[yoyosh]

What a sh*t show! I apologize to all members who asked for help I was only able to get 1 print per artist for myself.
That being said these suckers are super high quality. Very happy I was able to get what I was after.
Was so exhausted after the process of buying prints I'm going back to see the actual show tomorrow and Saturday.

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Jul 31, 2014 23:08:44 GMT 1 yoyosh said:

What a sh*t show! I apologize to all members who asked for help I was only able to get 1 print per artist for myself.
That being said these suckers are super high quality. Very happy I was able to get what I was after.
Was so exhausted after the process of buying prints I'm going back to see the actual show tomorrow and Saturday.

Congrats! Pics when you're settled down, please

(esp. the d*face; would love to see the detail)

And I'm assuming the Invader/Retna/D*Face/Faile are now sold out?

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Ugh I just bought a print on eBay from a flipper, god help me.

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There's a RETNA for $500 buy it now on ebay, for that guy who said he'd pay double

EDIT: this guy has every print for $500 buy it now, if you're feeling flippy.


www.ebay.com/sch/jacksonheights/m.html?item=291205749481&hash=item43cd371ae9&pt=Art_Prints&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

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Oh dude that sucks I just paid 700

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Jul 31, 2014 23:40:22 GMT 1 @streetfart said:

Oh dude that sucks I just paid 700

noooooooooooooooooo 

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Jul 31, 2014 23:41:17 GMT 1 coller said:

Jul 31, 2014 23:40:22 GMT 1 @streetfart said:

Oh dude that sucks I just paid 700

noooooooooooooooooo 

Haha no worries. That was a great price. My bad for trying to be quick.

I was thinking about that invader at the same price but I really don't want a cigarette pack, I don't get the humor.

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Jul 31, 2014 23:46:31 GMT 1 @streetfart said:

Jul 31, 2014 23:41:17 GMT 1 coller said:

noooooooooooooooooo 

Haha no worries. That was a great price. My bad for trying to be quick.

I was thinking about that invader at the same price but I really don't want a cigarette pack, I don't get the humor.

Yeah, even if it is humor it still gets to a point where it's a cigarette pack on your wall - that can only have a certain lifespan.

Then again, I imagine that D*face may start terrifying me after a certain period of time. We'll see.

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Aaand the RETNA is gone

[freezy]

Yup...
That was me.
500 bucks for a signed retna...
Had to do it.
Thanks for the heads up.

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Yeah, not trying to encourage this ebay business but at the same time I imagine some might be interested in snagging those ones (mainly posted it for streetkart but was too late)

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Aug 1, 2014 0:01:52 GMT 1 freezy said:

Yup...
That was me.
500 bucks for a signed retna...
Had to do it.
Thanks for the heads up.

I'm mad at myself but happy for you.

Yes DS great heads up. I was surprised it hung around as long as it did. I missed it as the lower priced ones I looked at quickly were both auctions. Yeah at $500 that's unsigned Braddock territory.

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Aug 1, 2014 0:04:56 GMT 1 @streetfart said:

Aug 1, 2014 0:01:52 GMT 1 freezy said:

Yup...
That was me.
500 bucks for a signed retna...
Had to do it.
Thanks for the heads up.

I'm mad at myself but happy for you.

Yes DS great heads up. I was surprised it hung around as long as it did. I missed it as the lower priced ones I looked at quickly were both auctions. Yeah at $500 that's unsigned Braddock territory.

This guy seems to have two of each, as he is re-listing some of the prints. I imagine another signed RETNA will be up soon at the same price.

[embase]

Hope you're right. Missed the last one by mere seconds. Congrats freezy!

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Aug 1, 2014 0:13:30 GMT 1 embase said:

Hope you're right. Missed the last one by mere seconds. Congrats freezy!

I think I am, unless it was already sold before I even caught onto the guy's listings 

[lvanhoe]

Would you veteran collectors make a distinction between flippers that get prints online, and flippers that get prints at shows? I'm trying to form an opinion but I can't shake the feeling that making a quick buck online is way worse than when you've been standing in a line for hours.

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Aug 1, 2014 0:42:41 GMT 1 lvanhoe said:

Would you veteran collectors make a distinction between flippers that get prints online, and flippers that get prints at shows? I'm trying to form an opinion but I can't shake the feeling that making a quick buck online is way worse than when you've been standing in a line for hours.

Don't think there's a big distinction - you're buying with no intention of keeping for more time than you need to sell. Waiting on a line amounts to maybe $50-60 work, which most on here would be happy to pay to someone for a PB if necessary.

