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Donald Trump, by Pysgod on Nov 9, 2018 17:45:53 GMT 1, Do you know how many thousands of books there are dedicated to Guns and their history, design engineering etc ? guns are everywhere but only the idiots pull the trigger on innocent people Suppose the kids who accidentally let them off on themselves, their siblings, their parents etc. are idiots too.
Do you know how many thousands of books there are dedicated to Guns and their history, design engineering etc ? guns are everywhere but only the idiots pull the trigger on innocent people Suppose the kids who accidentally let them off on themselves, their siblings, their parents etc. are idiots too. Suppose all you like |
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Donald Trump, by touchdowntodd on Nov 9, 2018 17:47:54 GMT 1, The mental aspect, along with parenting, and cultural issues that basically make these shooters feel that they're going to be praised, are the main issues. A crazy man will kill regardless. It's happened throughout time. But we're creating crazy with medications, the disappearing of the American family, lack of education, Etc The UK and Australia as two examples, seemingly managed to eradicate crazy killers as a result of stricter gun control. Who knew?
you guys keep bringing up these other countries and statistics based upon the past.. in reality the rate of mass shootings was very low and tell somewhat recently which basically negates all of your data regarding other countries...
In fact, in America the 2000s had less mass shootings than in both the 90s, and 80s.. its in fact on a near down trend prior to 2010 and beyond.. and if you think social media isn't an issue, you're wrong
Bring up the uK all u want lol.. my small state alone has more guns than the entire UK, and has never had a mass shooting.... Also has legal open carry, legal concealed carry, no waiting period if registered, and no limits on ammo etc
Population vs mass shooting is a huge thing not being recognized.. daily gun violence is a huge issue.
But it all basically boils down to social media, culture, and issues within the family creating these individuals.
The mental aspect, along with parenting, and cultural issues that basically make these shooters feel that they're going to be praised, are the main issues. A crazy man will kill regardless. It's happened throughout time. But we're creating crazy with medications, the disappearing of the American family, lack of education, Etc The UK and Australia as two examples, seemingly managed to eradicate crazy killers as a result of stricter gun control. Who knew? you guys keep bringing up these other countries and statistics based upon the past.. in reality the rate of mass shootings was very low and tell somewhat recently which basically negates all of your data regarding other countries... In fact, in America the 2000s had less mass shootings than in both the 90s, and 80s.. its in fact on a near down trend prior to 2010 and beyond.. and if you think social media isn't an issue, you're wrong Bring up the uK all u want lol.. my small state alone has more guns than the entire UK, and has never had a mass shooting.... Also has legal open carry, legal concealed carry, no waiting period if registered, and no limits on ammo etc Population vs mass shooting is a huge thing not being recognized.. daily gun violence is a huge issue. But it all basically boils down to social media, culture, and issues within the family creating these individuals. |
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Donald Trump, by Daylight Robber on Nov 9, 2018 17:49:24 GMT 1, Suppose the kids who accidentally let them off on themselves, their siblings, their parents etc. are idiots too. Suppose all you like
Solid contribution. Thanks.
Suppose the kids who accidentally let them off on themselves, their siblings, their parents etc. are idiots too. Suppose all you like Solid contribution. Thanks. |
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Donald Trump, by Pysgod on Nov 9, 2018 17:52:24 GMT 1, The mental aspect, along with parenting, and cultural issues that basically make these shooters feel that they're going to be praised, are the main issues. A crazy man will kill regardless. It's happened throughout time. But we're creating crazy with medications, the disappearing of the American family, lack of education, Etc The UK and Australia as two examples, seemingly managed to eradicate crazy killers as a result of stricter gun control. Who knew?
