[Rouen Cathedral]

Oct 23, 2019 16:36:48 GMT 1 pfffffffffft said:

Oct 23, 2019 16:25:04 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

False. I like a lot of banksy art.

I also don’t think everything he does is great art cause it’s by him.

I really hope Carly works with PC and has disqualified you. That would just be *chef's kiss* . You really are souring things round here.

Stop being such a stinker.

Yes because I’m calling a door mat a door mat. An unlimited door mat that is similar to others in the store.

Man like I’ve said before. One of banksy greatest artworks is how he has pulled the wool over so many of his fans eyes.

[Rouen Cathedral]

Oct 23, 2019 16:39:21 GMT 1 iamzero said:

I don’t like that weird looking baby with building blocks stencil on cardboard. Hope I’m not disqualified too.

How dare you say you don’t like a banksy work.

Lifetime ban from expressing your opinion!

[Inknart]

Oct 23, 2019 16:46:15 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

Oct 23, 2019 16:39:21 GMT 1 iamzero said:

I don’t like that weird looking baby with building blocks stencil on cardboard. Hope I’m not disqualified too.

How dare you say you don’t like a banksy work.

Lifetime ban from expressing your opinion!

Casually Sweeps RouenCathedral under mat ... blocked 

[sgolby]

Oct 23, 2019 16:45:24 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

Oct 23, 2019 16:36:48 GMT 1 pfffffffffft said:

I really hope Carly works with PC and has disqualified you. That would just be *chef's kiss* . You really are souring things round here.

Stop being such a stinker.

Yes because I’m calling a door mat a door mat. An unlimited door mat that is similar to others in the store.

Man like I’ve said before. One of banksy greatest artworks is how he has pulled the wool over so many of his fans eyes.

Perhaps this is precisely it, that this piece aims to remove the wool from so many people's eyes.  As humans we have become very good at selective awareness.  Our ability to walk by homeless people without even registering that they are there, or being able to go about our daily lives without a care that what we take for granted, are things which could be the difference between life or death for others.

Sure, in a literal sense it is a welcome mat like many others. However, it is made by refugees, using life vests that perhaps many of them wore on their journey.  Banksy, is inviting us to walk over and clean our feet on the notion of "welcoming,' much like western society has wiped it's responsibility to care for its weakest.  Further, the ability to view it as just a welcome mat is the embodiment of this selective awareness of which I just spoke.  Sure you could buy any other welcome mat for 50 quid and not think twice, or you could buy this one for 500 quid and begin a conversation with those who visit. 

Had these mats not been conceived by Banksy, used repurposed life vests that were found washed up on shores in Europe, and not been made by refugees in camps, perhaps the comparison to any other welcome mat would be fine.  However in this case, like it or not, it is a piece of art, and one that draws attention to several different societal woes. 

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[Daylight Robber]

Oct 23, 2019 16:45:24 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

Oct 23, 2019 16:36:48 GMT 1 pfffffffffft said:

I really hope Carly works with PC and has disqualified you. That would just be *chef's kiss* . You really are souring things round here.

Stop being such a stinker.

Yes because I’m calling a door mat a door mat. An unlimited door mat that is similar to others in the store.

Man like I’ve said before. One of banksy greatest artworks is how he has pulled the wool over so many of his fans eyes.

Why did Banksy put a doormat front and centre of one of the window displays in Croydon? Should've put it just inside the door.

[Deleted]

Got my mat today

£40 plus delivery

It's really not that much to pay is it? hand made etc etc. Looks good


If a few people put the same energy into placing an order for one as we do responding to this thread then perhaps a few more Women may get resettled?  (stop preaching preacher man)






lovewelcomes.org/collections/welcome-mats

[dilu]

Oct 23, 2019 16:58:42 GMT 1 sgolby said:

Oct 23, 2019 16:45:24 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

Yes because I’m calling a door mat a door mat. An unlimited door mat that is similar to others in the store.

Man like I’ve said before. One of banksy greatest artworks is how he has pulled the wool over so many of his fans eyes.

Perhaps this is precisely it, that this piece aims to remove the wool from so many people's eyes.  As humans we have become very good at selective awareness.  Our ability to walk by homeless people without even registering that they are there, or being able to go about our daily lives without a care that what we take for granted, are things which could be the difference between life or death for others.

