South Bound
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by South Bound on Sept 26, 2014 14:00:06 GMT 1, I disagree. Rae works a lot on the originals, and not on the prints, and this is a merit that will give value in the long term not the short. There are highly regarded artists who sell prints (not hand painted) with a print run at 100 to 200 and sell it in 5 minutes, but it is easier to sell 200 prints at a low price that four original works. if you want to grow as artists is right to do as RAE. Prints in the long run (between 10-20 years) will be worth less and less, work oroginali definitely more. (if the artist is good). The only thing he should do to increase the demands on original pieces is a few shows in a gallery frequented by different people, even contemporary art galleries. my two cents. P.S. the original work (I think it was 15) of the Ferengi fresh show were sold all in less than a day. I repeat 15 original works in a day. I do not know how many artists would be able to sell 15 original works in a day.ย I also think that the Ferengi fresh was the highest peak touched by rae in his work!
Good point, I don't necessarily agree. The value of an original vs prints (prints not associated with originals) do not always have a correlation. Every situation (based on the artists catalog) varies.
In some cases the values of small run prints (again of a unique image not associated with an existing piece) have shot through the roof whereas a single image (or original) from same artist has not really grown by nearly the same rate.
So many factors revolve around the value
I disagree. Rae works a lot on the originals, and not on the prints, and this is a merit that will give value in the long term not the short. There are highly regarded artists who sell prints (not hand painted) with a print run at 100 to 200 and sell it in 5 minutes, but it is easier to sell 200 prints at a low price that four original works. if you want to grow as artists is right to do as RAE. Prints in the long run (between 10-20 years) will be worth less and less, work oroginali definitely more. (if the artist is good). The only thing he should do to increase the demands on original pieces is a few shows in a gallery frequented by different people, even contemporary art galleries. my two cents. P.S. the original work (I think it was 15) of the Ferengi fresh show were sold all in less than a day. I repeat 15 original works in a day. I do not know how many artists would be able to sell 15 original works in a day.ย I also think that the Ferengi fresh was the highest peak touched by rae in his work! Good point, I don't necessarily agree. The value of an original vs prints (prints not associated with originals) do not always have a correlation. Every situation (based on the artists catalog) varies. In some cases the values of small run prints (again of a unique image not associated with an existing piece) have shot through the roof whereas a single image (or original) from same artist has not really grown by nearly the same rate. So many factors revolve around the value
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by italianstallion on Sept 26, 2014 16:31:37 GMT 1, I disagree. Rae works a lot on the originals, and not on the prints, and this is a merit that will give value in the long term not the short. There are highly regarded artists who sell prints (not hand painted) with a print run at 100 to 200 and sell it in 5 minutes, but it is easier to sell 200 prints at a low price that four original works. if you want to grow as artists is right to do as RAE. Prints in the long run (between 10-20 years) will be worth less and less, work oroginali definitely more. (if the artist is good). The only thing he should do to increase the demands on original pieces is a few shows in a gallery frequented by different people, even contemporary art galleries. my two cents. P.S. the original work (I think it was 15) of the Ferengi fresh show were sold all in less than a day. I repeat 15 original works in a day. I do not know how many artists would be able to sell 15 original works in a day. I also think that the Ferengi fresh was the highest peak touched by rae in his work! Good point, I don't necessarily agree. The value of an original vs prints (prints not associated with originals) do not always have a correlation. Every situation (based on the artists catalog) varies. In some cases the values of small run prints (again of a unique image not associated with an existing piece) have shot through the roof whereas a single image (or original) from same artist has not really grown by nearly the same rate. So many factors revolve around the value Certainly there are many factors that determine the price and the value of a work, but there are also some dogmas that can be applied to the general concept, namely measures of the work, support, date, publications, exhibitions .. .etc etc etc ... and in all this, prints and multiples in the general work of an artist, covering the least important part of their work (usually).
I disagree. Rae works a lot on the originals, and not on the prints, and this is a merit that will give value in the long term not the short. There are highly regarded artists who sell prints (not hand painted) with a print run at 100 to 200 and sell it in 5 minutes, but it is easier to sell 200 prints at a low price that four original works. if you want to grow as artists is right to do as RAE. Prints in the long run (between 10-20 years) will be worth less and less, work oroginali definitely more. (if the artist is good). The only thing he should do to increase the demands on original pieces is a few shows in a gallery frequented by different people, even contemporary art galleries. my two cents. P.S. the original work (I think it was 15) of the Ferengi fresh show were sold all in less than a day. I repeat 15 original works in a day. I do not know how many artists would be able to sell 15 original works in a day. I also think that the Ferengi fresh was the highest peak touched by rae in his work! Good point, I don't necessarily agree. The value of an original vs prints (prints not associated with originals) do not always have a correlation. Every situation (based on the artists catalog) varies. In some cases the values of small run prints (again of a unique image not associated with an existing piece) have shot through the roof whereas a single image (or original) from same artist has not really grown by nearly the same rate. So many factors revolve around the value Certainly there are many factors that determine the price and the value of a work, but there are also some dogmas that can be applied to the general concept, namely measures of the work, support, date, publications, exhibitions .. .etc etc etc ... and in all this, prints and multiples in the general work of an artist, covering the least important part of their work (usually).