The mental aspect, along with parenting, and cultural issues that basically make these shooters feel that they're going to be praised, are the main issues. A crazy man will kill regardless. It's happened throughout time. But we're creating crazy with medications, the disappearing of the American family, lack of education, Etc The UK and Australia as two examples, seemingly managed to eradicate crazy killers as a result of stricter gun control. Who knew? But a person or three has been stabbed to death every day this month |
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Donald Trump, by touchdowntodd on Nov 9, 2018 17:53:25 GMT 1, So, what's the solution? Not to even try to restrict access to guns, or even just certain types of guns? In this country we have the same permissive attitude to car accident deaths, but while we make cars safer and pass laws to decrease hazards, with regard to guns we just mumble freedom, something something about protection from tyrants and 2nd amendment. There is a slippery slope mindset with regard to gun laws while those at the same time acknowledge they don't have the right to bear ALL arms, only some. I am pro guns, own them but access is crazy easy.
Car accident deaths is an easier control by making manufacterers stepup, lowering speed limits, random check points, etc...
What we're all ignoring is there's nothing "cool" about a DUI (and I live where they're not even a felony shockingly)..
But to these kids and people sick enough to commit these crimes, they truly feel it's something people will cheer for... That's the most sickening, disturbing, ad troublesome part... Be it bombs, guns, poison, etc. These sickos truly feel they found a "family" to support them if they commit these crimes. It's very similar to Al queada etc in ways..
They're also proportionally not legal gun owners. All too often the parents, a relative, etc gave access.. those people need to face the same charges as accomplices Imho. It's your duty to safely store your weapons
So, what's the solution? Not to even try to restrict access to guns, or even just certain types of guns? In this country we have the same permissive attitude to car accident deaths, but while we make cars safer and pass laws to decrease hazards, with regard to guns we just mumble freedom, something something about protection from tyrants and 2nd amendment. There is a slippery slope mindset with regard to gun laws while those at the same time acknowledge they don't have the right to bear ALL arms, only some. I am pro guns, own them but access is crazy easy. Car accident deaths is an easier control by making manufacterers stepup, lowering speed limits, random check points, etc... What we're all ignoring is there's nothing "cool" about a DUI (and I live where they're not even a felony shockingly).. But to these kids and people sick enough to commit these crimes, they truly feel it's something people will cheer for... That's the most sickening, disturbing, ad troublesome part... Be it bombs, guns, poison, etc. These sickos truly feel they found a "family" to support them if they commit these crimes. It's very similar to Al queada etc in ways.. They're also proportionally not legal gun owners. All too often the parents, a relative, etc gave access.. those people need to face the same charges as accomplices Imho. It's your duty to safely store your weapons |
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Donald Trump, by Happy Shopper on Nov 9, 2018 17:59:33 GMT 1, The UK and Australia as two examples, seemingly managed to eradicate crazy killers as a result of stricter gun control. Who knew? But it all basically boils down to social media, culture, and issues within the family creating these individuals.
You can't stop crazy people being crazy... whether real mental illness, or something else.... But you can restrict their access to guns.
At least in Europe and Australia when a nutter decides to go on a rampage, the most they can get is a car (if they can drive) and some knives... which is bad enough.
The UK and Australia as two examples, seemingly managed to eradicate crazy killers as a result of stricter gun control. Who knew? But it all basically boils down to social media, culture, and issues within the family creating these individuals. You can't stop crazy people being crazy... whether real mental illness, or something else.... But you can restrict their access to guns. At least in Europe and Australia when a nutter decides to go on a rampage, the most they can get is a car (if they can drive) and some knives... which is bad enough. |
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Donald Trump, by touchdowntodd on Nov 9, 2018 18:02:06 GMT 1, Here's a random statistic because everyone is comparing us vs these smaller countries
20 states have never, ever had a mass shooting..
Their population is well over that of the UK and Australia combined... With much higher rates of gun ownership in the same states vs those countries
So how do we explain that?
One fact is that these are more traditional, family based areas..
Here's a random statistic because everyone is comparing us vs these smaller countries
20 states have never, ever had a mass shooting..
Their population is well over that of the UK and Australia combined... With much higher rates of gun ownership in the same states vs those countries
So how do we explain that?
One fact is that these are more traditional, family based areas..