Sure, in a literal sense it is a welcome mat like many others. However, it is made by refugees, using life vests that perhaps many of them wore on their journey.  Banksy, is inviting us to walk over and clean our feet on the notion of "welcoming,' much like western society has wiped it's responsibility to care for its weakest.  Further, the ability to view it as just a welcome mat is the embodiment of this selective awareness of which I just spoke.  Sure you could buy any other welcome mat for 50 quid and not think twice, or you could buy this one for 500 quid and begin a conversation with those who visit. 

Had these mats not been conceived by Banksy, used repurposed life vests that were found washed up on shores in Europe, and not been made by refugees in camps, perhaps the comparison to any other welcome mat would be fine.  However in this case, like it or not, it is a piece of art, and one that draws attention to several different societal woes. 

S
    

You have my vote.

[Gentle Mental]

Comparatively, aesthetically,
Banksy’s Mat is the uglier mat.

The straps buckle and the bright orange stitching that clashes with the dark boring background. Too stark, primitive and crude.

He wasn’t out to make an attractive rug.

He was out to make a powerful statement.

Unlike the other mats on the site. - elegant, no traces of its past lives, premium handcrafted beauties. Of which i will order one and use as intended. And I encourage all to do so as well. Whichever side you’re on.

[Deleted]

Reading through this thread or at least skipping through it is excruciating. This is an artistic work and as such a Banksy artwork. It is as many people have stated one of the better and most poignant items offered. He has signed off class 27 of the trademarks registered, while providing a shit load of cash for an incredible cause. You can say what you like about Banksy but he continually provides cash to worthy causes and in many cases it is not apparent (to us at least) that he has done so. Income redistribution and you don’t drag fox shit into the house. Anyone that has bought a mat has provided a good chunk of cash to love welcomes, will have an interesting item to add to their collection or use as you see fit and will have obviously helped a little. Nailed it yet again. Wait until you see the decorations for Christmas trees.

[dilu]

This “Mat” discussion is exactly what Banksy asks by “(does) art really matter?

a few years ago my then four year old daughter did a drawing which I loved so I framed. Exhibit A.


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now to most beyond me a loving parent it just looked like a doodle any child might produce. And you’d be right to think that. Yet, a short while later Dran did his exhibition at POW and invited people to submit drawings on a post card which he would judge and award a signed book and to the lucky one, a HMP print. I did my own drawing a cartoon rip off of Matisse and did my daughters drawing. 

Well Dran picked my daughters and at four she received a signed book with doodle.

Art is firstly what it means to us without the flip factor. If someone else gets the same enjoyment all the better. These mat are indeed mats with a social conscious meaning. And that’s the beauty of it. That’s why we should enjoy Banksy, Bly, Escif and many others. 

I’m now resting up for this evenings football 

[iamzero]

Oct 23, 2019 17:11:44 GMT 1 @runt said:

Got my mat today

£40 plus delivery

It's really not that much to pay is it? hand made etc etc. Looks good


If a few people put the same energy into placing an order for one as we do responding to this thread then perhaps a few more Women may get resettled?  (stop preaching preacher man)






lovewelcomes.org/collections/welcome-mats

Is that the Citrus one dude? Can’t find the sizes for it.

[nobokov]

Oct 23, 2019 7:40:40 GMT 1 @whatilike said:

Oct 23, 2019 6:06:31 GMT 1 nobokov said:

You should've seen the sandwiches that he designed for his kids this morning. Absolute works of art....kidding of course

What art do you like? Interested to know your context for what constitutes art, because your reasons for arguing this isn't art are on the 'my kid could do that' level.

You're talking about what the physical object is rather than why it was created. The why is the important part in whether or not something is art. Was the creator trying to convey something beyond just producing a physical object? In this case, absolutely yes. In the case of the other Love Welcomes mats, I'd say no, but some might disagree.

You can argue that anything is or isn't art based on whether you choose to engage with it. You can argue a Yayoi Kusama pumpkin is just a knick-knack. You can argue a Kaws is just a squiggly Snoopy. You can argue Warhol is just soup labels. You can argue Anish Kapoor just makes mirrors. If you choose not to consider the deeper intent then any conversation about its artistic merits becomes pointless.

I don't think that my argument has been that "my kid could do that." I think the main point might have been that all of this conversation and interest revolves around potential profit from some, feeling good about oneself, and Banksy worship from others. There are plenty of mats available from the site which are for the same purpose and intent and can be hung or framed to represent the same ideas. The mats just have a different designer. If this had truly been about the cause, those other mats would have been sold out by now through the sheer buying power of the UAA.

