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Donald Trump, by Daylight Robber on Jun 2, 2019 17:55:21 GMT 1, Work full time? Because that is totally within the control of the individual. FFS. Might as well have added don't get sick or disabled.
Work full time? Because that is totally within the control of the individual. FFS. Might as well have added don't get sick or disabled.
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Donald Trump, by rebate on Jun 2, 2019 17:58:04 GMT 1, If your happy with that first statement, then theres little point. Its possibly one of more naive and ill-conceived things you have said in a while. Lets just go with one point shall we, A HUGE % ARE EX MILITARY. i hate war and im no great fan of soldiering, buts**t, they are probably grateful for my level of respect when they hear yours. At least i would see themlooked after, fed, housed and clothed for their service ffs. Yes, a curse that is going to take over, it has no choice or it will be class war at some point. LOL you actually believe this viles**t. My post before this was partly joking. You people scare the f**kout of me. Do we really need 100 million more people to die to draw the conclusion that socialism is a f**kingcancer? Which bit was a joke ? its all on a par with your usual diatribe of hate. Sounds like a bullshit retraction to me.
Ill just ignore your use of stats etc, you obviously either make it up or something.
If your happy with that first statement, then theres little point. Its possibly one of more naive and ill-conceived things you have said in a while. Lets just go with one point shall we, A HUGE % ARE EX MILITARY. i hate war and im no great fan of soldiering, buts**t, they are probably grateful for my level of respect when they hear yours. At least i would see themlooked after, fed, housed and clothed for their service ffs. Yes, a curse that is going to take over, it has no choice or it will be class war at some point. LOL you actually believe this viles**t. My post before this was partly joking. You people scare the f**kout of me. Do we really need 100 million more people to die to draw the conclusion that socialism is a f**kingcancer? Which bit was a joke ? its all on a par with your usual diatribe of hate. Sounds like a bullshit retraction to me. Ill just ignore your use of stats etc, you obviously either make it up or something.
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 17:58:13 GMT 1, Work full time? Because that is totally within the control of the individual. FFS. Might as well have added don't get sick or disabled. Lets just dismiss something the top think tank in the world has concluded out of years of research with a random onliner. Fuck you man.
Work full time? Because that is totally within the control of the individual. FFS. Might as well have added don't get sick or disabled. Lets just dismiss something the top think tank in the world has concluded out of years of research with a random onliner. Fuck you man.
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Donald Trump, by Prive on Jun 2, 2019 17:58:18 GMT 1, Great. Let's 1) lower the barriers to birth control to reduce unintended pregnancies and 2) improve public education. #3 is a bit trickier. If it were as simple as reducing business taxes, then Trump's tax cuts would have had a greater impact on employment than they did.
Great. Let's 1) lower the barriers to birth control to reduce unintended pregnancies and 2) improve public education. #3 is a bit trickier. If it were as simple as reducing business taxes, then Trump's tax cuts would have had a greater impact on employment than they did.
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Donald Trump, by rebate on Jun 2, 2019 17:59:08 GMT 1, Work full time? Because that is totally within the control of the individual. FFS. Might as well have added don't get sick or disabled. Its funny (well, its not really) how when they are set of running, they really do start to just sound like nazis!
Work full time? Because that is totally within the control of the individual. FFS. Might as well have added don't get sick or disabled. Its funny (well, its not really) how when they are set of running, they really do start to just sound like nazis!
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Donald Trump, by That Print Guy on Jun 2, 2019 17:59:11 GMT 1, Jesus you are a f**kingasshole. Let's compare the war budget to social services real quick. so avoid my point about holding people accountable and helping to pay their own way...all you are saying is lets divert that money so we can pay for more people without holding them accountable. how does that fix anything? ? thanks for making it personal by the way...you are probably a real classy individual.ย it's entirely personal when you're the one speaking from the high horse. Fuck right off
Jesus you are a f**kingasshole. Let's compare the war budget to social services real quick. so avoid my point about holding people accountable and helping to pay their own way...all you are saying is lets divert that money so we can pay for more people without holding them accountable. how does that fix anything? ? thanks for making it personal by the way...you are probably a real classy individual.ย it's entirely personal when you're the one speaking from the high horse. Fuck right off
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 17:59:52 GMT 1, LOL you actually believe this viles**t. My post before this was partly joking. You people scare the f**kout of me. Do we really need 100 million more people to die to draw the conclusion that socialism is a f**kingcancer? Which bit was a joke ? its all on a par with your usual diatribe of hate. Sounds like a bullshit retraction to me. Ill just ignore your use of stats etc, you obviously either make it up or something. Again, spoken like a true postmodernist. Here's your entire messed up vile ideology summed up in 20 minutes.
LOL you actually believe this viles**t. My post before this was partly joking. You people scare the f**kout of me. Do we really need 100 million more people to die to draw the conclusion that socialism is a f**kingcancer? Which bit was a joke ? its all on a par with your usual diatribe of hate. Sounds like a bullshit retraction to me. Ill just ignore your use of stats etc, you obviously either make it up or something. Again, spoken like a true postmodernist. Here's your entire messed up vile ideology summed up in 20 minutes.
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Donald Trump, by rebate on Jun 2, 2019 18:00:41 GMT 1, Work full time? Because that is totally within the control of the individual. FFS. Might as well have added don't get sick or disabled. Lets just dismiss something the top think tank in the world has concluded out of years of research with a random onliner. f**kyou man. Awww bless, did you forget how to spell arsehat?
Work full time? Because that is totally within the control of the individual. FFS. Might as well have added don't get sick or disabled. Lets just dismiss something the top think tank in the world has concluded out of years of research with a random onliner. f**kyou man. Awww bless, did you forget how to spell arsehat?