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Donald Trump, by qest on Nov 9, 2018 18:06:50 GMT 1, Here's a random statistic because everyone is comparing us vs these smaller countries 20 states have never, ever had a mass shooting.. Their population is well over that of the UK and Australia combined... With much higher rates of gun ownership in the same states vs those countries So how do we explain that? One fact is that these are more traditional, family based areas..
That statistic is hilariously wrong. In 2018 alone there are only a handful of states that have not had a mass shooting.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2018
Here's a random statistic because everyone is comparing us vs these smaller countries 20 states have never, ever had a mass shooting.. Their population is well over that of the UK and Australia combined... With much higher rates of gun ownership in the same states vs those countries So how do we explain that? One fact is that these are more traditional, family based areas.. That statistic is hilariously wrong. In 2018 alone there are only a handful of states that have not had a mass shooting. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2018 |
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Donald Trump, by k2 on Nov 9, 2018 18:10:34 GMT 1, Here's a random statistic because everyone is comparing us vs these smaller countries 20 states have never, ever had a mass shooting.. Their population is well over that of the UK and Australia combined... With much higher rates of gun ownership in the same states vs those countries So how do we explain that? One fact is that these are more traditional, family based areas..
Using that definition, 45 states saw mass shootings in 2015 alone.
Here's a random statistic because everyone is comparing us vs these smaller countries 20 states have never, ever had a mass shooting.. Their population is well over that of the UK and Australia combined... With much higher rates of gun ownership in the same states vs those countries So how do we explain that? One fact is that these are more traditional, family based areas.. Your statistics are at odds with the commonly accepted definition of a mass-shooting, that being an incident where at least four people were killed or wounded. Using that definition, 45 states saw mass shootings in 2015 alone. |
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Donald Trump, by Leo Boyd on Nov 9, 2018 18:12:47 GMT 1, I don't know what you are trying to say here. Are you saying that as the USA is different to other countries, therefore it is perfectly ok to allow them to have as many guns as they wish, including automatic and semi-automatic rifles in the hands of anybody who wants one?
which is why you should not deny them their village dunking stools
I don't know what you are trying to say here. Are you saying that as the USA is different to other countries, therefore it is perfectly ok to allow them to have as many guns as they wish, including automatic and semi-automatic rifles in the hands of anybody who wants one? They do have a far higher concentration of witches in the states to be fair which is why you should not deny them their village dunking stools |
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Donald Trump, by amsterdam9697 on Nov 9, 2018 18:15:26 GMT 1, I'm tired of the NRA defeatist propaganda and I can't think of anywhere in the US where a DUI isn't a felony, so what magical land are we talking about? Bottom line things need to change when it seems easier for people to pull a trigger vs. having a conversation.
I'm tired of the NRA defeatist propaganda and I can't think of anywhere in the US where a DUI isn't a felony, so what magical land are we talking about? Bottom line things need to change when it seems easier for people to pull a trigger vs. having a conversation.
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Donald Trump, by touchdowntodd on Nov 9, 2018 18:18:19 GMT 1, Here's a random statistic because everyone is comparing us vs these smaller countries 20 states have never, ever had a mass shooting.. Their population is well over that of the UK and Australia combined... With much higher rates of gun ownership in the same states vs those countries So how do we explain that? One fact is that these are more traditional, family based areas.. Your statistics are at odds with the commonly accepted definition of a mass-shooting, that being an incident where at least four people were killed or wounded. Using that definition, 45 states saw mass shootings in 2015 alone.
I'm removing "common" murders etc and discussing acts of violence on strangers
A guy killing his 3 family members and then himself is not a mass shooting
Here's a random statistic because everyone is comparing us vs these smaller countries 20 states have never, ever had a mass shooting.. Their population is well over that of the UK and Australia combined... With much higher rates of gun ownership in the same states vs those countries So how do we explain that? One fact is that these are more traditional, family based areas.. Your statistics are at odds with the commonly accepted definition of a mass-shooting, that being an incident where at least four people were killed or wounded. Using that definition, 45 states saw mass shootings in 2015 alone. I'm removing "common" murders etc and discussing acts of violence on strangers A guy killing his 3 family members and then himself is not a mass shooting |
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Donald Trump, by skAcid on Nov 9, 2018 18:18:55 GMT 1, Mass shootings in the US:
There have been 1,624 in 1,870 days.