But it isn't about the cause, it's about having a Banksy trophy so that fans can cherish and others can sell on. It's just a Banksy item that we now coincidentally can attach "powerful" and "poignant" meaning. We all know now what the mats represent and the story behind the company. We are all "woke." Let's not pretend that we're now great humanitarians because we purchased it and posted on the plight of the less fortunate. If we were great humanitarians, we wouldn't be purchasing art. 

The discussion about edition size, and whether the label will have something Banksy-interesting attached, are all ways to add monetary value, building intrigue for the flip. 

The Banksy-designed mat is art in the same way as the other LoveWelcomes mats are art. And also, the mat is not art in the same way that those other mats are not works of art. Unfortunately, due to the price and artist's name, I'm forced to think of it as a piece of art, because I can't possibly think of it as a mat and step on it at that price. And for the LoveWelcomes mats, I can't possibly purchase them, because they are not collectible and I'm just as heartless as everyone else.

I'm glad and thankful that some on this forum can engage in interesting discussion about ideas and not surprised that others cannot. We always see mention of this forum going downhill in its lack of discussions on art, but I think that it's apparent that most are not looking for that type of discussion. It's more about group think, speculation, speculating, and flattery, than critical thought. Thankfully for you all, I've reached my character limit in this thread and can't add any additional comments.

[pfffffffffft]

Oct 23, 2019 16:45:24 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

Oct 23, 2019 16:36:48 GMT 1 pfffffffffft said:

I really hope Carly works with PC and has disqualified you. That would just be *chef's kiss* . You really are souring things round here.

Stop being such a stinker.

Yes because I’m calling a door mat a door mat. An unlimited door mat that is similar to others in the store.

Man like I’ve said before. One of banksy greatest artworks is how he has pulled the wool over so many of his fans eyes.

No, that's not why. It's because you have literally crapped all over everything GDP.

We get it. You don't think it's art.
We get it. You think Banksy has fooled us all.
We get it. You think we're idiots for caring about this mat.
We get it. You think we should all be outraged for Banksy defending his copyright.

We get all of it. WE GET IT. But your opinion is not the only opinion. You've made it clear, now you're just behaving like a jerk to spoil the discussion for everyone else.

Just because we disagree with your opinion it doesn't mean we haven't heard it. We disagree with it. You've made your points and they haven't swayed anyone. You are aware you are becoming rude and annoying and instead of being courteous you have decided to double down on it and be disruptive to the conversation. You are not entitled to force us to agree with you.

Enough already. I've tried to refrain from calling you a troll but I'm starting to think you are one.

[pfffffffffft]

Oct 23, 2019 16:49:21 GMT 1 Inknart said:

Oct 23, 2019 16:46:15 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

How dare you say you don’t like a banksy work.

Lifetime ban from expressing your opinion!

Casually Sweeps RouenCathedral under mat ... blocked 

Yep I'm on it too.

[love]

Oct 17, 2019 1:00:46 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

Depending on how many actually get made. Whether it’s the 500 or 1000 or the unlimited it in reality could easily be. Time will on tell if these were worth it...

This was your first post on this thread. Why couldn‘t you stop there? This post was good and may stand the test of time.

Now you try to tell us over 10 pages that this is not art. Some told you that you are right, why couldn‘t you just move on? I think everyone got your point, really everyone.

Not a single person said that the mat wasn‘t art when it was displayed at the GDP window. Quite the contrary was said when people saw it in the window. „Strong piece, made me think“ and People thought it was an special outstanding piece.

It all started when things went into a $$$ perspective and people were faster than you or just kept believing that it is a strong piece. It‘s like every release these days on that forum, people can‘t be happy for others that they snapped a Banksy, Pejac, deface,..., it has to be talked down.

And last, if he stitched the word Welcome, using the fabric from life vests abandoned on the beaches of the Mediterranean, on a canvas, you wouldn‘t think a second if it‘s art. He used a doormat now, which makes the piece even stronger and you still don‘t see art, it‘s ok... but please don‘t tell us every post.

Instead be happy with the people who took the chance to get a Banksy piece from source.

