Do you struggle having Eines on your wall?

[T-Bro]

I used to really like Eine and find his work iconic but now all i think of when i see him or his work is an image of him punching his girlfriend in the face.

I am sure other artists are not perfect but I find dififcult to get past and enjoy the artwork. So the Eines that i had have now gone.

do people feel the same?

[Tobi187]

I can easily separate the art from the person, but I understand if people are not able
or don't want to... At the moment I own two prints by Eine - no expensive originals.

[moron]

I have never had n Eine on my wall.

[Happy Shopper]

It might bother me more if it was an habitual and regular thing for him to beat girlfriends, but as far as I know it was a one off incident (and not a punch in the face either).

Not saying it’s right, but also he’s not Jimmy Savile.

[pada1]

I have some of Eine's work and have not been following this story about him and his girlfriend.
I agree with Tobi187 that if possible, it's better to appreciate the art for itself. I don't think Eine intended to put some "you can punch your girlfriend" type of messages in his production.

However... I also understand that some headlines can generate a trauma and therefore attach rejection to anything signed by an artist. I think it's really based on the story and its impact to oneself.

At the end of the day, artists are humans and no human is perfect. Quite a few are already famous for their beliefs and actions (ex: RETNA). They all have their bad sides, some worst than others.

[bentheartfan]

I haven't bought anything from him since I heard that news last year (and don't think I would) but at the same time I haven't taken down the AMSTERDAM print I have framed up, which I quite like.

[rjf76]

I still enjoy my EINE pieces and have separated, what I'd hope was a one-off, misjudged action. Everyone makes mistakes - lets hope it was an isolated incident. Always found Ben a top guy to talk to.

...there are plenty of other artists who have worse traits imo. RETNA for example and his objectification and treatment of women in general.

[k2]

I quite like Eine's street work, but have yet to see any of his work that I'd like to hang at home. While I think it works well at scale with enough impact, for me his smaller work / prints / canvases are little more than poorly-executed typography with little interest or meaning. Just my interpretation, and no offence intended to anyone who feels differently.

Thinking of the artists that I do enjoy and have been lucky to collect, there is certainly more to it than just the image. Having an interest in the artist him/herself is certainly part of it. If I became aware that one of them had been involved in something that I personally find abhorrent (even as a 'one off'.....) then I imagine it would almost certainly have a significant impact on my enjoyment of their work, to the extent that I would no longer enjoy owning it or looking at it.

[iamzero]

Still love my Eine prints.

[vei]

I have Eines

I feel that what happened was a one off and I’m careful that my reaction is appropriate and not an emotional or ethical knee jerk panic.

In fairness Warhol, Picasso etc did far far far worse or alleged to and people still collect their work on here.

[Fast Eddie]

Negative. I would not want any of his stuff.

[coller]

not really buying into this 'it seemed like a one-off incident' rationalization - dude punched his girlfriend and it was pretty unforgivable.

you can own his art but at least own that fact too.

it is what it is. bad people can make good art.

[mojo]

No

[vei]

Apr 17, 2019 15:23:42 GMT 1 coller said:

not really buying into this 'it seemed like a one-off incident' rationalization - dude punched his girlfriend and it was pretty unforgivable.

you can own his art but at least own that fact too.

it is what it is. bad people can make good art.

No one denied that he punched his girlfriend.

We just don’t want to be part of a lynch mob.

[coller]

Apr 17, 2019 15:27:16 GMT 1 vei said:

Apr 17, 2019 15:23:42 GMT 1 coller said:

not really buying into this 'it seemed like a one-off incident' rationalization - dude punched his girlfriend and it was pretty unforgivable.

you can own his art but at least own that fact too.

it is what it is. bad people can make good art.

No one denied that he punched his girlfriend.

We just don’t want to be part of a lynch mob.

There is a difference between joining a lynch mob and acknowledging that someone who punches his girlfriend is a piece of shit, regardless if it is a one-off incident or not. All of the below are quotes by people trying to rationalize why he is still a good person despite having punched his girlfriend.


"It might bother me more if it was an habitual and regular thing for him to beat girlfriends, but as far as I know it was a one off incident (and not a punch in the face either)."

"I still enjoy my EINE pieces and have separated, what I'd hope was a one-off, misjudged action. Everyone makes mistakes - lets hope it was an isolated incident."