No other developed nation comes close to the rate of US gun violence.
Americans own an estimated 265m guns, more than one gun for every adult.
Data from the Gun Violence Archive reveals there is a mass shooting – defined as four or more people shot in one incident, not including the shooter – nine out of every 10 days on average.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/oct/02/america-mass-shootings-gun-violence
Mass shootings in the US: There have been 1,624 in 1,870 days. No other developed nation comes close to the rate of US gun violence. Americans own an estimated 265m guns, more than one gun for every adult. Data from the Gun Violence Archive reveals there is a mass shooting – defined as four or more people shot in one incident, not including the shooter – nine out of every 10 days on average. www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/oct/02/america-mass-shootings-gun-violence |
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Donald Trump, by touchdowntodd on Nov 9, 2018 18:19:48 GMT 1, Here's a random statistic because everyone is comparing us vs these smaller countries 20 states have never, ever had a mass shooting.. Their population is well over that of the UK and Australia combined... With much higher rates of gun ownership in the same states vs those countries So how do we explain that? One fact is that these are more traditional, family based areas.. That statistic is hilariously wrong. In 2018 alone there are only a handful of states that have not had a mass shooting. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2018
Actually no.. 12 states in 2018 if u use the ignorant 4 killed method
I'm talking about random acts of violence on strangers here. Not typical murder
Here's a random statistic because everyone is comparing us vs these smaller countries 20 states have never, ever had a mass shooting.. Their population is well over that of the UK and Australia combined... With much higher rates of gun ownership in the same states vs those countries So how do we explain that? One fact is that these are more traditional, family based areas.. That statistic is hilariously wrong. In 2018 alone there are only a handful of states that have not had a mass shooting. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2018Actually no.. 12 states in 2018 if u use the ignorant 4 killed method I'm talking about random acts of violence on strangers here. Not typical murder |
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Donald Trump, by qest on Nov 9, 2018 18:22:25 GMT 1, Actually no.. 12 states in 2018 if u use the ignorant 4 killed method I'm talking about random acts of violence on strangers here. Not typical murder
Did you know the sun is only one football field from the earth? Just FYI I'm talking about football fields that are 92.96 million miles long.
Actually no.. 12 states in 2018 if u use the ignorant 4 killed method I'm talking about random acts of violence on strangers here. Not typical murder Did you know the sun is only one football field from the earth? Just FYI I'm talking about football fields that are 92.96 million miles long. |
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Donald Trump, by touchdowntodd on Nov 9, 2018 18:26:36 GMT 1, Going off that ignorant statistic I have 4 friends that died in mass shootings
unfortunately one was at an armed robbery in a store, two where drug deals gone bad, and one was killed by her husband
None of the 4 were "mass shootings" by any other definition other than that silly number
Going off that ignorant statistic I have 4 friends that died in mass shootings
unfortunately one was at an armed robbery in a store, two where drug deals gone bad, and one was killed by her husband
None of the 4 were "mass shootings" by any other definition other than that silly number
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Donald Trump, by Coach on Nov 9, 2018 18:28:09 GMT 1, The UK and Australia as two examples, seemingly managed to eradicate crazy killers as a result of stricter gun control. Who knew? But a person or three has been stabbed to death every day this month
Well why not let everyone have access to any weapon they want then?
Look, it’s quite simple. You take away easy access to guns, you reduce the number of people who get killed by guns.
