johnnyh
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by johnnyh on Oct 3, 2011 7:57:38 GMT 1, I agree and have nothing against protests just think this one is a load of middle class amaericans wanting a pointless protest with no aims and saying they are like the protests in the Middle East.
Belive completely in artists making political statements but not so much in art galleries is my point. Especially when its about profit and money which is the aim of his art gallery me thinks. All Iam saying is this is one of the most pointless unfocussed demon startions I have ever seen.
As mentioned there is lots in america they could be complaing about especially when they are saying they are like the middle East protests and using them as a reference EG as mentioned the fact that Americaa will not support the request at the UN for the recogniion of palaestine as a state.
Read up on Bahrain where the US government does little as that is where its middle east base is and many oil companies and US universities and yet Bahrain has just sentenced a load medics to prison sentences of upto 15 years for treating the injured in their protests.
So if this is to be a political debating forum that is fine and I am happy and interested in artisits political statements there are many. Many of these deal with oppression from the state and urban depravation etc.
However a bunch of american middle class protestors jumping on a band wagon complaing about debt and just does not cut it for me especially when half of the people protesting are apart of what caused the debt. Now they have a load of really hard up film stars down there. Who buys the stocks and shares, who took the housing debt, who voted in George bush, who votes for the jewish lobby in the senate.
Watch the vid that Daniel put up bet no one can listen to that drivel till the end. Load of sad cases repeating their little mantras made me want to throw up to be honest.
So this is a wanna be demo in my view by the middle class so it suits I suppose that it is in Wall street
I agree and have nothing against protests just think this one is a load of middle class amaericans wanting a pointless protest with no aims and saying they are like the protests in the Middle East.
Belive completely in artists making political statements but not so much in art galleries is my point. Especially when its about profit and money which is the aim of his art gallery me thinks. All Iam saying is this is one of the most pointless unfocussed demon startions I have ever seen.
As mentioned there is lots in america they could be complaing about especially when they are saying they are like the middle East protests and using them as a reference EG as mentioned the fact that Americaa will not support the request at the UN for the recogniion of palaestine as a state.
Read up on Bahrain where the US government does little as that is where its middle east base is and many oil companies and US universities and yet Bahrain has just sentenced a load medics to prison sentences of upto 15 years for treating the injured in their protests.
So if this is to be a political debating forum that is fine and I am happy and interested in artisits political statements there are many. Many of these deal with oppression from the state and urban depravation etc.
However a bunch of american middle class protestors jumping on a band wagon complaing about debt and just does not cut it for me especially when half of the people protesting are apart of what caused the debt. Now they have a load of really hard up film stars down there. Who buys the stocks and shares, who took the housing debt, who voted in George bush, who votes for the jewish lobby in the senate.
Watch the vid that Daniel put up bet no one can listen to that drivel till the end. Load of sad cases repeating their little mantras made me want to throw up to be honest.
So this is a wanna be demo in my view by the middle class so it suits I suppose that it is in Wall street
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by Deleted on Oct 3, 2011 8:04:49 GMT 1, I don't doubt for a second that many involved do not have a full understanding of the debt situation and how it came to pass, but I've a feeling Johnny you may need to do a little reading on it too if you think that personal debt was the root cause of the situation the world faces - you may need to look a little further up the food chain.
I don't doubt for a second that many involved do not have a full understanding of the debt situation and how it came to pass, but I've a feeling Johnny you may need to do a little reading on it too if you think that personal debt was the root cause of the situation the world faces - you may need to look a little further up the food chain.
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johnnyh
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by johnnyh on Oct 3, 2011 8:30:58 GMT 1, Its not personal debt but the fact that these are the idiots who voted inthe people they are protesting about and thinking they are right on.
Similarly they have this daft 99 v 1 percent when in actual fact the problem is much more than the 1 percent. They are part of the problem but they cannot protest against themselves. So just blaming big business etc pointless
Its not personal debt but the fact that these are the idiots who voted inthe people they are protesting about and thinking they are right on.
