[nobokov]

Oct 20, 2019 5:56:57 GMT 1 19818914 said:

Oct 20, 2019 5:54:46 GMT 1 kylekeizer said:

I’ve only been able to find the company that produces the actual model of the life vest, not the “fake” ones that were actually used in the making of the mats. However, the company that produces the actual ones doesn’t seem to have an online shop.

Yeah I don’t know where the fake ones are but I can get back to you tomorrow on the information for the real one.

I think I've secured a lifevest. Would you happen to know where I can rent a refugee to display with the vest and mat?

[nex]

Can we PLEASE stop trying to work out how many are going to be made, it’s leaving a bitter taste in my mouth

Thanks

[Gentle Mental]

Oct 20, 2019 7:55:02 GMT 1 nex said:

Can we PLEASE stop trying to work out how many are going to be made, it’s leaving a bitter taste in my mouth

Thanks

Why?

I think it’s fine.

Some of the mockers here do have a point.

If we had genuinely and urgently cared and wanted to give 500 we would’ve given 500 without expecting a Banksy in return.

So the talk of logistics, bunfight, number sold and market value are all part and parcel of what makes a Banksy a Banksy.

[Deleted]

Oct 20, 2019 1:10:11 GMT 1 Unica said:

Oct 19, 2019 23:45:37 GMT 1 pellets said:

I think the money from the castlegallery mat sale has now been pledged to Love Welcomes by the dog charity.

Fantastic gallery, and one of the most reputable Banksy dealers I know.

How are they reputable?  Primary sale of Banksy parody, which are generally quite shit, while reselling secondary of Banksy, where some a generally quite shit.

I think the Love Welcome Mat, actually shows the opportunistic nature of this gallery.  

Roll on Bbay

[dilu]

Oct 20, 2019 8:05:12 GMT 1 Gentle Mental said:

Oct 20, 2019 7:55:02 GMT 1 nex said:

Can we PLEASE stop trying to work out how many are going to be made, it’s leaving a bitter taste in my mouth

Thanks

Why?

I think it’s fine.

Some of the mockers here do have a point.

If we had genuinely and urgently cared and wanted to give 500 we would’ve given 500 without expecting a Banksy in return.

So the talk of logistics, bunfight, number sold and market value are all part and parcel of what makes a Banksy a Banksy.

Finally we are closing in on the truth.

Charity: is a good deed motivated by helping others where the personal gain is not s DOORMAT, even one endorsed by BANKSY. We should all try to do on random act of kindness a day. Yes a one off donation of £500 is a fine start but it’s not the start and end.

[Deleted]

Oct 20, 2019 7:55:02 GMT 1 nex said:

Can we PLEASE stop trying to work out how many are going to be made, it’s leaving a bitter taste in my mouth

Thanks

What do you expect on this forum, an articulate, rational, cohorent discussion about the product and the awareness of the plight and suffering of the refugees?

Wakey wakey

[sijh]

Oct 20, 2019 6:33:30 GMT 1 nobokov said:

Oct 20, 2019 5:56:57 GMT 1 19818914 said:

Yeah I don’t know where the fake ones are but I can get back to you tomorrow on the information for the real one.

I think I've secured a lifevest. Would you happen to know where I can rent a refugee to display with the vest and mat?

There are some jokes that fall a little flat...

[Gentle Mental]

Oct 20, 2019 8:24:40 GMT 1 sijh said:

Oct 20, 2019 6:33:30 GMT 1 nobokov said:

I think I've secured a lifevest. Would you happen to know where I can rent a refugee to display with the vest and mat?

There are some jokes that fall a little flat...

gosh... that is vile...

[tab1]

Oct 20, 2019 8:24:40 GMT 1 sijh said:

Oct 20, 2019 6:33:30 GMT 1 nobokov said:

I think I've secured a lifevest. Would you happen to know where I can rent a refugee to display with the vest and mat?

There are some jokes that fall a little flat...

Just some people lack empathy and understand hardships, sometimes it takes art to highlight world events out of ones own comfortable bubble 😶🙄
Easy to ignore news as long as it does not effect home.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Alan_Kurdi

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/we-were-not-as-brave-woman-drowned-in-channel-trying-to-save-baby-and-fellow-migrants-11830971

This makes me sad evertime i view this or read articles regarding the circumstances these people endure.
Especially having a three year old of my own , view life more precious

[Deleted]

Oct 20, 2019 8:11:43 GMT 1 @ayahuasca said:

Oct 20, 2019 1:10:11 GMT 1 Unica said:

Fantastic gallery, and one of the most reputable Banksy dealers I know.

