Cope2 🇺🇸 New York Graffiti • Fernando Carlo

[Feral Things]

Apr 11, 2014 17:16:25 GMT 1 Emile said:

Hey guys just wanted to apologize for my questioning
The way I'm reading your posts, it seems you were a little offended

No, I wasn't offended at all. I took what you said as an honest question and was just trying to give an honest answer. Apologies if it came across differently.

[Ottomatik]

Apr 11, 2014 17:16:25 GMT 1 Emile said:

Hey guys just wanted to apologize for my questioning
The way I'm reading your posts, it seems you were a little offended

Just wanted to make sure its clear that this was never my intention

All I wanted to do was ask a question which I needed an answer to. Not state an opinion in any way

Hope thats clear (or at least cleared up)

Thanks guys


(this is mainly for Feral Things Ottomatik and randomname)

No worries. I didn't take your post as being offensive to me.
I understand you were just asking a question.
Don't sweat it.

[Petrusino]

I sent an email to Cope2; He replied to me. For me this is enough to continue to love and respect this artist ... In addition, he also posted on his twitter a photo of "the legend Andy Warhol..." (which is not the most admired artist by an homophobic)

Now I hope nobody will feel offended if I say that I love these signs that I was waiting for these from long time and that I continue to be a big fan of the artist who made​​ it.


"Please man when people are pissed off cause another asshole wants to disrespect we always stupid s**t

I love gay people I have tuns of gay friends for many years so let people say what they want

I love everyone the problem is the idiots who have so much hate in there heart and want to disrespect someone or assassinate there image and character all the time with phony rumors and lies

But if any gay person feels disrespected cause of my anger bulls**t my deepest apology I love gay people muahhhhhhh!!!!

You can post this for me if you want

thank you"

[Ottomatik]

Apr 11, 2014 20:37:30 GMT 1 Petrusino said:

I sent an email to Cope2; He replied to me. For me this is enough to continue to love and respect this artist ... In addition, he also posted on his twitter a photo of "the legend Andy Warhol..." (which is not the most admired artist by an homophobic)

Now I hope nobody will feel offended if I say that I love these signs that I was waiting for these from long time and that I continue to be a big fan of the artist who made​​ it.


"Please man when people are pissed off cause another asshole wants to disrespect we always stupid s**t

I love gay people I have tuns of gay friends for many years so let people say what they want

I love everyone the problem is the idiots who have so much hate in there heart and want to disrespect someone or assassinate there image and character all the time with phony rumors and lies

But if any gay person feels disrespected cause of my anger bulls**t my deepest apology I love gay people muahhhhhhh!!!!

You can post this for me if you want

thank you"

Um...his response is complete bullshit!

[Wearology]

**** Assistant Moderator Alert ****
I can't decide where to start editing this thread.
Do I go with the profanities 1st or just begin with the
insensitive homophobic remarks. I guess I'll just start
with the hate spewing venom being spread by the uniformed
few.

[Poster Bob]

Wow, cope is illiterate.

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Apr 11, 2014 22:57:40 GMT 1 Poster Bob said:

Wow, cope is illiterate.

Yup, he can spell both 'Banksy' and 'Collaboration' correctly.

[Quinnster]

Apr 11, 2014 22:59:01 GMT 1 @wizbong said:

Apr 11, 2014 22:57:40 GMT 1 Poster Bob said:

Wow, cope is illiterate.

Yup, he can spell both 'Banksy' and 'Collaboration' correctly.

This is why I would not buy one of his signs. Plus I don't like them or have any money :-)

[Deleted]

^^ That whole 'stunt' was frankly bizarre - and not in a good way

[Quinnster]

Apr 12, 2014 11:17:42 GMT 1 @ignorantwalnut said:

^^ That whole 'stunt' was frankly bizarre - and not in a good way

The Joke was on him 100%

[Petrusino]

Apr 11, 2014 22:59:01 GMT 1 @wizbong said:

Apr 11, 2014 22:57:40 GMT 1 Poster Bob said:

Wow, cope is illiterate.