Similarly they have this daft 99 v 1 percent when in actual fact the problem is much more than the 1 percent. They are part of the problem but they cannot protest against themselves. So just blaming big business etc pointless
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by freakinstyle on Oct 3, 2011 8:46:48 GMT 1, Interesting discussion, but there it stops, for me at least. I don't think we need to be discussing if the people demonstrating are the cause of the problem. Demonstrating with for a good idea is better than not demonstrating at all. It is good that people in the US demonstrate or finally have seen the light! The attitude towards debt has been crippling the west far too long resulting in European country's taking up more debt to keep competing. So go for it and make your mark!
Interesting discussion, but there it stops, for me at least. I don't think we need to be discussing if the people demonstrating are the cause of the problem. Demonstrating with for a good idea is better than not demonstrating at all. It is good that people in the US demonstrate or finally have seen the light! The attitude towards debt has been crippling the west far too long resulting in European country's taking up more debt to keep competing. So go for it and make your mark!
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by Deleted on Oct 3, 2011 8:55:23 GMT 1, Its not personal debt but the fact that these are the idiots who voted inthe people they are protesting about and thinking they are right on. Similarly they have this daft 99 v 1 percent when in actual fact the problem is much more than the 1 percent. They are part of the problem but they cannot protest against themselves. So just blaming big business etc pointless
I hate to say this johnny but your argument is nonsensical - so you are stating the people protesting voted for the government that caused this? Do you know that for a fact? Do you categorically know that one government administration caused all the problems that the world is now seeing?
Obviously the mechanics of capitalism, fundamentally neoliberalism are at the heart of the global financial crisis we have witnessed over the last couple of years. Because most of the western world live within this system, should we all idly sit back and say, 'do you know what we're part of this world wide system, so we should be happy with whats happening?' . What an apathetic pointless way of living! No, the answer is make your voice heard and hope someone hears.
Its not personal debt but the fact that these are the idiots who voted inthe people they are protesting about and thinking they are right on. Similarly they have this daft 99 v 1 percent when in actual fact the problem is much more than the 1 percent. They are part of the problem but they cannot protest against themselves. So just blaming big business etc pointless I hate to say this johnny but your argument is nonsensical - so you are stating the people protesting voted for the government that caused this? Do you know that for a fact? Do you categorically know that one government administration caused all the problems that the world is now seeing? Obviously the mechanics of capitalism, fundamentally neoliberalism are at the heart of the global financial crisis we have witnessed over the last couple of years. Because most of the western world live within this system, should we all idly sit back and say, 'do you know what we're part of this world wide system, so we should be happy with whats happening?' . What an apathetic pointless way of living! No, the answer is make your voice heard and hope someone hears.
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by tobaum on Oct 3, 2011 9:22:35 GMT 1, 1. Don't forget Bush was elected without the majority. Protestors might not be the same than electors. 2. People make stupid things but are allow to change their mind.
1. Don't forget Bush was elected without the majority. Protestors might not be the same than electors. 2. People make stupid things but are allow to change their mind.
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by alexnh123 on Oct 3, 2011 10:10:47 GMT 1, Thereโs a big and good enough piece of โstreet artโ all perfectly in place already! The Wall Street (charging) Bull is street art / guerrilla art, as you may or may not already know. Without permission the Sicilian born artist Arturo Di Modica initially installed the sculpture following the 1987 stock market crash as a symbol of the strength and power of the American people. In his own words โHe wanted to encourage everybody to realise America's power,โ Be nice if this could be adopted once again by the people as their symbol for their own strength, power and cause.
Thereโs a big and good enough piece of โstreet artโ all perfectly in place already! The Wall Street (charging) Bull is street art / guerrilla art, as you may or may not already know. Without permission the Sicilian born artist Arturo Di Modica initially installed the sculpture following the 1987 stock market crash as a symbol of the strength and power of the American people. In his own words โHe wanted to encourage everybody to realise America's power,โ Be nice if this could be adopted once again by the people as their symbol for their own strength, power and cause.
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by Gentle Mental on Oct 3, 2011 10:27:14 GMT 1, I do not know enough to comment or put forth a logical case for or against this movement... but i suspect not many, not even those involved, do...
which is very worrying.
i sincerely hope something good come out of it... and not some website dweeb's desperate desire for his/her 3 minutes of fame with his/her impromtu tweet flash mob protest crap...
for that will be a huge waste of opportunity... eroding public confidence, building further skepticism on what can be achieve when people unite.