How are they reputable?  Primary sale of Banksy parody, which are generally quites**t, while reselling secondary of Banksy, where some a generally quites**t.

I think the Love Welcome Mat, actually shows the opportunistic nature of this gallery.  

Roll on Bbay

you don't have to be a Einstein to work out his intentions. He only raffled the mat as he knew after purchase it be bad taste to sell it.

[tab1]

Oct 20, 2019 8:50:58 GMT 1 @jaygo said:

Oct 20, 2019 8:11:43 GMT 1 @ayahuasca said:

How are they reputable?  Primary sale of Banksy parody, which are generally quites**t, while reselling secondary of Banksy, where some a generally quites**t.

I think the Love Welcome Mat, actually shows the opportunistic nature of this gallery.  

Roll on Bbay

you don't have to be a Einstein to work out his intentions. He only raffled the mat as he knew after purchase it be bad taste to sell it.

With bbay not running yet and all the banksy coverage at the moment it seems like pr stunt , gets people to check the site and may lead to sales .. free advertising

[londonliam08]

Money corrupts Governments to act on selfish interests over the people.

Money corrupts other Governments to turn a blind eye.

Money corrupts the mind of the ruthless to traffic humans with no care of there outcome.

Money corrupts the company's bidding to house the lucky one's who made it and are 'legal' here in the UK.

Money corrupts the kid who bought a mat with good intentions, but can't let the profit go.

Money corrupts...

Graffiti, Stencil Graffiti, Street Art, Urban Art. Art. Money Corrupts. We are no different

[nex]

Oct 20, 2019 9:13:03 GMT 1 londonliam08 said:

Money corrupts Governments to act on selfish interests over the people.

Money corrupts other Governments to turn a blind eye.

Money corrupts the mind of the ruthless to traffic humans with no care of there outcome.

Money corrupts the company's bidding to house the lucky one's who made it and are 'legal' here in the UK.

Money corrupts the kid who bought a mat with good intentions, but can't let the profit go.

Money corrupts...

Graffiti, Stencil Graffiti, Street Art, Urban Art. Art. Money Corrupts. We are no different

BUT

We can accept the goodwill behind this partnership, the positive results this release will bring

And let go of our greed and our need to pick over the bare bones of capitalism to destroy the joy we can find in the act. We are all hypocrites that is true. But let’s just for once believe in something better.

[Deleted]

Oct 20, 2019 9:48:14 GMT 1 nex said:

Oct 20, 2019 9:13:03 GMT 1 londonliam08 said:

Money corrupts Governments to act on selfish interests over the people.

Money corrupts other Governments to turn a blind eye.

Money corrupts the mind of the ruthless to traffic humans with no care of there outcome.

Money corrupts the company's bidding to house the lucky one's who made it and are 'legal' here in the UK.

Money corrupts the kid who bought a mat with good intentions, but can't let the profit go.

Money corrupts...

Graffiti, Stencil Graffiti, Street Art, Urban Art. Art. Money Corrupts. We are no different

BUT

We can accept the goodwill behind this partnership, the positive results this release will bring

And let go of our greed and our need to pick over the bare bones of capitalism to destroy the joy we can find in the act. We are all hypocrites that is true. But let’s just for once believe in something better.

agreed nex. When we all bought raffle tickets to raise money for sightsavers in India in the hope of a print. Have a great Sunday everyone.

[drip]

[dilu]

Oct 20, 2019 6:33:30 GMT 1 nobokov said:

Oct 20, 2019 5:56:57 GMT 1 19818914 said:

Yeah I don’t know where the fake ones are but I can get back to you tomorrow on the information for the real one.

I think I've secured a lifevest. Would you happen to know where I can rent a refugee to display with the vest and mat?

Er can you make it two but not a grumpy one liable to take my job home and state benefits but one of those that tidy up after me?!

[carly]

Oct 20, 2019 6:09:37 GMT 1 Gentle Mental said:

There should be more than enough to make thousands.
The life vest is shredded to strings
To make the word welcome

one vest could make lots.

The other reason I can think of
for a waitlist is
It takes. Long time to make one.

The specs Banksy demanded are challenging.

And 500 pounds is the value of the work put in.

Say a full 4-8 hours to make one.

It’s not a charity throwaway tat.

But a real piece of handmade craft.

So promising a massive order by collecting money first could feel daunting.

And having a waitlist - as you would with fine watches and cars - would make more sense.

By that rationale - if you can wait 2 years, you will get one at cost, no problem.