The UK and Australia as two examples, seemingly managed to eradicate crazy killers as a result of stricter gun control. Who knew? But a person or three has been stabbed to death every day this month Well why not let everyone have access to any weapon they want then? Look, it’s quite simple. You take away easy access to guns, you reduce the number of people who get killed by guns. |
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Donald Trump, by Daylight Robber on Nov 9, 2018 18:31:20 GMT 1, Your statistics are at odds with the commonly accepted definition of a mass-shooting, that being an incident where at least four people were killed or wounded. Using that definition, 45 states saw mass shootings in 2015 alone. I'm removing "common" murders etc and discussing acts of violence on strangers A guy killing his 3 family members and then himself is not a mass shooting
Your statistics are at odds with the commonly accepted definition of a mass-shooting, that being an incident where at least four people were killed or wounded. Using that definition, 45 states saw mass shootings in 2015 alone. I'm removing "common" murders etc and discussing acts of violence on strangers A guy killing his 3 family members and then himself is not a mass shooting Let me get this straight. Gun violence on people you know is ok? |
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Donald Trump, by Coach on Nov 9, 2018 18:32:32 GMT 1, Going off that ignorant statistic I have 4 friends that died in mass shootings unfortunately one was at an armed robbery in a store, two where drug deals gone bad, and one was killed by her husband None of the 4 were "mass shootings" by any other definition other than that silly number
Setting aside the point you are making, I’m so sorry to hear that.
On point, shootings are so rare here, where there is strict gun control, that I do not know anyone who has been shot, nor do I know anyone who knows someone who has been shot.
Likewise I do not know anyone who owns a gun, or anyone who knows someone who owns a gun.
I hope that strict control continues.
Going off that ignorant statistic I have 4 friends that died in mass shootings unfortunately one was at an armed robbery in a store, two where drug deals gone bad, and one was killed by her husband None of the 4 were "mass shootings" by any other definition other than that silly number Setting aside the point you are making, I’m so sorry to hear that. On point, shootings are so rare here, where there is strict gun control, that I do not know anyone who has been shot, nor do I know anyone who knows someone who has been shot. Likewise I do not know anyone who owns a gun, or anyone who knows someone who owns a gun. I hope that strict control continues. |
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Donald Trump, by touchdowntodd on Nov 9, 2018 18:32:54 GMT 1, I'm removing "common" murders etc and discussing acts of violence on strangers A guy killing his 3 family members and then himself is not a mass shooting Let me get this straight. Gun violence on people you know is ok?
Why would I ever say that but it's not quote on quote mass shooting
I'm removing "common" murders etc and discussing acts of violence on strangers A guy killing his 3 family members and then himself is not a mass shooting Let me get this straight. Gun violence on people you know is ok? Why would I ever say that but it's not quote on quote mass shooting |
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Donald Trump, by Daylight Robber on Nov 9, 2018 18:32:54 GMT 1, Going off that ignorant statistic I have 4 friends that died in mass shootings unfortunately one was at an armed robbery in a store, two where drug deals gone bad, and one was killed by her husband None of the 4 were "mass shootings" by any other definition other than that silly number
Going off that ignorant statistic I have 4 friends that died in mass shootings unfortunately one was at an armed robbery in a store, two where drug deals gone bad, and one was killed by her husband None of the 4 were "mass shootings" by any other definition other than that silly number And that is really sad. Do you never wonder whether they'd still be here if guns were much harder to access? |
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Donald Trump, by Leo Boyd on Nov 9, 2018 18:33:16 GMT 1, Going off that ignorant statistic I have 4 friends that died in mass shootings unfortunately one was at an armed robbery in a store, two where drug deals gone bad, and one was killed by her husband None of the 4 were "mass shootings" by any other definition other than that silly number
So if we take away the number of spree killers America would still have a shockingly high rate of gun death and something would still have to be done about that no?
Ps sorry about your friends. That is pretty grim.
