[randomname]

Sept 27, 2014 19:12:53 GMT 1 petro said:

Sept 27, 2014 3:48:37 GMT 1 randomname said:

As a general rule, whenever someone has to grasp onto the old fallback of "I have a degree," whether real or imagined, it's because their argument is on very shaky ground. The fact is they're painting identical subject matter using the same techniques in a nearly identical style. Anyone who wants to argue that their styles are "vastly different," or anything other than derivative clearly knows nothing about art. 

My argument is not on "very shaky ground." You just don't know what you're talking about. Do yourself a favor and go to a museum. There are entire movements based around various artistic styles and methods of applying paint to canvas. Artists absolutely do not have any obligation to create work that is "vastly different" in order to make a meaningful contribution. Are you saying that there is no room for both Paul Signac and Georges Seurat? Which artist do we discount? Which paintings go in the garbage? Which of the impressionist artists are original in your mind and which are rip-offs? One could certainly argue they are all "derivative."

RAE's work obviously stands on it's own. There is room in the art world for both RAE and Basquiat. Just as there is room for Metzinger and Picasso. And just as there is room for Bansky and Blek Le Rat.

At the risk of stating the obvious, you have not named a single differentiating factor in their styles. By way of contrast, I've stated in detail why I believe their styles are nearly identical. And posted examples of nearly identical work.

lYour argument is simply "they're different because I say they're different." I've challenged you repeatedly to state specifically how their styles differ and your only response is to claim I don't know what I'm talking about while simultaneously proving you have no idea what you're talking about.

[italianstallion]

In italy there is a sentence that i don't know how to translate correctly, that explane, i think, well, the concept of copycat or other similarity between artists.
After the impressionist, the artist " non e' piu' quello che sa fare qualcosa ma quello che dice qualcosa". I try to translate. " the artist isn't more who do somerhing but who say something". Then based a challenge only on the style is out of time.

[italianstallion]

ok, now you tell me who are these works and their differences?

[Deleted]

Basquiat & Zinelli.

Did they both copy Rae?.

[petro]

New RAE prints are looking amazing… 100% hand-painted background and all unique. Here's one pre-screen.

[italianstallion]

I like it, I think RAE (which is a young artist) is slowly finding its way. I usually buy original works, not prints, but for this I might make an exception

[valentina]

Sept 26, 2014 21:13:24 GMT 1 randomname said:

Sept 26, 2014 18:49:24 GMT 1 stvro22 said:

His Africa show had about 12 originals and all sold in days so not sure what you mean there. This is a new site and maybe hasn't had the eyes yet.

Plus I still don't get this exact Basquiat comparison either. I see elements with a loose approach but if you put a RAE work next to Basquiat they are vastly different in styles.

Who cares really. Buy what you like.

Your definition of vastly different is vastly different from mine.

RAE rules!  I am the owner of the piece directly above, as well as another original and quite a few prints. Had to drop in on this post and rep.  He is the dude who got me into collecting - I'll be a loyal fan as long as I can afford this addiction!  -John Serritella / ANOTONE

[randomname]

Oct 3, 2014 4:58:15 GMT 1 valentina said:

Sept 26, 2014 21:13:24 GMT 1 randomname said:

Your definition of vastly different is vastly different from mine.

RAE rules!  I am the owner of the piece directly above, as well as another original and quite a few prints. Had to drop in on this post and rep.  He is the dude who got me into collecting - I'll be a loyal fan as long as I can afford this addiction!  -John Serritella / ANOTONE

I don't have anything against him personally. I assume he's a very nice guy. I just think he's heavily influenced by Basquiat. Because of that, I think the ceiling for his marketability is much lower than if his style was more unique. 

[italianstallion]

I still do not understand. I do not understand why on RAE you make all these speeches and on the stencil artist no. Banksy, blek, Dolk, dot dot dot (and other) all use the same style. The only one who uses a style similar to that of basquiat (primitive, childhood style) is Rae. But for everyone else it is ok to use similar styles, for rae rather not do.