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Donald Trump, by walfredo on Jun 2, 2019 18:01:52 GMT 1, you are talking about an issue that will and does exist in both parties....i am looking at you Bill Deblasio andthe mayor of balitimore and chicago, etc...i am more interested in how we are going to get everyone to participate in the system...either illegal or poor....the answer is not tax the rich...the answer is to ensure people are educated to a point that they can afford to pay for themselves. government should be a safety net....not a hammock...and there is too much of that right now. i would take it to an extreme that if you dont graduate high school and expect to live on welfare, you have to go into the military to be eligible....at least at that point somebody is trying to knock some sense into you. please keep in mind, i live in a very big city, where the gross misuse of taxpayer dollars for those that dont participate is enough to make you sick Do you have any statistics to back your assertion that high percentages of social services are going to the lazy? Fraud exists. Welfare fraud, Medicare fraud (just ask Rick Scott!), etc. but I haven't seen any reputable study claim that "every dime" is going to illegals or lazy inner city people. I'd love to see a study compare social services costs due to the lazy/illegals vs social services costs due to inflated health care costs. over 5k city apartments in NYC housing are currently given to illegals (that they admit)...32k nationally.....NOT CITIZENS or as Rebel points out veterans....
you can use the term lazy....but i would not go that far...as i said earlier...there is no point to try in some cases...its kinda like getting a raise that puts you in a different tax bracket and you get no money....if you figure out all the free things you could get, you can live quite well without working.
there needs to be policing of whats given out and it needs to be temporary....a path to supporting themselves...not generational
you are talking about an issue that will and does exist in both parties....i am looking at you Bill Deblasio andthe mayor of balitimore and chicago, etc...i am more interested in how we are going to get everyone to participate in the system...either illegal or poor....the answer is not tax the rich...the answer is to ensure people are educated to a point that they can afford to pay for themselves. government should be a safety net....not a hammock...and there is too much of that right now. i would take it to an extreme that if you dont graduate high school and expect to live on welfare, you have to go into the military to be eligible....at least at that point somebody is trying to knock some sense into you. please keep in mind, i live in a very big city, where the gross misuse of taxpayer dollars for those that dont participate is enough to make you sick Do you have any statistics to back your assertion that high percentages of social services are going to the lazy? Fraud exists. Welfare fraud, Medicare fraud (just ask Rick Scott!), etc. but I haven't seen any reputable study claim that "every dime" is going to illegals or lazy inner city people. I'd love to see a study compare social services costs due to the lazy/illegals vs social services costs due to inflated health care costs. over 5k city apartments in NYC housing are currently given to illegals (that they admit)...32k nationally.....NOT CITIZENS or as Rebel points out veterans.... you can use the term lazy....but i would not go that far...as i said earlier...there is no point to try in some cases...its kinda like getting a raise that puts you in a different tax bracket and you get no money....if you figure out all the free things you could get, you can live quite well without working. there needs to be policing of whats given out and it needs to be temporary....a path to supporting themselves...not generational
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 18:03:27 GMT 1, Great. Let's 1) lower the barriers to birth control to reduce unintended pregnancies and 2) improve public education. #3 is a bit trickier. If it were as simple as reducing business taxes, then Trump's tax cuts would have had a greater impact on employment than they did. There's a very easy way to reduce unintended pregnancies. Don't fuck random strangers, and when you do fuck random strangers, use the pill and a condom.
You don't need to improve public education to just finish high school.
Unemployment is at an all time low, companies are begging people to come work for them.
The research I just quoted doesnt make any distinction about the quality of your school or the quality of your work. Just finish high school. Don't be irresponsible with who and how you fuck. Just work fulltime. You won't be poor.
Great. Let's 1) lower the barriers to birth control to reduce unintended pregnancies and 2) improve public education. #3 is a bit trickier. If it were as simple as reducing business taxes, then Trump's tax cuts would have had a greater impact on employment than they did. There's a very easy way to reduce unintended pregnancies. Don't fuck random strangers, and when you do fuck random strangers, use the pill and a condom. You don't need to improve public education to just finish high school. Unemployment is at an all time low, companies are begging people to come work for them. The research I just quoted doesnt make any distinction about the quality of your school or the quality of your work. Just finish high school. Don't be irresponsible with who and how you fuck. Just work fulltime. You won't be poor.
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Donald Trump, by walfredo on Jun 2, 2019 18:05:14 GMT 1, so avoid my point about holding people accountable and helping to pay their own way...all you are saying is lets divert that money so we can pay for more people without holding them accountable. how does that fix anything? ? thanks for making it personal by the way...you are probably a real classy individual. it's entirely personal when you're the one speaking from the high horse. f**kright off high horse....pretty sure anyone would want to know what they are spending money on and why....unless they were naturally predisposed to 'resist'
so avoid my point about holding people accountable and helping to pay their own way...all you are saying is lets divert that money so we can pay for more people without holding them accountable. how does that fix anything? ? thanks for making it personal by the way...you are probably a real classy individual. it's entirely personal when you're the one speaking from the high horse. f**kright off high horse....pretty sure anyone would want to know what they are spending money on and why....unless they were naturally predisposed to 'resist'
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Donald Trump, by rebate on Jun 2, 2019 18:08:43 GMT 1, over 5k city apartments in NYC housing are currently given to illegals (that they admit)...32k nationally.....NOT CITIZENS or as Rebel points out veterans.... How does an illegal get given a flat by the state if they are illegals? Surely all they would receive on application is a lift home.
I also wonder how many appartment there are in NY? im sure youve checked to see what the % is.
over 5k city apartments in NYC housing are currently given to illegals (that they admit)...32k nationally.....NOT CITIZENS or as Rebel points out veterans.... How does an illegal get given a flat by the state if they are illegals? Surely all they would receive on application is a lift home. I also wonder how many appartment there are in NY? im sure youve checked to see what the % is.
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Donald Trump, by Daylight Robber on Jun 2, 2019 18:10:24 GMT 1, Work full time? Because that is totally within the control of the individual. FFS. Might as well have added don't get sick or disabled. Lets just dismiss something the top think tank in the world has concluded out of years of research with a random onliner. f**kyou man.
Ok smart arse. Let's just simplify and take out of context the findings of those years of research.
You've got your 3 golden rules. You now use them to help form policy and introduce programs etc. which help the individual. Unless the state gets it right with its social and economic policy they won't work.
Work full time? Because that is totally within the control of the individual. FFS. Might as well have added don't get sick or disabled. Lets just dismiss something the top think tank in the world has concluded out of years of research with a random onliner. f**kyou man. Ok smart arse. Let's just simplify and take out of context the findings of those years of research. You've got your 3 golden rules. You now use them to help form policy and introduce programs etc. which help the individual. Unless the state gets it right with its social and economic policy they won't work.
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Donald Trump, by touchdowntodd on Jun 2, 2019 18:18:42 GMT 1,
The best thing about those things is they are choices....
So some people seem to be arguing they're ok with people "needing" assistance because of their own choices
I'd love children, but realistically know I cannot afford them, the day care, etc. Can I have a few bucks for not burdening the system? Joking, but none the less no more shocking of an idea than helping because people choose things
I truly think most people that think our assistance programs arent being abused have never worked with the people that are on it. Come work with me for a day, I'll even show u people selling food stamps at 50 cents on the dollar because they get double or triple their needs, people turning down hours at work to stay on assistance, people refusng to pay for insurance out of pocket even when working full time because loopholes allow them into programs to get it free, etc...