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randomname
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by randomname on Sept 26, 2014 17:20:01 GMT 1, Just my opinion, but I think the reason there's so much less demand for his originals than his prints is the lack of originality. It's easy to overlook the Basquiat connection when you're paying a couple hundred dollars for a print. But when you're spending more than $1,000 on a piece of art, you probably want something less derivative.
Just my opinion, but I think the reason there's so much less demand for his originals than his prints is the lack of originality. It's easy to overlook the Basquiat connection when you're paying a couple hundred dollars for a print. But when you're spending more than $1,000 on a piece of art, you probably want something less derivative.
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by italianstallion on Sept 26, 2014 18:31:28 GMT 1, Just my opinion, but I think the reason there's so much less demand for his originals than his prints is the lack of originality. It's easy to overlook the Basquiat connection when you're paying a couple hundred dollars for a print. But when you're spending more than $1,000 on a piece of art, you probably want something less derivative.
The same thing is valid for all the stencil artists post blek le rar???
Just my opinion, but I think the reason there's so much less demand for his originals than his prints is the lack of originality. It's easy to overlook the Basquiat connection when you're paying a couple hundred dollars for a print. But when you're spending more than $1,000 on a piece of art, you probably want something less derivative. The same thing is valid for all the stencil artists post blek le rar???
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stvro22
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by stvro22 on Sept 26, 2014 18:49:24 GMT 1, Just my opinion, but I think the reason there's so much less demand for his originals than his prints is the lack of originality. It's easy to overlook the Basquiat connection when you're paying a couple hundred dollars for a print. But when you're spending more than $1,000 on a piece of art, you probably want something less derivative.
His Africa show had about 12 originals and all sold in days so not sure what you mean there. This is a new site and maybe hasn't had the eyes yet.
Plus I still don't get this exact Basquiat comparison either. I see elements with a loose approach but if you put a RAE work next to Basquiat they are vastly different in styles.
Who cares really. Buy what you like.
Just my opinion, but I think the reason there's so much less demand for his originals than his prints is the lack of originality. It's easy to overlook the Basquiat connection when you're paying a couple hundred dollars for a print. But when you're spending more than $1,000 on a piece of art, you probably want something less derivative. His Africa show had about 12 originals and all sold in days so not sure what you mean there. This is a new site and maybe hasn't had the eyes yet. Plus I still don't get this exact Basquiat comparison either. I see elements with a loose approach but if you put a RAE work next to Basquiat they are vastly different in styles. Who cares really. Buy what you like.
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by pedend on Sept 26, 2014 19:38:47 GMT 1, 2/4 sold...
2/4 sold...
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randomname
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by randomname on Sept 26, 2014 21:13:24 GMT 1, Just my opinion, but I think the reason there's so much less demand for his originals than his prints is the lack of originality. It's easy to overlook the Basquiat connection when you're paying a couple hundred dollars for a print. But when you're spending more than $1,000 on a piece of art, you probably want something less derivative. His Africa show had about 12 originals and all sold in days so not sure what you mean there. This is a new site and maybe hasn't had the eyes yet. Plus I still don't get this exact Basquiat comparison either. I see elements with a loose approach but if you put a RAE work next to Basquiat they are vastly different in styles. Who cares really. Buy what you like. Your definition of vastly different is vastly different from mine.
Just my opinion, but I think the reason there's so much less demand for his originals than his prints is the lack of originality. It's easy to overlook the Basquiat connection when you're paying a couple hundred dollars for a print. But when you're spending more than $1,000 on a piece of art, you probably want something less derivative. His Africa show had about 12 originals and all sold in days so not sure what you mean there. This is a new site and maybe hasn't had the eyes yet. Plus I still don't get this exact Basquiat comparison either. I see elements with a loose approach but if you put a RAE work next to Basquiat they are vastly different in styles. Who cares really. Buy what you like. Your definition of vastly different is vastly different from mine.
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samfrost
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by samfrost on Sept 26, 2014 21:54:25 GMT 1, FINALLY! We are having some actual art discussion and constructive criticism.
FINALLY! We are having some actual art discussion and constructive criticism.
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 22:09:56 GMT 1, I find his work cuckoo, mad, makes me keep looking at it, trying to understand, then i wonder if there is anything about it that is to understand.
Its one of these things i'll grow out of possibly, when i am around 60
i like it
I find his work cuckoo, mad, makes me keep looking at it, trying to understand, then i wonder if there is anything about it that is to understand.