Yup, he can spell both 'Banksy' and 'Collaboration' correctly.

Come on, it's just marketing ; Like this; 

[Petrusino]

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Apr 12, 2014 14:47:00 GMT 1 Petrusino said:

Apr 11, 2014 22:59:01 GMT 1 @wizbong said:

Come on, it's just marketing ; Like this; 

Sorry P its not just marketing in my view, it was a desperate attempt for Cope to grab some of the limelight that Banksy was getting for BOTI, he touted it around blogs and instagram etc that he had done a Banksy Collab, he even went along with some of the praise he got on his instagram feed!, when he was found out to have made the whole thing up he tried desperately and unsuccessfully to pass it off as a joke. I think it showed him to be a rather sad and deluded character.

Also there is the past beef with others about him being a Grass.

[Deleted]

checkmate.............

[Petrusino]

Apr 12, 2014 15:24:04 GMT 1 @wizbong said:

Apr 12, 2014 14:47:00 GMT 1 Petrusino said:

Sorry P its not just marketing in my view, it was a desperate attempt for Cope to grab some of the limelight that Banksy was getting for BOTI, he touted it around blogs and instagram etc that he had done a Banksy Collab, he even went along with some of the praise he got on his instagram feed!, when he was found out to have made the whole thing up he tried desperately and unsuccessfully to pass it off as a joke. I think it showed him to be a rather sad and deluded character.

Also there is the past beef with others about him being a Grass.

Yes Wiz, maybe it's bulls**t what he did with the Banksy's joke; but he is certainly not Mr Brainwash ; he surely already knew from the beginning that the truth would jump out quickly ; the joke, seen through the eyes of another writers may have seemed fun. To me he just wanted to draw some journalist about his art , and have a laugh with some other writers. I do not think that there is so much to be offended ; he also spoke well of Banksy ; I think anyone who loves the art in the street must love and respect artists like him , who make art in streets before everyone else and continue to make it and do it well . This man made errors like everyone, but he does not just streetart, he grew up in the street with an education and rules different from those with which we grew up. He has worked with all the graffiti legends, with Fairey, Retna, and more; and all of them show him respect and admiration. it is really a legend in graffiti and streetart, his fame grows increasingly also in urban art because his style is iconic, "pop", and also with a long, strong, raw story to tell. But I understand that tastes and principles differ from man to man.

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I wasnt talking about MBW fella, just Cope2. 

No way he started that fake Banksy collab as a joke, he had been angling for a Banksy collab for ages and when Banksy was getting all the attention and still didnt want a collab with him Cope went ahead and said he had done one!, he was called out online and found out to be a loser. It was said on here at the time it was found out that Cope would be haunted by the action in future.

To be fair, i do like some of the Tags he does though, he is a legend i know, but a somewhat fallen one IMO.

[Petrusino]

I do not like an artist just because he does a collaboration with Banksy. I love him irrespective, especially if he is a graffiti legend; then if he does also a collaboration with banksy I like him twice; but only a colab with banksy is not enough for me to love an artist. So I don't care so much about this story; However, I understand what you mean.

[Ottomatik]

Apr 12, 2014 17:32:08 GMT 1 Petrusino said:

I do not like an artist just because he does a collaboration with Banksy. I love him irrespective, especially if he is a graffiti legend; then if he does also a collaboration with banksy I like him twice; but only a colab with banksy is not enough for me to love an artist. So I don't care so much about this story; However, I understand what you mean.

You're giving me a headache.
For goodness sake, cope is only a tag of his name.
That's it. Nothing else.
I don't care about his history. (Mom always says...'if you keep looking in your rear view mirror, you're gonna crash.)
I care about the now. And as far as I'm aware. The only thing cope has given to the 'street art' world is a tag of his name, and a dirty mouth filled with homophobia and racism.