Not always the rule, but far from the exception.. these programs need reform so badly
The best thing about those things is they are choices.... So some people seem to be arguing they're ok with people "needing" assistance because of their own choices I'd love children, but realistically know I cannot afford them, the day care, etc. Can I have a few bucks for not burdening the system? Joking, but none the less no more shocking of an idea than helping because people choose things I truly think most people that think our assistance programs arent being abused have never worked with the people that are on it. Come work with me for a day, I'll even show u people selling food stamps at 50 cents on the dollar because they get double or triple their needs, people turning down hours at work to stay on assistance, people refusng to pay for insurance out of pocket even when working full time because loopholes allow them into programs to get it free, etc... Not always the rule, but far from the exception.. these programs need reform so badly
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Donald Trump, by Daylight Robber on Jun 2, 2019 18:20:43 GMT 1, The best thing about those things is they are choices.... So some people seem to be arguing they're ok with people "needing" assistance because of their own choices I'd love children, but realistically know I cannot afford them, the day care, etc. Can I have a few bucks for not burdening the system? Joking, but none the less no more shocking of an idea than helping because people choose things I truly think most people that think our assistance programs arent being abused have never worked with the people that are on it. Come work with me for a day, I'll even show u people selling food stamps at 50 cents on the dollar because they get double or triple their needs, people turning down hours at work to stay on assistance, people refusng to pay for insurance out of pocket even when working full time because loopholes allow them into programs to get it free, etc... Not always the rule, but far from the exception.. these programs need reform so badly
Are we coming back round to the poor people shouldn't have children argument? Oh joy.
The best thing about those things is they are choices.... So some people seem to be arguing they're ok with people "needing" assistance because of their own choices I'd love children, but realistically know I cannot afford them, the day care, etc. Can I have a few bucks for not burdening the system? Joking, but none the less no more shocking of an idea than helping because people choose things I truly think most people that think our assistance programs arent being abused have never worked with the people that are on it. Come work with me for a day, I'll even show u people selling food stamps at 50 cents on the dollar because they get double or triple their needs, people turning down hours at work to stay on assistance, people refusng to pay for insurance out of pocket even when working full time because loopholes allow them into programs to get it free, etc... Not always the rule, but far from the exception.. these programs need reform so badly Are we coming back round to the poor people shouldn't have children argument? Oh joy.
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Donald Trump, by walfredo on Jun 2, 2019 18:21:06 GMT 1, over 5k city apartments in NYC housing are currently given to illegals (that they admit)...32k nationally.....NOT CITIZENS or as Rebel points out veterans.... How does an illegal get given a flat by the state if they are illegals? Surely all they would receive on application is a lift home. I also wonder how many appartment there are in NY? im sure youve checked to see what the % is. these are the rights sanctuary cities are giving them...benefits, healthcare, licenses and now some of the dem nominees want to give them voting rights....they have more than some low earning americans
the dems are creating a class of american that feels entitled to these services and not to themselves....thats the issue...which is why i said military service as a requirement for those that dont educate themselves would be a requirement for social services...obviously not those that are 'challenged in some way'
there is a new law here to that creates 50/30/20 buildings which is driving the rents through the roof....20% homeless, 30% low income and 50% market rate...and these expense are paid by the taxpayer...in addition to the increased rent from lower number of available apartments. additionally there is ZERO programs in place to get the people out of this situation...which is my whole point. you move a homeless person into an apartment with no time limit and tell them when they get on their feet they can get out of the luxury apartment into something they can afford....why? why exactly would anyone do that...where is the motivation? ...at the same time, what the benefit of paying for a $3k a month apartment for somebody when a $500 a month apartment will do?
over 5k city apartments in NYC housing are currently given to illegals (that they admit)...32k nationally.....NOT CITIZENS or as Rebel points out veterans.... How does an illegal get given a flat by the state if they are illegals? Surely all they would receive on application is a lift home. I also wonder how many appartment there are in NY? im sure youve checked to see what the % is. these are the rights sanctuary cities are giving them...benefits, healthcare, licenses and now some of the dem nominees want to give them voting rights....they have more than some low earning americans the dems are creating a class of american that feels entitled to these services and not to themselves....thats the issue...which is why i said military service as a requirement for those that dont educate themselves would be a requirement for social services...obviously not those that are 'challenged in some way' there is a new law here to that creates 50/30/20 buildings which is driving the rents through the roof....20% homeless, 30% low income and 50% market rate...and these expense are paid by the taxpayer...in addition to the increased rent from lower number of available apartments. additionally there is ZERO programs in place to get the people out of this situation...which is my whole point. you move a homeless person into an apartment with no time limit and tell them when they get on their feet they can get out of the luxury apartment into something they can afford....why? why exactly would anyone do that...where is the motivation? ...at the same time, what the benefit of paying for a $3k a month apartment for somebody when a $500 a month apartment will do?
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 18:21:39 GMT 1, Lets just dismiss something the top think tank in the world has concluded out of years of research with a random onliner. f**kyou man. Ok smart arse. Let's just simplify and take out of context the findings of those years of research. You've got your 3 golden rules. You now use them to help form policy and introduce programs etc. which help the individual. Unless the state gets it right with its social and economic policy they won't work. The state plays a very marginal role in personal responsibility. It's YOU as a person that has to follow these simple rules. Just like you don't shit in your hand and smear it all over your face. Don't be irresponsible about sex. Finish your basic education. Find a job and work fulltime.
The fact that people are struggling to keep to these basic rules is mindboggling to me.
Lets just dismiss something the top think tank in the world has concluded out of years of research with a random onliner. f**kyou man. Ok smart arse. Let's just simplify and take out of context the findings of those years of research. You've got your 3 golden rules. You now use them to help form policy and introduce programs etc. which help the individual. Unless the state gets it right with its social and economic policy they won't work. The state plays a very marginal role in personal responsibility. It's YOU as a person that has to follow these simple rules. Just like you don't shit in your hand and smear it all over your face. Don't be irresponsible about sex. Finish your basic education. Find a job and work fulltime. The fact that people are struggling to keep to these basic rules is mindboggling to me.
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Donald Trump, by Daylight Robber on Jun 2, 2019 18:31:47 GMT 1, Ok smart arse. Let's just simplify and take out of context the findings of those years of research. You've got your 3 golden rules. You now use them to help form policy and introduce programs etc. which help the individual. Unless the state gets it right with its social and economic policy they won't work. The state plays a very marginal role in personal responsibility. It's YOU as a person that has to follow these simple rules. Just like you don'ts**t in your hand and smear it all over your face. Don't be irresponsible about sex. Finish your basic education. Find a job and work fulltime.ย The fact that people are struggling to keep to these basic rules is mindboggling to me.
