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New RAE Pieces go now..., by italianstallion on Oct 3, 2014 17:22:29 GMT 1, I'm not saying that Rae is better than basquiat, obvious that he is still a young artist who will grow and who is developing his own style. (we want to give him a few years of time, or claim that do millions of euro after 5 years?) Basquiat and rae are totally different, surely he will be inspired to basquiat, as well as basquiat was inspired by Dubuffet and Cy Twombly. I hope you know what I'm talking about;) PS The lifestyle is very important and significant in order to understand the work of an artist. The lifestyle is important to understanding an artist's work. But I think you see other artists' lives reflected more in RAE's work than his own. Maybe he will develop a more unique style. I hope he does. But for now that lack of originality is limiting the market for his work in my opinion. I don't think it's for any lack of exposure. Originality?Have you seen the last two Rae's Show? Bodega show And Ferengi fresh? You think rae lack originality? In my opinion, the originality is the only thing that is not lacking, especially when compared to many other artists considered much more .....my two cents
I'm not saying that Rae is better than basquiat, obvious that he is still a young artist who will grow and who is developing his own style. (we want to give him a few years of time, or claim that do millions of euro after 5 years?) Basquiat and rae are totally different, surely he will be inspired to basquiat, as well as basquiat was inspired by Dubuffet and Cy Twombly. I hope you know what I'm talking about;) PS The lifestyle is very important and significant in order to understand the work of an artist. The lifestyle is important to understanding an artist's work. But I think you see other artists' lives reflected more in RAE's work than his own. Maybe he will develop a more unique style. I hope he does. But for now that lack of originality is limiting the market for his work in my opinion. I don't think it's for any lack of exposure. Originality?Have you seen the last two Rae's Show? Bodega show And Ferengi fresh? You think rae lack originality? In my opinion, the originality is the only thing that is not lacking, especially when compared to many other artists considered much more .....my two cents
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randomname
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by randomname on Oct 3, 2014 17:32:44 GMT 1, The lifestyle is important to understanding an artist's work. But I think you see other artists' lives reflected more in RAE's work than his own. Maybe he will develop a more unique style. I hope he does. But for now that lack of originality is limiting the market for his work in my opinion. I don't think it's for any lack of exposure. Originality?Have you seen the last two Rae's Show? Bodega show And Ferengi fresh? You think rae lack originality? In my opinion, the originality is the only thing that is not lacking, especially when compared to many other artists considered much more .....my two cents Yes, I saw them. And I saw the same influences in his work. In my opinion, the comparisons to Basquiat are valid and unless he goes in a very different direction, he'll always have that hanging over his head.
The lifestyle is important to understanding an artist's work. But I think you see other artists' lives reflected more in RAE's work than his own. Maybe he will develop a more unique style. I hope he does. But for now that lack of originality is limiting the market for his work in my opinion. I don't think it's for any lack of exposure. Originality?Have you seen the last two Rae's Show? Bodega show And Ferengi fresh? You think rae lack originality? In my opinion, the originality is the only thing that is not lacking, especially when compared to many other artists considered much more .....my two cents Yes, I saw them. And I saw the same influences in his work. In my opinion, the comparisons to Basquiat are valid and unless he goes in a very different direction, he'll always have that hanging over his head.
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by italianstallion on Oct 3, 2014 17:51:38 GMT 1, Originality?Have you seen the last two Rae's Show? Bodega show And Ferengi fresh? You think rae lack originality? In my opinion, the originality is the only thing that is not lacking, especially when compared to many other artists considered much more .....my two cents Yes, I saw them. And I saw the same influences in his work. In my opinion, the comparisons to Basquiat are valid and unless he goes in a very different direction, he'll always have that hanging over his head. Piero Manzoni (italian artist ) has always had the weight of Yves Klein on the head ... and does anyway million euro at auctions!
Originality?Have you seen the last two Rae's Show? Bodega show And Ferengi fresh? You think rae lack originality? In my opinion, the originality is the only thing that is not lacking, especially when compared to many other artists considered much more .....my two cents Yes, I saw them. And I saw the same influences in his work. In my opinion, the comparisons to Basquiat are valid and unless he goes in a very different direction, he'll always have that hanging over his head. Piero Manzoni (italian artist ) has always had the weight of Yves Klein on the head ... and does anyway million euro at auctions!