Going off that ignorant statistic I have 4 friends that died in mass shootings unfortunately one was at an armed robbery in a store, two where drug deals gone bad, and one was killed by her husband None of the 4 were "mass shootings" by any other definition other than that silly number You are talking about spree killers then? So if we take away the number of spree killers America would still have a shockingly high rate of gun death and something would still have to be done about that no? Ps sorry about your friends. That is pretty grim. |
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Donald Trump, by touchdowntodd on Nov 9, 2018 18:34:43 GMT 1, Going off that ignorant statistic I have 4 friends that died in mass shootings unfortunately one was at an armed robbery in a store, two where drug deals gone bad, and one was killed by her husband None of the 4 were "mass shootings" by any other definition other than that silly number Setting aside the point you are making, I’m so sorry to hear that. On point, shootings are so rare here, where there is strict gun control, that I do not know anyone who has been shot, nor do I know anyone who knows someone who has been shot. Likewise I do not know anyone who owns a gun, or anyone who knows someone who owns a gun. I hope that strict control continues.
and I thank you for that
unfortunately I believe this is part of the problem that people outside of the United States can't fathom that our culture in fact is so different regarding this that the daily Outlook usage Etc is entirely different than it would be in your country
Going off that ignorant statistic I have 4 friends that died in mass shootings unfortunately one was at an armed robbery in a store, two where drug deals gone bad, and one was killed by her husband None of the 4 were "mass shootings" by any other definition other than that silly number Setting aside the point you are making, I’m so sorry to hear that. On point, shootings are so rare here, where there is strict gun control, that I do not know anyone who has been shot, nor do I know anyone who knows someone who has been shot. Likewise I do not know anyone who owns a gun, or anyone who knows someone who owns a gun. I hope that strict control continues. and I thank you for that unfortunately I believe this is part of the problem that people outside of the United States can't fathom that our culture in fact is so different regarding this that the daily Outlook usage Etc is entirely different than it would be in your country |
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Donald Trump, by touchdowntodd on Nov 9, 2018 18:35:36 GMT 1, Going off that ignorant statistic I have 4 friends that died in mass shootings unfortunately one was at an armed robbery in a store, two where drug deals gone bad, and one was killed by her husband None of the 4 were "mass shootings" by any other definition other than that silly number You are talking about spree killers then? So if we take away the number of spree killers America would still have a shockingly high rate of gun death and something would still have to be done about that no? Ps sorry about your friends. That is pretty grim.
no my friend I'm talking about the fact that this quote-unquote statistic includes any time for people are killed which unfortunately in the United States is not all that uncommon and can happen in a simple things such as a robbery at cetera..
including these in mass shooting statistics makes zero sense to me as it's an entirely different motive and reason for the murders
Going off that ignorant statistic I have 4 friends that died in mass shootings unfortunately one was at an armed robbery in a store, two where drug deals gone bad, and one was killed by her husband None of the 4 were "mass shootings" by any other definition other than that silly number You are talking about spree killers then? So if we take away the number of spree killers America would still have a shockingly high rate of gun death and something would still have to be done about that no? Ps sorry about your friends. That is pretty grim. no my friend I'm talking about the fact that this quote-unquote statistic includes any time for people are killed which unfortunately in the United States is not all that uncommon and can happen in a simple things such as a robbery at cetera.. including these in mass shooting statistics makes zero sense to me as it's an entirely different motive and reason for the murders |
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Donald Trump, by Coach on Nov 9, 2018 18:39:22 GMT 1, The UK and Australia as two examples, seemingly managed to eradicate crazy killers as a result of stricter gun control. Who knew? But a person or three has been stabbed to death every day this month
Yes, and carrying a knife has been criminalised.
Are you arguing that because some people carry a knife, there’s no point limiting what else, that could do much more harm, they can carry?
The UK and Australia as two examples, seemingly managed to eradicate crazy killers as a result of stricter gun control. Who knew? But a person or three has been stabbed to death every day this month Yes, and carrying a knife has been criminalised. Are you arguing that because some people carry a knife, there’s no point limiting what else, that could do much more harm, they can carry? |
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Donald Trump, by Pysgod on Nov 9, 2018 18:41:12 GMT 1, Going off that ignorant statistic I have 4 friends that died in mass shootings unfortunately one was at an armed robbery in a store, two where drug deals gone bad, and one was killed by her husband None of the 4 were "mass shootings" by any other definition other than that silly number Setting aside the point you are making, I’m so sorry to hear that. On point, shootings are so rare here, where there is strict gun control, that I do not know anyone who has been shot, nor do I know anyone who knows someone who has been shot. Likewise I do not know anyone who owns a gun, or anyone who knows someone who owns a gun. I hope that strict control continues.