"I feel that what happened was a one off and I’m careful that my reaction is appropriate and not an emotional or ethical knee jerk panic."


There are better artists out there who don't punch women. On the one hand, if you hang Eine's art, you are not supporting violence against women, but on the other hand, you should also acknowledge that the artist is not a good person and his actions are completely indefensible. Good people don't punch their girlfriend, even once. Not that complicated.

[coller]

That said, Picasso was apparently also a huge piece of s**t, so everything is relative.

[beicoblack]

Apr 17, 2019 15:35:57 GMT 1 coller said:

Apr 17, 2019 15:27:16 GMT 1 vei said:

No one denied that he punched his girlfriend.

We just don’t want to be part of a lynch mob.

There is a difference between joining a lynch mob and acknowledging that someone who punches his girlfriend is a piece ofs**t, regardless if it is a one-off incident or not. All of the below are quotes by people trying to rationalize why he is still a good person despite having punched his girlfriend.


"It might bother me more if it was an habitual and regular thing for him to beat girlfriends, but as far as I know it was a one off incident (and not a punch in the face either)."

"I still enjoy my EINE pieces and have separated, what I'd hope was a one-off, misjudged action. Everyone makes mistakes - lets hope it was an isolated incident."

"I feel that what happened was a one off and I’m careful that my reaction is appropriate and not an emotional or ethical knee jerk panic."


There are better artists out there who don't punch women. On the one hand, if you hang Eine's art, you are not supporting violence against women, but on the other hand, you should also acknowledge that the artist is not a good person and his actions are completely indefensible. Good people don't punch their girlfriend, even once. Not that complicated.

I bet your not a huge fan of Michael Jackson either...   

[chichi carter]

I recently came upon the following post on Nick Cave's 'The Red Hand Files' website where people ask him questions and he (sometimes) answers them. This was the question:

'How do you feel about the current trend of connecting the shortcomings of an artist’s personal conduct and the art they create and using that criteria to determine if said works are corrupted and therefore to be relegated to the dustbins or not?
What does it mean for the future of art if we expect our artists, those that help us collectively explore and understand the human experience, to be morally perfect and beyond reproach?'

Obviously his answer is from a rock n' roll musician's point of view but I thought the question was well formulated and could apply to any form of art. Here is the link for those who would like to read his answer.

www.theredhandfiles.com/thoughts-on-modern-rock-music/

[arthurglass]

I have a To Express print that I have taken down because of his heavy handedness with his gfriend. I liked the art but I took it down because the print had no meaning for me. I still have single letter Eine prints on the wall of the first initials of my wife and two children. I just don't of course think of Eine when I look at these prints so they stay on the wall.

[graeme]

I have a Scary print on my wall and absolutely love it. I think if I was judging my purchases by the lifetime perfection of the artist then I probably wouldn’t buy anything. Having said that I wouldn’t buy anything from Nigel Farage if he painted anything.

Also I notice the Rolf Harris prints still sell well, and I really liked Rolf Harris as a child before his past behaviour became public. Luckily I don’t like his art so there is no moral dilemma in buying any.

[Winks]

Apr 17, 2019 15:35:57 GMT 1 coller said:

Apr 17, 2019 15:27:16 GMT 1 vei said:

No one denied that he punched his girlfriend.

We just don’t want to be part of a lynch mob.

There is a difference between joining a lynch mob and acknowledging that someone who punches his girlfriend is a piece ofs**t, regardless if it is a one-off incident or not. All of the below are quotes by people trying to rationalize why he is still a good person despite having punched his girlfriend.


"It might bother me more if it was an habitual and regular thing for him to beat girlfriends, but as far as I know it was a one off incident (and not a punch in the face either)."

"I still enjoy my EINE pieces and have separated, what I'd hope was a one-off, misjudged action. Everyone makes mistakes - lets hope it was an isolated incident."

"I feel that what happened was a one off and I’m careful that my reaction is appropriate and not an emotional or ethical knee jerk panic."


There are better artists out there who don't punch women. On the one hand, if you hang Eine's art, you are not supporting violence against women, but on the other hand, you should also acknowledge that the artist is not a good person and his actions are completely indefensible. Good people don't punch their girlfriend, even once. Not that complicated.

