[drip]

If you're not weaving, hand-stitching can actually be quite quick. Especially once you've got the process nailed and a rhythm going.

[irl1]

Oct 20, 2019 13:35:38 GMT 1 drip said:

If you're not weaving, hand-stitching can actually be quite quick. Especially once you've got the process nailed and a rhythm going.

Are they drip dry? 

Must be the only thing we don't know about them

[irl1]

Oct 17, 2019 17:21:11 GMT 1 cg said:

http://instagr.am/p/B3ucIDqlb2m

Bump best of luck 

[Pipes]

Oct 20, 2019 5:54:46 GMT 1 kylekeizer said:

Oct 20, 2019 5:52:07 GMT 1 19818914 said:

Yep look at the brand and type it in you’ll find it. I’m too fucked up to help more than that.

I’ve only been able to find the company that produces the actual model of the life vest, not the “fake” ones that were actually used in the making of the mats. However, the company that produces the actual ones doesn’t seem to have an online shop.

Made by: 

mesicamarine.com/en/products/life-jacket-100-newton/gdr-002-100-newton-zipper-life-jacket/

Sold by:

www.hepsidenizde.com/urun/mesica-gdr-002-100n-fermuarli-can-yelegi

(In Turkish)

[drip]

Oct 20, 2019 13:39:17 GMT 1 irl1 said:

Oct 20, 2019 13:35:38 GMT 1 drip said:

If you're not weaving, hand-stitching can actually be quite quick. Especially once you've got the process nailed and a rhythm going.

Are they drip dry? 

Must be the only thing we don't know about them

I wonder if one of Banksy's representatives warned Love Welcomes that they might get inundated with weird questions from curious art anoraks.

[drip]

Not criticising anyone's choice on how to display their purchases but will displaying the mat next to a life jacket actually add anything to the whole thing? I mean, I think if people see you have a framed welcome mat on the wall, they're likely to ask about it (or read the little plaque next to it) and they'll learn about its origin, the construction and humanitarian aid crisis behind it. But what will the life jacket add? Sure, it might look more like the Banksy display, but they're still going to have to ask, otherwise it can just look like you welcome yachters or something. I fear we're slightly edging towards fetishizing this.


Edit: I'm talking about in a domestic home setting, obvs. If you're sticking it in a local museum, gallery or community centre, you go for it. 

[Daylight Robber]

Oct 20, 2019 14:23:56 GMT 1 drip said:

Not criticising anyone's choice on how to display their purchases but will displaying the mat next to a life jacket actually add anything to the whole thing? I mean, I think if people see you have a framed welcome mat on the wall, they're likely to ask about it (or read the little plaque next to it) and they'll learn about its origin, the construction and humanitarian aid crisis behind it. But what will the life jacket add? Sure, it might look more like the Banksy display, but they're still going to have to ask, otherwise it can just look like you welcome yachters or something. I fear we're slightly edging towards fetishizing this.


Edit: I'm talking about in a domestic home setting, obvs. If you're sticking it in a local museum, gallery or community centre, you go for it. 

If anyone knocks up an identical plaque to the one in the shop, would they please be so kind as to send the file my way?

[touchdowntodd]

Oct 20, 2019 14:32:47 GMT 1 Daylight Robber said:

Oct 20, 2019 14:23:56 GMT 1 drip said:

Not criticising anyone's choice on how to display their purchases but will displaying the mat next to a life jacket actually add anything to the whole thing? I mean, I think if people see you have a framed welcome mat on the wall, they're likely to ask about it (or read the little plaque next to it) and they'll learn about its origin, the construction and humanitarian aid crisis behind it. But what will the life jacket add? Sure, it might look more like the Banksy display, but they're still going to have to ask, otherwise it can just look like you welcome yachters or something. I fear we're slightly edging towards fetishizing this.


Edit: I'm talking about in a domestic home setting, obvs. If you're sticking it in a local museum, gallery or community centre, you go for it. 

If anyone knocks up an identical plaque to the one in the shop, would they please be so kind as to send the file my way?

I'd love that file as well

[Tax and Shipping]

Oct 20, 2019 14:34:16 GMT 1 touchdowntodd said:

Oct 20, 2019 14:32:47 GMT 1 Daylight Robber said:

If anyone knocks up an identical plaque to the one in the shop, would they please be so kind as to send the file my way?