[maxf]

Oct 3, 2014 5:14:30 GMT 1 randomname said:

Oct 3, 2014 4:58:15 GMT 1 valentina said:

RAE rules!  I am the owner of the piece directly above, as well as another original and quite a few prints. Had to drop in on this post and rep.  He is the dude who got me into collecting - I'll be a loyal fan as long as I can afford this addiction!  -John Serritella / ANOTONE

I don't have anything against him personally. I assume he's a very nice guy. I just think he's heavily influenced by Basquiat. Because of that, I think the ceiling for his marketability is much lower than if his style was more unique. 

Actually - if he is a legitimate artist, with his own style which may (or may not!) be Basquiat inspired then surely he could capture a slice of the market which enjoys the style but can't afford £10m (or whatever) for an original. Maybe.

[italianstallion]

Oct 3, 2014 9:11:40 GMT 1 maxf said:

Oct 3, 2014 5:14:30 GMT 1 randomname said:

I don't have anything against him personally. I assume he's a very nice guy. I just think he's heavily influenced by Basquiat. Because of that, I think the ceiling for his marketability is much lower than if his style was more unique. 

Actually - if he is a legitimate artist, with his own style which may (or may not!) be Basquiat inspired then surely he could capture a slice of the market which enjoys the style but can't afford £10m (or whatever) for an original. Maybe.

Why?

[maxf]

Oct 3, 2014 9:50:18 GMT 1 italianstallion said:

Oct 3, 2014 9:11:40 GMT 1 maxf said:

Actually - if he is a legitimate artist, with his own style which may (or may not!) be Basquiat inspired then surely he could capture a slice of the market which enjoys the style but can't afford £10m (or whatever) for an original. Maybe.

Why?

Why not?  The post above mentioned that his style would hold him back, I thought it might not. 

[italianstallion]

The world MARKET art is very complex, the value (price, cost) that will the work in the future, has nothing to do with the style or the pleasantness of a work.
Do you think basquiat costs so much just because it works beautiful and brilliant? do you think that the art market is made by artists or collectors? no. If we talk about style or techniques or any other concerns that the artist ok, but talk about how much will be worth based on the work and the quality is something that makes no sense.

[maxf]

Oct 3, 2014 11:14:42 GMT 1 italianstallion said:

The world MARKET art is very complex, the value (price, cost) that will the work in the future, has nothing to do with the style or the pleasantness of a work.
Do you think basquiat costs so much just because it works beautiful and brilliant? do you think that the art market is made by artists or collectors? no. If we talk about style or techniques or any other concerns that the artist ok, but talk about how much will be worth based on the work and the quality is something that makes no sense.

What are you talking about?  Are you just arguing with yourself?

[italianstallion]

Oct 3, 2014 11:56:49 GMT 1 maxf said:

Oct 3, 2014 11:14:42 GMT 1 italianstallion said:

The world MARKET art is very complex, the value (price, cost) that will the work in the future, has nothing to do with the style or the pleasantness of a work.
Do you think basquiat costs so much just because it works beautiful and brilliant? do you think that the art market is made by artists or collectors? no. If we talk about style or techniques or any other concerns that the artist ok, but talk about how much will be worth based on the work and the quality is something that makes no sense.

What are you talking about?  Are you just arguing with yourself?

Sorry probably i don't understand what you wrote before!

[randomname]

Oct 3, 2014 8:49:05 GMT 1 italianstallion said:

I still do not understand. I do not understand why on RAE you make all these speeches and on the stencil artist no. Banksy, blek, Dolk, dot dot dot (and other) all use the same style. The only one who uses a style similar to that of basquiat (primitive, childhood style) is Rae. But for everyone else it is ok to use similar styles, for rae rather not do.

This thread is about RAE, so I think it's only natural to discus his work rather than that of stencil artists. But if you want to have that discussion, we can.

As far as Banksy and Blek go, I've already said how their styles and the ideas behind their work are different. Beyond that, Banksy has proven himself to be much more than just a stencil artist. He's worked in just about every medium possible, including film, sculpture, oils and performance art. So claiming that Banksy copied Blek is clutching at straws.

If you want to argue that other stencil artists are inspired by Banksy, I wouldn't disagree. As a result, there's not nearly as much demand for their work as there is for Banksy's. And their work sells for a fraction of what Banksy's goes for. 

