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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by Deleted on May 10, 2021 14:42:29 GMT 1, You might want google ironic. Whilst I may own a couple of banksys I have a very balanced opinion of his market and the manipulation that surrounds it. I don’t ignore the full truth and only yap when something good happens. We all gotta invest somewhere and I bought banksy when he was investible. The poor fools who bought in the last 6 months got burnt by the market manipulation.. unsigned Girl With Balloon results have dropped how much? Nice to see you learnt your lesson from buying Pejac at peak prices🤣
I think you’ve pretty much shown yourself for the buffoon you are with this post. I bought at the bottom and sold at the top. Thanks for coming though 
You might want google ironic. Whilst I may own a couple of banksys I have a very balanced opinion of his market and the manipulation that surrounds it. I don’t ignore the full truth and only yap when something good happens. We all gotta invest somewhere and I bought banksy when he was investible. The poor fools who bought in the last 6 months got burnt by the market manipulation.. unsigned Girl With Balloon results have dropped how much? Nice to see you learnt your lesson from buying Pejac at peak prices🤣 I think you’ve pretty much shown yourself for the buffoon you are with this post. I bought at the bottom and sold at the top. Thanks for coming though |
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by Terry Fuckwitt on May 10, 2021 14:57:45 GMT 1, Nice to see you learnt your lesson from buying Pejac at peak prices🤣 I think you’ve pretty much shown yourself for the buffoon you are with this post. I bought at the bottom and sold at the top. Thanks for coming though
Bollocks did you. Maybe the later ones while your tongue was stuck up Max's bottom, but I remember you buying pieces at high end. You need to lay off those Wham bars, they're messing with your head.
Nice to see you learnt your lesson from buying Pejac at peak prices🤣 I think you’ve pretty much shown yourself for the buffoon you are with this post. I bought at the bottom and sold at the top. Thanks for coming though Bollocks did you. Maybe the later ones while your tongue was stuck up Max's bottom, but I remember you buying pieces at high end. You need to lay off those Wham bars, they're messing with your head. |
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by Deleted on May 10, 2021 15:12:32 GMT 1, I think you’ve pretty much shown yourself for the buffoon you are with this post. I bought at the bottom and sold at the top. Thanks for coming though Bollocks did you. I remember you buying pieces at high end. You need to lay off those Wham bars, they're messing with your head.
😂 you worry about yourself fat boy
I think you’ve pretty much shown yourself for the buffoon you are with this post. I bought at the bottom and sold at the top. Thanks for coming though Bollocks did you. I remember you buying pieces at high end. You need to lay off those Wham bars, they're messing with your head. 😂 you worry about yourself fat boy |
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by Terry Fuckwitt on May 10, 2021 15:21:08 GMT 1, Bollocks did you. I remember you buying pieces at high end. You need to lay off those Wham bars, they're messing with your head. 😂 you worry about yourself fat boy
I worry about you more😉
Bollocks did you. I remember you buying pieces at high end. You need to lay off those Wham bars, they're messing with your head. 😂 you worry about yourself fat boy I worry about you more😉 |
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by pjc on May 10, 2021 16:27:14 GMT 1, I think you’ve pretty much shown yourself for the buffoon you are with this post. I bought at the bottom and sold at the top. Thanks for coming though Bollocks did you. Maybe the later ones while your tongue was stuck up Max's bottom, but I remember you buying pieces at high end. You need to lay off those Wham bars, they're messing with your head.
what’s a Wham bar?
I think you’ve pretty much shown yourself for the buffoon you are with this post. I bought at the bottom and sold at the top. Thanks for coming though Bollocks did you. Maybe the later ones while your tongue was stuck up Max's bottom, but I remember you buying pieces at high end. You need to lay off those Wham bars, they're messing with your head. what’s a Wham bar? |
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by RoboJ on May 10, 2021 16:32:26 GMT 1, I don't believe it was even meant to be fully destroyed. It was supposed to stop half way. It means the work was still complete and retained its message. There is no reason for it to stop working other than a communication error and if it was a poor signal it would have stuttered or not operated bang on que in the first place. A great stunt perfectly executed.