Don't have the audacity to ever fall on hard times. Don't work for a company that goes bust. Never have an accident or a health issue. If you're not the breadwinner don't get divorced. Don't have twins when you only can only afford 1 child. Don't be born into a poor family that can't afford to feed you or make sure you have everything you need for a good education. Don't you dare choose between moving away from family for a job and staying nearer to them so you can help them in their old age. Don't be living in areas where the rich out price the poor. Etc. Etc.
Ok smart arse. Let's just simplify and take out of context the findings of those years of research. You've got your 3 golden rules. You now use them to help form policy and introduce programs etc. which help the individual. Unless the state gets it right with its social and economic policy they won't work. The state plays a very marginal role in personal responsibility. It's YOU as a person that has to follow these simple rules. Just like you don'ts**t in your hand and smear it all over your face. Don't be irresponsible about sex. Finish your basic education. Find a job and work fulltime.ย The fact that people are struggling to keep to these basic rules is mindboggling to me. Don't have the audacity to ever fall on hard times. Don't work for a company that goes bust. Never have an accident or a health issue. If you're not the breadwinner don't get divorced. Don't have twins when you only can only afford 1 child. Don't be born into a poor family that can't afford to feed you or make sure you have everything you need for a good education. Don't you dare choose between moving away from family for a job and staying nearer to them so you can help them in their old age. Don't be living in areas where the rich out price the poor. Etc. Etc.
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Donald Trump, by touchdowntodd on Jun 2, 2019 18:41:31 GMT 1, The state plays a very marginal role in personal responsibility. It's YOU as a person that has to follow these simple rules. Just like you don'ts**t in your hand and smear it all over your face. Don't be irresponsible about sex. Finish your basic education. Find a job and work fulltime.ย The fact that people are struggling to keep to these basic rules is mindboggling to me. Don't have the audacity to ever fall on hard times. Don't work for a company that goes bust. Never have an accident or a health issue. If you're not the breadwinner don't get divorced. Don't have twins when you only can only afford 1 child. Don't be born into a poor family that can't afford to feed you or make sure you have everything you need for a good education. Don't you dare choose between moving away from family for a job and staying nearer to them so you can help them in their old age. Don't be living in areas where the rich out price the poor. Etc. Etc.
Every example you give has 2 things in common....
1) people should plan for rainy days.12 month efunds, etc. Yes I know it's hard, it took me 5 years to build mine
2) they're all TEMPORARY issues. No one is arguing that there should be a bridge to help you.. were discussing people literally living their entire lives on the system
Also, stop the education talk.. this is America, you can do very well even without it. The trades are dying to find people to hire.. those are 6 figure jobs within 5 years.. there's always an option
The state plays a very marginal role in personal responsibility. It's YOU as a person that has to follow these simple rules. Just like you don'ts**t in your hand and smear it all over your face. Don't be irresponsible about sex. Finish your basic education. Find a job and work fulltime.ย The fact that people are struggling to keep to these basic rules is mindboggling to me. Don't have the audacity to ever fall on hard times. Don't work for a company that goes bust. Never have an accident or a health issue. If you're not the breadwinner don't get divorced. Don't have twins when you only can only afford 1 child. Don't be born into a poor family that can't afford to feed you or make sure you have everything you need for a good education. Don't you dare choose between moving away from family for a job and staying nearer to them so you can help them in their old age. Don't be living in areas where the rich out price the poor. Etc. Etc. Every example you give has 2 things in common.... 1) people should plan for rainy days.12 month efunds, etc. Yes I know it's hard, it took me 5 years to build mine 2) they're all TEMPORARY issues. No one is arguing that there should be a bridge to help you.. were discussing people literally living their entire lives on the system Also, stop the education talk.. this is America, you can do very well even without it. The trades are dying to find people to hire.. those are 6 figure jobs within 5 years.. there's always an option
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Donald Trump, by rebate on Jun 2, 2019 18:43:56 GMT 1, How does an illegal get given a flat by the state if they are illegals? Surely all they would receive on application is a lift home. I also wonder how many appartment there are in NY? im sure youve checked to see what the % is. these are the rights sanctuary cities are giving them...benefits, healthcare, licenses and now some of the dem nominees want to give them voting rights....they have more than some low earning americans the dems are creating a class of american that feels entitled to these services and not to themselves....thats the issue...which is why i said military service as a requirement for those that dont educate themselves would be a requirement for social services...obviously not those that are 'challenged in some way' there is a new law here to that creates 50/30/20 buildings which is driving the rents through the roof....20% homeless, 30% low income and 50% market rate...and these expense are paid by the taxpayer...in addition to the increased rent from lower number of available apartments. additionally there is ZERO programs in place to get the people out of this situation...which is my whole point. you move a homeless person into an apartment with no time limit and tell them when they get on their feet they can get out of the luxury apartment into something they can afford....why? why exactly would anyone do that...where is the motivation? ...at the same time, what the benefit of paying for a $3k a month apartment for somebody when a $500 a month apartment will do? Is NY a sanctuary city?
How does an illegal get given a flat by the state if they are illegals? Surely all they would receive on application is a lift home. I also wonder how many appartment there are in NY? im sure youve checked to see what the % is. these are the rights sanctuary cities are giving them...benefits, healthcare, licenses and now some of the dem nominees want to give them voting rights....they have more than some low earning americans the dems are creating a class of american that feels entitled to these services and not to themselves....thats the issue...which is why i said military service as a requirement for those that dont educate themselves would be a requirement for social services...obviously not those that are 'challenged in some way' there is a new law here to that creates 50/30/20 buildings which is driving the rents through the roof....20% homeless, 30% low income and 50% market rate...and these expense are paid by the taxpayer...in addition to the increased rent from lower number of available apartments. additionally there is ZERO programs in place to get the people out of this situation...which is my whole point. you move a homeless person into an apartment with no time limit and tell them when they get on their feet they can get out of the luxury apartment into something they can afford....why? why exactly would anyone do that...where is the motivation? ...at the same time, what the benefit of paying for a $3k a month apartment for somebody when a $500 a month apartment will do? Is NY a sanctuary city?