I do not know enough to comment or put forth a logical case for or against this movement... but i suspect not many, not even those involved, do...
which is very worrying.
i sincerely hope something good come out of it... and not some website dweeb's desperate desire for his/her 3 minutes of fame with his/her impromtu tweet flash mob protest crap...
for that will be a huge waste of opportunity... eroding public confidence, building further skepticism on what can be achieve when people unite.
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mmmike
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by mmmike on Oct 3, 2011 11:36:50 GMT 1, Its not personal debt but the fact that these are the idiots who voted inthe people they are protesting about and thinking they are right on. Similarly they have this daft 99 v 1 percent when in actual fact the problem is much more than the 1 percent. They are part of the problem but they cannot protest against themselves. So just blaming big business etc pointless
first off only half the US population vote, of those that do about half voted for Bush. That is hardly an overwhelming endorsement.
The low turnout is dew to the fact the elections have little to do with democracy and do not address the needs and wants of the population.
Both parties are funded by the same corporate donors who shape the debates to very narrow basically meaningless topics.
Being able to vote between to similar bad options is not democracy.
Its not personal debt but the fact that these are the idiots who voted inthe people they are protesting about and thinking they are right on. Similarly they have this daft 99 v 1 percent when in actual fact the problem is much more than the 1 percent. They are part of the problem but they cannot protest against themselves. So just blaming big business etc pointless first off only half the US population vote, of those that do about half voted for Bush. That is hardly an overwhelming endorsement. The low turnout is dew to the fact the elections have little to do with democracy and do not address the needs and wants of the population. Both parties are funded by the same corporate donors who shape the debates to very narrow basically meaningless topics. Being able to vote between to similar bad options is not democracy.
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BROOKLYNITE
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by BROOKLYNITE on Oct 3, 2011 12:06:46 GMT 1, Claiming that ALL Americans voted for one particular elected official is like choosing to make only one flavor of ice cream because it sells the most.
There are many Americans from day one who were against the election of George W Bush. Remember the "hanging chads" in Florida? Many spoke out against the Iraq War before after and still during it. Grouping a countries people based on their leader is a dangerous road. Pretty sure alot of North Koreans and Chinese can speak about that.
The protests in New York and other parts of the US are inspired by what's happening in the Middle East. Just because their issues are more severe doesn't mean others should wait for their own to get worse before acting.
We came on here to appeal to artists and the art community to get involved if they see fit, not to offend others. We have chosen to try and act on what we believe is right. If some see it as a bad thing and think negatively towards Brooklynite ---so be it.
Claiming that ALL Americans voted for one particular elected official is like choosing to make only one flavor of ice cream because it sells the most.
There are many Americans from day one who were against the election of George W Bush. Remember the "hanging chads" in Florida? Many spoke out against the Iraq War before after and still during it. Grouping a countries people based on their leader is a dangerous road. Pretty sure alot of North Koreans and Chinese can speak about that.
The protests in New York and other parts of the US are inspired by what's happening in the Middle East. Just because their issues are more severe doesn't mean others should wait for their own to get worse before acting.
We came on here to appeal to artists and the art community to get involved if they see fit, not to offend others. We have chosen to try and act on what we believe is right. If some see it as a bad thing and think negatively towards Brooklynite ---so be it.
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by johnnyh on Oct 3, 2011 12:25:02 GMT 1, I hate to say this johnny but your argument is nonsensical - so you are stating the people protesting voted for the government that caused this? Do you know that for a fact? Do you categorically know that one government administration caused all the problems that the world is now seeing?
Yes a reasonable percentage did as they claim to reflect society please view their site. So yes it is a fact. Do i know each individual no but the figures are big enough for that claim to be acceptable. Not one govt but actually one party. American debt is really a republican problem. Started by Regan in the eighties in the 80's continued by Bush senior, reduced by Clinton as a % of GDP and again increased by Bush. Over all debt risen since the 80's similar to world war 2levels.
Mmike. Sorry mate you are wrong. 63% of eligible American voters vote. Also if you do not accept this you are kind of complaining about democracy and saying it does not work debate for another day.