I'd love that file as well

Did anyone take a decent quality photo of it? Should be fairly easy to recreate if there's one out there...

[Daylight Robber]

Oct 20, 2019 14:58:00 GMT 1 Tax and Shipping said:

Oct 20, 2019 14:34:16 GMT 1 touchdowntodd said:

I'd love that file as well

Did anyone take a decent quality photo of it? Should be fairly easy to recreate if there's one out there...

Not exactly a decent photo, but the text is legible.

[Tax and Shipping]

Oct 20, 2019 15:00:13 GMT 1 Daylight Robber said:

Oct 20, 2019 14:58:00 GMT 1 Tax and Shipping said:

Did anyone take a decent quality photo of it? Should be fairly easy to recreate if there's one out there...

Not exactly a decent photo, but the text is legible.

Nice! I'll get something mocked up tomorrow @ work. Just took a look at the GDP website to check the font, but it's built using your bogstandard Helvetica, Aerial etc by the look of it. The one used here's different so will do my best to match it as closely as possible... 

[pfffffffffft]

Oct 20, 2019 15:23:43 GMT 1 Tax and Shipping said:

Oct 20, 2019 15:00:13 GMT 1 Daylight Robber said:

Not exactly a decent photo, but the text is legible.

Nice! I'll get something mocked up tomorrow @ work. Just took a look at the GDP website to check the font, but it's built using your bogstandard Helvetica, Aerial etc by the look of it. The one used here's different so will do my best to match it as closely as possible... 

What about just adjusting the grey color like this? Still needs a little work but...

[nobokov]

Oct 20, 2019 14:23:56 GMT 1 drip said:

Not criticising anyone's choice on how to display their purchases but will displaying the mat next to a life jacket actually add anything to the whole thing? I mean, I think if people see you have a framed welcome mat on the wall, they're likely to ask about it (or read the little plaque next to it) and they'll learn about its origin, the construction and humanitarian aid crisis behind it. But what will the life jacket add? Sure, it might look more like the Banksy display, but they're still going to have to ask, otherwise it can just look like you welcome yachters or something. I fear we're slightly edging towards fetishizing this.


Edit: I'm talking about in a domestic home setting, obvs. If you're sticking it in a local museum, gallery or community centre, you go for it. 

I think it's just one step too far to be displaying it with a lifejacket. It might be similar to framing a donation receipt to Helen Keller International and displaying it next to a Braille dictionary.

[Deleted]

Waiting list must be huge by now.

[Pipes]

Oct 20, 2019 15:23:43 GMT 1 Tax and Shipping said:

Oct 20, 2019 15:00:13 GMT 1 Daylight Robber said:

Not exactly a decent photo, but the text is legible.

Nice! I'll get something mocked up tomorrow @ work. Just took a look at the GDP website to check the font, but it's built using your bogstandard Helvetica, Aerial etc by the look of it. The one used here's different so will do my best to match it as closely as possible... 

Not identical - but pretty similar...

[nobokov]

Oct 20, 2019 15:52:48 GMT 1 warchet said:

Oct 20, 2019 15:47:30 GMT 1 nobokov said:

I think it's just one step too far to be displaying it with a lifejacket. It might be similar to framing a donation receipt to Helen Keller International and displaying it next to a Braille dictionary.

After the initial photos I assumed the mats were attached to the jackets which really connected the two but alas you only get the mat so I dont think presenting both together is such a bad thing

Pain to display but not in anyway wrong

I guess I just don't see this mat as artwork, just a product you get in return for a donation. So from that perspective, displaying it like a piece of art comes off like bragging about buying a Banksy-related item rather than speaking about a particular set of issues.

[Deleted]

Oct 20, 2019 13:06:45 GMT 1 cg said:

Let me make it clear for ayauashca, jaygo and denzil, I couldn't give two hoots about free publicity, I got an early call about the mats and bought it to support the charity, never had plans to sell or profit from it. After it was confirmed I thought what's the point in me sticking it in drawer as I'm not going to frame it. A few weeks back I'd met up with one of the founders of Lucy's trust, he's a friend and I went to school with his partner who gave up veterinary practice to rescue dogs/animals, mostly abuse cases. To receive government funding they have to open to the public but wont/can't because of bite risk. They do this for love of the animals regardless and any help means alot, they put everything into it. They're friends, I wanted to help them. The mat could have been sold to someone else and that would've been the end of it. I helped in the only way I can by using my platform to raise some money, so far it's at £1600,fantastic, hopefully it brings some more attention to both charities and raises some more funds. Thanks to those that supported, thank you. To the keyboard warriors blow me.
Peace,
Andy

Of course you don't.  Your entire business model is based on the back of coat-tailing.  Even the artists you pump out, are parody's.  You love the attention, you big drama queen.  