You post as if you may be a little smitten with cope. Be aware, you have been warned, he's not into that.

[Petrusino]

I understand from your words that you have not approached to the street art world thanks to the graffiti world. Indeed, It Seems that you do not like graffiti. Write their name on a wall has great significance for those who have no other way to be heard; it means I exist and you can not ignore me. "COPE" is just the most famous throw up in the world .
I asked him to apologize for those of you who have felt personally offended. He asked me to post it here on a public forum his apology; if he was really homophobic I do not think he would have agreed to make his apology public; Perhaps those excuses were not enough for you; I understand you. I'm sorry. But you know that the sensitivity of those who sold drugs for living, has lived in the midst of gangs, has been in jail, has seen friends die from gunshot wounds, is not equal to yours or mine. I will not post anything more because I understand that you took it personally and I do not want to hurt you. Peace

[Invaded 420]

Apr 13, 2014 11:22:33 GMT 1 Petrusino said:

I understand from your words that you have not approached to the street art world thanks to the graffiti world. Indeed, It Seems that you do not like graffiti. Write their name on a wall has great significance for those who have no other way to be heard; it means I exist and you can not ignore me. "COPE" is just the most famous throw up in the world .
I asked him to apologize for those of you who have felt personally offended. He asked me to post it here on a public forum his apology; if he was really homophobic I do not think he would have agreed to make his apology public; Perhaps those excuses were not enough for you; I understand you. I'm sorry. But you know that the sensitivity of those who sold drugs for living, has lived in the midst of gangs, has been in jail, has seen friends die from gunshot wounds, is not equal to yours or mine. I will not post anything more because I understand that you took it on the staff and I do not want to hurt you. Peace

well said. Grafitti is very different from street art, people who got straight into 'street art' wouldn't understand the graff seen. Big respect to cope for time spent in the game. Not the biggest fan of his work but the guy gets mad props from me

[mmmike]

Apr 12, 2014 20:49:04 GMT 1 Ottomatik said:

Apr 12, 2014 17:32:08 GMT 1 Petrusino said:

I do not like an artist just because he does a collaboration with Banksy. I love him irrespective, especially if he is a graffiti legend; then if he does also a collaboration with banksy I like him twice; but only a colab with banksy is not enough for me to love an artist. So I don't care so much about this story; However, I understand what you mean.

You're giving me a headache.
For goodness sake, cope is only a tag of his name.
That's it. Nothing else.
I don't care about his history. (Mom always says...'if you keep looking in your rear view mirror, you're gonna crash.)
I care about the now. And as far as I'm aware. The only thing cope has given to the 'street art' world is a tag of his name, and a dirty mouth filled with homophobia and racism.

You post as if you may be a little smitten with cope. Be aware, you have been warned, he's not into that.

Otto you have every right to write off cope for his hurtful comments. I understand where you are coming from. Alternatively though, you could reach out to cope and in a non confrontational way let him know how his comments effect you. You might be able to help bring about real change in him. Maybe not but it would be cool if it did. My bet is his comments come from ignorance rather than real hate. 

I know I have said some ignorant things that I regret. It is easy to turn hate on hate. But it is really special when you can change the way people think through thoughtful dialog coming from a place of trying to help rather than punish. The Gandhi way in a way. 

Just a thought. Real change won't happen unless someone is the bigger person and reaches out.

[Coach]

Apr 13, 2014 19:04:12 GMT 1 mmmike said:

Apr 12, 2014 20:49:04 GMT 1 Ottomatik said:

You're giving me a headache.
For goodness sake, cope is only a tag of his name.
That's it. Nothing else.
I don't care about his history. (Mom always says...'if you keep looking in your rear view mirror, you're gonna crash.)
I care about the now. And as far as I'm aware. The only thing cope has given to the 'street art' world is a tag of his name, and a dirty mouth filled with homophobia and racism.

You post as if you may be a little smitten with cope. Be aware, you have been warned, he's not into that.