I don't believe it was even meant to be fully destroyed. It was supposed to stop half way. It means the work was still complete and retained its message. There is no reason for it to stop working other than a communication error and if it was a poor signal it would have stuttered or not operated bang on que in the first place. A great stunt perfectly executed.
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by Lazarus II on May 10, 2021 16:40:30 GMT 1, Bollocks did you. Maybe the later ones while your tongue was stuck up Max's bottom, but I remember you buying pieces at high end. You need to lay off those Wham bars, they're messing with your head. what’s a Wham bar?
bad for your fillings is what a Wham Bar is but tastes great.
Bollocks did you. Maybe the later ones while your tongue was stuck up Max's bottom, but I remember you buying pieces at high end. You need to lay off those Wham bars, they're messing with your head. what’s a Wham bar? bad for your fillings is what a Wham Bar is but tastes great. |
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by robo on May 10, 2021 16:40:37 GMT 1, This is nuts 😂
It’s only a fraud if the artwork isn’t made by Banksy.
Next you’ll be telling us that the Crude Oils are frauds because Banksy didn’t paint them in 1886.
This is nuts 😂
It’s only a fraud if the artwork isn’t made by Banksy.
Next you’ll be telling us that the Crude Oils are frauds because Banksy didn’t paint them in 1886.
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by Lord Lucas Roham on May 10, 2021 16:48:49 GMT 1, Does the buyer care? If yes, let them deal with it. If no, then it's nothing to do with any of us.
Next.
Does the buyer care? If yes, let them deal with it. If no, then it's nothing to do with any of us.
Next.
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by mojo on May 10, 2021 16:56:11 GMT 1, What a weird thing to even concern yourself with! Reeks of attention seeking. Nil point.
What a weird thing to even concern yourself with! Reeks of attention seeking. Nil point.
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by sfnyc on May 10, 2021 16:58:08 GMT 1, Nothing scandalous, backdating has been done by many iconic artists here and there... And you can't really date a stencil that way either, some are oversprayed some aren't... That methodology makes no sense
Nothing scandalous, backdating has been done by many iconic artists here and there... And you can't really date a stencil that way either, some are oversprayed some aren't... That methodology makes no sense
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by Lroy on May 10, 2021 17:13:55 GMT 1, Mine...
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by Sebastian Dusseldorf on May 10, 2021 17:33:43 GMT 1, I'm quite stunned by the naivety of the OP.
Obviously this was too big to fail and involved several stakeholders. And really, in what a sad world would we be living, if instead of what happened we would have got the following news:
"Banksy shredded at auction, unfortunately there is no photo of it, as it was really unexpected and took everyone involved by total surprise."
"Sotheby's finds shredder and saves valuable print from being destroyed. Shredder is as good as new and will go on auction soon. On ebay."
"Art world is shocked. It turns out the printed piece of paper Banksy destroyed in the biggest art stunt of the decade was signed in 2019 and not in 2006. Scandal!"
"Sebastian's uncle arrested. For many years he pretended to remove his thumb nail from his hand, while just fooling the little boy. Fraud!"
I'm quite stunned by the naivety of the OP.
Obviously this was too big to fail and involved several stakeholders. And really, in what a sad world would we be living, if instead of what happened we would have got the following news:
"Banksy shredded at auction, unfortunately there is no photo of it, as it was really unexpected and took everyone involved by total surprise."
"Sotheby's finds shredder and saves valuable print from being destroyed. Shredder is as good as new and will go on auction soon. On ebay."
"Art world is shocked. It turns out the printed piece of paper Banksy destroyed in the biggest art stunt of the decade was signed in 2019 and not in 2006. Scandal!"
"Sebastian's uncle arrested. For many years he pretended to remove his thumb nail from his hand, while just fooling the little boy. Fraud!"