Its one of these things i'll grow out of possibly, when i am around 60
i like it
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 22:28:37 GMT 1, I find his work cuckoo, mad, makes me keep looking at it, trying to understand, then i wonder if there is anything about it that is to understand. Its one of these things i'll grow out of possibly, when i am around 60 i like it Yup, my advice is grow out of it around 60 then back in on it around 64, piss around for a couple of years then hone in again at 66 / 67, stay focused until 72 / 73 then just have a laugh knowing the ends in sight, realise at 76 then ends a bit nearer and start saying whatever the fk you want to any old fkr, 77 comes too quick so bit of a shock but you can walk down the lane with your underpants on your head singing 1920s Jazz or Blues torch songs and not an eyelid will be batted, after that its all about waking up and giggles.
Kokian.
I find his work cuckoo, mad, makes me keep looking at it, trying to understand, then i wonder if there is anything about it that is to understand. Its one of these things i'll grow out of possibly, when i am around 60 i like it Yup, my advice is grow out of it around 60 then back in on it around 64, piss around for a couple of years then hone in again at 66 / 67, stay focused until 72 / 73 then just have a laugh knowing the ends in sight, realise at 76 then ends a bit nearer and start saying whatever the fk you want to any old fkr, 77 comes too quick so bit of a shock but you can walk down the lane with your underpants on your head singing 1920s Jazz or Blues torch songs and not an eyelid will be batted, after that its all about waking up and giggles. Kokian.
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by italianstallion on Sept 26, 2014 22:31:50 GMT 1, Sorry but comparate rae vs basquiat is a superficial vision. Both of them usa primitive influence in their style and then?? Anyone knows jean dubuffet? Antone knows enrico bay? Anyone kows Carlo Zinelli?
Sorry but comparate rae vs basquiat is a superficial vision. Both of them usa primitive influence in their style and then?? Anyone knows jean dubuffet? Antone knows enrico bay? Anyone kows Carlo Zinelli?
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petro
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by petro on Sept 26, 2014 22:38:56 GMT 1, His Africa show had about 12 originals and all sold in days so not sure what you mean there. This is a new site and maybe hasn't had the eyes yet. Plus I still don't get this exact Basquiat comparison either. I see elements with a loose approach but if you put a RAE work next to Basquiat they are vastly different in styles. Who cares really. Buy what you like. Your definition of vastly different is vastly different from mine. You don't know much about art, do you? You could do the exact same thing with Banksy and Blek Le Rat. You could do the same thing with Basquiat, Picasso, Matisse, and Cy Twombly. In fact, you could do that with just about ANY artist as most are influenced by the art around them.
His Africa show had about 12 originals and all sold in days so not sure what you mean there. This is a new site and maybe hasn't had the eyes yet. Plus I still don't get this exact Basquiat comparison either. I see elements with a loose approach but if you put a RAE work next to Basquiat they are vastly different in styles. Who cares really. Buy what you like. Your definition of vastly different is vastly different from mine. You don't know much about art, do you? You could do the exact same thing with Banksy and Blek Le Rat. You could do the same thing with Basquiat, Picasso, Matisse, and Cy Twombly. In fact, you could do that with just about ANY artist as most are influenced by the art around them.
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 22:45:53 GMT 1, I find his work cuckoo, mad, makes me keep looking at it, trying to understand, then i wonder if there is anything about it that is to understand. Its one of these things i'll grow out of possibly, when i am around 60 i like it Yup, my advice is grow out of it around 60 then back in on it around 64, piss around for a couple of years then hone in again at 66 / 67, stay focused until 72 / 73 then just have a laugh knowing the ends in sight, realise at 76 then ends a bit nearer and start saying whatever the fk you want to any old fkr, 77 comes too quick so bit of a shock but you can walk down the lane with your underpants on your head singing 1920s Jazz or Blues torch songs and not an eyelid will be batted, after that its all about waking up and giggles. Kokian. But what do i do with my flying geese wall plates? I shouldn't admit to it, but they are looking a little tacky now to me
Should I put them in storage for when i am in my 80's?
I find his work cuckoo, mad, makes me keep looking at it, trying to understand, then i wonder if there is anything about it that is to understand. Its one of these things i'll grow out of possibly, when i am around 60 i like it Yup, my advice is grow out of it around 60 then back in on it around 64, piss around for a couple of years then hone in again at 66 / 67, stay focused until 72 / 73 then just have a laugh knowing the ends in sight, realise at 76 then ends a bit nearer and start saying whatever the fk you want to any old fkr, 77 comes too quick so bit of a shock but you can walk down the lane with your underpants on your head singing 1920s Jazz or Blues torch songs and not an eyelid will be batted, after that its all about waking up and giggles. Kokian. But what do i do with my flying geese wall plates? I shouldn't admit to it, but they are looking a little tacky now to me Should I put them in storage for when i am in my 80's?
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randomname
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by randomname on Sept 26, 2014 23:03:02 GMT 1, You don't know much about art, do you? You could do the exact same thing with Banksy and Blek Le Rat. You could do the same thing with Basquiat, Picasso, Matisse, and Cy Twombly. In fact, you could do that with just about ANY artist as most are influenced by the art around them. I'm willing to bet I know a fair bit more about art than you do. Enough that I can support my opinions without resorting to childish insults.