That said, the value of art is affected by more factors than originality alone. But the perception of originality, or the lack thereof, plays a large role in the market.

If there had been no Basquiat, I think you'd see RAE's work selling for quite a bit more money. But then if there had been no Basquiat, I don't think there would be a RAE. At least not in his current form.

[stvro22]

Oct 3, 2014 15:03:02 GMT 1 randomname said:

Oct 3, 2014 8:49:05 GMT 1 italianstallion said:

I still do not understand. I do not understand why on RAE you make all these speeches and on the stencil artist no. Banksy, blek, Dolk, dot dot dot (and other) all use the same style. The only one who uses a style similar to that of basquiat (primitive, childhood style) is Rae. But for everyone else it is ok to use similar styles, for rae rather not do.

This thread is about RAE, so I think it's only natural to discus his work rather than that of stencil artists. But if you want to have that discussion, we can.

As far as Banksy and Blek go, I've already said how their styles and the ideas behind their work are different. Beyond that, Banksy has proven himself to be much more than just a stencil artist. He's worked in just about every medium possible, including film, sculpture, oils and performance art. So claiming that Banksy copied Blek is clutching at straws.

If you want to argue that other stencil artists are inspired by Banksy, I wouldn't disagree. As a result, there's not nearly as much demand for their work as there is for Banksy's. And their work sells for a fraction of what Banksy's goes for. 

That said, the value of art is affected by more factors than originality alone. But the perception of originality, or the lack thereof, plays a large role in the market.

If there had been no Basquiat, I think you'd see RAE's work selling for quite a bit more money. But then if there had been no Basquiat, I don't think there would be a RAE. At least not in his current form.

Do you even know what a RAE original on canvas sells for? Do you know how much he's sold this year or last? Do you know about his private commissions and what they cost? Do you know his overall sales history and if the price for his work has increased?

If you do please enlighten us oh great Art History major of all things RAE.

If your going to state things as fact surely you must have some facts no?

[stvro22]

And while you're crunching those numbers let us know what Basquiat was selling his work for in the first 5 years of his career? You can add the inflation rate to your figure.

Hint: I heard he was selling works for about $100.

[italianstallion]

Oct 3, 2014 15:03:02 GMT 1 randomname said:

Oct 3, 2014 8:49:05 GMT 1 italianstallion said:

I still do not understand. I do not understand why on RAE you make all these speeches and on the stencil artist no. Banksy, blek, Dolk, dot dot dot (and other) all use the same style. The only one who uses a style similar to that of basquiat (primitive, childhood style) is Rae. But for everyone else it is ok to use similar styles, for rae rather not do.

This thread is about RAE, so I think it's only natural to discus his work rather than that of stencil artists. But if you want to have that discussion, we can.

As far as Banksy and Blek go, I've already said how their styles and the ideas behind their work are different. Beyond that, Banksy has proven himself to be much more than just a stencil artist. He's worked in just about every medium possible, including film, sculpture, oils and performance art. So claiming that Banksy copied Blek is clutching at straws.

If you want to argue that other stencil artists are inspired by Banksy, I wouldn't disagree. As a result, there's not nearly as much demand for their work as there is for Banksy's. And their work sells for a fraction of what Banksy's goes for. 

That said, the value of art is affected by more factors than originality alone. But the perception of originality, or the lack thereof, plays a large role in the market.

If there had been no Basquiat, I think you'd see RAE's work selling for quite a bit more money. But then if there had been no Basquiat, I don't think there would be a RAE. At least not in his current form.

So, I'd like to know if someone who writes of the similarity between basquiat and rae has ever had in his hand a basquiat original and a rae original. I will. Here, have nothing to do, the only meeting point is the style that recalls the so-called outsider art, naive art, art brut. As for the poetry, basquiat born, if you will, with many more features like Banksy. With his pseudonym SAMO, he used to write on the walls sentences that had an impact on social rather than artistic. Then later he began to attend the artistically important people of new york, the jet set, and thanks to his talent has arrived where we see it all now. Basquiat wanted to become famous, was his goal. (this is a small observation of the differences between rae and basquiat but you could write for hours). Only a vision, very, very superficial of the things can combine the art of Basquiat to that of Rae. Never worlds were more distant.