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by Deleted on May 10, 2021 17:51:12 GMT 1, As concerned as OP's track record on the forum. Yawn
As concerned as OP's track record on the forum. Yawn
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by quinn on May 10, 2021 18:03:16 GMT 1, Imagine purchasing what became the most famous artwork in the world at the time then It doubling in value over night....only to discover the COA was backdated. Must be fucking. Hellish for the buyer
Imagine purchasing what became the most famous artwork in the world at the time then It doubling in value over night....only to discover the COA was backdated. Must be fucking. Hellish for the buyer
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by fenderusastrat on May 10, 2021 18:12:58 GMT 1, The year on the PC certificates isn't always correct and it certainly isn't the point of the certificates, in the first place. The certificates are primarily and mostly meant to certify authenticity of the work - and none of the other information on them is nearly as important. Although it is nice when the year is correct, I do not believe that the year being off has any impact on the value of the work itself. The PC certificates for the AP GWB prints have a year of 2004 on them even though they were released and sold (and likely made) over a decade later. Does that make them worth any less? I do not think so. Check the recent auction results for those prints with an "incorrect" year on the PC certificate from a decade earlier to see how much buyers care. GWB as an image was made over a decade before these prints were sold and also more than a decade before the "Love is in the Bin" work from Sotheby's sold - and everyone knows this - so it can be seen as correct to have an earlier year on certificates for the later released works of the same image. The stunt at the Sothebys sale was one of the greatest, if not the greatest, stunt pulled by any artist. Instead of applauding it for what it is, worrying about the year on the certificate seems to completely miss the point of it, IMO.
The year on the PC certificates isn't always correct and it certainly isn't the point of the certificates, in the first place. The certificates are primarily and mostly meant to certify authenticity of the work - and none of the other information on them is nearly as important. Although it is nice when the year is correct, I do not believe that the year being off has any impact on the value of the work itself. The PC certificates for the AP GWB prints have a year of 2004 on them even though they were released and sold (and likely made) over a decade later. Does that make them worth any less? I do not think so. Check the recent auction results for those prints with an "incorrect" year on the PC certificate from a decade earlier to see how much buyers care. GWB as an image was made over a decade before these prints were sold and also more than a decade before the "Love is in the Bin" work from Sotheby's sold - and everyone knows this - so it can be seen as correct to have an earlier year on certificates for the later released works of the same image. The stunt at the Sothebys sale was one of the greatest, if not the greatest, stunt pulled by any artist. Instead of applauding it for what it is, worrying about the year on the certificate seems to completely miss the point of it, IMO.
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by silvermyn on May 10, 2021 18:54:54 GMT 1, The year on the PC certificates isn't always correct and it certainly isn't the point of the certificates, in the first place. The certificates are primarily and mostly meant to certify authenticity of the work - and none of the other information on them is nearly as important. Although it is nice when the year is correct, I do not believe that the year being off has any impact on the value of the work itself. The PC certificates for the AP Girl With Balloon prints have a year of 2004 on them even though they were released and sold (and likely made) over a decade later. Does that make them worth any less? I do not think so. Check the recent auction results for those prints with an "incorrect" year on the PC certificate from a decade earlier to see how much buyers care. Girl With Balloon as an image was made over a decade before these prints were sold and also more than a decade before the "Love is in the Bin" work from Sotheby's sold - and everyone knows this - so it can be seen as correct to have an earlier year on certificates for the later released works of the same image. The stunt at the Sothebys sale was one of the greatest, if not the greatest, stunt pulled by any artist. Instead of applauding it for what it is, worrying about the year on the certificate seems to completely miss the point of it, IMO.
So what's important on a COA...? Everything IMHO.
PC COAs state the Title, Medium, Year, Size, Edition Number and in the Notes whether of not it is signed or unsigned etc. It is a "certification" that all those details are correct. At the bottom of the COA it states the the purpose of the document is to "... certify that the work described above is an 'original work of art' by Banksy."
Granted, the year of production may be the least of a buyer's concerns but PC are the only people that can confirm these details and it is done via the COA. The Year should be accurate, otherwise what's the point of including it?