Whether you choose to believe Rae is heavily influenced by Basquiat, or simply knocking off his style, the similarities are undeniable. The only significant difference is Basquiat had more diversity in his work. If you think you can show as strong of a connection between two artist's styles, you're welcome to do so.
You don't know much about art, do you? You could do the exact same thing with Banksy and Blek Le Rat. You could do the same thing with Basquiat, Picasso, Matisse, and Cy Twombly. In fact, you could do that with just about ANY artist as most are influenced by the art around them. I'm willing to bet I know a fair bit more about art than you do. Enough that I can support my opinions without resorting to childish insults. Whether you choose to believe Rae is heavily influenced by Basquiat, or simply knocking off his style, the similarities are undeniable. The only significant difference is Basquiat had more diversity in his work. If you think you can show as strong of a connection between two artist's styles, you're welcome to do so.
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petro
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by petro on Sept 26, 2014 23:23:41 GMT 1, You don't know much about art, do you? You could do the exact same thing with Banksy and Blek Le Rat. You could do the same thing with Basquiat, Picasso, Matisse, and Cy Twombly. In fact, you could do that with just about ANY artist as most are influenced by the art around them. I'm willing to bet I know a fair bit more about art than you do. Enough that I can support my opinions without resorting to childish insults. Whether you choose to believe Rae is heavily influenced by Basquiat, or simply knocking off his style, the similarities are undeniable. The only significant difference is Basquiat had more diversity in his work. If you think you can show as strong of a connection between two artist's styles, you're welcome to do so. With a degree in art, I stand by my statement that anyone who discounts an artist's work solely because it looks similar to another artists work, knows very little about art in general.
You don't know much about art, do you? You could do the exact same thing with Banksy and Blek Le Rat. You could do the same thing with Basquiat, Picasso, Matisse, and Cy Twombly. In fact, you could do that with just about ANY artist as most are influenced by the art around them. I'm willing to bet I know a fair bit more about art than you do. Enough that I can support my opinions without resorting to childish insults. Whether you choose to believe Rae is heavily influenced by Basquiat, or simply knocking off his style, the similarities are undeniable. The only significant difference is Basquiat had more diversity in his work. If you think you can show as strong of a connection between two artist's styles, you're welcome to do so. With a degree in art, I stand by my statement that anyone who discounts an artist's work solely because it looks similar to another artists work, knows very little about art in general.
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stvro22
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by stvro22 on Sept 26, 2014 23:29:12 GMT 1, You don't know much about art, do you? You could do the exact same thing with Banksy and Blek Le Rat.ย ย You could do the same thing with Basquiat, ย Picasso, Matisse, and Cy Twombly.ย In fact, you could do that with just about ANY artist as most are influenced by the art around them. I'm willing to bet I know a fair bit more about art than you do. Enough that I can support my opinions without resorting to childish insults. Whether you choose to believe Rae is heavily influenced byย Basquiat, or simply knocking off his style, the similarities are undeniable. The only significant difference is Basquiat had more diversity in his work.ย If you think you can show as strong of a connection between two artist's styles, you're welcome to do so.
It's such an easy fall back to look at someone having a childlike approach to painting and immediately say "Basquiat" because that's where your art history ends. If you can't look at them next to each other and see a clear distinction I don't know to tell you.
You don't know much about art, do you? You could do the exact same thing with Banksy and Blek Le Rat.ย ย You could do the same thing with Basquiat, ย Picasso, Matisse, and Cy Twombly.ย In fact, you could do that with just about ANY artist as most are influenced by the art around them. I'm willing to bet I know a fair bit more about art than you do. Enough that I can support my opinions without resorting to childish insults. Whether you choose to believe Rae is heavily influenced byย Basquiat, or simply knocking off his style, the similarities are undeniable. The only significant difference is Basquiat had more diversity in his work.ย If you think you can show as strong of a connection between two artist's styles, you're welcome to do so. It's such an easy fall back to look at someone having a childlike approach to painting and immediately say "Basquiat" because that's where your art history ends. If you can't look at them next to each other and see a clear distinction I don't know to tell you.
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by .dappy on Sept 27, 2014 1:03:13 GMT 1, RAE great gallery owner at Brooklynite, did some really great shows, with live internet TV streams - stayed up a few nights watching the preview/opening nights with great live DJ music / art / (funny) interviews. He enjoys art and he enjoys painting/sculptural form, esp with texture and sygnifying depth. I would suggest that even his line drawings on the pure black, uses black to illustrate depth/space/deep blackness
He had a close association with Bast, which I am surprised people have not compared RAE too, especially with some of Bast's (early) sculpture works. There was reference to this on one of the threads but canny find it ...
RAE great gallery owner at Brooklynite, did some really great shows, with live internet TV streams - stayed up a few nights watching the preview/opening nights with great live DJ music / art / (funny) interviews. He enjoys art and he enjoys painting/sculptural form, esp with texture and sygnifying depth. I would suggest that even his line drawings on the pure black, uses black to illustrate depth/space/deep blackness
He had a close association with Bast, which I am surprised people have not compared RAE too, especially with some of Bast's (early) sculpture works. There was reference to this on one of the threads but canny find it ...
