walfredo
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Donald Trump, by walfredo on Jun 2, 2019 19:54:04 GMT 1, so tax the rich....got it.....screw eliminating the reasons people are poor...just give them what they want or get bullied around.....and by the way...fix the subways, roads, schools, infrastructure and everything else....after all the rich take helicopters are live in their castles and point down and laugh at everyone. i have to go back now to reading how i am a awful person for not wanting to give free parking and free passes to the new congestion bills for those that live in NYC subsidized housing....i have a pretty damn good job and even i cant afford a car in NYC....but hey...tax me some more please...
so tax the rich....got it.....screw eliminating the reasons people are poor...just give them what they want or get bullied around.....and by the way...fix the subways, roads, schools, infrastructure and everything else....after all the rich take helicopters are live in their castles and point down and laugh at everyone. i have to go back now to reading how i am a awful person for not wanting to give free parking and free passes to the new congestion bills for those that live in NYC subsidized housing....i have a pretty damn good job and even i cant afford a car in NYC....but hey...tax me some more please...
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touchdowntodd
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Donald Trump, by touchdowntodd on Jun 2, 2019 19:55:58 GMT 1, When the upper middle class starts building 2 bedroom houses more often than not, and choosing no children because of affordability it's a viable discussion. Even at lower middle class income in my house, we know we can't afford $4-500 a week for daycare alone plus expenses. So we painfully have to choose to not have children.... Should someone else have the choice simply because they're unable to work ? Honest question.... And even then. Should there be a limit imposed? Seriously, have you ever worked with, hired, handled personal cases, or worked in an environment where you counsel and work with these families? It's difficult to see someone on full assistance having 3,4,5 children, then go home and tell my wife we can't because we are doing our best and working 60-80 hours a week each just to have what options we do have in life... According to your own logic, you could get a job in the trades and be earning six figures within 5 years. You made it sound quite easy and achievable to anyone. If youโre working a combined 140 hours a week between you and struggling to make ends meet, does that not suggest that perhaps itโs not quite as easy as you made it sound?
While I've thought about it, my chrons disease issues over the last few years have hammpered that chance. Also, I'm happy where I am in regards to work. Lots of family in the trades, it's not something I'd enjoy. I'll take happiness over money
No one said struggling, I just said I can't afford an additional 2-3k a month to afford a child with daycare Etc.. I've also gotten to the point in my life where I'm old enough to be happy without.my hours at work are my choice.
Thanks for calling me lazy without asking details, but bailing out those that don't even wanna work lol. Hilarity at it's finest
When the upper middle class starts building 2 bedroom houses more often than not, and choosing no children because of affordability it's a viable discussion. Even at lower middle class income in my house, we know we can't afford $4-500 a week for daycare alone plus expenses. So we painfully have to choose to not have children.... Should someone else have the choice simply because they're unable to work ? Honest question.... And even then. Should there be a limit imposed? Seriously, have you ever worked with, hired, handled personal cases, or worked in an environment where you counsel and work with these families? It's difficult to see someone on full assistance having 3,4,5 children, then go home and tell my wife we can't because we are doing our best and working 60-80 hours a week each just to have what options we do have in life... According to your own logic, you could get a job in the trades and be earning six figures within 5 years. You made it sound quite easy and achievable to anyone. If youโre working a combined 140 hours a week between you and struggling to make ends meet, does that not suggest that perhaps itโs not quite as easy as you made it sound? While I've thought about it, my chrons disease issues over the last few years have hammpered that chance. Also, I'm happy where I am in regards to work. Lots of family in the trades, it's not something I'd enjoy. I'll take happiness over money No one said struggling, I just said I can't afford an additional 2-3k a month to afford a child with daycare Etc.. I've also gotten to the point in my life where I'm old enough to be happy without.my hours at work are my choice. Thanks for calling me lazy without asking details, but bailing out those that don't even wanna work lol. Hilarity at it's finest