By your rationale, everyone that has offended should not be given a second chance. That is on the presumption that all crimes whether murder, manslaughter, robbery, fraud or drink driving are equally or more abhorrent in your view.
Surely the purpose of the legal system is to punish and rehabilitate offenders. Would you refuse to be served in a petrol station by someone on parole if you knew?
Do you think that an every offence should carry with it a life sentence whereby the offender cannot be reintroduced in to society and contribute to it by working; be that on a petrol station forecourt or producing art?

[nobokov]

No struggle here...My Love print reminds me fondly of the time I jumpkicked my GF in the head.

[Hubble Bubble]

No struggle here. I like his work. I’m in no way religious but I do abide by the ‘let he who has never sinned cast the first stone’ mantra. He did wrong, he paid the price. A huge amount of sanctimonious preaching goes on here on this subject and I find it all a little cloying to be honest. If you’re in the ‘yes but’ camp then that’s fine... these are just my feelings.

[coller]

Apr 20, 2019 7:35:08 GMT 1 Winks said:

Apr 17, 2019 15:35:57 GMT 1 coller said:

There is a difference between joining a lynch mob and acknowledging that someone who punches his girlfriend is a piece ofs**t, regardless if it is a one-off incident or not. All of the below are quotes by people trying to rationalize why he is still a good person despite having punched his girlfriend.


"It might bother me more if it was an habitual and regular thing for him to beat girlfriends, but as far as I know it was a one off incident (and not a punch in the face either)."

"I still enjoy my EINE pieces and have separated, what I'd hope was a one-off, misjudged action. Everyone makes mistakes - lets hope it was an isolated incident."

"I feel that what happened was a one off and I’m careful that my reaction is appropriate and not an emotional or ethical knee jerk panic."


There are better artists out there who don't punch women. On the one hand, if you hang Eine's art, you are not supporting violence against women, but on the other hand, you should also acknowledge that the artist is not a good person and his actions are completely indefensible. Good people don't punch their girlfriend, even once. Not that complicated.

By your rationale, everyone that has offended should not be given a second chance. That is on the presumption that all crimes whether murder, manslaughter, robbery, fraud or drink driving are equally or more abhorrent in your view.
Surely the purpose of the legal system is to punish and rehabilitate offenders. Would you refuse to be served in a petrol station by someone on parole if you knew?
Do you think that an every offence should carry with it a life sentence whereby the offender cannot be reintroduced in to society and contribute to it by working; be that on a petrol station forecourt or producing art?

not what i'm saying at all, and that is frankly a ridiculous extrapolation. this dude isn't working at a mcdonald's or an ex-con at a petrol station, he's a renowned artist. there are tons of other artists to choose from, and it is your personal choice whose art you buy/hang. just own who the artists are - this one is an artist who has punched a woman in the face, simple as that.

i personally like retna's art but also acknowledge he's a huge piece of shit who beat the crap out of a woman. so yeah, i'm not saying you should only follow artists who have 'done no wrong' or only appreciate art from those artists, because honestly a lot of artists are fucked up. but just own who they are and what they've done. apologies if this comes off as preachy.

[Fast Eddie]

In my view, it is a hollow claim that one may separate the art from the artist. Look at this forum: much of the discussion is on who signed what and what would be the market price of a piece, were it attributed to a different artist.

Artist and art are (correctly, in my view) tightly intertwined. The artist's life and message create the context to interpret the artwork. Context determines the message of the piece and gives it meaning. That is ultimately what you display on your wall.

[beicoblack]

Apr 20, 2019 17:35:23 GMT 1 Fast Eddie said:

In my view, it is a hollow claim that one may separate the art from the artist. Look at this forum: much of the discussion is on who signed what and what would be the market price of a piece, were it attributed to a different artist.

Artist and art are (correctly, in my view) tightly intertwined. The artist's life and message create the context to interpret the artwork. Context determines the message of the piece and gives it meaning. That is ultimately what you display on your wall.

I like nice pictures on my walls and I don´t think too much about it. 