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randomname
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by randomname on Sept 27, 2014 3:48:37 GMT 1, I'm willing to bet I know a fair bit more about art than you do. Enough that I can support my opinions without resorting to childish insults. Whether you choose to believe Rae is heavily influenced by Basquiat, or simply knocking off his style, the similarities are undeniable. The only significant difference is Basquiat had more diversity in his work. If you think you can show as strong of a connection between two artist's styles, you're welcome to do so. With a degree in art, I stand by my statement that anyone who discounts an artist's work solely because it looks similar to another artists work, knows very little about art in general. As a general rule, whenever someone has to grasp onto the old fallback of "I have a degree," whether real or imagined, it's because their argument is on very shaky ground. The fact is they're painting identical subject matter using the same techniques in a nearly identical style. Anyone who wants to argue that their styles are "vastly different," or anything other than derivative clearly knows nothing about art.
I'm willing to bet I know a fair bit more about art than you do. Enough that I can support my opinions without resorting to childish insults. Whether you choose to believe Rae is heavily influenced by Basquiat, or simply knocking off his style, the similarities are undeniable. The only significant difference is Basquiat had more diversity in his work. If you think you can show as strong of a connection between two artist's styles, you're welcome to do so. With a degree in art, I stand by my statement that anyone who discounts an artist's work solely because it looks similar to another artists work, knows very little about art in general. As a general rule, whenever someone has to grasp onto the old fallback of "I have a degree," whether real or imagined, it's because their argument is on very shaky ground. The fact is they're painting identical subject matter using the same techniques in a nearly identical style. Anyone who wants to argue that their styles are "vastly different," or anything other than derivative clearly knows nothing about art.
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by DREAMERS on Sept 27, 2014 6:57:13 GMT 1, Who in the urban art game is reinventing the wheel? Tell me one artist who you can say hasn't been influenced by another artist?? I'll wait patiently...
Who in the urban art game is reinventing the wheel? Tell me one artist who you can say hasn't been influenced by another artist?? I'll wait patiently...
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by Dr Plip on Sept 27, 2014 7:50:29 GMT 1, Who in the urban art game is reinventing the wheel? Tell me one artist who you can say hasn't been influenced by another artist?? I'll wait patiently... I've been thinking for the past 50 minutes. So far, I've got that mushroom guy. But someone else might have been doing mushrooms before him?
Who in the urban art game is reinventing the wheel? Tell me one artist who you can say hasn't been influenced by another artist?? I'll wait patiently... I've been thinking for the past 50 minutes. So far, I've got that mushroom guy. But someone else might have been doing mushrooms before him?
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by nrgball on Sept 27, 2014 10:15:31 GMT 1, You don't know much about art, do you? You could do the exact same thing with Banksy and Blek Le Rat.ย ย You could do the same thing with Basquiat, ย Picasso, Matisse, and Cy Twombly.ย In fact, you could do that with just about ANY artist as most are influenced by the art around them. I'm willing to bet I know a fair bit more about art than you do. Enough that I can support my opinions without resorting to childish insults. Whether you choose to believe Rae is heavily influenced byย Basquiat, or simply knocking off his style, the similarities are undeniable. The only significant difference is Basquiat had more diversity in his work.ย If you think you can show as strong of a connection between two artist's styles, you're welcome to do so.
I think very few artists in the street art world value progression and evolution of style as painters from the past do. I see much more formulaic and static styles. Folks who continue to be evolve either continuously within the body of their own work or by pushing the boundaries of art as a collective will have more of a chance of influencing art history in the long run.
Warhol set a formula with multiple images of pop art that was adapted by the likes Fairey and adapted slightly by Banksy with color-ways and VIP hand painted editions. The difference between an artist like Banksy and Whatson is that Banksy has been innovative in multiple facets of urban/Grafitti art and Whatson has merely followed that formula. I'm not saying Whatson doesn't have potential nor that he will follow his formula forever. But if he follows the same formula, folks will eventually lose interest.
Invader has failed to evolve much in my eyes. I thought his greatest achievement was rubiks cubism and he rarely plays with that style anymore. I like this print but I'm bored with his print work. I love coming across his work on the street much more.
The same statement can be said about the difference between POW & Grafitti Prints (though this is a slightly different topic). But in the long run, I see this formula holding artist back while it exploits their short term popularity.