Gentle mental I believe is right. My point is not the right to protest etc but that this protest is a waste
I hate to say this johnny but your argument is nonsensical - so you are stating the people protesting voted for the government that caused this? Do you know that for a fact? Do you categorically know that one government administration caused all the problems that the world is now seeing?
Yes a reasonable percentage did as they claim to reflect society please view their site. So yes it is a fact. Do i know each individual no but the figures are big enough for that claim to be acceptable. Not one govt but actually one party. American debt is really a republican problem. Started by Regan in the eighties in the 80's continued by Bush senior, reduced by Clinton as a % of GDP and again increased by Bush. Over all debt risen since the 80's similar to world war 2levels.
Mmike. Sorry mate you are wrong. 63% of eligible American voters vote. Also if you do not accept this you are kind of complaining about democracy and saying it does not work debate for another day.
Gentle mental I believe is right. My point is not the right to protest etc but that this protest is a waste
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by simonf on Oct 3, 2011 12:28:41 GMT 1, Claiming that ALL Americans voted for one particular elected official is like choosing to make only one flavor of ice cream because it sells the most. There are many Americans from day one who were against the election of George W Bush. Remember the "hanging chads" in Florida? Many spoke out against the Iraq War before after and still during it. Grouping a countries people based on their leader is a dangerous road. Pretty sure alot of North Koreans and Chinese can speak about that. The protests in New York and other parts of the US are inspired by what's happening in the Middle East. Just because their issues are more severe doesn't mean others should wait for their own to get worse before acting. We came on here to appeal to artists and the art community to get involved if they see fit, not to offend others. We have chosen to try and act on what we believe is right. If some see it as a bad thing and think negatively towards Brooklynite ---so be it.
I agree with you, I would be very surprised if many of the protesters voted for Bush.
IMO it is not only about debt though it is/should be about social justice.
If any of us were to sit down and honestly discuss how we would like our societies to be organised I doubt if many of us would say. Things like
"i would like the gap between rich and poor to be at a record historical level"...( it has got bigger year on year since 1929)
I would like 2% of the population to own 98% of the country
I would like 59 million people (the same as the population of the UK) to have insufficient health insurance
I would like most working class old people to live in poverty, have no pensions or access to health care while others have obscene amounts.
What surprises me is that people haven't protested years ago.
Here is a video of the Wall street Banksers mocking the protestest with champagne...
On A positive note the Arab league has replaced all the money that Obama has withheld from the Palestinian Authority, to punish them.
The American position in the security council reminds me of the Lord of the Rings
"One vote to rule them all"
shameful IMO
Claiming that ALL Americans voted for one particular elected official is like choosing to make only one flavor of ice cream because it sells the most. There are many Americans from day one who were against the election of George W Bush. Remember the "hanging chads" in Florida? Many spoke out against the Iraq War before after and still during it. Grouping a countries people based on their leader is a dangerous road. Pretty sure alot of North Koreans and Chinese can speak about that. The protests in New York and other parts of the US are inspired by what's happening in the Middle East. Just because their issues are more severe doesn't mean others should wait for their own to get worse before acting. We came on here to appeal to artists and the art community to get involved if they see fit, not to offend others. We have chosen to try and act on what we believe is right. If some see it as a bad thing and think negatively towards Brooklynite ---so be it. I agree with you, I would be very surprised if many of the protesters voted for Bush. IMO it is not only about debt though it is/should be about social justice. If any of us were to sit down and honestly discuss how we would like our societies to be organised I doubt if many of us would say. Things like "i would like the gap between rich and poor to be at a record historical level"...( it has got bigger year on year since 1929) I would like 2% of the population to own 98% of the country I would like 59 million people (the same as the population of the UK) to have insufficient health insurance I would like most working class old people to live in poverty, have no pensions or access to health care while others have obscene amounts. What surprises me is that people haven't protested years ago. Here is a video of the Wall street Banksers mocking the protestest with champagne... On A positive note the Arab league has replaced all the money that Obama has withheld from the Palestinian Authority, to punish them. The American position in the security council reminds me of the Lord of the Rings "One vote to rule them all" shameful IMO
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by boatyy on Oct 3, 2011 13:47:15 GMT 1, 63% of eligible American voters vote. LOL - 63% of americans don't pay taxes, much less vote...