[randomname]

Oct 3, 2014 15:15:51 GMT 1 stvro22 said:

Oct 3, 2014 15:03:02 GMT 1 randomname said:

This thread is about RAE, so I think it's only natural to discus his work rather than that of stencil artists. But if you want to have that discussion, we can.

As far as Banksy and Blek go, I've already said how their styles and the ideas behind their work are different. Beyond that, Banksy has proven himself to be much more than just a stencil artist. He's worked in just about every medium possible, including film, sculpture, oils and performance art. So claiming that Banksy copied Blek is clutching at straws.

If you want to argue that other stencil artists are inspired by Banksy, I wouldn't disagree. As a result, there's not nearly as much demand for their work as there is for Banksy's. And their work sells for a fraction of what Banksy's goes for. 

That said, the value of art is affected by more factors than originality alone. But the perception of originality, or the lack thereof, plays a large role in the market.

If there had been no Basquiat, I think you'd see RAE's work selling for quite a bit more money. But then if there had been no Basquiat, I don't think there would be a RAE. At least not in his current form.

Do you even know what a RAE original on canvas sells for? Do you know how much he's sold this year or last? Do you know about his private commissions and what they cost? Do you know his overall sales history and if the price for his work has increased?

If you do please enlighten us oh great Art History major of all things RAE.

If your going to state things as fact surely you must have some facts no?

There's no reason to get defensive over someone else's artwork. It just makes you look childish and immature. But to answer your question, RAE has original works for sale in the neighborhood of $1,000 which have not sold. As for Basquiat, his work was going for $25,000-$50,000 in his early 20s. I don't think we need to adjust for inflation to make the point, but that's roughly $72,000-$140,000 today.

[stvro22]

Some RAE works I enjoy. Since it seems we are only comparing a few of his pieces thought I'd share some more. 



RAE by BROOKLYNITE PROJECTS, on Flickr


RAE by BROOKLYNITE PROJECTS, on Flickr

RAE by BROOKLYNITE PROJECTS, on Flickr

RAE by BROOKLYNITE PROJECTS, on Flickr

RAE by BROOKLYNITE PROJECTS, on Flickr

RAE by BROOKLYNITE PROJECTS, on Flickr

RAE by BROOKLYNITE PROJECTS, on Flickr

[nrgball]

I will give it to you that there are similarities between Basquiat and RAE. Rae was certAinly influenced by others as well, including Bast.

RAE has lived a very different life than Basquiat. And his subject matter is reflected as such. They come from completely different mind states. RAE is coherent and has a family whereas Basquiat was often wandering the streets and not exactly in his right mind. Basquiat had a raw stream of consciousness who, were it not for Warhol, many would have never known that he existed. Like Basquiat, RAE was influenced by the streets of NY but they lived in very different times and with very different life experiences. I think both wove that life experience through their work, the asthetic is similar but the subject matter is personal to both.

I have watched RAE evoke over the last 4 years and though his pieces are very hit and miss for me. I can see that his skills have gotten stronger. I have always felt that his real strength is in sculpture. After the bodega show, I was blown away by his ability to cohesively transform that space. It was definitively one of the most incredible installations I've seen in person. I see him pushing himself constantly and though is voice may sometimes be clouded by the influence of Basquiat, there is massive talent that goes beyond stencils and screen printing. RAE understands composition and has clearly honed his craft in the past 5 years. I for one am paying attention

[randomname]

Oct 3, 2014 15:59:52 GMT 1 italianstallion said:

Oct 3, 2014 15:03:02 GMT 1 randomname said:

This thread is about RAE, so I think it's only natural to discus his work rather than that of stencil artists. But if you want to have that discussion, we can.

As far as Banksy and Blek go, I've already said how their styles and the ideas behind their work are different. Beyond that, Banksy has proven himself to be much more than just a stencil artist. He's worked in just about every medium possible, including film, sculpture, oils and performance art. So claiming that Banksy copied Blek is clutching at straws.