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touchdowntodd
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Donald Trump, by touchdowntodd on Jun 2, 2019 18:46:31 GMT 1, The best thing about those things is they are choices.... So some people seem to be arguing they're ok with people "needing" assistance because of their own choices I'd love children, but realistically know I cannot afford them, the day care, etc. Can I have a few bucks for not burdening the system? Joking, but none the less no more shocking of an idea than helping because people choose things I truly think most people that think our assistance programs arent being abused have never worked with the people that are on it. Come work with me for a day, I'll even show u people selling food stamps at 50 cents on the dollar because they get double or triple their needs, people turning down hours at work to stay on assistance, people refusng to pay for insurance out of pocket even when working full time because loopholes allow them into programs to get it free, etc... Not always the rule, but far from the exception.. these programs need reform so badly Are we coming back round to the poor people shouldn't have children argument? Oh joy.
When the upper middle class starts building 2 bedroom houses more often than not, and choosing no children because of affordability it's a viable discussion. Even at lower middle class income in my house, we know we can't afford $4-500 a week for daycare alone plus expenses. So we painfully have to choose to not have children.... Should someone else have the choice simply because they're unable to work ? Honest question....
And even then. Should there be a limit imposed?
Seriously, have you ever worked with, hired, handled personal cases, or worked in an environment where you counsel and work with these families? It's difficult to see someone on full assistance having 3,4,5 children, then go home and tell my wife we can't because we are doing our best and working 60-80 hours a week each just to have what options we do have in life...
The best thing about those things is they are choices.... So some people seem to be arguing they're ok with people "needing" assistance because of their own choices I'd love children, but realistically know I cannot afford them, the day care, etc. Can I have a few bucks for not burdening the system? Joking, but none the less no more shocking of an idea than helping because people choose things I truly think most people that think our assistance programs arent being abused have never worked with the people that are on it. Come work with me for a day, I'll even show u people selling food stamps at 50 cents on the dollar because they get double or triple their needs, people turning down hours at work to stay on assistance, people refusng to pay for insurance out of pocket even when working full time because loopholes allow them into programs to get it free, etc... Not always the rule, but far from the exception.. these programs need reform so badly Are we coming back round to the poor people shouldn't have children argument? Oh joy. When the upper middle class starts building 2 bedroom houses more often than not, and choosing no children because of affordability it's a viable discussion. Even at lower middle class income in my house, we know we can't afford $4-500 a week for daycare alone plus expenses. So we painfully have to choose to not have children.... Should someone else have the choice simply because they're unable to work ? Honest question.... And even then. Should there be a limit imposed? Seriously, have you ever worked with, hired, handled personal cases, or worked in an environment where you counsel and work with these families? It's difficult to see someone on full assistance having 3,4,5 children, then go home and tell my wife we can't because we are doing our best and working 60-80 hours a week each just to have what options we do have in life...
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rebate
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Donald Trump, by rebate on Jun 2, 2019 18:49:19 GMT 1, Are we coming back round to the poor people shouldn't have children argument? Oh joy. When the upper middle class starts building 2 bedroom houses more often than not, and choosing no children because of affordability it's a viable discussion. Even at lower middle class income in my house, we know we can't afford $4-500 a week for daycare alone plus expenses. So we painfully have to choose to not have children.... Should someone else have the choice simply because they're unable to work ? Honest question.... And even then. Should there be a limit imposed? Seriously, have you ever worked with, hired, handled personal cases, or worked in an environment where you counsel and work with these families? It's difficult to see someone on full assistance having 3,4,5 children, then go home and tell my wife we can't because we are doing our best and working 60-80 hours a week each just to have what options we do have in life... Its kinda funny to hear you admit the system is fucked and then in the same breath defend it. Impressive stuff.
Are we coming back round to the poor people shouldn't have children argument? Oh joy. When the upper middle class starts building 2 bedroom houses more often than not, and choosing no children because of affordability it's a viable discussion. Even at lower middle class income in my house, we know we can't afford $4-500 a week for daycare alone plus expenses. So we painfully have to choose to not have children.... Should someone else have the choice simply because they're unable to work ? Honest question.... And even then. Should there be a limit imposed? Seriously, have you ever worked with, hired, handled personal cases, or worked in an environment where you counsel and work with these families? It's difficult to see someone on full assistance having 3,4,5 children, then go home and tell my wife we can't because we are doing our best and working 60-80 hours a week each just to have what options we do have in life... Its kinda funny to hear you admit the system is fucked and then in the same breath defend it. Impressive stuff.
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Donald Trump, by Daylight Robber on Jun 2, 2019 18:52:45 GMT 1, Are we coming back round to the poor people shouldn't have children argument? Oh joy. When the upper middle class starts building 2 bedroom houses more often than not, and choosing no children because of affordability it's a viable discussion. Even at lower middle class income in my house, we know we can't afford $4-500 a week for daycare alone plus expenses. So we painfully have to choose to not have children.... Should someone else have the choice simply because they're unable to work ? Honest question.... And even then. Should there be a limit imposed? Seriously, have you ever worked with, hired, handled personal cases, or worked in an environment where you counsel and work with these families? It's difficult to see someone on full assistance having 3,4,5 children, then go home and tell my wife we can't because we are doing our best and working 60-80 hours a week each just to have what options we do have in life...
Ok, some friendly advice. If you want kids and you think you can't afford them financially then go with your heart and not your wallet. Find a way. Because if you're waiting until you can genuinely afford kids, you'll be waiting a long time.
Are we coming back round to the poor people shouldn't have children argument? Oh joy. When the upper middle class starts building 2 bedroom houses more often than not, and choosing no children because of affordability it's a viable discussion. Even at lower middle class income in my house, we know we can't afford $4-500 a week for daycare alone plus expenses. So we painfully have to choose to not have children.... Should someone else have the choice simply because they're unable to work ? Honest question.... And even then. Should there be a limit imposed? Seriously, have you ever worked with, hired, handled personal cases, or worked in an environment where you counsel and work with these families? It's difficult to see someone on full assistance having 3,4,5 children, then go home and tell my wife we can't because we are doing our best and working 60-80 hours a week each just to have what options we do have in life... Ok, some friendly advice. If you want kids and you think you can't afford them financially then go with your heart and not your wallet. Find a way. Because if you're waiting until you can genuinely afford kids, you'll be waiting a long time.