You don't know much about art, do you? You could do the exact same thing with Banksy and Blek Le Rat.ย ย You could do the same thing with Basquiat, ย Picasso, Matisse, and Cy Twombly.ย In fact, you could do that with just about ANY artist as most are influenced by the art around them. I'm willing to bet I know a fair bit more about art than you do. Enough that I can support my opinions without resorting to childish insults. Whether you choose to believe Rae is heavily influenced byย Basquiat, or simply knocking off his style, the similarities are undeniable. The only significant difference is Basquiat had more diversity in his work.ย If you think you can show as strong of a connection between two artist's styles, you're welcome to do so. I think very few artists in the street art world value progression and evolution of style as painters from the past do. I see much more formulaic and static styles. Folks who continue to be evolve either continuously within the body of their own work or by pushing the boundaries of art as a collective will have more of a chance of influencing art history in the long run. Warhol set a formula with multiple images of pop art that was adapted by the likes Fairey and adapted slightly by Banksy with color-ways and VIP hand painted editions. The difference between an artist like Banksy and Whatson is that Banksy has been innovative in multiple facets of urban/Grafitti art and Whatson has merely followed that formula. I'm not saying Whatson doesn't have potential nor that he will follow his formula forever. But if he follows the same formula, folks will eventually lose interest. Invader has failed to evolve much in my eyes. I thought his greatest achievement was rubiks cubism and he rarely plays with that style anymore. I like this print but I'm bored with his print work. I love coming across his work on the street much more. The same statement can be said about the difference between POW & Grafitti Prints (though this is a slightly different topic). But in the long run, I see this formula holding artist back while it exploits their short term popularity.
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Dice
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by Dice on Sept 27, 2014 10:27:59 GMT 1, I'm willing to bet I know a fair bit more about art than you do. Enough that I can support my opinions without resorting to childish insults. Whether you choose to believe Rae is heavily influenced byย Basquiat, or simply knocking off his style, the similarities are undeniable. The only significant difference is Basquiat had more diversity in his work.ย If you think you can show as strong of a connection between two artist's styles, you're welcome to do so. With a degree in art, I stand by my statement that anyone who discounts an artist's work solely because it looks similar to another artists work, knows very little about art in general.
I showed an artist some pics from the new Adam neate show and her immediate reaction was 'he's just copying Francis bacon!' and that was it, she was no longer interested.
I was pretty annoyed, ok she has never been to a show and it's hard to tell from pictures but to immediately discount an artist from a few pics is pretty ridiculous.
I'm willing to bet I know a fair bit more about art than you do. Enough that I can support my opinions without resorting to childish insults. Whether you choose to believe Rae is heavily influenced byย Basquiat, or simply knocking off his style, the similarities are undeniable. The only significant difference is Basquiat had more diversity in his work.ย If you think you can show as strong of a connection between two artist's styles, you're welcome to do so. With a degree in art, I stand by my statement that anyone who discounts an artist's work solely because it looks similar to another artists work, knows very little about art in general. I showed an artist some pics from the new Adam neate show and her immediate reaction was 'he's just copying Francis bacon!' and that was it, she was no longer interested. I was pretty annoyed, ok she has never been to a show and it's hard to tell from pictures but to immediately discount an artist from a few pics is pretty ridiculous.
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by Street Art Fan on Sept 27, 2014 12:45:50 GMT 1, With a degree in art, I stand by my statement that anyone who discounts an artist's work solely because it looks similar to another artists work, knows very little about art in general. As a general rule, whenever someone has to grasp onto the old fallback of "I have a degree," whether real or imagined, it's because their argument is on very shaky ground. The fact is they're painting identical subject matter using the same techniques in a nearly identical style. Anyone who wants to argue that their styles are "vastly different," or anything other than derivative clearly knows nothing about art. With all due respect, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on Blek Le Rat and Banksy.
With a degree in art, I stand by my statement that anyone who discounts an artist's work solely because it looks similar to another artists work, knows very little about art in general. As a general rule, whenever someone has to grasp onto the old fallback of "I have a degree," whether real or imagined, it's because their argument is on very shaky ground. The fact is they're painting identical subject matter using the same techniques in a nearly identical style. Anyone who wants to argue that their styles are "vastly different," or anything other than derivative clearly knows nothing about art. With all due respect, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on Blek Le Rat and Banksy.
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randomname
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by randomname on Sept 27, 2014 15:39:42 GMT 1, As a general rule, whenever someone has to grasp onto the old fallback of "I have a degree," whether real or imagined, it's because their argument is on very shaky ground. The fact is they're painting identical subject matter using the same techniques in a nearly identical style. Anyone who wants to argue that their styles are "vastly different," or anything other than derivative clearly knows nothing about art. With all due respect, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on Blek Le Rat and Banksy. That's a perfectly valid question. It's not very difficult to draw a distinction between Banksy and Blek. Just look at their similarities and differences.
Their similarities are that they both use stencils and they're both known for painting rats. That's the heart of every argument claiming Banksy stole from Blek.
Now look at their differences. Blek early work (pre-Banksy) consisted primarily of simple silhouettes. Banksy used more multi-layered stencils and often uses color in his work. And while Blek painted realistic looking silhouettes of rats, Banksy painted cartoonish rats.
If you look at the timeline of Blek's work on his site, you'll see that his style and subject matter actually changes to be more like Banksy's after Banksy became active.
The greatest difference, however, is the social commentary in their work. Or in Blek's case, the lack thereof. Banksy's style was a means to an end - the get his message up quickly without getting arrested. Blek's style was the means and the end. What made his work interesting was the novelty of seeing life-sized people and objects stenciled onto the streets.
