Cope2 🇺🇸 New York Graffiti • Fernando Carlo

[Ottomatik]

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[randomname]

Seems like an all-around class act. Don't think I'll be buying anything from him.

[Deleted]

randomname - Not a big deal since Mathgoth will buy the all stock - www.mathgoth.com/index.asp?page=2&art=2

[easycraig]

Apr 10, 2014 17:57:07 GMT 1 Ottomatik said:

Might as well add Dirty Pilot to my boycott list.

Stop supporting this homophobic idiot!

i don't think the above quote is a fair assessment....   -having dealt with dirty pilot 
for many of years....   i have only had nothing but positive transactions with them. 
ec

[iamzero]

Are we expecting our artists to be squeaky clean these days then? They're street artists, not Cliff Richards.

[Dungle]

Apr 11, 2014 7:53:55 GMT 1 iamzero said:

Are we expecting our artists to be squeaky clean these days then? They're street artists, not Cliff Richards.

I expect them to behave like normal human beings, not homophobic.

Being a street artist does not mean that you should be worshipped and be able to behave as you like.

[Deleted]

Apr 11, 2014 9:20:49 GMT 1 Dungle said:

Apr 11, 2014 7:53:55 GMT 1 iamzero said:

Are we expecting our artists to be squeaky clean these days then? They're street artists, not Cliff Richards.

I expect them to behave like normal human beings, not homophobic.

Being a street artist does not mean that you should be worshipped and be able to behave as you like.

Worshipped ? Well check COPE2 email address in the article poster above => COPE2GOD@yah(something).com

[Dungle]

Apr 11, 2014 9:34:43 GMT 1 @thebigboss said:

Apr 11, 2014 9:20:49 GMT 1 Dungle said:

I expect them to behave like normal human beings, not homophobic.

Being a street artist does not mean that you should be worshipped and be able to behave as you like.

Worshipped ? Well check COPE2 email address in the article poster above => COPE2GOD@yah(something).com

Indeed. I follow him on IG for some reason and he comes across as a complete knob on that too.

[Petrusino]

Honestly I do not think Cope2 is homophobic. I think he's a graffiti legend who studied the good manners in the College of the street, in the Bronx ghettos, not at the Oxford University. However, I hope he say sorry via twitter or Instagram to anyone feels offended from his words.

[Ottomatik]

Apr 11, 2014 7:38:46 GMT 1 easycraig said:

Apr 10, 2014 17:57:07 GMT 1 Ottomatik said:

Might as well add Dirty Pilot to my boycott list.

Stop supporting this homophobic idiot!

i don't think the above quote is a fair assessment....   -having dealt with dirty pilot 
for many of years....   i have only had nothing but positive transactions with them. 
ec

EC- As a gay man living in the US, I am not allowed(at this time) to marry the man I've lived with for 12 years. (We are going on our 14th year together.)
Yes, it's fair for me to not support any person/company/gallery that supports anything to do with homophobia.
DirtyPilot is now on that list.
They need to 'know their product.' That IS their responsibility.
cope2 has been notorious with his childish, hate filled homophobic comments. Which have been brought to members attention many times on this forum and EBeans.

[Emile]

Anyone else think the little yellow blue photo of cope2 is annoying on these pieces?

Edit:
Btw.. are these comments really the definition of homophobic? He's using the words "homo" and "faggot" as interchangable with "a**hole".

I definitely see why this is wrong and hurtful and im also not trying to defend it/him. Just wondering whether cope2 is aware of the implications his comments have.

[Ottomatik]

Apr 11, 2014 13:02:33 GMT 1 Petrusino said:

Honestly I do not think Cope2 is homophobic. I think....

[Feral Things]

Emile - I think you've answered your own question as to whether "...these comments [are] really the definition of homophobic?" in your following sentence when you say that "He's using the words "homo" and "faggot" as interchangable with "a**hole"."

[Ottomatik]

Apr 11, 2014 13:07:52 GMT 1 Emile said:

.. are these comments really the definition of homophobic? .

Um......yes.
It's offensive, meant to be offensive, and just an all around negative word. In my opinion, I can't ever think of a situation where it would be ok to use it.

[randomname]

Apr 11, 2014 13:07:52 GMT 1 Emile said:

Anyone else think the little yellow blue photo of cope2 is annoying on these pieces?

Edit:
Btw.. are these comments really the definition of homophobic? He's using the words "homo" and "faggot" as interchangable with "a**hole".

I definitely see why this is wrong and hurtful and im also not trying to defend it/him. Just wondering whether cope2 is aware of the implications his comments have.

And if he used the n-word, it wouldn't be racist? 

For the record, he has and does. And it is racist. I've seen his posts on Instagram. One guy wrote something to the effect of "Great work man. Too expensive for me." And he replied with "Fuck you, you broke ass n-----r. Get a fucking job." He deleted it a few minutes later, but the guy he was talking to was black. From what I can tell, Cope2 is a piece of shit on many levels. 

[Petrusino]

I would like to know if the guy he has offended is gay or not; if that guy is not gay, it is possible that Cope2 has chosen only a bad wrong word to offend an heterosexual. However I enjoy his art, and I hope he apologizes

[randomname]

Apr 11, 2014 7:31:10 GMT 1 @thebigboss said:

randomname - Not a big deal since Mathgoth will buy the all stock - www.mathgoth.com/index.asp?page=2&art=2

I wondered who bought that shit.