Going off that ignorant statistic I have 4 friends that died in mass shootings unfortunately one was at an armed robbery in a store, two where drug deals gone bad, and one was killed by her husband None of the 4 were "mass shootings" by any other definition other than that silly number Setting aside the point you are making, I’m so sorry to hear that. On point, shootings are so rare here, where there is strict gun control, that I do not know anyone who has been shot, nor do I know anyone who knows someone who has been shot. Likewise I do not know anyone who owns a gun, or anyone who knows someone who owns a gun. I hope that strict control continues. Liar ! selective memory ? I'm sure your good friend the lonely farmer has many. |
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Donald Trump, by k2 on Nov 9, 2018 18:41:38 GMT 1, Going off that ignorant statistic I have 4 friends that died in mass shootings unfortunately one was at an armed robbery in a store, two where drug deals gone bad, and one was killed by her husband None of the 4 were "mass shootings" by any other definition other than that silly number
That is terrible, very sorry to hear that.
Whether or not the statistic is ignorant or not I don't know, but it's worth mentioning that the FBI, the Gun Violence Archive, all major media outlets (including Fox news) and the Congressional Research Service all disagree with your definition.
What I would say is that I feel very fortunate to live somewhere where it never even crosses my mind that someone in the same shop / restaurant / cinema / train as me or my family might be carrying a gun. While you may feel that the right to bear arms is an important part of your freedom, I can only share my experience that living with the benefits of stricter gun control is an important part of mine.
Going off that ignorant statistic I have 4 friends that died in mass shootings unfortunately one was at an armed robbery in a store, two where drug deals gone bad, and one was killed by her husband None of the 4 were "mass shootings" by any other definition other than that silly number That is terrible, very sorry to hear that. Whether or not the statistic is ignorant or not I don't know, but it's worth mentioning that the FBI, the Gun Violence Archive, all major media outlets (including Fox news) and the Congressional Research Service all disagree with your definition. What I would say is that I feel very fortunate to live somewhere where it never even crosses my mind that someone in the same shop / restaurant / cinema / train as me or my family might be carrying a gun. While you may feel that the right to bear arms is an important part of your freedom, I can only share my experience that living with the benefits of stricter gun control is an important part of mine. |
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Donald Trump, by Leo Boyd on Nov 9, 2018 18:42:49 GMT 1, You are talking about spree killers then? So if we take away the number of spree killers America would still have a shockingly high rate of gun death and something would still have to be done about that no? Ps sorry about your friends. That is pretty grim. no my friend I'm talking about the fact that this quote-unquote statistic includes any time for people are killed which unfortunately in the United States is not all that uncommon and can happen in a simple things such as a robbery at cetera.. including these in mass shooting statistics makes zero sense to me as it's an entirely different motive and reason for the murders
so ok... if we take away all the deaths by what you define as mass shootings then America would still have a shockingly high death by gun rate no?
It would still be something that would have to be dealt with on a social and governmental level so that less and less people died each year?
You are talking about spree killers then? So if we take away the number of spree killers America would still have a shockingly high rate of gun death and something would still have to be done about that no? Ps sorry about your friends. That is pretty grim. no my friend I'm talking about the fact that this quote-unquote statistic includes any time for people are killed which unfortunately in the United States is not all that uncommon and can happen in a simple things such as a robbery at cetera.. including these in mass shooting statistics makes zero sense to me as it's an entirely different motive and reason for the murders I think you missed my point there so ok... if we take away all the deaths by what you define as mass shootings then America would still have a shockingly high death by gun rate no? It would still be something that would have to be dealt with on a social and governmental level so that less and less people died each year? |
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Donald Trump, by Coach on Nov 9, 2018 18:44:44 GMT 1, Setting aside the point you are making, I’m so sorry to hear that. On point, shootings are so rare here, where there is strict gun control, that I do not know anyone who has been shot, nor do I know anyone who knows someone who has been shot. Likewise I do not know anyone who owns a gun, or anyone who knows someone who owns a gun. I hope that strict control continues. and I thank you for that unfortunately I believe this is part of the problem that people outside of the United States can't fathom that our culture in fact is so different regarding this that the daily Outlook usage Etc is entirely different than it would be in your country
Yes, indeed, I suspect that’s the nail hit on the head; there’s a cultural difference.