63% of eligible American voters vote. LOL - 63% of americans don't pay taxes, much less vote...
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mmmike
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by mmmike on Oct 3, 2011 15:42:40 GMT 1, Mmike. Sorry mate you are wrong. 63% of eligible American voters vote. Also if you do not accept this you are kind of complaining about democracy and saying it does not work debate for another day.
lol
The fact that the US has a dysfunctional democracy is the reason of the protests in the first place! Try to keep up. They are protesting the power that money has over politics that has resulted in an unstable economy built on unsustainable consumerism.
So using your number then about 30% voted for Bush. To me that isn't even the issue. Bush didn't do much that the democrats wouldn't have. Bush was just terrible at hiding what he was doing.
To my earlier point the issue is that the two parties are so much a like and neither represents the people. It is next to impossible for a third choice to get elected because of the hold money has over politics and the media. This is the issue!
So protesters are getting their voices heard the best way they know how and giving the world a lesson in democracy. You just have to watch to learn. Try watching some of the general assemblies (held daily) you might learn something.
Democracy is not voting between to like things with no other alternatives. American democracy is like choosing your favorite colour but only being able to pick between light yellow and lighter yellow.
Mmike. Sorry mate you are wrong. 63% of eligible American voters vote. Also if you do not accept this you are kind of complaining about democracy and saying it does not work debate for another day. lol The fact that the US has a dysfunctional democracy is the reason of the protests in the first place! Try to keep up. They are protesting the power that money has over politics that has resulted in an unstable economy built on unsustainable consumerism. So using your number then about 30% voted for Bush. To me that isn't even the issue. Bush didn't do much that the democrats wouldn't have. Bush was just terrible at hiding what he was doing. To my earlier point the issue is that the two parties are so much a like and neither represents the people. It is next to impossible for a third choice to get elected because of the hold money has over politics and the media. This is the issue! So protesters are getting their voices heard the best way they know how and giving the world a lesson in democracy. You just have to watch to learn. Try watching some of the general assemblies (held daily) you might learn something. Democracy is not voting between to like things with no other alternatives. American democracy is like choosing your favorite colour but only being able to pick between light yellow and lighter yellow.
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by boatyy on Oct 3, 2011 16:08:49 GMT 1, there's a human societal element to all of this which goes beyond taxes and past votes etc., for now...
alot happened over the past few years which eliminated alot of opportunity (e.g. jobs etc.) for society (we were on the brinks of another great depression - believe it or not - things went really bad) - and alot of people do not understand or cannot get their heads around what really happened or what is really happening... all they have is news about bailouts, unemployment, corporate greed, protests, mortgage defaults and credit derivatives etc... but it can be difficult to comprehend... sure it is society's fault, but the impact is being felt and some of these folks want to gather and talk about alot of aspects of it now - trying to create some sense of control amidst the ashes and have an impact how best they can, while powerless...
i'm not personally engaged with OWS, but interested and swung by a couple of times to the park - listening with balance, objectivity and vision... alot of youth out there, who never had a mortgage - who were toddlers when all this "stuff" happened and they are now getting active trying to empower themselves to make something out of the bag of lemons they've been handed- not even sure of what they want - but they know they are not in control and whoever was and is in control f'd up and they're thinking it through - understandably, they don't trust any bodies, governments, corporations etc to do it for them (that's what i read from what i witnessed)...
that's what democracy is all about - they are off their backsides gathering and opening their eyes... being engaged citizens... engaged youth - love it when that happens peacefully...
it's going to be a beast of an election year here... the extreme right has made plays and the extreme left is now moving... the fat tails are in the game...