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walfredo
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Donald Trump, by walfredo on Jun 2, 2019 18:56:17 GMT 1, these are the rights sanctuary cities are giving them...benefits, healthcare, licenses and now some of the dem nominees want to give them voting rights....they have more than some low earning americans the dems are creating a class of american that feels entitled to these services and not to themselves....thats the issue...which is why i said military service as a requirement for those that dont educate themselves would be a requirement for social services...obviously not those that are 'challenged in some way' there is a new law here to that creates 50/30/20 buildings which is driving the rents through the roof....20% homeless, 30% low income and 50% market rate...and these expense are paid by the taxpayer...in addition to the increased rent from lower number of available apartments. additionally there is ZERO programs in place to get the people out of this situation...which is my whole point. you move a homeless person into an apartment with no time limit and tell them when they get on their feet they can get out of the luxury apartment into something they can afford....why? why exactly would anyone do that...where is the motivation? ...at the same time, what the benefit of paying for a $3k a month apartment for somebody when a $500 a month apartment will do? Is NY a sanctuary city? yes....very much so...this is why trump is threatening to send all the people at the border to sanctuary cities...they will crumble under the expense to support them. you decide to allow thousands of people to come to your city who dont pay income tax, arent covered by health benefits and put stress on the infrastructure, it becomes the responsibility of the city to raise taxes or the cost of services associated with these people. and when they have kids you are compounding the issue on our schools and teachers....with no clear way to improve the services...you cant magically create class rooms, teachers and associated services overnight. i really have to ask...with so much distaste for the americans that are asking for accountability.....where is the outrage at the governments that these people are coming from...or the governments that are refusing to help these people as they pass through?
mexico has some huge set of balls to expect us to take the unskilled labor into our country while expecting us to keep tariffs low so US companies will send the skilled labor jobs to them (automotive and likewise)....does that seem fair? or does that seem like a country and a political party creating a narrative to get what benefits them?
these are the rights sanctuary cities are giving them...benefits, healthcare, licenses and now some of the dem nominees want to give them voting rights....they have more than some low earning americans the dems are creating a class of american that feels entitled to these services and not to themselves....thats the issue...which is why i said military service as a requirement for those that dont educate themselves would be a requirement for social services...obviously not those that are 'challenged in some way' there is a new law here to that creates 50/30/20 buildings which is driving the rents through the roof....20% homeless, 30% low income and 50% market rate...and these expense are paid by the taxpayer...in addition to the increased rent from lower number of available apartments. additionally there is ZERO programs in place to get the people out of this situation...which is my whole point. you move a homeless person into an apartment with no time limit and tell them when they get on their feet they can get out of the luxury apartment into something they can afford....why? why exactly would anyone do that...where is the motivation? ...at the same time, what the benefit of paying for a $3k a month apartment for somebody when a $500 a month apartment will do? Is NY a sanctuary city? yes....very much so...this is why trump is threatening to send all the people at the border to sanctuary cities...they will crumble under the expense to support them. you decide to allow thousands of people to come to your city who dont pay income tax, arent covered by health benefits and put stress on the infrastructure, it becomes the responsibility of the city to raise taxes or the cost of services associated with these people. and when they have kids you are compounding the issue on our schools and teachers....with no clear way to improve the services...you cant magically create class rooms, teachers and associated services overnight. i really have to ask...with so much distaste for the americans that are asking for accountability.....where is the outrage at the governments that these people are coming from...or the governments that are refusing to help these people as they pass through? mexico has some huge set of balls to expect us to take the unskilled labor into our country while expecting us to keep tariffs low so US companies will send the skilled labor jobs to them (automotive and likewise)....does that seem fair? or does that seem like a country and a political party creating a narrative to get what benefits them?
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Donald Trump, by k2 on Jun 2, 2019 18:58:57 GMT 1, Are we coming back round to the poor people shouldn't have children argument? Oh joy. When the upper middle class starts building 2 bedroom houses more often than not, and choosing no children because of affordability it's a viable discussion. Even at lower middle class income in my house, we know we can't afford $4-500 a week for daycare alone plus expenses. So we painfully have to choose to not have children.... Should someone else have the choice simply because they're unable to work ? Honest question.... And even then. Should there be a limit imposed? Seriously, have you ever worked with, hired, handled personal cases, or worked in an environment where you counsel and work with these families? It's difficult to see someone on full assistance having 3,4,5 children, then go home and tell my wife we can't because we are doing our best and working 60-80 hours a week each just to have what options we do have in life...
According to your own logic, you could get a job in the trades and be earning six figures within 5 years. You made it sound quite easy and achievable to anyone. If youโre working a combined 140 hours a week between you and struggling to make ends meet, does that not suggest that perhaps itโs not quite as easy as you made it sound?
Are we coming back round to the poor people shouldn't have children argument? Oh joy. When the upper middle class starts building 2 bedroom houses more often than not, and choosing no children because of affordability it's a viable discussion. Even at lower middle class income in my house, we know we can't afford $4-500 a week for daycare alone plus expenses. So we painfully have to choose to not have children.... Should someone else have the choice simply because they're unable to work ? Honest question.... And even then. Should there be a limit imposed? Seriously, have you ever worked with, hired, handled personal cases, or worked in an environment where you counsel and work with these families? It's difficult to see someone on full assistance having 3,4,5 children, then go home and tell my wife we can't because we are doing our best and working 60-80 hours a week each just to have what options we do have in life... According to your own logic, you could get a job in the trades and be earning six figures within 5 years. You made it sound quite easy and achievable to anyone. If youโre working a combined 140 hours a week between you and struggling to make ends meet, does that not suggest that perhaps itโs not quite as easy as you made it sound?
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rebate
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Donald Trump, by rebate on Jun 2, 2019 19:01:21 GMT 1, yes....very much so...this is why trump is threatening to send all the people at the border to sanctuary cities...they will crumble under the expense to support them. you decide to allow thousands of people to come to your city who dont pay income tax, arent covered by health benefits and put stress on the infrastructure, it becomes the responsibility of the city to raise taxes or the cost of services associated with these people. and when they have kids you are compounding the issue on our schools and teachers....with no clear way to improve the services...you cant magically create class rooms, teachers and associated services overnight. i really have to ask...with so much distaste for the americans that are asking for accountability.....where is the outrage at the governments that these people are coming from...or the governments that are refusing to help these people as they pass through? mexico has some huge set of balls to expect us to take the unskilled labor into our country while expecting us to keep tariffs low so US companies will send the skilled labor jobs to them (automotive and likewise)....does that seem fair? or does that seem like a country and a political party creating a narrative to get what benefits them? Its funny, th one thing that sprung immediately to mind was how much tax has trump paid over the years. But of course we know the answer is fuck all, as he has point blank refused to be transparent about it. So im going with tax avoidance of rich people is a far bigger issue. Do you think thats fair? or could all that money mean that everyone can be looked after under a decent system without the leches draining the money pool?
yes....very much so...this is why trump is threatening to send all the people at the border to sanctuary cities...they will crumble under the expense to support them. you decide to allow thousands of people to come to your city who dont pay income tax, arent covered by health benefits and put stress on the infrastructure, it becomes the responsibility of the city to raise taxes or the cost of services associated with these people. and when they have kids you are compounding the issue on our schools and teachers....with no clear way to improve the services...you cant magically create class rooms, teachers and associated services overnight. i really have to ask...with so much distaste for the americans that are asking for accountability.....where is the outrage at the governments that these people are coming from...or the governments that are refusing to help these people as they pass through? mexico has some huge set of balls to expect us to take the unskilled labor into our country while expecting us to keep tariffs low so US companies will send the skilled labor jobs to them (automotive and likewise)....does that seem fair? or does that seem like a country and a political party creating a narrative to get what benefits them? Its funny, th one thing that sprung immediately to mind was how much tax has trump paid over the years. But of course we know the answer is fuck all, as he has point blank refused to be transparent about it. So im going with tax avoidance of rich people is a far bigger issue. Do you think thats fair? or could all that money mean that everyone can be looked after under a decent system without the leches draining the money pool?