[lvanhoe]

Yeah I understand, I'm just trying to see where I am with this, morally. I could obviously see why someone would try to make money but I can also see why it's pretty sad to do this with art.

[maddoghoek100]

there is no moral issue at work here.  There is nothing immoral about buying something to resell it, but it is certainly tacky.  Vote with your pocketbook and dont buy from resellers and just move on to the next release.  If you still want it in 6 or 8 months revisit buying it or trading for it with the hot release you did score.  Usually the re-sellers have raced to the bottom by that point

all the concerns about fairness that pop up on hot releases are bunk.  life is not fair.  If you live in NYC, LA, or London you have better access to hot releases, thats just how it is.  Give chicago their once in a blue moon and let them run with it.

Aug 1, 2014 0:52:41 GMT 1 lvanhoe said:

Yeah I understand, I'm just trying to see where I am with this, morally. I could obviously see why someone would try to make money but I can also see why it's pretty sad to do this with art.

[cafebrazil]

Very good point on flipping and the concentration of print sales in big metropolitan cities. I think standing in line flipping is a lot more work than buying online and flipping, so in some sense the buyer pays for the flipper's time invested. Also in-person purchases are not available to buyers far away so flippers selling at what I consider fair prices, like jacksonheights on Ebay, are actually providing the service that many collectors are asking for anyway. I'm in Japan, so if Obey sold me the Endless Power print at retail they would charge me $300+$166 shipping=$466 to Japan. Jacksonheights is charging me $500 + $40 shipping=$540, a nominal mark-up!

Also consider the phenomena of 'gateway' prints. Artists like Shepard Fairey and Murakami typically release their prints at below market value. As a result, a newbie with little money and good information can buy a few prints at below market and sell a few in order to afford to build the collection. So lets say there is a college student with $1200 of rent/food money in Chicago. S/he can go to Art Alliance to buy 4 prints (say Retna, Dface, Invader, Fairey) for $1200 and sell two (say Dface and Fairey) for $1000-$1200 thus being able to collect her/his long desired first Invader and Retna prints while being able to afford to keep them. The artists selling at below market increase the number of collectors. I myself would have never been able to afford to collect anything without gateway prints.

Finally, while there is a distinction between a quick flip, and buying a print for $300 now then selling it for $600 one year later (more likely to be a collector in the second case)--I'm not sure that one who flips for a profit even many years later can necessarily claim the high ground in relation to short term flippers. The late sellers still benefit from the gateway print phenomena but in a slightly different way. For instance, those fortunate/prescient enough to have collected Banksy early on benefited in a big way. No one will be upset if someone flips a Banksy bought for £500 for its current market value. If there is some sort of moral imperative to keep the art accessible, then we would flip our stuff for less than market value, even when we could clearly make a lot more. (There are those who flip at cost, God bless them, but I have yet to see anyone flip something at less than half the market value.)

We all want bargains to add to our collection, and live in the hope to add to the collective value of our holdings. Admittedly, while the buy+quick flip cycle may be sometimes annoying, I don't mind at all if collectors do it. I just can't stand it when dealers do it as some of the dealers have insider access they can exploit that the average collector cannot. Again, I know there is some cognitive dissonance here, but I am all for the underdog who can build a collection out of a couple of thousand dollars, since there may be no other way for that person to accumulate art.

[cafebrazil]

I've created a new thread debating the merits of 'flipping'.

'Gateway' art and the relative morality of flipping

Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/119439/gateway-art-relative-morality-flipping#ixzz396cii85j

[chaserawr]

It this expressobeans for the banksyforum? This type of chat puts me to sleep, can't we talk about more productive things than flipping 200$ prints?

The POSE pieces looks good.

[Ottomatik]

Aug 1, 2014 5:36:36 GMT 1 chaserawr said:

The POSE pieces looks good.

I agree!

[iamthetoe]

cafebrazil Eloquently put.  While I agree it's upsetting there are those out there who shamelessly and often sloppily flip art for the hustle, those who plan to stick around this art collecting niche for the long haul can usually sniff those bad seeds out and choose to avoid their product.  I think the art community has policed itself in that manner.  Those that choose to pay outlandish prices probably deserve to be linked up with the hustler in the first place, and they all get on happily ever after.  Getting on the high horse takes a lot of energy anyhow.

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Anybody have pics from the show yet?

[Invaded 420]

Heard there were some invader originals on paper so yeah, any pics anyone ?

[daveart]

Ok
This is pretty sweet

[daveart]

[daveart]

70k retna

[daveart]

Huge dface...