Once Bbay goes live, it will be you blowing others.  Pucker up those lips 

[pfffffffffft]

Oct 20, 2019 16:16:48 GMT 1 nobokov said:

Oct 20, 2019 15:52:48 GMT 1 warchet said:

After the initial photos I assumed the mats were attached to the jackets which really connected the two but alas you only get the mat so I dont think presenting both together is such a bad thing

Pain to display but not in anyway wrong

I guess I just don't see this mat as artwork, just a product you get in return for a donation. So from that perspective, displaying it like a piece of art comes off like bragging about buying a Banksy-related item rather than speaking about a particular set of issues.

Art is in the eye of the beholder and anything can be art really, it just depends on your viewpoint. 

Just because you don't view it as art it doesn't mean someone else feels the same way.

Is this a photo taken by the local government documenting a homeless camp or a dump or is this a photo by a world renown photographer worth tens of thousands of dollars? I'm confident you won't know without a reverse image search which is the point.

[pfffffffffft]

Oct 20, 2019 16:31:21 GMT 1 @ayahuasca said:

Oct 20, 2019 13:06:45 GMT 1 cg said:

Let me make it clear for ayauashca, jaygo and denzil, I couldn't give two hoots about free publicity, I got an early call about the mats and bought it to support the charity, never had plans to sell or profit from it. After it was confirmed I thought what's the point in me sticking it in drawer as I'm not going to frame it. A few weeks back I'd met up with one of the founders of Lucy's trust, he's a friend and I went to school with his partner who gave up veterinary practice to rescue dogs/animals, mostly abuse cases. To receive government funding they have to open to the public but wont/can't because of bite risk. They do this for love of the animals regardless and any help means alot, they put everything into it. They're friends, I wanted to help them. The mat could have been sold to someone else and that would've been the end of it. I helped in the only way I can by using my platform to raise some money, so far it's at £1600,fantastic, hopefully it brings some more attention to both charities and raises some more funds. Thanks to those that supported, thank you. To the keyboard warriors blow me.
Peace,
Andy

Of course you don't.  Your entire business model is based on the back of coat-tailing.  Even the artists you pump out, are parody's.  You love the attention, you big drama queen.  

Once Bbay goes live, it will be you blowing others.  Pucker up those lips 

 
Honestly, take it to DMs please. This public quarreling is getting old. 

[Deleted]

Oct 20, 2019 16:31:21 GMT 1 @ayahuasca said:

Oct 20, 2019 13:06:45 GMT 1 cg said:

Let me make it clear for ayauashca, jaygo and denzil, I couldn't give two hoots about free publicity, I got an early call about the mats and bought it to support the charity, never had plans to sell or profit from it. After it was confirmed I thought what's the point in me sticking it in drawer as I'm not going to frame it. A few weeks back I'd met up with one of the founders of Lucy's trust, he's a friend and I went to school with his partner who gave up veterinary practice to rescue dogs/animals, mostly abuse cases. To receive government funding they have to open to the public but wont/can't because of bite risk. They do this for love of the animals regardless and any help means alot, they put everything into it. They're friends, I wanted to help them. The mat could have been sold to someone else and that would've been the end of it. I helped in the only way I can by using my platform to raise some money, so far it's at £1600,fantastic, hopefully it brings some more attention to both charities and raises some more funds. Thanks to those that supported, thank you. To the keyboard warriors blow me.
Peace,
Andy

Of course you don't.  Your entire business model is based on the back of coat-tailing.  Even the artists you pump out, are parody's.  You love the attention, you big drama queen.  