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rebate
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Donald Trump, by rebate on Jun 2, 2019 19:04:04 GMT 1, When the upper middle class starts building 2 bedroom houses more often than not, and choosing no children because of affordability it's a viable discussion. Even at lower middle class income in my house, we know we can't afford $4-500 a week for daycare alone plus expenses. So we painfully have to choose to not have children.... Should someone else have the choice simply because they're unable to work ? Honest question.... And even then. Should there be a limit imposed? Seriously, have you ever worked with, hired, handled personal cases, or worked in an environment where you counsel and work with these families? It's difficult to see someone on full assistance having 3,4,5 children, then go home and tell my wife we can't because we are doing our best and working 60-80 hours a week each just to have what options we do have in life... According to your own logic, you could get a job in the trades and be earning six figures within 5 years. You made it sound quite easy and achievable to anyone. If youโre working a combined 140 hours a week between you and struggling to make ends meet, does that not suggest that perhaps itโs not quite as easy as you made it sound? By his logic, hes either a lazy fucker, didnt try hard enough at school or work, or is living way out of his financial means and has no economic common sense. f**kit, im just flipping the table on him.
When the upper middle class starts building 2 bedroom houses more often than not, and choosing no children because of affordability it's a viable discussion. Even at lower middle class income in my house, we know we can't afford $4-500 a week for daycare alone plus expenses. So we painfully have to choose to not have children.... Should someone else have the choice simply because they're unable to work ? Honest question.... And even then. Should there be a limit imposed? Seriously, have you ever worked with, hired, handled personal cases, or worked in an environment where you counsel and work with these families? It's difficult to see someone on full assistance having 3,4,5 children, then go home and tell my wife we can't because we are doing our best and working 60-80 hours a week each just to have what options we do have in life... According to your own logic, you could get a job in the trades and be earning six figures within 5 years. You made it sound quite easy and achievable to anyone. If youโre working a combined 140 hours a week between you and struggling to make ends meet, does that not suggest that perhaps itโs not quite as easy as you made it sound? By his logic, hes either a lazy fucker, didnt try hard enough at school or work, or is living way out of his financial means and has no economic common sense. f**kit, im just flipping the table on him.
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d.r. perseus
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Donald Trump, by d.r. perseus on Jun 2, 2019 19:05:58 GMT 1, Great. Let's 1) lower the barriers to birth control to reduce unintended pregnancies and 2) improve public education.ย #3 is a bit trickier. If it were as simple as reducing business taxes, then Trump's tax cuts would have had a greater impact on employment than they did.ย There's a very easy way to reduce unintended pregnancies. Don't f**krandom strangers, and when you do f**krandom strangers, use the pill and a condom.ย You don't need to improve public education to just finish high school. Unemployment is at an all time low, companies are begging people to come work for them. The research I just quoted doesnt make any distinction about the quality of your school or the quality of your work. Just finish high school. Don't be irresponsible with who and how you fuck. Just work fulltime. You won't be poor.
If it makes no distinction about quality of work, some minimum wages come in at $7.25/ hour. That is also the federal minimum wage. If ou think 15k/year isnโt poor ass youโre out of your damn mind.
Great. Let's 1) lower the barriers to birth control to reduce unintended pregnancies and 2) improve public education.ย #3 is a bit trickier. If it were as simple as reducing business taxes, then Trump's tax cuts would have had a greater impact on employment than they did.ย There's a very easy way to reduce unintended pregnancies. Don't f**krandom strangers, and when you do f**krandom strangers, use the pill and a condom.ย You don't need to improve public education to just finish high school. Unemployment is at an all time low, companies are begging people to come work for them. The research I just quoted doesnt make any distinction about the quality of your school or the quality of your work. Just finish high school. Don't be irresponsible with who and how you fuck. Just work fulltime. You won't be poor. If it makes no distinction about quality of work, some minimum wages come in at $7.25/ hour. That is also the federal minimum wage. If ou think 15k/year isnโt poor ass youโre out of your damn mind.
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walfredo
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Donald Trump, by walfredo on Jun 2, 2019 19:37:38 GMT 1, yes....very much so...this is why trump is threatening to send all the people at the border to sanctuary cities...they will crumble under the expense to support them. you decide to allow thousands of people to come to your city who dont pay income tax, arent covered by health benefits and put stress on the infrastructure, it becomes the responsibility of the city to raise taxes or the cost of services associated with these people. and when they have kids you are compounding the issue on our schools and teachers....with no clear way to improve the services...you cant magically create class rooms, teachers and associated services overnight. i really have to ask...with so much distaste for the americans that are asking for accountability.....where is the outrage at the governments that these people are coming from...or the governments that are refusing to help these people as they pass through? mexico has some huge set of balls to expect us to take the unskilled labor into our country while expecting us to keep tariffs low so US companies will send the skilled labor jobs to them (automotive and likewise)....does that seem fair? or does that seem like a country and a political party creating a narrative to get what benefits them? Its funny, th one thing that sprung immediately to mind was how much tax has trump paid over the years. But of course we know the answer is f**kall, as he has point blank refused to be transparent about it. So im going with tax avoidance of rich people is a far bigger issue. Do you think thats fair? or could all that money mean that everyone can be looked after under a decent system without the leches draining the money pool? you are still talking the same thing....there needs to be a process to get people off the government tit...because once they are there, they will do (in many cases)anything to stay there...especially when politicians run on it.
as the lower class subsidized groups grow at an exponential rate, there is nothing the tax avoidance of the corporations or the rich can do to fix the situation...you are only entitling it to continue...that might seem harsh until you think about it
you can bring up Trump as not being transparent on his taxes, just like any american or corporation that makes a great deal of money....corporations such as apple that keep their money offshore...which is one of the most hypocritical things to do considering their public stance on social funding....but even still, increasing the taxable revenue from the rich and the corporations doesn't mean we hit the lottery and can blow it...the money needs to be invested and the return on that investment needs to be policed and tracked.