[tab1]

Should not need confirmation from others to confirm ones own mindset with regards to whether
an item is viewed as art or not .
Have individuality , what does a strangers opinion change ?
There has been the general description and meaning of art posted earlier and the piece hits the criteria to be described as such.
Everyone has different tastes , opinions , views
The question on gdp site should of been what constitutes art?
There is sometimes a herd mentallity here and people can not see past their strong opinions even if relevant facts , ideas are presented , there are alot here but unsaid that will flip these and are just guaging the general interest here for the open market🤑

[Rouen Cathedral]

Oct 23, 2019 18:20:28 GMT 1 love said:

Oct 17, 2019 1:00:46 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

Depending on how many actually get made. Whether it’s the 500 or 1000 or the unlimited it in reality could easily be. Time will on tell if these were worth it...

This was your first post on this thread. Why couldn‘t you stop there? This post was good and may stand the test of time.

Now you try to tell us over 10 pages that this is not art. Some told you that you are right, why couldn‘t you just move on? I think everyone got your point, really everyone.

Not a single person said that the mat wasn‘t art when it was displayed at the GDP window. Quite the contrary was said when people saw it in the window. „Strong piece, made me think“ and People thought it was an special outstanding piece.

It all started when things went into a $$$ perspective and people were faster than you or just kept believing that it is a strong piece. It‘s like every release these days on that forum, people can‘t be happy for others that they snapped a Banksy, Pejac, deface,..., it has to be talked down.

And last, if he stitched the word Welcome, using the fabric from life vests abandoned on the beaches of the Mediterranean, on a canvas, you wouldn‘t think a second if it‘s art. He used a doormat now, which makes the piece even stronger and you still don‘t see art, it‘s ok... but please don‘t tell us every post.

Instead be happy with the people who took the chance to get a Banksy piece from source.

Oh don’t worry about me. I didn’t miss out. I had the chance to buy when still in stock.

I just didn’t want to spend 500 pounds on a mass produced door mat conceptualized by banksy.

[mint]

Finally used the block post function for a few members on here.
Much more enjoyable without two little whiny bitchessss trying to get their post count to 4000 fastest!

[Winter]

Oct 23, 2019 18:52:15 GMT 1 mint said:

Finally used the block post function for a few members on here.
Much more enjoyable without two little whiny bitchessss trying to get their post count to 4000 fastest!

You won’t be able to read this then!

[Deleted]

Oct 23, 2019 17:54:35 GMT 1 iamzero said:

Oct 23, 2019 17:11:44 GMT 1 @runt said:

Got my mat today

£40 plus delivery

It's really not that much to pay is it? hand made etc etc. Looks good


If a few people put the same energy into placing an order for one as we do responding to this thread then perhaps a few more Women may get resettled?  (stop preaching preacher man)






lovewelcomes.org/collections/welcome-mats

Is that the Citrus one dude? Can’t find the sizes for it.

Yeah, Citrus


Approximately 32" x 24"
Handmade in Greece by women in refugee camps, colours and trim will vary
Every purchase directly supports refugees

[Deleted]

Oct 23, 2019 18:45:49 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

Oct 23, 2019 18:20:28 GMT 1 love said:

This was your first post on this thread. Why couldn‘t you stop there? This post was good and may stand the test of time.

Now you try to tell us over 10 pages that this is not art. Some told you that you are right, why couldn‘t you just move on? I think everyone got your point, really everyone.

Not a single person said that the mat wasn‘t art when it was displayed at the GDP window. Quite the contrary was said when people saw it in the window. „Strong piece, made me think“ and People thought it was an special outstanding piece.

It all started when things went into a $$$ perspective and people were faster than you or just kept believing that it is a strong piece. It‘s like every release these days on that forum, people can‘t be happy for others that they snapped a Banksy, Pejac, deface,..., it has to be talked down.

And last, if he stitched the word Welcome, using the fabric from life vests abandoned on the beaches of the Mediterranean, on a canvas, you wouldn‘t think a second if it‘s art. He used a doormat now, which makes the piece even stronger and you still don‘t see art, it‘s ok... but please don‘t tell us every post.

Instead be happy with the people who took the chance to get a Banksy piece from source.

Oh don’t worry about me. I didn’t miss out. I had the chance to buy when still in stock.

I just didn’t want to spend 500 pounds on a mass produced door mat conceptualized by banksy.

good, the end

[denzil]

Oh well....

[iamzero]

Thanks dude. Looks less orangey in your pictures. Can’t decide which one I want I order now.