The year on the PC certificates isn't always correct and it certainly isn't the point of the certificates, in the first place. The certificates are primarily and mostly meant to certify authenticity of the work - and none of the other information on them is nearly as important. Although it is nice when the year is correct, I do not believe that the year being off has any impact on the value of the work itself. The PC certificates for the AP Girl With Balloon prints have a year of 2004 on them even though they were released and sold (and likely made) over a decade later. Does that make them worth any less? I do not think so. Check the recent auction results for those prints with an "incorrect" year on the PC certificate from a decade earlier to see how much buyers care. Girl With Balloon as an image was made over a decade before these prints were sold and also more than a decade before the "Love is in the Bin" work from Sotheby's sold - and everyone knows this - so it can be seen as correct to have an earlier year on certificates for the later released works of the same image. The stunt at the Sothebys sale was one of the greatest, if not the greatest, stunt pulled by any artist. Instead of applauding it for what it is, worrying about the year on the certificate seems to completely miss the point of it, IMO. So what's important on a COA...? Everything IMHO. PC COAs state the Title, Medium, Year, Size, Edition Number and in the Notes whether of not it is signed or unsigned etc. It is a "certification" that all those details are correct. At the bottom of the COA it states the the purpose of the document is to "... certify that the work described above is an 'original work of art' by Banksy." Granted, the year of production may be the least of a buyer's concerns but PC are the only people that can confirm these details and it is done via the COA. The Year should be accurate, otherwise what's the point of including it? |
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by Sebastian Dusseldorf on May 10, 2021 19:00:30 GMT 1, Or a work of art at all, if it really was just a 2019 piece of paper that Banksy prepared for this performance.
Or a work of art at all, if it really was just a 2019 piece of paper that Banksy prepared for this performance.
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by rungsp on May 10, 2021 19:09:54 GMT 1, I'm thinking of doing this.
1. Buy a West Country Prince version of Girl With A Baloon
2. Buy a suitable chunky gold frame
3. Shred (just enough) in a domestic shredder (not going to try to replicate the in-frame one)
4. Assemble and hang
IS this anymore "fake" than just framing a WCP version?
I don't really know...I've certainly nothing against WCP prints, in a way they are (re)democratising Banksy who was once affordable and is now the stuff of dreams.
Your thoughts?
I'm thinking of doing this.
1. Buy a West Country Prince version of Girl With A Baloon
2. Buy a suitable chunky gold frame
3. Shred (just enough) in a domestic shredder (not going to try to replicate the in-frame one)
4. Assemble and hang
IS this anymore "fake" than just framing a WCP version?
I don't really know...I've certainly nothing against WCP prints, in a way they are (re)democratising Banksy who was once affordable and is now the stuff of dreams.
Your thoughts?
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by Forbidden Love on May 10, 2021 21:25:12 GMT 1, Has JPS seriously gone to these lengths?
what an idiot. 😂
What is JPS?
it's actually embarrassing and cringey.
Has JPS seriously gone to these lengths?
what an idiot. 😂
What is JPS?
it's actually embarrassing and cringey.
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by Deleted on May 10, 2021 21:35:27 GMT 1, I've never heard of a wham bar.
I've never heard of a wham bar.
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by quinn on May 10, 2021 21:42:00 GMT 1, I've never heard of a wham bar.
seriously? Your missing out
I've never heard of a wham bar. seriously? Your missing out |
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by scavos on May 10, 2021 21:58:19 GMT 1, I've never heard of a wham bar.
If you've never had your fillings yanked out and the roof of your mouth shredded by a 10p tuck shop Wham bar you simply haven't lived sir.
I've never heard of a wham bar. If you've never had your fillings yanked out and the roof of your mouth shredded by a 10p tuck shop Wham bar you simply haven't lived sir. |
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by howareya on May 10, 2021 22:02:53 GMT 1, I would like to add that I just watched 'Star Wars' and it is also a fraud. Did you know that their laser swords are fake? They are not real. They are an illusion to entertain us. THIS IS FRAUD.
The beginning of the movie says 'A long time ago, in a Galaxy far far away'- but it is fake! How can we even believe that this is real if the laser swords are fake.
I would like to add that I just watched 'Star Wars' and it is also a fraud. Did you know that their laser swords are fake? They are not real. They are an illusion to entertain us. THIS IS FRAUD.
The beginning of the movie says 'A long time ago, in a Galaxy far far away'- but it is fake! How can we even believe that this is real if the laser swords are fake.
