Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud

[Deleted]

What's the relevance of the bottom photo? has B had the op?

[moron]

So according to the story. Banksy built the shredder into the frame that held the girl with balloon picture. The reason given by Banksy that if the picture came up for sale on the secondary market it would be shredded.

According to Sotheby's, the owner who submitted it to auction in 2018, acquired the artwork direct from the artist in 2006. So presumably this buyer did not realise that the modified frame held a shredder in it. Assuming of course that the buyer bought the artwork framed this way which according to Sotheby's stated it was.

So Banksy decided to keep track of this artwork for 12 years waiting for the day that it came up for auction at Sothebys and when it did, somehow Banksy managed to install working batteries inside the frame with no one knowing about it?

It is very convenient for this stunt to happen that this artwork was not re sold in a private sale and what if the artwork never came up for sale at auction. The shredder in the frame would never see the light of day.

It all comes across as a stunt with a dodgy back story.

Is there any record of this artwork in this frame being sold by the artist in 2006?

It could be that the date of the art is correct but the modifying the frame to put what looks like a shredder inside it was done not long before the art was submitted to Sotheby's by the owner.

The owner being Banksy or whoever runs the team and the buyer part of it too.

[Lroy]

" The owner being Banksy or whoever runs the team and the buyer part of it too."

Which owner ? The last one ? She is a woman from Germany not far from here and that's why the Shredded has been exposed in Baden Baden and now is Staatsgalerie Stuttgart Kuntsmuseum, for ever ( he has been shown also for a while ) ...
Anyway, JPS is a a bit exhausted about all this - I won't post his last comment about as I m not a snitch - and gave up about this story, now. And yes he is a nice chap, very sensitive.
So I don't know why people on here think that he is winchester or another one, just saying ( and it's not his writing style ).
It's like me when I took the defense of Mason ( a nice chap too ) for Devolved Parliament, at the difference that you would already recognized my writing hype style, ahaha !
Have a good day all !


www.staatsgalerie.de/en/exhibitions/review/2018/banksy.html

[Sundowner]

I haven't seen any proof there ever was a COA when the item went on the block - has anyone actually seen it? Pest Control and Sotheby's have a very tight relationship and if PC provided a backstory (for use as a catalogue description) but said COA was pending then that would have been sufficient.

As has already been stated here this was set-up purely as a stunt and the new COA would no doubt have been ready to go at the time when the stunt occurred.

[.dappy]

Jun 18, 2021 21:27:29 GMT 1 derivitive said:

May 10, 2021 11:20:43 GMT 1 nina79 said:

Oh no! The West Country Prince is reacting. The person that sells Banksy fakes for a living! I think nobody is waiting for your opinion.

The film also shows that 2006 isn't possible! No single battery will have power for 12 years mate. It's a fraud from the beginning. And Sotheby's was in it as well. 

You do realize, well... You obviously don't... That batteries can he swapped out?

... it's all right ... nina has moved on to defending dope gallery and their banksy tenners ...

[Minecrafter]

I've seen this auction today and was wondering if any of you collectors actually owns something numbered "00"?

Also it doesn't look like the 2006 balloon girl they shredded 🤔

www.sothebys.com/en/buy/auction/2022/the-now-evening-auction-3/girl-with-balloon-diptych-2

[kdrlly]

Fuck me backwards this is the best thread ever.🤣
It’s like being back on twatter! Conspiracies…. Accusations… false accounts.. fetch me my tin foil hat Jeeves and call Columbo.

[Minecrafter]

Sept 26, 2022 20:02:44 GMT 1 kdrlly said:

Fuck me backwards this is the best thread ever.🤣
It’s like being back on twatter! Conspiracies…. Accusations… false accounts.. fetch me my tin foil hat Jeeves and call Columbo.

So you think it's a coincidence that Banksys market is crashing since the article and this thread ? 
Surely the accusations would have been easily proven wrong yet others get called out for fraud/ropey behaviour all the time and everyone accepts it. I guess it's different when it effects your own pocket - egg on face springs to mind soon. 