either way....finding a way to pay for things that people should learn to pay for themselves (in a large portion of the cases) is not the solution....feeling entitled to the new iphone or luxury clothing does not make the rest of us racist because you cant afford it....there is a fundamental change that needs to happen to the rules and the mind set that was created all the way back to the depression....
we have created a world where if you dont get educated, dont get a job, dont......the government is expected to carry you...and not till you get on your feet, but for your life and the life of your children...does that seem fair to those of us that work? or does having requirements to receive a handout seem more level headed.....pushing people to get off the system and not stay on it.
yes....very much so...this is why trump is threatening to send all the people at the border to sanctuary cities...they will crumble under the expense to support them. you decide to allow thousands of people to come to your city who dont pay income tax, arent covered by health benefits and put stress on the infrastructure, it becomes the responsibility of the city to raise taxes or the cost of services associated with these people. and when they have kids you are compounding the issue on our schools and teachers....with no clear way to improve the services...you cant magically create class rooms, teachers and associated services overnight. i really have to ask...with so much distaste for the americans that are asking for accountability.....where is the outrage at the governments that these people are coming from...or the governments that are refusing to help these people as they pass through? mexico has some huge set of balls to expect us to take the unskilled labor into our country while expecting us to keep tariffs low so US companies will send the skilled labor jobs to them (automotive and likewise)....does that seem fair? or does that seem like a country and a political party creating a narrative to get what benefits them? Its funny, th one thing that sprung immediately to mind was how much tax has trump paid over the years. But of course we know the answer is f**kall, as he has point blank refused to be transparent about it. So im going with tax avoidance of rich people is a far bigger issue. Do you think thats fair? or could all that money mean that everyone can be looked after under a decent system without the leches draining the money pool? you are still talking the same thing....there needs to be a process to get people off the government tit...because once they are there, they will do (in many cases)anything to stay there...especially when politicians run on it. as the lower class subsidized groups grow at an exponential rate, there is nothing the tax avoidance of the corporations or the rich can do to fix the situation...you are only entitling it to continue...that might seem harsh until you think about it you can bring up Trump as not being transparent on his taxes, just like any american or corporation that makes a great deal of money....corporations such as apple that keep their money offshore...which is one of the most hypocritical things to do considering their public stance on social funding....but even still, increasing the taxable revenue from the rich and the corporations doesn't mean we hit the lottery and can blow it...the money needs to be invested and the return on that investment needs to be policed and tracked. either way....finding a way to pay for things that people should learn to pay for themselves (in a large portion of the cases) is not the solution....feeling entitled to the new iphone or luxury clothing does not make the rest of us racist because you cant afford it....there is a fundamental change that needs to happen to the rules and the mind set that was created all the way back to the depression.... we have created a world where if you dont get educated, dont get a job, dont......the government is expected to carry you...and not till you get on your feet, but for your life and the life of your children...does that seem fair to those of us that work? or does having requirements to receive a handout seem more level headed.....pushing people to get off the system and not stay on it.
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Donald Trump, by rebate on Jun 2, 2019 19:39:43 GMT 1, Its funny, th one thing that sprung immediately to mind was how much tax has trump paid over the years. But of course we know the answer is f**kall, as he has point blank refused to be transparent about it. So im going with tax avoidance of rich people is a far bigger issue. Do you think thats fair? or could all that money mean that everyone can be looked after under a decent system without the leches draining the money pool? you are still talking the same thing....there needs to be a process to get people off the government tit...because once they are there, they will do (in many cases)anything to stay there...especially when politicians run on it. as the lower class subsidized groups grow at an exponential rate, there is nothing the tax avoidance of the corporations or the rich can do to fix the situation...you are only entitling it to continue...that might seem harsh until you think about it you can bring up Trump as not being transparent on his taxes, just like any american or corporation that makes a great deal of money....corporations such as apple that keep their money offshore...which is one of the most hypocritical things to do considering their public stance on social funding....but even still, increasing the taxable revenue from the rich and the corporations doesn't mean we hit the lottery and can blow it...the money needs to be invested and the return on that investment needs to be policed and tracked. either way....finding a way to pay for things that people should learn to pay for themselves (in a large portion of the cases) is not the solution....feeling entitled to the new iphone or luxury clothing does not make the rest of us racist because you cant afford it....there is a fundamental change that needs to happen to the rules and the mind set that was created all the way back to the depression.... we have created a world where if you dont get educated, dont get a job, dont......the government is expected to carry you...and not till you get on your feet, but for your life and the life of your children...does that seem fair to those of us that work? or does having requirements to receive a handout seem more level headed.....pushing people to get off the system and not stay on it. Yeah, and your repeating the same old diatribe that has let the rich bleed the system dry and blame the victims.
Its funny, th one thing that sprung immediately to mind was how much tax has trump paid over the years. But of course we know the answer is f**kall, as he has point blank refused to be transparent about it. So im going with tax avoidance of rich people is a far bigger issue. Do you think thats fair? or could all that money mean that everyone can be looked after under a decent system without the leches draining the money pool? you are still talking the same thing....there needs to be a process to get people off the government tit...because once they are there, they will do (in many cases)anything to stay there...especially when politicians run on it. as the lower class subsidized groups grow at an exponential rate, there is nothing the tax avoidance of the corporations or the rich can do to fix the situation...you are only entitling it to continue...that might seem harsh until you think about it you can bring up Trump as not being transparent on his taxes, just like any american or corporation that makes a great deal of money....corporations such as apple that keep their money offshore...which is one of the most hypocritical things to do considering their public stance on social funding....but even still, increasing the taxable revenue from the rich and the corporations doesn't mean we hit the lottery and can blow it...the money needs to be invested and the return on that investment needs to be policed and tracked. either way....finding a way to pay for things that people should learn to pay for themselves (in a large portion of the cases) is not the solution....feeling entitled to the new iphone or luxury clothing does not make the rest of us racist because you cant afford it....there is a fundamental change that needs to happen to the rules and the mind set that was created all the way back to the depression.... we have created a world where if you dont get educated, dont get a job, dont......the government is expected to carry you...and not till you get on your feet, but for your life and the life of your children...does that seem fair to those of us that work? or does having requirements to receive a handout seem more level headed.....pushing people to get off the system and not stay on it. Yeah, and your repeating the same old diatribe that has let the rich bleed the system dry and blame the victims.
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