there's a human societal element to all of this which goes beyond taxes and past votes etc., for now... alot happened over the past few years which eliminated alot of opportunity (e.g. jobs etc.) for society (we were on the brinks of another great depression - believe it or not - things went really bad) - and alot of people do not understand or cannot get their heads around what really happened or what is really happening... all they have is news about bailouts, unemployment, corporate greed, protests, mortgage defaults and credit derivatives etc... but it can be difficult to comprehend... sure it is society's fault, but the impact is being felt and some of these folks want to gather and talk about alot of aspects of it now - trying to create some sense of control amidst the ashes and have an impact how best they can, while powerless... i'm not personally engaged with OWS, but interested and swung by a couple of times to the park - listening with balance, objectivity and vision... alot of youth out there, who never had a mortgage - who were toddlers when all this "stuff" happened and they are now getting active trying to empower themselves to make something out of the bag of lemons they've been handed- not even sure of what they want - but they know they are not in control and whoever was and is in control f'd up and they're thinking it through - understandably, they don't trust any bodies, governments, corporations etc to do it for them (that's what i read from what i witnessed)... that's what democracy is all about - they are off their backsides gathering and opening their eyes... being engaged citizens... engaged youth - love it when that happens peacefully... it's going to be a beast of an election year here... the extreme right has made plays and the extreme left is now moving... the fat tails are in the game...
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by johnnyh on Oct 3, 2011 16:17:36 GMT 1, Just getting silly now Mike and a bit pointless. Even using your figs that 30 percent would suggest is a lot more legitimate than a few thousand sitting on a street in new York. What's the population of the USA and how many states
Just read the facts Engage your brain before you type please
Just getting silly now Mike and a bit pointless. Even using your figs that 30 percent would suggest is a lot more legitimate than a few thousand sitting on a street in new York. What's the population of the USA and how many states
Just read the facts Engage your brain before you type please
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by BROOKLYNITE on Oct 3, 2011 16:39:28 GMT 1, On another note........
Here is the design we've come up for some of the materials.
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Mula Printing in London has agreed to print and ship materials for free for the cause. We also have other artists (not sure they want us to mention them by name just yet) who are sending work for signage.
Thanks to all that have reached out. If you would like to add anything else please email us info(at)brooklynitegallery.com
On another note........ Here is the design we've come up for some of the materials. OCCUPY WALL STREET Mula Printing in London has agreed to print and ship materials for free for the cause. We also have other artists (not sure they want us to mention them by name just yet) who are sending work for signage. Thanks to all that have reached out. If you would like to add anything else please email us info(at)brooklynitegallery.com
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by BROOKLYNITE on Oct 3, 2011 16:51:35 GMT 1, This Friday, October 7, starting at 12 noon we are helping organize a screen-print/sign making event down at Zuccotti Park, NYC. If you are in NYC or want to send us any materials please email us or show up!
info(at)brooklynitegallery.com
This Friday, October 7, starting at 12 noon we are helping organize a screen-print/sign making event down at Zuccotti Park, NYC. If you are in NYC or want to send us any materials please email us or show up!
info(at)brooklynitegallery.com
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by mmmike on Oct 3, 2011 21:40:42 GMT 1, Just getting silly now Mike and a bit pointless. Even using your figs that 30 percent would suggest is a lot more legitimate than a few thousand sitting on a street in new York. What's the population of the USA and how many states Just read the facts Engage your brain before you type please
Wow you are so right. The people spoke by electing Bush. Now everyone should fall in line. Democracy complete.
Why didn't I see that.
Thanks for clearing things up.
Just getting silly now Mike and a bit pointless. Even using your figs that 30 percent would suggest is a lot more legitimate than a few thousand sitting on a street in new York. What's the population of the USA and how many states Just read the facts Engage your brain before you type please Wow you are so right. The people spoke by electing Bush. Now everyone should fall in line. Democracy complete. Why didn't I see that. Thanks for clearing things up.
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by love on Oct 3, 2011 21:54:44 GMT 1, You print them in London and send them to NYC? I love this globalisied world.
You print them in London and send them to NYC? I love this globalisied world.
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by boatyy on Oct 4, 2011 5:27:34 GMT 1, the fat tails are in the game...
i had a horrible horrible em from someone due to this post tonight... but that is fine... i really like this forum and it is the only place i EVER post on the internet... so to be clear and out of massive respect when i referred to "fat tails" above i was not disrespecting anyone, it is just a familiar term: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_tail
the fat tails are in the game... i had a horrible horrible em from someone due to this post tonight... but that is fine... i really like this forum and it is the only place i EVER post on the internet... so to be clear and out of massive respect when i referred to "fat tails" above i was not disrespecting anyone, it is just a familiar term: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_tail
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schnulli
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by schnulli on Oct 4, 2011 6:42:27 GMT 1, i had a horrible horrible em from someone due to this post tonight... but that is fine... i really like this forum and it is the only place i EVER post on the internet...