I suppose that that begs the question, is it time to try to change that culture, or are you happy with it. And that, my friend, is a question for you and your fellow countrymen, rather than me, I guess. But I do hope that it does change because I can’t imagine what benefits guns bring.
Setting aside the point you are making, I’m so sorry to hear that. On point, shootings are so rare here, where there is strict gun control, that I do not know anyone who has been shot, nor do I know anyone who knows someone who has been shot. Likewise I do not know anyone who owns a gun, or anyone who knows someone who owns a gun. I hope that strict control continues. and I thank you for that unfortunately I believe this is part of the problem that people outside of the United States can't fathom that our culture in fact is so different regarding this that the daily Outlook usage Etc is entirely different than it would be in your country Yes, indeed, I suspect that’s the nail hit on the head; there’s a cultural difference. I suppose that that begs the question, is it time to try to change that culture, or are you happy with it. And that, my friend, is a question for you and your fellow countrymen, rather than me, I guess. But I do hope that it does change because I can’t imagine what benefits guns bring. |
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Donald Trump, by touchdowntodd on Nov 9, 2018 18:45:29 GMT 1, Going off that ignorant statistic I have 4 friends that died in mass shootings unfortunately one was at an armed robbery in a store, two where drug deals gone bad, and one was killed by her husband None of the 4 were "mass shootings" by any other definition other than that silly number That is terrible, very sorry to hear that. Whether or not the statistic is ignorant or not I don't know, but it's worth mentioning that the FBI, the Gun Violence Archive, all major media outlets (including Fox news) and the Congressional Research Service all disagree with your definition. What I would say is that I feel very fortunate to live somewhere where it never even crosses my mind that someone in the same shop / restaurant / cinema / train as me or my family might be carrying a gun. While you may feel that the right to bear arms is an important part of your freedom, I can only share my experience that living with the benefits of stricter gun control is an important part of mine.
there's a given take with living anywhere and I personally would never live anywhere except for the United States even with the gun violence. there's just certain things you guys can't see in certain manipulations by certain institutions to make it look certain ways and it's just not that way in the vast majority of the country you're really quite safe it's just that our crime is very centralized in certain areas for the most part
and I apologize because I'm currently driving so I have to use voice text I'm not as ignorant as it seems I am in regards to grammar and spelling LOL
Going off that ignorant statistic I have 4 friends that died in mass shootings unfortunately one was at an armed robbery in a store, two where drug deals gone bad, and one was killed by her husband None of the 4 were "mass shootings" by any other definition other than that silly number That is terrible, very sorry to hear that. Whether or not the statistic is ignorant or not I don't know, but it's worth mentioning that the FBI, the Gun Violence Archive, all major media outlets (including Fox news) and the Congressional Research Service all disagree with your definition. What I would say is that I feel very fortunate to live somewhere where it never even crosses my mind that someone in the same shop / restaurant / cinema / train as me or my family might be carrying a gun. While you may feel that the right to bear arms is an important part of your freedom, I can only share my experience that living with the benefits of stricter gun control is an important part of mine. there's a given take with living anywhere and I personally would never live anywhere except for the United States even with the gun violence. there's just certain things you guys can't see in certain manipulations by certain institutions to make it look certain ways and it's just not that way in the vast majority of the country you're really quite safe it's just that our crime is very centralized in certain areas for the most part and I apologize because I'm currently driving so I have to use voice text I'm not as ignorant as it seems I am in regards to grammar and spelling LOL |
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