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nrgball
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by nrgball on Oct 3, 2014 23:48:39 GMT 1, I will give it to you that there are similarities between Basquiat and RAE. Rae was certAinly influenced by others as well, including Bast. RAE has lived a very different life than Basquiat. And his subject matter is reflected as such. They come from completely different mind states. RAE is coherent and has a family whereas Basquiat was often wandering the streets and not exactly in his right mind. Basquiat had a raw stream of consciousness who, were it not for Warhol, many would have never known that he existed. Like Basquiat, RAE was influenced by the streets of NY but they lived in very different times and with very different life experiences. I think both wove that life experience through their work, the asthetic is similar but the subject matter is personal to both. I have watched RAE evoke over the last 4 years and though his pieces are very hit and miss for me. I can see that his skills have gotten stronger. I have always felt that his real strength is in sculpture. After the bodega show, I was blown away by his ability to cohesively transform that space. It was definitively one of the most incredible installations I've seen in person. I see him pushing himself constantly and though is voice may sometimes be clouded by the influence of Basquiat, there is massive talent that goes beyond stencils and screen printing. RAE understands composition and has clearly honed his craft in the past 5 years. I for one am paying attention I don't disagree with you that he has other influences, or that he has artistic talent. I'm simply saying that those influences are perhaps a bit too pronounced for his work to be perceived as overly original. If there were fewer similarities between his work and other artists (primarily Basquiat), I think there would be a larger market for his work. And I don't think you'd see $1,000 originals hanging around for sale a week after they dropped.ย
I get what you're saying about RAE not innovating the style. That's fair.
But your logic in saying that $1000 originals would remain unsold if he had fewer similarities with other artists makes little sense. Folks might just not like those works. And just because an artist makes something original does not equate to a certain value.
I think RAE is just starting to develop a fan base. I also think his fan base would grow much faster were he able to skip the hooligans of the EB and UAA crowds. His work would translate much better in a contemporary scene. His work doesn't translate so well in the street art community. All my opinion of course.
RAE has sold works up to $4k which is fairly solid for any emerging artist. The fact that a couple of works on paper means little in the scheme of a career. Time will tell where he ends up. You or I will have little to do with it and the squabbles of this thread will dissipate.
I do think RAEs sculpture work is quite progressive and adds an element to his work that is very different from basquiat. If you're unable to see it, fair enough.
I also think that there is a wonderful exercise in developing skills by mirroring another's work. Eventually RAEs own stories and voice will shine through as he moves through the work of those who have influenced him.
Must we forget that Shakespeare borrowed and stole from many playwrites before him. His legacy remains while history holds the others who fed his voice in the dusty corners of history books. There was a time when artists were flattered and respected for borrowing from another. It leads to refinement and mastery under the right circumstances. In other words, don't be so quick to lay judgement on a single point of time.
I hope for RAEs sake that this is all still beginning. I have a strong belief and a sneaking feeling that it just may be.
I will give it to you that there are similarities between Basquiat and RAE. Rae was certAinly influenced by others as well, including Bast. RAE has lived a very different life than Basquiat. And his subject matter is reflected as such. They come from completely different mind states. RAE is coherent and has a family whereas Basquiat was often wandering the streets and not exactly in his right mind. Basquiat had a raw stream of consciousness who, were it not for Warhol, many would have never known that he existed. Like Basquiat, RAE was influenced by the streets of NY but they lived in very different times and with very different life experiences. I think both wove that life experience through their work, the asthetic is similar but the subject matter is personal to both. I have watched RAE evoke over the last 4 years and though his pieces are very hit and miss for me. I can see that his skills have gotten stronger. I have always felt that his real strength is in sculpture. After the bodega show, I was blown away by his ability to cohesively transform that space. It was definitively one of the most incredible installations I've seen in person. I see him pushing himself constantly and though is voice may sometimes be clouded by the influence of Basquiat, there is massive talent that goes beyond stencils and screen printing. RAE understands composition and has clearly honed his craft in the past 5 years. I for one am paying attention I don't disagree with you that he has other influences, or that he has artistic talent. I'm simply saying that those influences are perhaps a bit too pronounced for his work to be perceived as overly original. If there were fewer similarities between his work and other artists (primarily Basquiat), I think there would be a larger market for his work. And I don't think you'd see $1,000 originals hanging around for sale a week after they dropped.ย I get what you're saying about RAE not innovating the style. That's fair. But your logic in saying that $1000 originals would remain unsold if he had fewer similarities with other artists makes little sense. Folks might just not like those works. And just because an artist makes something original does not equate to a certain value. I think RAE is just starting to develop a fan base. I also think his fan base would grow much faster were he able to skip the hooligans of the EB and UAA crowds. His work would translate much better in a contemporary scene. His work doesn't translate so well in the street art community. All my opinion of course. RAE has sold works up to $4k which is fairly solid for any emerging artist. The fact that a couple of works on paper means little in the scheme of a career. Time will tell where he ends up. You or I will have little to do with it and the squabbles of this thread will dissipate. I do think RAEs sculpture work is quite progressive and adds an element to his work that is very different from basquiat. If you're unable to see it, fair enough. I also think that there is a wonderful exercise in developing skills by mirroring another's work. Eventually RAEs own stories and voice will shine through as he moves through the work of those who have influenced him. Must we forget that Shakespeare borrowed and stole from many playwrites before him. His legacy remains while history holds the others who fed his voice in the dusty corners of history books. There was a time when artists were flattered and respected for borrowing from another. It leads to refinement and mastery under the right circumstances. In other words, don't be so quick to lay judgement on a single point of time. I hope for RAEs sake that this is all still beginning. I have a strong belief and a sneaking feeling that it just may be.