[Rouen Cathedral]

Oct 23, 2019 18:55:38 GMT 1 @runt said:

Oct 23, 2019 17:54:35 GMT 1 iamzero said:

Is that the Citrus one dude? Can’t find the sizes for it.

Yeah, Citrus


Approximately 32" x 24"
Handmade in Greece by women in refugee camps, colours and trim will vary
Every purchase directly supports refugees
unique one of a kind limited edition artwork

Fixes it for you!

[pfffffffffft]

Oct 23, 2019 18:20:28 GMT 1 love said:

And last, if he stitched the word Welcome, using the fabric from life vests abandoned on the beaches of the Mediterranean, on a canvas, you wouldn‘t think a second if it‘s art. He used a doormat now, which makes the piece even stronger and you still don‘t see art, it‘s ok... but please don‘t tell us every post.

That's the most interesting perspective I've seen. If everything were the same but it was on a canvas rather than a mat would the naysayers still consider it art?

If not why? I mean, Eine's work is art so just saying it's a word on a canvas doesn't really fly here.

If so why?

[iamzero]

Oct 23, 2019 19:32:11 GMT 1 warchet said:

Oct 23, 2019 19:00:12 GMT 1 iamzero said:

Thanks dude. Looks less orangey in your pictures. Can’t decide which one I want I order now.

I got the citrus mat its a lot  more orangey in real life, there is some life vest weaved into it too, Its super soft and is being used as a table mat at the minute !

Torn between the sapphire stone or the citrus as a back door mat. The kids need something to put their wellies on.

[coller]

Oct 23, 2019 19:37:54 GMT 1 iamzero said:

Oct 23, 2019 19:32:11 GMT 1 warchet said:

I got the citrus mat its a lot  more orangey in real life, there is some life vest weaved into it too, Its super soft and is being used as a table mat at the minute !

Torn between the sapphire stone or the citrus as a back foot mat. The kids need something to put their wellies on.

sapphire stone looks nicer imo, but i imagine the citrus is better for dirt/stains/etc. so may be more fitting for your two child army 

[pfffffffffft]

Oct 23, 2019 19:39:30 GMT 1 coller said:

Oct 23, 2019 19:37:54 GMT 1 iamzero said:

Torn between the sapphire stone or the citrus as a back foot mat. The kids need something to put their wellies on.

sapphire stone looks nicer imo, but i imagine the citrus is better for dirt/stains/etc. so may be more fitting for your two child army 

No one likes the aqua?


lovewelcomes.org/collections/welcome-mats/products/welcome-mat-aqua?variant=19578596163641

[Terry Fuckwitt]

Oct 23, 2019 16:41:02 GMT 1 @runt said:

Oct 23, 2019 14:24:44 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

I’m all for conceptually calling anything designed, fabricated, crafted, performed, etc art.

Sure that Barista who incredibly and perfectly handles the morning rush at the coffee shop. Pure art.

That yoga instructor who blends music and the poses into one. Pure art.

That attorney who litigates and perfectly executes and argument in court. Pure art.

The designer of that fountain pen that writes oh so smooth. Pure art.

In concept yes. Anything and everything can be art.

But in reality there has to be a common sense line drawn.

When someone argues that one mat from a retail shop is art and the other is not just because an artists name is attached to it and it costs more. That’s insanity.

someone mentioned yoga

Hmmm.. I'm no expert, but seems to me you may have a mat fettish. Did you also buy a Peckham beer mat by any chance? If you need help for this problem I'll pass you on to my therapist friend, his names Matt🙂

[Rouen Cathedral]

Oct 23, 2019 19:32:25 GMT 1 pfffffffffft said:

Oct 23, 2019 18:20:28 GMT 1 love said:

And last, if he stitched the word Welcome, using the fabric from life vests abandoned on the beaches of the Mediterranean, on a canvas, you wouldn‘t think a second if it‘s art. He used a doormat now, which makes the piece even stronger and you still don‘t see art, it‘s ok... but please don‘t tell us every post.

That's the most interesting perspective I've seen. If everything were the same but it was on a canvas rather than a mat would the naysayers still consider it art?

If not why? I mean, Eine's work is art so just saying it's a word on a canvas doesn't really fly here.

If so why?

We talking the unlimited edition of canvases. Are they signed? Are they sold in an online store? Advertised as art or wall paper?