Once Bbay goes live, it will be you blowing others.  Pucker up those lips 

when bbay goes live he Will be a GONE fellow 👌💦😘

[Deleted]

**Crosses fingers for signed label**

[tab1]

Oct 20, 2019 16:42:31 GMT 1 pfffffffffft said:

Oct 20, 2019 16:31:21 GMT 1 @ayahuasca said:

Of course you don't.  Your entire business model is based on the back of coat-tailing.  Even the artists you pump out, are parody's.  You love the attention, you big drama queen.  

Once Bbay goes live, it will be you blowing others.  Pucker up those lips 

 
Honestly, take it to The bedroom please. This public quarreling is getting old. 

?

[nobokov]

Oct 20, 2019 16:41:17 GMT 1 pfffffffffft said:

Oct 20, 2019 16:16:48 GMT 1 nobokov said:

I guess I just don't see this mat as artwork, just a product you get in return for a donation. So from that perspective, displaying it like a piece of art comes off like bragging about buying a Banksy-related item rather than speaking about a particular set of issues.

Art is in the eye of the beholder and anything can be art really, it just depends on your viewpoint. 

Just because you don't view it as art it doesn't mean someone else feels the same way.

Is this a photo taken by the local government documenting a homeless camp or a dump or is this a photo by a world renown photographer worth tens of thousands of dollars? I'm confident you won't know without a reverse image search which is the point.

I understand your point. I think it's likely a small minority of the population that could interpret a welcome mat as art. 

For that picture, is that a segment of a complete image or is that the final work? Usually he moves garbage around and makes it into something beautiful. If this is the final image, it's pretty terrible and kind of a similar example as the mat, where the artist name is the thing on display rather than it being artwork. 

I wonder how Banksy would view the mat. Would he see it as an example of artwork, or not, but understanding how artcollectors and profiteers work and using that relationship for good? Can someone who knows him tab1 ask him?

[pellets]

I’m defo one of those people who think its art

EDIT: the mat that is

[teabaggins]

Oct 20, 2019 17:02:23 GMT 1 nobokov said:

Oct 20, 2019 16:41:17 GMT 1 pfffffffffft said:

Art is in the eye of the beholder and anything can be art really, it just depends on your viewpoint. 

Just because you don't view it as art it doesn't mean someone else feels the same way.

Is this a photo taken by the local government documenting a homeless camp or a dump or is this a photo by a world renown photographer worth tens of thousands of dollars? I'm confident you won't know without a reverse image search which is the point.

I understand your point. I think it's likely a small minority of the population that could interpret a welcome mat as art. 

For that picture, is that a segment of a complete image or is that the final work? Usually he moves garbage around and makes it into something beautiful. If this is the final image, it's pretty terrible and kind of a similar example as the mat, where the artist name is the thing on display rather than it being artwork. 

I wonder how Banksy would view the mat. Would he see it as an example of artwork, or not, but understanding how artcollectors and profiteers work and using that relationship for good? Can someone who knows him tab1 ask him?

It would seem that by displaying the Mat in the GDP store that Banksy considers it a piece of artwork (or at a minimum a piece of the greater art installation that was the GDP display) , no?
Also, as others (non forum know it all’s) have seen the piece, their opinion is that it is very powerful infact. Much like the migrants in a truck piece which I guess could also be reduced down to a toy if someone really wanted.

Seemingly those that do not consider the mat “art” are guided by things like value and edition sizes (a very forum trait)

[nobokov]

Oct 20, 2019 17:06:53 GMT 1 pellets said:

I’m defo one of those people who think its art

EDIT: the mat that is

Is art sometimes an illusion? If one person in the world (not talking about this mat) thinks that something is art, does it make it art? Sometimes it's just a toilet and bullshit right?

[nobokov]

Oct 20, 2019 17:08:27 GMT 1 teabaggins said:

Oct 20, 2019 17:02:23 GMT 1 nobokov said:

I understand your point. I think it's likely a small minority of the population that could interpret a welcome mat as art. 

For that picture, is that a segment of a complete image or is that the final work? Usually he moves garbage around and makes it into something beautiful. If this is the final image, it's pretty terrible and kind of a similar example as the mat, where the artist name is the thing on display rather than it being artwork. 

I wonder how Banksy would view the mat. Would he see it as an example of artwork, or not, but understanding how artcollectors and profiteers work and using that relationship for good? Can someone who knows him tab1 ask him?