[ubl]

Sept 27, 2022 20:00:41 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

Sept 26, 2022 20:02:44 GMT 1 kdrlly said:

Fuck me backwards this is the best thread ever.🤣
It’s like being back on twatter! Conspiracies…. Accusations… false accounts.. fetch me my tin foil hat Jeeves and call Columbo.

So you think it's a coincidence that Banksys market is crashing since the article and this thread ? 
Surely the accusations would have been easily proven wrong yet others get called out for fraud/ropey behaviour all the time and everyone accepts it. I guess it's different when it effects your own pocket - egg on face springs to mind soon. 

You're right, in fact this thread made the global market crash.  In all seriousness, I don't think it's about how they did it, just about the publicity/stunt.

[Reader]

Sept 27, 2022 20:00:41 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

Sept 26, 2022 20:02:44 GMT 1 kdrlly said:

Fuck me backwards this is the best thread ever.🤣
It’s like being back on twatter! Conspiracies…. Accusations… false accounts.. fetch me my tin foil hat Jeeves and call Columbo.

So you think it's a coincidence that Banksys market is crashing since the article and this thread ? 
Surely the accusations would have been easily proven wrong yet others get called out for fraud/ropey behaviour all the time and everyone accepts it. I guess it's different when it effects your own pocket - egg on face springs to mind soon. 

To think either could impact the international art market, mentally ill springs to mind tbh.

[kdrlly]

Sept 27, 2022 20:00:41 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

Sept 26, 2022 20:02:44 GMT 1 kdrlly said:

Fuck me backwards this is the best thread ever.🤣
It’s like being back on twatter! Conspiracies…. Accusations… false accounts.. fetch me my tin foil hat Jeeves and call Columbo.

So you think it's a coincidence that Banksys market is crashing since the article and this thread ? 
Surely the accusations would have been easily proven wrong yet others get called out for fraud/ropey behaviour all the time and everyone accepts it. I guess it's different when it affects your own pocket - egg on face springs to mind soon. 

I choose not to think about it, it is what it is, either conspiracy fraud or not. If the price goes up or down it shouldn’t really be that important, you should buy any art because you love it and can afford it at the time. If you can afford gen Bansky’s you’re probably safe from bankruptcy. 

[Minecrafter]

Interesting interview with my husband

[Acme Thunderer]

Aug 4, 2023 13:45:59 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

Interesting interview with my husband

We have very different definitions of “interesting”.

I pressed play and turned it off after 40 seconds (and surprised I lasted that long).

Thanks for sharing though - I’m sure someone will spend 1 hour 7 minutes listing to it. 😴

[bookends]

Oh woe is me, I'm not recognised like I should be, I deserve more respect from Weston, Blow my own trumpet blah blah, Pat myself on the back, Why cant I have been Banksy ?

Embarrassing, 

[Monkey]

Aug 4, 2023 13:45:59 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

Interesting interview with my husband

I'm afraid I don't know all the details about this story with JPS but as a general matter, I'd be embarrassed if my girlfriend / wife had to speak for me on public spaces such as here and praise something as "interesting" knowing it's totally not objective. 

[drip]

Been aware of JPS for years, never heard him speak before. Interesting to finally put a voice to a name. Not sure how important that is in the grand scheme of things, unless he phones me one day and asks me what I'm wearing, but here we are.
Cool.

[mandem]

Seems somewhat coincidental this JPS promo pops up today, along with all the other new accounts saying how great Mason Storm is.

[Daylight Robber]

Cringeworthy! Nothing else to add.

[Terry Fuckwitt]

I bought a big bag of bitter and salty popcorn especially for this premier... Five minutes in, I was actually starting to feel sorry for him, so had to quickly switch it off

[Minecrafter]

Obviously not many of you have listened to the part of how cowardly it is to be anonymous and how irrelevant an anonymous viewpoint is.

[drip]

Aug 4, 2023 15:50:03 GMT 1 lukas01 said:

Why do Artists have to fight with other Artists?
And what the fuck!

Wouldn't it be better to all be on the same side?... Fan the flames of Street Art all together?