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touchdowntodd
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Donald Trump, by touchdowntodd on Jun 2, 2019 19:57:48 GMT 1, According to your own logic, you could get a job in the trades and be earning six figures within 5 years. You made it sound quite easy and achievable to anyone. If youโre working a combined 140 hours a week between you and struggling to make ends meet, does that not suggest that perhaps itโs not quite as easy as you made it sound? By his logic, hes either a lazy fucker, didnt try hard enough at school or work, or is living way out of his financial means and has no economic common sense. f**kit, im just flipping the table on him.ย
And nice try.... Lmao
I'm 100% debt free including owning my house and 3 cars (2 newer and 1 classic) with 0 debt. I'm actually far from lazy and far from economically ignorant lol
I choose my job, because I get to say I enjoy it everyday
According to your own logic, you could get a job in the trades and be earning six figures within 5 years. You made it sound quite easy and achievable to anyone. If youโre working a combined 140 hours a week between you and struggling to make ends meet, does that not suggest that perhaps itโs not quite as easy as you made it sound? By his logic, hes either a lazy fucker, didnt try hard enough at school or work, or is living way out of his financial means and has no economic common sense. f**kit, im just flipping the table on him.ย And nice try.... Lmao I'm 100% debt free including owning my house and 3 cars (2 newer and 1 classic) with 0 debt. I'm actually far from lazy and far from economically ignorant lol I choose my job, because I get to say I enjoy it everyday
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touchdowntodd
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Donald Trump, by touchdowntodd on Jun 2, 2019 20:01:37 GMT 1, When the upper middle class starts building 2 bedroom houses more often than not, and choosing no children because of affordability it's a viable discussion. Even at lower middle class income in my house, we know we can't afford $4-500 a week for daycare alone plus expenses. So we painfully have to choose to not have children.... Should someone else have the choice simply because they're unable to work ? Honest question.... And even then. Should there be a limit imposed? Seriously, have you ever worked with, hired, handled personal cases, or worked in an environment where you counsel and work with these families? It's difficult to see someone on full assistance having 3,4,5 children, then go home and tell my wife we can't because we are doing our best and working 60-80 hours a week each just to have what options we do have in life... Ok, some friendly advice. If you want kids and you think you can't afford them financially then go with your heart and not your wallet. Find a way. Because if you're waiting until you can genuinely afford kids, you'll be waiting a long time.
I appreciate that whole heartedly. But my parents did that, and I don't want to give children the childhood I had...
Plus "it just works out" isn't logical given daycare expenses (I've no living relatives other than sisters not local, and my wife moved across country so we could have a better life here than in LA, so none of her family here)..
I don't mind going without at this point.. it's the point that not everyone has that "choice" if being logical and responsible..
When the upper middle class starts building 2 bedroom houses more often than not, and choosing no children because of affordability it's a viable discussion. Even at lower middle class income in my house, we know we can't afford $4-500 a week for daycare alone plus expenses. So we painfully have to choose to not have children.... Should someone else have the choice simply because they're unable to work ? Honest question.... And even then. Should there be a limit imposed? Seriously, have you ever worked with, hired, handled personal cases, or worked in an environment where you counsel and work with these families? It's difficult to see someone on full assistance having 3,4,5 children, then go home and tell my wife we can't because we are doing our best and working 60-80 hours a week each just to have what options we do have in life... Ok, some friendly advice. If you want kids and you think you can't afford them financially then go with your heart and not your wallet. Find a way. Because if you're waiting until you can genuinely afford kids, you'll be waiting a long time. I appreciate that whole heartedly. But my parents did that, and I don't want to give children the childhood I had... Plus "it just works out" isn't logical given daycare expenses (I've no living relatives other than sisters not local, and my wife moved across country so we could have a better life here than in LA, so none of her family here).. I don't mind going without at this point.. it's the point that not everyone has that "choice" if being logical and responsible..