Otto you have every right to write off cope for his hurtful comments. I understand where you are coming from. Alternatively though, you could reach out to cope and in a non confrontational way let him know how his comments effect you. You might be able to help bring about real change in him. Maybe not but it would be cool if it did. My bet is his comments come from ignorance rather than real hate. 

I know I have said some ignorant things that I regret. It is easy to turn hate on hate. But it is really special when you can change the way people think through thoughtful dialog coming from a place of trying to help rather than punish. The Gandhi way in a way. 

Just a thought. Real change won't happen unless someone is the bigger person and reaches out.

I have always thought rather highly of you mmmike.

You just went up even further in my estimation.

What a fab post! You're a good man.

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You beat me to it coach i was going to say something similar, i've never chatted with mmmike but great post! I have went on the defensive at least a few times with some anger and always regretted it. Mmmike summed it up.

[dirtypilot]

I have been watching this thread and we have a "no comment policy" here at DirtyPilot, but I have to break the rules to let mmmike know, that was really well said. Thanks for your words.

The Crew...
www.dirtypilot.com

[Deleted]

good to hear people behind the image speak openly....nice shout out!

[dirtypilot]

Thanks. we are always around if anyone has questions!!
also- [e-mail]

[mmmike]

Thanks all for the nice words but really not necessary and the feelings expressed are mutual. Sometimes I'm a bit put off by all the talk about making money on prints but all and all I have a great time on this forum.

I should also say Dirty Pilot hooked me up with an amazing Seen painting a while back. I'm trying not to buy much any more but it was too nice to pass up and the service, communications, and shipping were all outstanding and the price was good. I'd recommend them without reservation.

But while I was hoping to add a cope piece at some point, Otto's comments have made me think twice. I hope the two of you work things out.

[Ottomatik]

Any citizen of this country can turn on the tele, open the paper, look on the interweb and see all of the hate directed at the LGBT community/individuals.
We are at a tipping point here.
I'm sure cope is aware of this.
For goodness sake, he's on twitter.
Without a doubt, i can say that cope knows it's wrong to use such hate filled language.
He's an adult.

Mike, I've tried to have non confrontational conversations with many people in the past 21 years of my life.
My grandmother and I did not speak the last 7 years of her life because of this. In her eyes, I was/am going to hell.
I don't have the will to help others understand my way of life.
Either they accept it or they do not.
People are stubborn and adults don't like changing their beliefs. Or even put in a position to question their belief
.
Either way, mike, thank you for the well thought comment.

As for the DP 'crew,' I find it odd that you broke your 'no comment policy' to praise a forum members comment, (deserved, yes!) instead of addressing the issue and showing your stance.
If anything, you're selling his work, maybe it should be your crew that could have a civilized conversation with him about the topic at hand. Seems you're in a much better position to create change than I am.
Then again, maybe it doesn't matter to you.
And honestly, that's ok.

[dirtypilot]

Hello Otto,

While I understand your position and respect it,  I have watched threads and recently watched comments about the Black book Gallery. I feel these debates are bigger than us and I see no use in perpetuating anger while hiding behind a computer. Those who know me (Alan) and DirtyPilot, I hope have enjoyed the artwork we have brought to market. We love what we do and I think we do it well. We take this very seriously, but debating online about actions and language of artists is not our core strength.

Feel free to reach out to us at our email if you have concerns, we are always available to have engaging conversations about art and artists, the art market, etc. I feel if you have beef with an artist, you should go to them. 

The NYC Old Skool graffiti culture which is our focus is an exciting, historical and no doubt full of imperfect humans. We try not to be judge and jury, we base our commitment to a level of talent and history and market conditions.

We feel strongly that if it were not for the NYC graffiti writers of the 70's and 80's, out there risking it all to paint the trains,  the Urban and street art movements you revere and collect may not exist as they do today.

We wish you well.
best-
Alan

[iamzero]

Kudos to mmmike and Dirtypilot for their comments.