It would seem that by displaying the Mat in the GDP store that Banksy considers it a piece of artwork (or at a minimum a piece of the greater art installation that was the GDP display) , no?
Also, as others (non forum know it all’s) have seen the piece, their opinion is that it is very powerful infact. Much like the migrants in a truck piece which I guess could also be reduced down to a toy if someone really wanted.

Seemingly those that do not consider the mat “art” are guided by things like value and edition sizes (a very forum trait)

But are they artworks in an art installation or products in a showroom?  Does this showroom comment on the ridiculousness of art? Gross Domestic Product, Solutions for wealth. I wonder if Banksy sees himself as an artist or just someone making fun of the artworld and art market. Are collectors people he thinks of with fondness or disgust?

[pfffffffffft]

Oct 20, 2019 17:02:23 GMT 1 nobokov said:

Oct 20, 2019 16:41:17 GMT 1 pfffffffffft said:

Art is in the eye of the beholder and anything can be art really, it just depends on your viewpoint. 

Just because you don't view it as art it doesn't mean someone else feels the same way.

Is this a photo taken by the local government documenting a homeless camp or a dump or is this a photo by a world renown photographer worth tens of thousands of dollars? I'm confident you won't know without a reverse image search which is the point.

I understand your point. I think it's likely a small minority of the population that could interpret a welcome mat as art. 

For that picture, is that a segment of a complete image or is that the final work? Usually he moves garbage around and makes it into something beautiful. If this is the final image, it's pretty terrible and kind of a similar example as the mat, where the artist name is the thing on display rather than it being artwork. 

I wonder how Banksy would view the mat. Would he see it as an example of artwork, or not, but understanding how artcollectors and profiteers work and using that relationship for good? Can someone who knows him tab1 ask him?

That picture is a complete image but part of a portfolio of I think 7 images by Vik Muniz who also moves the garbage around making it into something beautiful as part of the portfolio. Have you never seen a dandelion peeking out from cracks in the sidewalk and thought how striking it looks as an image? Again, it's in the eye of the beholder.

Banksy designed the mat so I would imagine he likes it...or at the very least thinks it's all right :-). Personally, as art it is poignant to me the way GDP had it displayed because coupled with the jacket it immediately conveys the spirit of the design/work. You understand it, or have an understanding of it, instantly. On it's own it's tougher for me as art. But that's really art right? Context is sometimes important, very much like that garbage photo.

That said, I haven't seen it in person so I'm not sure if the spirit of the work is conveyed without the support of the jacket because there are clues there like the straps.

Regardless, for someone like me I was able to donate and feel good about it and grab an authorized work so for me it's all upside. :-)

[pellets]

Oct 20, 2019 17:08:48 GMT 1 nobokov said:

Oct 20, 2019 17:06:53 GMT 1 pellets said:

I’m defo one of those people who think its art

EDIT: the mat that is

Is art sometimes an illusion? If one person in the world (not talking about this mat) thinks that something is art, does it make it art? Sometimes it's just a toilet and bullshit right?

I mean, you’re not wrong. Art is subjective. But Duchamp, or whatever artist one is discussing should be considered in the context of the art scene at the time.

Anything is art and people are also fully entitled to say that only painting or drawings are art. Who cares? Defo give your opinions but there’s no right or wring answer.

[pellets]

Oct 20, 2019 17:17:21 GMT 1 nobokov said:

Oct 20, 2019 17:08:27 GMT 1 teabaggins said:

It would seem that by displaying the Mat in the GDP store that Banksy considers it a piece of artwork (or at a minimum a piece of the greater art installation that was the GDP display) , no?
Also, as others (non forum know it all’s) have seen the piece, their opinion is that it is very powerful infact. Much like the migrants in a truck piece which I guess could also be reduced down to a toy if someone really wanted.

Seemingly those that do not consider the mat “art” are guided by things like value and edition sizes (a very forum trait)

But are they artworks in an art installation or products in a showroom?  Does this showroom comment on the ridiculousness of art? Gross Domestic Product, Solutions for wealth. I wonder if Banksy sees himself as an artist or just someone making fun of the artworld and art market. Are collectors people he thinks of with fondness or disgust?

This might be controversial but this is how I feel about L-13. Every time they have a new release their message seems to be “buy this you idiots!” It feels like they’re taking the piss out of their supporters while trying to act punk or alternative. I agree it can be hard to read peoples intentions because I’m sure everyone at L-13 loves their supporters.