Street Art together with Graffiti Art... are now the Art of the Century.
Some stories really seem like spoiled children to me.

Who should Matisse argue with?... Against Monet or against Renoir? Poor human being how limited you are in views. 🌌🌌🌌

Was it the art critic Clement Greenberg who said something like, "People will forgive a bad image. What they won't forgive is a bad attitude."

Matisse, Monet, Renoir, Picasso, they would've loved social media.

[bookends]

Aug 4, 2023 16:04:52 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

Obviously not many of you have listened to the part of how cowardly it is to be anonymous and how irrelevant an anonymous viewpoint is.

He is full of shit no matter what bit you listen too,  and that voice Jeeeeeeez

[bookends]

Aug 4, 2023 16:04:52 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

Obviously not many of you have listened to the part of how cowardly it is to be anonymous and how irrelevant an anonymous viewpoint is.

Painting walls with permission or 20 miles into the woods in 2017 is a far cry from painting them on city streets in the 90's illegally

stick to painting pebbles and have a show on Brighton beach  

So the world famous Banksy's viewpoint is irrelevant  
Bonkers statement

[d.r. perseus]

Aug 4, 2023 16:04:52 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

Obviously not many of you have listened to the part of how cowardly it is to be anonymous and how irrelevant an anonymous viewpoint is.

posted on a forum where folks are mostly anonymous. Why all the effort to convince the cowardly and irrelevant?

[Minecrafter]

Trying to bury a fraud makes things just more suspicious. "Love is in the bin" has a new name and date of execution.

Article is not by us by the way.

theartnewspaper.com/2024/01/23/banksys-shredded-girl-with-balloon-retitled-and-redated-for-second-time

[drip]

“There was physically only one work. But the change in title implies that the work changed status in the mind of the artist.”

Check and mate.

[Minecrafter]

Jan 24, 2024 17:32:17 GMT 1 drip said:

“There was physically only one work. But the change in title implies that the work changed status in the mind of the artist.”

Check and mate.

We're happy with that theory, because if there was physically only one work, then it has a false date of execution and backstory. Which is fraud. 

Edit: 
Now it's called "Girl without balloon" - I guess that's in tribute to my husband bursting it 😂

[Acme Thunderer]

If I spent £16 million on this, I reckon I could get PC to change it to ‘Girl with Chicken Kebab’ if I wanted.

[Manty]

Jan 24, 2024 17:54:39 GMT 1 drip said:

Every step of the way, "Girl-whose-title-and-date-of-creation-is-in-a-constant-state-of-flux" has been documented, reported, and talked about, in great detail. 

If this is fraud, I just can't believe Banksy and Sotheby's are so bad at covering their tracks. The victims of this fraud, which I presume are somehow......all of us...must be shocked. Truly shocked.

I mean, was it made in 2018 or 2021? And what do the owners call it when they have friends around for cheese and cocaine? This is chaos. What a world.

I'm being facetious obviously, but your husband must've absolutely creamed himself when that article popped up. It's all playing out just as he said it would. When he's right, he's right.

I think its all the people that lost money or were out of pocket over the sale that they are complaining about?

[drip]

Jan 24, 2024 18:00:37 GMT 1 Manty said:

Jan 24, 2024 17:54:39 GMT 1 drip said:

Every step of the way, "Girl-whose-title-and-date-of-creation-is-in-a-constant-state-of-flux" has been documented, reported, and talked about, in great detail. 

If this is fraud, I just can't believe Banksy and Sotheby's are so bad at covering their tracks. The victims of this fraud, which I presume are somehow......all of us...must be shocked. Truly shocked.

I mean, was it made in 2018 or 2021? And what do the owners call it when they have friends around for cheese and cocaine? This is chaos. What a world.

I'm being facetious obviously, but your husband must've absolutely creamed himself when that article popped up. It's all playing out just as he said it would. When he's right, he's right.

I think its all the people that lost money or were out of pocket over the sale that they are complaining about?

.....ah.

In that case, and on advice from my legal council, Terry, I retract my previous comment.