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mega
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by mega on Oct 4, 2014 4:44:17 GMT 1, I love RAE...I have some originals on thick paper and a couple of prints...the quality is excellent, I love his use of colors and the overall appearance of his work...I am no art expert for sure but obviously to my untrained eye - I can see the influence of Basquait - That being said - I also know even with my limited knowledge that Basquait was influenced by others that came before him. I find RAE refreshing, thought provoking, simple and complicated...I always look forward to seeing what his next work will be and watching his progress...that is enough for me to want to buy his work....While I don't necessarily agree with Randomname's opinions - I am enjoying watching the discussion and learning- so thank you...
I love RAE...I have some originals on thick paper and a couple of prints...the quality is excellent, I love his use of colors and the overall appearance of his work...I am no art expert for sure but obviously to my untrained eye - I can see the influence of Basquait - That being said - I also know even with my limited knowledge that Basquait was influenced by others that came before him. I find RAE refreshing, thought provoking, simple and complicated...I always look forward to seeing what his next work will be and watching his progress...that is enough for me to want to buy his work....While I don't necessarily agree with Randomname's opinions - I am enjoying watching the discussion and learning- so thank you...
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thriftypix
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by thriftypix on Oct 4, 2014 16:25:24 GMT 1, Looking at the IG photos of the new "prints", and the way they're lying on the floor - completely flat, with no bowing - I wonder whether these might have been printed and painted on some kind of art board, rather than paper. A new approach, perhaps, for Mister RAE? Or is that the way, say, Jug was done?
Looking at the IG photos of the new "prints", and the way they're lying on the floor - completely flat, with no bowing - I wonder whether these might have been printed and painted on some kind of art board, rather than paper. A new approach, perhaps, for Mister RAE? Or is that the way, say, Jug was done?
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by Momo on Oct 4, 2014 16:31:01 GMT 1, I don't really like the aesthetics of RAEs pieces. What is he going for, expressing or representing with his work.. Would love to understand what it is you all see..
I don't really like the aesthetics of RAEs pieces. What is he going for, expressing or representing with his work.. Would love to understand what it is you all see..
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by petro on Oct 4, 2014 18:26:08 GMT 1, Looking at the IG photos of the new "prints", and the way they're lying on the floor - completely flat, with no bowing - I wonder whether these might have been printed and painted on some kind of art board, rather than paper. A new approach, perhaps, for Mister RAE? Or is that the way, say, Jug was done? I was wondering the same thing. Either it's a new, thicker paper, or possibly art board. Really excited for this one. Would love to pick up both.
Looking at the IG photos of the new "prints", and the way they're lying on the floor - completely flat, with no bowing - I wonder whether these might have been printed and painted on some kind of art board, rather than paper. A new approach, perhaps, for Mister RAE? Or is that the way, say, Jug was done? I was wondering the same thing. Either it's a new, thicker paper, or possibly art board. Really excited for this one. Would love to pick up both.
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thriftypix
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by thriftypix on Oct 4, 2014 18:40:37 GMT 1, Agreed. If only I had the money for both! At first I was drawn more to ANYTOWN, USA. Now I'm really liking the simpler, but maybe more striking composition (and blue) of YOU. Decisions decisions...
Agreed. If only I had the money for both! At first I was drawn more to ANYTOWN, USA. Now I'm really liking the simpler, but maybe more striking composition (and blue) of YOU. Decisions decisions...
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