If you want to argue that other stencil artists are inspired by Banksy, I wouldn't disagree. As a result, there's not nearly as much demand for their work as there is for Banksy's. And their work sells for a fraction of what Banksy's goes for. 

That said, the value of art is affected by more factors than originality alone. But the perception of originality, or the lack thereof, plays a large role in the market.

If there had been no Basquiat, I think you'd see RAE's work selling for quite a bit more money. But then if there had been no Basquiat, I don't think there would be a RAE. At least not in his current form.

So, I'd like to know if someone who writes of the similarity between basquiat and rae has ever had in his hand a basquiat original and a rae original. I will. Here, have nothing to do, the only meeting point is the style that recalls the so-called outsider art, naive art, art brut. As for the poetry, basquiat born, if you will, with many more features like Banksy. With his pseudonym SAMO, he used to write on the walls sentences that had an impact on social rather than artistic. Then later he began to attend the artistically important people of new york, the jet set, and thanks to his talent has arrived where we see it all now. Basquiat wanted to become famous, was his goal. (this is a small observation of the differences between rae and basquiat but you could write for hours). Only a vision, very, very superficial of the things can combine the art of Basquiat to that of Rae. Never worlds were more distant.

I've seen both of their work in person if that's what you're asking. I don't own either.

As for as the similarities between their styles, it goes far beyond being childlike and primitive. RAE uses similar color palettes in most of his work, he uses similar compositions, he paints similar subject matter, and most importantly, he draws his figures in an almost identical style.

There are nearly limitless ways you could draw a human figure primitively. It defies logic and reason to think that it's merely coincidence RAE draws his figures in a nearly identical way. Especially when you consider Basquiat was a world-renowned artist in RAE's hometown. 

As for the difference between RAE and Basquiat, the differences in their lifestyles is irrelevant. It's Basquiat's artistic style that RAE has borrowed, not his lifestyle.

[stvro22]

Oct 3, 2014 16:19:15 GMT 1 randomname said:

Oct 3, 2014 15:15:51 GMT 1 stvro22 said:

Do you even know what a RAE original on canvas sells for? Do you know how much he's sold this year or last? Do you know about his private commissions and what they cost? Do you know his overall sales history and if the price for his work has increased?

If you do please enlighten us oh great Art History major of all things RAE.

If your going to state things as fact surely you must have some facts no?

There's no reason to get defensive over someone else's artwork. It just makes you look childish and immature. But to answer your question, RAE has original works for sale in the neighborhood of $1,000 which have not sold. As for Basquiat, his work was going for $25,000-$50,000 in his early 20s. I don't think we need to adjust for inflation to make the point, but that's roughly $72,000-$140,000 today.

Where are you getting your facts? A simple google search will reveal Basquait could sell anything his first 3 years of painting. He was considered to have a poor graffiti hand-style in the scene and only after the stock market started to boom in the 80's and he met Warhol did his career start to take off. 


I'm open to having an educated debate as you keep claiming to do, but you haven't done your homework. 

[randomname]

Oct 3, 2014 16:23:15 GMT 1 nrgball said:

I will give it to you that there are similarities between Basquiat and RAE. Rae was certAinly influenced by others as well, including Bast.

RAE has lived a very different life than Basquiat. And his subject matter is reflected as such. They come from completely different mind states. RAE is coherent and has a family whereas Basquiat was often wandering the streets and not exactly in his right mind. Basquiat had a raw stream of consciousness who, were it not for Warhol, many would have never known that he existed. Like Basquiat, RAE was influenced by the streets of NY but they lived in very different times and with very different life experiences. I think both wove that life experience through their work, the asthetic is similar but the subject matter is personal to both.

I have watched RAE evoke over the last 4 years and though his pieces are very hit and miss for me. I can see that his skills have gotten stronger. I have always felt that his real strength is in sculpture. After the bodega show, I was blown away by his ability to cohesively transform that space. It was definitively one of the most incredible installations I've seen in person. I see him pushing himself constantly and though is voice may sometimes be clouded by the influence of Basquiat, there is massive talent that goes beyond stencils and screen printing. RAE understands composition and has clearly honed his craft in the past 5 years. I for one am paying attention

I don't disagree with you that he has other influences, or that he has artistic talent. I'm simply saying that those influences are perhaps a bit too pronounced for his work to be perceived as overly original.

