half an hour ish ! that would be my assumption on why the two pieces are different ... and the signature evolves as do the skills !!!

Naturally if anyones goin to spend any amount of money then get a PC certificate anyway just to remove any doubt ... that goes without saying.

The interest in this would be not so much for the quality of the image but for its part in history ... an early example of Mr B's .. who wouldnt want that !!!

Value would be a much harder thing to pin point - with PC certification ... i dunno 15k plus .. ( judging on prices of signed prints !?) what do you guys reckon .. assuming its genuine ?

[mammal2]

I think this is legit! oi oi

[bobbyt23]

Whether it's real or not it's a pretty rubbish image. Dont know how much you are being asked for it but I would save my pennies and buy something else if I had the choice.

Having said that Horses for Courses. If you like it and it's real knock yourself out.

[motor]

Sept 7, 2008 19:19:16 GMT 1 @bobbyt23 said:

Whether it's real or not it's a pretty rubbish image. Dont know how much you are being asked for it but I would save my pennies and buy something else if I had the choice.

Having said that Horses for Courses. If you like it and it's real knock yourself out.

Totally agree with Bobby here.
Each artist has stronger and weaker pieces and this is definitely not the strongest one by Mr B

[mammal2]

Its shit! But everyone had to start somewhere.

[Zippy]

I'd love to have it. Its early Banksy and part of his history.
Its not his strongest image but on seeing one at Andipa, i'd still love it.