S

Hopefully anyone who purchased one of these did so with the right intentions. With regards to numbers being made and orders being taken you are correct the life jackets are cut into strips and sewn into the mat. However each mat also has 2 buckles and straps taken from each vest. Therefore taking a huge amount of orders would mean presuming enough abandoned vest will become available in the following months. Which is something nobody would wish for.

[pellets]

Everyone probably needs to chill out on the assumption that capitalism is inherently bad. Capitalism has helped a whole lot of people raise their standard of living. Yes, theres lots of greedy people and loads of problems to be solved but its not been all bad.

[denzil]

Oct 20, 2019 0:43:47 GMT 1 Pipes said:

Oct 20, 2019 0:42:48 GMT 1 tab1 said:

Castlegallery ?

Yes. Saw this a few days ago.

the dog charity dont want the money from this, im not surprised a shit way of getting a bit of attention for a so called gallery

[tab1]

Oct 20, 2019 11:35:43 GMT 1 denzil said:

Oct 20, 2019 0:43:47 GMT 1 Pipes said:

Yes. Saw this a few days ago.

the dog charity dont want the money from this, im not surprised as**t way of getting a bit of attention for a so called gallery

They hired the kardashians press officer

[Deleted]

Oct 20, 2019 11:35:43 GMT 1 denzil said:

Oct 20, 2019 0:43:47 GMT 1 Pipes said:

Yes. Saw this a few days ago.

the dog charity dont want the money from this, im not surprised as**t way of getting a bit of attention for a so called gallery

Come off it, this shit stunt has LonelyFarmer and Castle written all over it.   

[Deleted]

Let me make it clear for ayauashca, jaygo and denzil, I couldn't give two hoots about free publicity, I got an early call about the mats and bought it to support the charity, never had plans to sell or profit from it. After it was confirmed I thought what's the point in me sticking it in drawer as I'm not going to frame it. A few weeks back I'd met up with one of the founders of Lucy's trust, he's a friend and I went to school with his partner who gave up veterinary practice to rescue dogs/animals, mostly abuse cases. To receive government funding they have to open to the public but wont/can't because of bite risk. They do this for love of the animals regardless and any help means alot, they put everything into it. They're friends, I wanted to help them. The mat could have been sold to someone else and that would've been the end of it. I helped in the only way I can by using my platform to raise some money, so far it's at £1600,fantastic, hopefully it brings some more attention to both charities and raises some more funds. Thanks to those that supported, thank you. To the keyboard warriors blow me.
Peace,
Andy

[Fuzzyduck121]

Oct 20, 2019 11:35:43 GMT 1 denzil said:

Oct 20, 2019 0:43:47 GMT 1 Pipes said:

Yes. Saw this a few days ago.

the dog charity dont want the money from this, im not surprised as**t way of getting a bit of attention for a so called gallery

I am confident that galleries like that, be they good or bad, who inherently exist and make a profit off the secondary market in Banksy are the target for this entire process (in addition to companies like the card business ).
This process is about taking back control and sending a message. Bbay when it is in full effect together with PC and GDP will quite rightly control the primary and secondary market place in a way that best balances things and removes the majority of past greed.
Prices will always go up and down and profit can be made if that’s what you are interested in but who makes it and how much of it they make can and will be controlled better. In addition wealth generation from both primary and resales can be directed towards places best suited to receive them.
The sales process for GDP should and quite rightly will be vetted in ways other than the lottery and the Question posed at checkout. The measure of the success of this process will be to see how close to zero the resales of pieces like the Banksquiat and Thrower are after several years.Whatever questions need to be asked of people to get to that stage will be asked and rightly so. If Banksy wants you to make money out of his art he/they can easily make it happen and vice versa via the withdrawal or giving of authenticity certificates. This is all clearly stated in the ts and cs if you interpret them correctly.
None of the above is without some hypocrisy that’s granted , VIP and primary market sales have always been conducted in the past however they are likely in future to always be at market rate or above for good reasons also.
Even if GDP is a one off, with PC and Bbay , a line in the sand has been drawn and in my view further cleverly veiled and well advertised control mechanisms will be implemented that will get the job done whilst entertaining the fans and distributing content to people who appreciate the works and will simply enjoy owning them.
It’s a great time to enjoy being a Banksy fan and if you really are genuine then this is the best time to hope to own one and to see more works for sale than have been for a long time.
One a final note relevant to the topic ,the mat is in my view an exceptional almost perfect example of Banksy work. I managed to buy one and I will display it, because even though I have other Banksy on the walls worth more in monetary value I can’t think of a piece of work that better represents the ethos of the man, the subtle, comedic and subversive nature of the work and the support of good causes that is often a backbone to the creative process. I hope enough are made so everyone who wants one can own one and in doing so thousands of debates are sparked and thousands more people can see what Banksy is all about.
Interlude over , please commence discussion of values and profit once again.....