If there were fewer similarities between his work and other artists (primarily Basquiat), I think there would be a larger market for his work. And I don't think you'd see $1,000 originals hanging around for sale a week after they dropped. 

[randomname]

Oct 3, 2014 16:42:49 GMT 1 stvro22 said:

Oct 3, 2014 16:19:15 GMT 1 randomname said:

There's no reason to get defensive over someone else's artwork. It just makes you look childish and immature. But to answer your question, RAE has original works for sale in the neighborhood of $1,000 which have not sold. As for Basquiat, his work was going for $25,000-$50,000 in his early 20s. I don't think we need to adjust for inflation to make the point, but that's roughly $72,000-$140,000 today.

Where are you getting your facts? A simple google search will reveal Basquait could sell anything his first 3 years of painting. He was considered to have a poor graffiti hand-style in the scene and only after the stock market started to boom in the 80's and he met Warhol did his career start to take off. 


I'm open to having an educated debate as you keep claiming to do, but you haven't done your homework. 

From the New York Times. 

While still in his early 20's, his work was shown at leading SoHo galleries, including the Annina Nosei Gallery and the Mary Boone Gallery, and his work was exhibited in galleries from SoHo to Paris, Tokyo and Dusseldorf. His paintings sold for $25,000 to $50,000, Mr. Baghoomian said.

www.nytimes.com/books/98/08/09/specials/basquiat-obit.html

[italianstallion]

Oct 3, 2014 16:35:15 GMT 1 randomname said:

Oct 3, 2014 15:59:52 GMT 1 italianstallion said:

So, I'd like to know if someone who writes of the similarity between basquiat and rae has ever had in his hand a basquiat original and a rae original. I will. Here, have nothing to do, the only meeting point is the style that recalls the so-called outsider art, naive art, art brut. As for the poetry, basquiat born, if you will, with many more features like Banksy. With his pseudonym SAMO, he used to write on the walls sentences that had an impact on social rather than artistic. Then later he began to attend the artistically important people of new york, the jet set, and thanks to his talent has arrived where we see it all now. Basquiat wanted to become famous, was his goal. (this is a small observation of the differences between rae and basquiat but you could write for hours). Only a vision, very, very superficial of the things can combine the art of Basquiat to that of Rae. Never worlds were more distant.

I've seen both of their work in person if that's what you're asking. I don't own either.

As for as the similarities between their styles, it goes far beyond being childlike and primitive. RAE uses similar color palettes in most of his work, he uses similar compositions, he paints similar subject matter, and most importantly, he draws his figures in an almost identical style.

There are nearly limitless ways you could draw a human figure primitively. It defies logic and reason to think that it's merely coincidence RAE draws his figures in a nearly identical way. Especially when you consider Basquiat was a world-renowned artist in RAE's hometown. 

As for the difference between RAE and Basquiat, the differences in their lifestyles is irrelevant. It's Basquiat's artistic style that RAE has borrowed, not his lifestyle.

I'm not saying that Rae is better than basquiat, obvious that he is still a young artist who will grow and who is developing his own style. (we want to give him a few years of time, or claim that do millions of euro after 5 years?) Basquiat and rae are totally different, surely he will be inspired to basquiat, as well as basquiat was inspired by Dubuffet and Cy Twombly. I hope you know what I'm talking about;)

PS The lifestyle is very important and significant in order to understand the work of an artist. 

[randomname]

Oct 3, 2014 16:59:08 GMT 1 italianstallion said:

Oct 3, 2014 16:35:15 GMT 1 randomname said:

I've seen both of their work in person if that's what you're asking. I don't own either.

As for as the similarities between their styles, it goes far beyond being childlike and primitive. RAE uses similar color palettes in most of his work, he uses similar compositions, he paints similar subject matter, and most importantly, he draws his figures in an almost identical style.

There are nearly limitless ways you could draw a human figure primitively. It defies logic and reason to think that it's merely coincidence RAE draws his figures in a nearly identical way. Especially when you consider Basquiat was a world-renowned artist in RAE's hometown. 