[randomname]

Apr 11, 2014 13:38:49 GMT 1 Petrusino said:

I would like to know if the guy he has offended is gay or not; if that guy is not gay, it is possible that Cope2 has chosen only a bad wrong word to offend an heterosexual. However I enjoy his art, and I hope he apologizes

Unless I'm missing something, Ottomatik is … and posted a screen grab of Cope2 calling him a ...

I don't know what good an apology would do. He's constantly saying homophobic and racist stuff online. And he's often called out for doing it. Yet he keeps right on doing it. At the end of the day, he is who he is. 

[Ottomatik]

Apr 11, 2014 13:38:49 GMT 1 Petrusino said:

I would like to know if the guy he has offended is gay or not; if that guy is not gay, it is possible that Cope2 has chosen only a bad wrong word to offend an heterosexual. However I enjoy his art, and I hope he apologizes

You seem a little clueless....

I'm not sure if the guy was gay or not, or if they were offended. I can't speak for other folk.
However, I can say that I am offended. And to me...that's what matters.

[Hairbland]

Apr 11, 2014 13:38:49 GMT 1 Petrusino said:

I would like to know if the guy he has offended is gay or not; if that guy is not gay, it is possible that Cope2 has chosen only a bad wrong word to offend an heterosexual. However I enjoy his art, and I hope he apologizes

hey Petrusino...I'm a straight man in NYC, lived here my whole life.  I'm educated, and liberal.

here's how it works in 2014 (and the last 5-10 years) - whether the guy Cope2 is referring to is gay or not means nothing.  these words are used as hate words, to weaken.  they are used by people of limited intelligence.  and generally those who use them with the frequency of Cope2 are usually on the DL, ashamed of their own true sexuality.

there is no excuse to use these words.  ever.

[soam24]

Don't support Cope2 for all the hateful reasons posted in this thread.

[iamzero]

So if you boycott cope2 and dirty pilot for supporting him do you also boycott Obey/ Shep Fairey for working with him and any other graffiti legend that happens to be friends with him?

[Coach]

Apr 11, 2014 13:38:49 GMT 1 Petrusino said:

I would like to know if the guy he has offended is gay or not; if that guy is not gay, it is possible that Cope2 has chosen only a bad wrong word to offend an heterosexual. However I enjoy his art, and I hope he apologizes

In my humble opinion, it doesn't make a difference.
Using the word faggot as an insult, directed at whomever, is homophobic and, in my opinion, offensive.

[Petrusino]

I do not think Martha Cooper would never been her friend if he was homophobic. I know guys, he is indefensible. I admire his art and I hope he apologize publicly. I also do not want to buy art by an homophobic artist. you are right

[nrgball]

The truth is that in this day and age his behavior is inexcusable. The rest of the truth is that we have no clue as to the world that this man came from. He obviously hold a tremendous amout of rage. It most likely comes from experiences that most of us have had the privilege of avoiding in our lives. I feel sorry for this man. He has to live with himself.

Aesthetically I think his work is very strong. Personally, I'm done with collecting it. To each their own.

[soam24]

Apr 11, 2014 14:42:28 GMT 1 iamzero said:

So if you boycott cope2 and dirty pilot for supporting him do you also boycott Obey/ Shep Fairey for working with him and any other graffiti legend that happens to be friends with him?

No, because their feelings / actions are not the same.  But i wouldn't buy anything w/ his name on it.

[randomname]

Apr 11, 2014 15:51:32 GMT 1 soam24 said:

Apr 11, 2014 14:42:28 GMT 1 iamzero said:

So if you boycott cope2 and dirty pilot for supporting him do you also boycott Obey/ Shep Fairey for working with him and any other graffiti legend that happens to be friends with him?

No, because their feelings / actions are not the same.  But i wouldn't buy anything w/ his name on it.

I also doubt Shepard Fairey spends much time reading comments on Instagram. Or that it comes up in conversation. He probably doesn't know. And given Shep's track record, I doubt he would have worked with him if he did know.

[Petrusino]

However seems that he loves Madonna, Lady Gaga and Lana del Ray which are all famous gay icons

[Emile]

Hey guys just wanted to apologize for my questioning
The way I'm reading your posts, it seems you were a little offended

Just wanted to make sure its clear that this was never my intention

All I wanted to do was ask a question which I needed an answer to. Not state an opinion in any way

Hope thats clear (or at least cleared up)

Thanks guys


(this is mainly for Feral Things Ottomatik and randomname)

[randomname]

Apr 11, 2014 17:16:25 GMT 1 Emile said:

Hey guys just wanted to apologize for my questioning
The way I'm reading your posts, it seems you were a little offended

Just wanted to make sure its clear that this was never my intention

All I wanted to do was ask a question which I needed an answer to. Not state an opinion in any way

Hope thats clear (or at least cleared up)

Thanks guys


(this is mainly for Feral Things Ottomatik and randomname)

I wasn't offended by anything you said. I just think Cope2 is a complete tool.

Once you reach a certain age, some behavior is never acceptable and you're old enough to have learned that no matter where you come from.