Sorry to hear that boaty....I received a very nasty one once on here, and it's very unsettling to get that sort of thing but I hope it doesn't shake your confidence in posting here. I always find your contributions most interesting.
i had a horrible horrible em from someone due to this post tonight... but that is fine... i really like this forum and it is the only place i EVER post on the internet... Sorry to hear that boaty....I received a very nasty one once on here, and it's very unsettling to get that sort of thing but I hope it doesn't shake your confidence in posting here. I always find your contributions most interesting.
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by johnnyh on Oct 4, 2011 7:03:39 GMT 1, Boaty do not worry about it mate. Tell whoever sent it to bugger off. That is one wild wiki explanation.
Bankers etc and the very highly paid are known as Fat Cats in the UK but its not regarded as particularly insulting. No idea mate but should not worry about it
Boaty do not worry about it mate. Tell whoever sent it to bugger off. That is one wild wiki explanation.
Bankers etc and the very highly paid are known as Fat Cats in the UK but its not regarded as particularly insulting. No idea mate but should not worry about it
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BROOKLYNITE
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by BROOKLYNITE on Oct 5, 2011 4:26:33 GMT 1,
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by nrgball on Oct 5, 2011 4:47:54 GMT 1, this guy understands
this guy understands
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mmmike
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by mmmike on Oct 5, 2011 12:22:32 GMT 1,
My new hero.
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balibob
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by balibob on Oct 5, 2011 13:23:33 GMT 1, Interesting discussions going on and its difficult to see who, if any, have the solution and that includes all our governments. I quite like the idea that anyone who puts themselves up for any election should be immediately disqualified purely on that ambition alone, as putting amatures in charge of running a country's finances is quite literally stupid. How many of our elected leaders have ever held down responsible jobs in industry?.
The term fat cats is being banded around a lot, as is the term the top 1%. Only a small portion of these people are the investment bankers that everyone seems to hate, the rest are wealth generators who run business' and pay 38 - 40 % of the tax paid in most countries.
Greece, for us Europeans, is the biggest concern at the moment and literally nobody in the country pays tax, and I dont mean the rich, its everyone and dodging it seems to be accepted as the norm. Therefore the Greek government has no income, cannot pay the interest on its loans, cannot pay for its vital imports and is going to be a huge burdon on the rest of Europe. The figures for Ireland, Portugal, Spain and Italy are pretty much the same. So clobbering the rich isn't the solution. That has been tried and it failed completely, anyone remember communism.
Protests are good as it at least shows you care, solutions are whats needed and I haven't a clue where we are going to find them.
Interesting discussions going on and its difficult to see who, if any, have the solution and that includes all our governments. I quite like the idea that anyone who puts themselves up for any election should be immediately disqualified purely on that ambition alone, as putting amatures in charge of running a country's finances is quite literally stupid. How many of our elected leaders have ever held down responsible jobs in industry?.
The term fat cats is being banded around a lot, as is the term the top 1%. Only a small portion of these people are the investment bankers that everyone seems to hate, the rest are wealth generators who run business' and pay 38 - 40 % of the tax paid in most countries.
Greece, for us Europeans, is the biggest concern at the moment and literally nobody in the country pays tax, and I dont mean the rich, its everyone and dodging it seems to be accepted as the norm. Therefore the Greek government has no income, cannot pay the interest on its loans, cannot pay for its vital imports and is going to be a huge burdon on the rest of Europe. The figures for Ireland, Portugal, Spain and Italy are pretty much the same. So clobbering the rich isn't the solution. That has been tried and it failed completely, anyone remember communism.
Protests are good as it at least shows you care, solutions are whats needed and I haven't a clue where we are going to find them.
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balibob
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OCCUPY WALL STREET, by balibob on Oct 5, 2011 13:52:47 GMT 1, That is some turnout Sal
That is some turnout Sal
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