As for the difference between RAE and Basquiat, the differences in their lifestyles is irrelevant. It's Basquiat's artistic style that RAE has borrowed, not his lifestyle.

I'm not saying that Rae is better than basquiat, obvious that he is still a young artist who will grow and who is developing his own style. (we want to give him a few years of time, or claim that do millions of euro after 5 years?) Basquiat and rae are totally different, surely he will be inspired to basquiat, as well as basquiat was inspired by Dubuffet and Cy Twombly. I hope you know what I'm talking about;)

PS The lifestyle is very important and significant in order to understand the work of an artist. 

The lifestyle is important to understanding an artist's work. But I think you see other artists' lives reflected more in RAE's work than his own. Maybe he will develop a more unique style. I hope he does. But for now that lack of originality is limiting the market for his work in my opinion. I don't think it's for any lack of exposure. 

[stvro22]

Oct 3, 2014 16:53:30 GMT 1 randomname said:

Oct 3, 2014 16:42:49 GMT 1 stvro22 said:

Where are you getting your facts? A simple google search will reveal Basquait could sell anything his first 3 years of painting. He was considered to have a poor graffiti hand-style in the scene and only after the stock market started to boom in the 80's and he met Warhol did his career start to take off. 


I'm open to having an educated debate as you keep claiming to do, but you haven't done your homework. 

From the New York Times. 

While still in his early 20's, his work was shown at leading SoHo galleries, including the Annina Nosei Gallery and the Mary Boone Gallery, and his work was exhibited in galleries from SoHo to Paris, Tokyo and Dusseldorf. His paintings sold for $25,000 to $50,000, Mr. Baghoomian said.

www.nytimes.com/books/98/08/09/specials/basquiat-obit.html

Also from the Ny Times:

www.nytimes.com/books/first/h/hoban-basquiat.html

But what radically changed the art world by the time Basquiat entered the scene was money. In the early 1980s, Wall Street's bull market engendered an interesting offspring: SoHo's bull market. The new money of the eighties was increasingly invested into art. By 1983, the art market in New York alone, was estimated at $2 billion. Gallery dealers became power players, barely distinguishable in lingo and lifestyle from their Wall Street clientele. Banks began accepting art as collateral for loans. Corporations began stockpiling important contemporary-art collections. Every weekend, SoHo was clogged with a parade of art lovers slumming at openings. At auction houses, packed rooms applauded as records were set for everything from van Gogh's "Irises"--$53.9 million--to $17 million for "False Start" by Jasper Johns.

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Oct 3, 2014 17:11:32 GMT 1 stvro22 said:

Oct 3, 2014 16:53:30 GMT 1 randomname said:

From the New York Times. 

While still in his early 20's, his work was shown at leading SoHo galleries, including the Annina Nosei Gallery and the Mary Boone Gallery, and his work was exhibited in galleries from SoHo to Paris, Tokyo and Dusseldorf. His paintings sold for $25,000 to $50,000, Mr. Baghoomian said.

www.nytimes.com/books/98/08/09/specials/basquiat-obit.html

Also from the Ny Times:

www.nytimes.com/books/first/h/hoban-basquiat.html

But what radically changed the art world by the time Basquiat entered the scene was money. In the early 1980s, Wall Street's bull market engendered an interesting offspring: SoHo's bull market. The new money of the eighties was increasingly invested into art. By 1983, the art market in New York alone, was estimated at $2 billion. Gallery dealers became power players, barely distinguishable in lingo and lifestyle from their Wall Street clientele. Banks began accepting art as collateral for loans. Corporations began stockpiling important contemporary-art collections. Every weekend, SoHo was clogged with a parade of art lovers slumming at openings. At auction houses, packed rooms applauded as records were set for everything from van Gogh's "Irises"--$53.9 million--to $17 million for "False Start" by Jasper Johns.

So? You claimed he was selling work for $100. In reality, he was selling paintings for $25,000-$50,000 in his early 20s. There's no lack of money in the art world today to suppress the value of RAE's work. The exact opposite is true.