Now when you compare Rae to Basquiat, the similarities are many and the differences are very few. They have nearly identical styles, with identical subject matter. I've seen people try to claim the similarities are superficial in that they both are drawing crude representations of humans, but there are an infinite number of ways to crudely draw humans. Rae has chosen to draw them almost exactly the same as Basquiat.
There are also similarities in their composition, use of positive and negative space and use of color. The only significant difference I see when looking at their work is that Basquiat's work was more varied. Now if someone can come up with a better list of differences, I'd be happy to hear it.
As a general rule, whenever someone has to grasp onto the old fallback of "I have a degree," whether real or imagined, it's because their argument is on very shaky ground. The fact is they're painting identical subject matter using the same techniques in a nearly identical style. Anyone who wants to argue that their styles are "vastly different," or anything other than derivative clearly knows nothing about art. With all due respect, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on Blek Le Rat and Banksy. That's a perfectly valid question. It's not very difficult to draw a distinction between Banksy and Blek. Just look at their similarities and differences. Their similarities are that they both use stencils and they're both known for painting rats. That's the heart of every argument claiming Banksy stole from Blek. Now look at their differences. Blek early work (pre-Banksy) consisted primarily of simple silhouettes. Banksy used more multi-layered stencils and often uses color in his work. And while Blek painted realistic looking silhouettes of rats, Banksy painted cartoonish rats. If you look at the timeline of Blek's work on his site, you'll see that his style and subject matter actually changes to be more like Banksy's after Banksy became active. The greatest difference, however, is the social commentary in their work. Or in Blek's case, the lack thereof. Banksy's style was a means to an end - the get his message up quickly without getting arrested. Blek's style was the means and the end. What made his work interesting was the novelty of seeing life-sized people and objects stenciled onto the streets. Now when you compare Rae to Basquiat, the similarities are many and the differences are very few. They have nearly identical styles, with identical subject matter. I've seen people try to claim the similarities are superficial in that they both are drawing crude representations of humans, but there are an infinite number of ways to crudely draw humans. Rae has chosen to draw them almost exactly the same as Basquiat. There are also similarities in their composition, use of positive and negative space and use of color. The only significant difference I see when looking at their work is that Basquiat's work was more varied. Now if someone can come up with a better list of differences, I'd be happy to hear it.
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stvro22
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by stvro22 on Sept 27, 2014 16:30:53 GMT 1, You obviously have not seen the diversity of RAE's work inside and out. His Signal Gallery show, NYC bodega show, Africa work, murals and sculptures continue to evolve. I see a lot of meaning and true talent in his work. To use a few paintings to define any artist is a mistake. I don't have the time nor energy, nor desire to convince you otherwise.
You obviously have not seen the diversity of RAE's work inside and out. His Signal Gallery show, NYC bodega show, Africa work, murals and sculptures continue to evolve. I see a lot of meaning and true talent in his work. To use a few paintings to define any artist is a mistake. I don't have the time nor energy, nor desire to convince you otherwise.
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petro
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by petro on Sept 27, 2014 19:12:53 GMT 1, With a degree in art, I stand by my statement that anyone who discounts an artist's work solely because it looks similar to another artists work, knows very little about art in general. As a general rule, whenever someone has to grasp onto the old fallback of "I have a degree," whether real or imagined, it's because their argument is on very shaky ground. The fact is they're painting identical subject matter using the same techniques in a nearly identical style. Anyone who wants to argue that their styles are "vastly different," or anything other than derivative clearly knows nothing about art. My argument is not on "very shaky ground." You just don't know what you're talking about. Do yourself a favor and go to a museum. There are entire movements based around various artistic styles and methods of applying paint to canvas. Artists absolutely do not have any obligation to create work that is "vastly different" in order to make a meaningful contribution. Are you saying that there is no room for both Paul Signac and Georges Seurat? Which artist do we discount? Which paintings go in the garbage? Which of the impressionist artists are original in your mind and which are rip-offs? One could certainly argue they are all "derivative."
RAE's work obviously stands on it's own. There is room in the art world for both RAE and Basquiat. Just as there is room for Metzinger and Picasso. And just as there is room for Bansky and Blek Le Rat.
With a degree in art, I stand by my statement that anyone who discounts an artist's work solely because it looks similar to another artists work, knows very little about art in general. As a general rule, whenever someone has to grasp onto the old fallback of "I have a degree," whether real or imagined, it's because their argument is on very shaky ground. The fact is they're painting identical subject matter using the same techniques in a nearly identical style. Anyone who wants to argue that their styles are "vastly different," or anything other than derivative clearly knows nothing about art. My argument is not on "very shaky ground." You just don't know what you're talking about. Do yourself a favor and go to a museum. There are entire movements based around various artistic styles and methods of applying paint to canvas. Artists absolutely do not have any obligation to create work that is "vastly different" in order to make a meaningful contribution. Are you saying that there is no room for both Paul Signac and Georges Seurat? Which artist do we discount? Which paintings go in the garbage? Which of the impressionist artists are original in your mind and which are rip-offs? One could certainly argue they are all "derivative." RAE's work obviously stands on it's own. There is room in the art world for both RAE and Basquiat. Just as there is room for Metzinger and Picasso. And just as there is room for Bansky and Blek Le Rat.