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by silvermyn on May 10, 2021 22:29:57 GMT 1, I would like to add that I just watched 'Star Wars' and it is also a fraud. Did you know that their laser swords are fake? They are not real. They are an illusion to entertain us. THIS IS FRAUD. The beginning of the movie says 'A long time ago, in a Galaxy far far away'- but it is fake! How can we even believe that this is real if the laser swords are fake. There are also no sounds in space.
That's right. In space nobody can hear you scream...
Apologies, wrong sci-fi film.
I would like to add that I just watched 'Star Wars' and it is also a fraud. Did you know that their laser swords are fake? They are not real. They are an illusion to entertain us. THIS IS FRAUD. The beginning of the movie says 'A long time ago, in a Galaxy far far away'- but it is fake! How can we even believe that this is real if the laser swords are fake. There are also no sounds in space. That's right. In space nobody can hear you scream... Apologies, wrong sci-fi film. |
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by Lazarus II on May 10, 2021 22:44:58 GMT 1, I've never heard of a wham bar.
I suppose its a wee a bit like Refreshers chews but the zingy bits in a Wham Bar are really zingy, nothing fradulent sbout them at all.
I've never heard of a wham bar. I suppose its a wee a bit like Refreshers chews but the zingy bits in a Wham Bar are really zingy, nothing fradulent sbout them at all. |
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by mrizzle on May 10, 2021 23:13:00 GMT 1, I've never heard of a wham bar. I suppose its a wee a bit like Refreshers chews but the zingy bits in a Wham Bar are really zingy, nothing fradulent sbout them at all.
Irn Bru bars were, to my mind, the true prince amongst tangy (filling destroying) chewy bars. I believe that they were produced under licence by the same company as Wham bars (and Highland Toffee) but that the company McCowan’s (?) has since gone under. Dark times for kids...and private dentistry.
I've never heard of a wham bar. I suppose its a wee a bit like Refreshers chews but the zingy bits in a Wham Bar are really zingy, nothing fradulent sbout them at all. Irn Bru bars were, to my mind, the true prince amongst tangy (filling destroying) chewy bars. I believe that they were produced under licence by the same company as Wham bars (and Highland Toffee) but that the company McCowan’s (?) has since gone under. Dark times for kids...and private dentistry. |
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by slevin on May 10, 2021 23:13:03 GMT 1, JPS the type of guy to remind the teacher to set homework
JPS the type of guy to remind the teacher to set homework
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by tab1 on May 10, 2021 23:17:50 GMT 1, I suppose its a wee a bit like Refreshers chews but the zingy bits in a Wham Bar are really zingy, nothing fradulent sbout them at all. Whenever Wham bars are mentioned on this forum, the same members chime in trying to hype them up. Clearly trying to protect their investments. I bet they don’t even eat them, just keep them locked away in their plan chests. It’s embarrassing really.
Duds! All about the stinger bars, more zing!
www.treasureislandsweets.co.uk/chewy-bars/stinger-chewy-bars.html
I suppose its a wee a bit like Refreshers chews but the zingy bits in a Wham Bar are really zingy, nothing fradulent sbout them at all. Whenever Wham bars are mentioned on this forum, the same members chime in trying to hype them up. Clearly trying to protect their investments. I bet they don’t even eat them, just keep them locked away in their plan chests. It’s embarrassing really. Duds! All about the stinger bars, more zing! www.treasureislandsweets.co.uk/chewy-bars/stinger-chewy-bars.html |
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by Hairbland on May 11, 2021 0:03:32 GMT 1, Still a Banksy at the end of the day. So you would be happy with a back dated COA? That's illegal! The piece wasn't from 2006 but it's stated on the COA from Pest Control Office. There are a couple new items coming up in auction from Sotheby's that have back dated! That's fraud mister!
I thought under the circumstances the buyer had the option to not follow through with the sale, as it was a stunt, but was happy to as arguably it ended up being more valuable.
Still a Banksy at the end of the day. So you would be happy with a back dated COA? That's illegal! The piece wasn't from 2006 but it's stated on the COA from Pest Control Office. There are a couple new items coming up in auction from Sotheby's that have back dated! That's fraud mister! I thought under the circumstances the buyer had the option to not follow through with the sale, as it was a stunt, but was happy to as arguably it ended up being more valuable. |
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