[Winks]

Apr 20, 2019 17:22:28 GMT 1 coller said:

Apr 20, 2019 7:35:08 GMT 1 Winks said:

By your rationale, everyone that has offended should not be given a second chance. That is on the presumption that all crimes whether murder, manslaughter, robbery, fraud or drink driving are equally or more abhorrent in your view.
Surely the purpose of the legal system is to punish and rehabilitate offenders. Would you refuse to be served in a petrol station by someone on parole if you knew?
Do you think that an every offence should carry with it a life sentence whereby the offender cannot be reintroduced in to society and contribute to it by working; be that on a petrol station forecourt or producing art?

not what i'm saying at all, and that is frankly a ridiculous extrapolation. this dude isn't working at a mcdonald's or an ex-con at a petrol station, he's a renowned artist. there are tons of other artists to choose from, and it is your personal choice whose art you buy/hang. just own who the artists are - this one is an artist who has punched a woman in the face, simple as that.

i personally like retna's art but also acknowledge he's a huge piece ofs**t who beat the crap out of a woman. so yeah, i'm not saying you should only follow artists who have 'done no wrong' or only appreciate art from those artists, because honestly a lot of artists are fucked up. but just own who they are and what they've done. apologies if this comes off as preachy.

So you’re saying that because he’s a famous artist he has no right to redemption. You can’t pick and choose who gets a second chance and who doesn’t.
You are basically saying don’t buy Eine buy other art. Don’t buy Eine because he’s well known.
This is not ridiculous, my example is bang on. Work in a petrol station you get forgiven, be a successful artist, you don’t.

[teabaggins]

Apr 20, 2019 17:22:28 GMT 1 coller said:

Apr 20, 2019 7:35:08 GMT 1 Winks said:

By your rationale, everyone that has offended should not be given a second chance. That is on the presumption that all crimes whether murder, manslaughter, robbery, fraud or drink driving are equally or more abhorrent in your view.
Surely the purpose of the legal system is to punish and rehabilitate offenders. Would you refuse to be served in a petrol station by someone on parole if you knew?
Do you think that an every offence should carry with it a life sentence whereby the offender cannot be reintroduced in to society and contribute to it by working; be that on a petrol station forecourt or producing art?

not what i'm saying at all, and that is frankly a ridiculous extrapolation. this dude isn't working at a mcdonald's or an ex-con at a petrol station, he's a renowned artist. there are tons of other artists to choose from, and it is your personal choice whose art you buy/hang. just own who the artists are - this one is an artist who has punched a woman in the face, simple as that.

i personally like retna's art but also acknowledge he's a huge piece ofs**t who beat the crap out of a woman. so yeah, i'm not saying you should only follow artists who have 'done no wrong' or only appreciate art from those artists, because honestly a lot of artists are fucked up. but just own who they are and what they've done. apologies if this comes off as preachy.

You aren’t being preachy. Integrity, morality, and character unfortunately no longer stand a chance when put up against egotism, self interest, and other soul dulling affects of the internet age.

[Lroy]

Apr 17, 2019 13:24:46 GMT 1 moron said:

I have never had n Eine on my wall.

I bought  the Moniker Art fair one, as it was mates working there ( well mates on Facebook )?that Kept me one aside
and I like it a lot 
I am very happy with, as it’s a special one : I don’t like the prints with one letter. in the Texan cow-boy boots 👢 
i like this one because it looks artisanal.
i never think about him beating  his wife, why should I ?! It’s a print and we don’t 
know how were artists in their private life : Rodin was awful
oer example with Camille Claudel, Picasso was not cool, Verlaine shot a bullet on Rimbaud, etc etc 
And maybe here some are beating their girlfriend or their pet, or are not cool at all.
Anyway Eine is not the kind of street art that I like.

ps : we could speak also about Bertrand Cantat that boxed and killed Marie Trintignant. He still had fans feminist girls following him ?! Anyway I never liked this poseur nor his band : better listening the original, the great Gun Club ! 

[Fast Eddie]

Apr 20, 2019 17:37:44 GMT 1 beicoblack said:

Apr 20, 2019 17:35:23 GMT 1 Fast Eddie said:

In my view, it is a hollow claim that one may separate the art from the artist. Look at this forum: much of the discussion is on who signed what and what would be the market price of a piece, were it attributed to a different artist.

Artist and art are (correctly, in my view) tightly intertwined. The artist's life and message create the context to interpret the artwork. Context determines the message of the piece and gives it meaning. That is ultimately what you display on your wall.

I like nice pictures on my walls and I don´t think too much about it. 

I envy you for that. I am serious.