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by samfrost on Sept 27, 2014 19:55:14 GMT 1, A++++ analysis by randomname.
Phew, the RAE trolls are out! Do not feed the RAE trolls...
A++++ analysis by randomname. Phew, the RAE trolls are out! Do not feed the RAE trolls...
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stvro22
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by stvro22 on Sept 27, 2014 20:01:54 GMT 1, As a general rule, whenever someone has to grasp onto the old fallback of "I have a degree," whether real or imagined, it's because their argument is on very shaky ground. The fact is they're painting identical subject matter using the same techniques in a nearly identical style. Anyone who wants to argue that their styles are "vastly different," or anything other than derivative clearly knows nothing about art.ย My argument is not onย "very shaky ground." You just don't know what you're talking about.ย Do yourself a favor and go to a museum. There are entire movements based around various artistic styles and methods of applying paint to canvas. Artists absolutely do not have any obligation to create work that is "vastly different" in order to make a meaningful contribution. Are you saying that there is no room for bothย Paul Signac andย Georges Seurat? Which artist do we discount? Which paintings go in the garbage? Which of the impressionist artists are original in your mind and which are rip-offs? One could certainly argue they are all "derivative." RAE's work obviously stands on it's own. There is room in the art world for both RAE and Basquiat. Just as there is room forย Metzinger and Picasso. And just as there is room for Bansky and Blek Le Rat.
Brilliant points Petro. Nothing else to add.
As a general rule, whenever someone has to grasp onto the old fallback of "I have a degree," whether real or imagined, it's because their argument is on very shaky ground. The fact is they're painting identical subject matter using the same techniques in a nearly identical style. Anyone who wants to argue that their styles are "vastly different," or anything other than derivative clearly knows nothing about art.ย My argument is not onย "very shaky ground." You just don't know what you're talking about.ย Do yourself a favor and go to a museum. There are entire movements based around various artistic styles and methods of applying paint to canvas. Artists absolutely do not have any obligation to create work that is "vastly different" in order to make a meaningful contribution. Are you saying that there is no room for bothย Paul Signac andย Georges Seurat? Which artist do we discount? Which paintings go in the garbage? Which of the impressionist artists are original in your mind and which are rip-offs? One could certainly argue they are all "derivative." RAE's work obviously stands on it's own. There is room in the art world for both RAE and Basquiat. Just as there is room forย Metzinger and Picasso. And just as there is room for Bansky and Blek Le Rat. Brilliant points Petro. Nothing else to add.
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by italianstallion on Sept 27, 2014 20:31:32 GMT 1, Oh my god...but anyone know the story, the poetic and the life of basquiat?? I think no. It's impossible to compare rae with basquiat. Only becouse their paints recall the primitive style??? Bah anyway the fact that rae is compared to basquiat i think is a great thing for rae.
Oh my god...but anyone know the story, the poetic and the life of basquiat?? I think no. It's impossible to compare rae with basquiat. Only becouse their paints recall the primitive style??? Bah anyway the fact that rae is compared to basquiat i think is a great thing for rae.
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Hairbland
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New RAE Pieces go now..., by Hairbland on Sept 28, 2014 2:18:12 GMT 1, I find his work cuckoo, mad, makes me keep looking at it, trying to understand, then i wonder if there is anything about it that is to understand. Its one of these things i'll grow out of possibly, when i am around 60 i like it Yup, my advice is grow out of it around 60 then back in on it around 64, piss around for a couple of years then hone in again at 66 / 67, stay focused until 72 / 73 then just have a laugh knowing the ends in sight, realise at 76 then ends a bit nearer and start saying whatever the fk you want to any old fkr, 77 comes too quick so bit of a shock but you can walk down the lane with your underpants on your head singing 1920s Jazz or Blues torch songs and not an eyelid will be batted, after that its all about waking up and giggles. Kokian. Maybe not 1920's Jazz or Blues at this point but Pretty Vacant could work after all it's 35+ years old. And it allows for snarling in strangers' faces.
I find his work cuckoo, mad, makes me keep looking at it, trying to understand, then i wonder if there is anything about it that is to understand. Its one of these things i'll grow out of possibly, when i am around 60 i like it Yup, my advice is grow out of it around 60 then back in on it around 64, piss around for a couple of years then hone in again at 66 / 67, stay focused until 72 / 73 then just have a laugh knowing the ends in sight, realise at 76 then ends a bit nearer and start saying whatever the fk you want to any old fkr, 77 comes too quick so bit of a shock but you can walk down the lane with your underpants on your head singing 1920s Jazz or Blues torch songs and not an eyelid will be batted, after that its all about waking up and giggles. Kokian. Maybe not 1920's Jazz or Blues at this point but Pretty Vacant could work after all it's 35+ years old. And it allows for snarling in strangers' faces.
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