[denzil]

Oct 20, 2019 13:06:45 GMT 1 cg said:

Let me make it clear for ayauashca, jaygo and denzil, I couldn't give two hoots about free publicity, I got an early call about the mats and bought it to support the charity, never had plans to sell or profit from it. After it was confirmed I thought what's the point in me sticking it in drawer as I'm not going to frame it. A few weeks back I'd met up with one of the founders of Lucy's trust, he's a friend and I went to school with his partner who gave up veterinary practice to rescue dogs/animals, mostly abuse cases. To receive government funding they have to open to the public but wont/can't because of bite risk. They do this for love of the animals regardless and any help means alot, they put everything into it. They're friends, I wanted to help them. The mat could have been sold to someone else and that would've been the end of it. I helped in the only way I can by using my platform to raise some money, so far it's at £1600,fantastic, hopefully it brings some more attention to both charities and raises some more funds. Thanks to those that supported, thank you. To the keyboard warriors blow me.
Peace

Yes how is your pal gonzfellow ? say hi

[Deleted]

Oct 20, 2019 13:14:17 GMT 1 denzil said:

Oct 20, 2019 13:06:45 GMT 1 cg said:

Let me make it clear for ayauashca, jaygo and denzil, I couldn't give two hoots about free publicity, I got an early call about the mats and bought it to support the charity, never had plans to sell or profit from it. After it was confirmed I thought what's the point in me sticking it in drawer as I'm not going to frame it. A few weeks back I'd met up with one of the founders of Lucy's trust, he's a friend and I went to school with his partner who gave up veterinary practice to rescue dogs/animals, mostly abuse cases. To receive government funding they have to open to the public but wont/can't because of bite risk. They do this for love of the animals regardless and any help means alot, they put everything into it. They're friends, I wanted to help them. The mat could have been sold to someone else and that would've been the end of it. I helped in the only way I can by using my platform to raise some money, so far it's at £1600,fantastic, hopefully it brings some more attention to both charities and raises some more funds. Thanks to those that supported, thank you. To the keyboard warriors blow me.
Peace

Yes how is your pal gonzfellow ? say hi

Lol you'll see

[pfffffffffft]

Say a full 4-8 hours to make one.

That makes sense. These aren't woven on a loom. They are hand stitched and I completely forgot about the edges of the mat.

Assuming these take around 6 hours each to make, based on the LW web site it looks like they have 9 women working on weaving so they would be able to make around 60 a week. It'll take around 9 weeks to make the number allocated for the first order but then they need to ship from Greece to which ever hub the orders are shipping from so assume another week or two to get there.

I can't speak to the UK but in the United States credit card companies prohibit any payment processed after more than 90 days after the card issuing bank grants the store an authorization to proceed with a transaction.

They may not be able to collect preorders right now because they may not be able to ship any additional orders past the first allocation within 90 days.

[pfffffffffft]

Oct 20, 2019 12:43:26 GMT 1 Json24 said:

For a Banksy love welcome mat i read a lot of hostility (even for this forums standards).


#getoveritandmoveon

Yeah, I don't know why suddenly people got really nasty.

Everything was really friendly and positive up until yesterday then everything started to go sideways.

[bestdj777]

Oct 20, 2019 6:09:37 GMT 1 Gentle Mental said:

There should be more than enough to make thousands.
The life vest is shredded to strings
To make the word welcome

one vest could make lots.

The other reason I can think of
for a waitlist is
It takes. Long time to make one.

The specs Banksy demanded are challenging.

And 500 pounds is the value of the work put in.

Say a full 4-8 hours to make one.

It’s not a charity throwaway tat.

But a real piece of handmade craft.

So promising a massive order by collecting money first could feel daunting.

And having a waitlist - as you would with fine watches and cars - would make more sense.

By that rationale - if you can wait 2 years, you will get one at cost, no problem.





S

They also use the straps to make the border of the piece, so you really do need one life vest per mat.

[Stonetown]

Charity and personal interest can exist together. It's not either or. People can both have been charitable and donated for the sake of the cause and also be excited about the mat as a piece of art and an investment. It doesn't make the person of lesser quality. Let people talk about it. They made their donation. They helped a great cause. Now let them discuss their art.

[Winter]

Not sure there’s much more that can be said about these mats that hasn’t already been said until they arrive.