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touchdowntodd
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Donald Trump, by touchdowntodd on Jun 2, 2019 20:06:10 GMT 1, I also work so many hours because I just opened a business, and need to clock 40-50 hours a week at my daily job to keep insurance and bill/startup money, and the wife's small company she's at only offers an hsa type plan which is great for retirement, but 5k a month in medication makes it basically worthless as coverage
If only the handouts were for those actually doing something to better themselves lol... But I'd have to make under 1300 a month gross in my state and city combined with wife to get health insurance coverage.. basically would have to not get out of bed lol
I also work so many hours because I just opened a business, and need to clock 40-50 hours a week at my daily job to keep insurance and bill/startup money, and the wife's small company she's at only offers an hsa type plan which is great for retirement, but 5k a month in medication makes it basically worthless as coverage
If only the handouts were for those actually doing something to better themselves lol... But I'd have to make under 1300 a month gross in my state and city combined with wife to get health insurance coverage.. basically would have to not get out of bed lol
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Prive
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Donald Trump, by Prive on Jun 2, 2019 20:08:12 GMT 1, you are still talking the same thing....there needs to be a process to get people off the government tit...because once they are there, they will do (in many cases)anything to stay there...especially when politicians run on it. as the lower class subsidized groups grow at an exponential rate, there is nothing the tax avoidance of the corporations or the rich can do to fix the situation...you are only entitling it to continue...that might seem harsh until you think about it you can bring up Trump as not being transparent on his taxes, just like any american or corporation that makes a great deal of money....corporations such as apple that keep their money offshore...which is one of the most hypocritical things to do considering their public stance on social funding....but even still, increasing the taxable revenue from the rich and the corporations doesn't mean we hit the lottery and can blow it...the money needs to be invested and the return on that investment needs to be policed and tracked. either way....finding a way to pay for things that people should learn to pay for themselves (in a large portion of the cases) is not the solution....feeling entitled to the new iphone or luxury clothing does not make the rest of us racist because you cant afford it....there is a fundamental change that needs to happen to the rules and the mind set that was created all the way back to the depression.... we have created a world where if you dont get educated, dont get a job, dont......the government is expected to carry you...and not till you get on your feet, but for your life and the life of your children...does that seem fair to those of us that work? or does having requirements to receive a handout seem more level headed.....pushing people to get off the system and not stay on it. Do you have any statistics to back up your statements?
What I've been able to find so far is that roughly 25% of US households have received some form of government means-tested assistance, and of that 25%, roughly 60% is off within 3 years. What that leaves us with is roughly 10% of the population that has received government assistance for longer than 3 years (the study only lasted 4 years so no way to know how long that 10% continued drawing assistance). That 10% includes people who, I would argue, have very little ability to change their circumstances (the disabled, the elderly, etc) and so would 'need' to be on government assistance for long periods. So when you're talking about people living on government assistance for years and years, just know you're talking about (probably) low single digit percentage of the population.
Edit: Speaking of low single digits, that is also what I was able to find for the rate of SNAP fraud.
you are still talking the same thing....there needs to be a process to get people off the government tit...because once they are there, they will do (in many cases)anything to stay there...especially when politicians run on it. as the lower class subsidized groups grow at an exponential rate, there is nothing the tax avoidance of the corporations or the rich can do to fix the situation...you are only entitling it to continue...that might seem harsh until you think about it you can bring up Trump as not being transparent on his taxes, just like any american or corporation that makes a great deal of money....corporations such as apple that keep their money offshore...which is one of the most hypocritical things to do considering their public stance on social funding....but even still, increasing the taxable revenue from the rich and the corporations doesn't mean we hit the lottery and can blow it...the money needs to be invested and the return on that investment needs to be policed and tracked. either way....finding a way to pay for things that people should learn to pay for themselves (in a large portion of the cases) is not the solution....feeling entitled to the new iphone or luxury clothing does not make the rest of us racist because you cant afford it....there is a fundamental change that needs to happen to the rules and the mind set that was created all the way back to the depression.... we have created a world where if you dont get educated, dont get a job, dont......the government is expected to carry you...and not till you get on your feet, but for your life and the life of your children...does that seem fair to those of us that work? or does having requirements to receive a handout seem more level headed.....pushing people to get off the system and not stay on it. Do you have any statistics to back up your statements? What I've been able to find so far is that roughly 25% of US households have received some form of government means-tested assistance, and of that 25%, roughly 60% is off within 3 years. What that leaves us with is roughly 10% of the population that has received government assistance for longer than 3 years (the study only lasted 4 years so no way to know how long that 10% continued drawing assistance). That 10% includes people who, I would argue, have very little ability to change their circumstances (the disabled, the elderly, etc) and so would 'need' to be on government assistance for long periods. So when you're talking about people living on government assistance for years and years, just know you're talking about (probably) low single digit percentage of the population. Edit: Speaking of low single digits, that is also what I was able to find for the rate of SNAP fraud.
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k2
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Donald Trump, by k2 on Jun 2, 2019 20:31:25 GMT 1, According to your own logic, you could get a job in the trades and be earning six figures within 5 years. You made it sound quite easy and achievable to anyone. If youโre working a combined 140 hours a week between you and struggling to make ends meet, does that not suggest that perhaps itโs not quite as easy as you made it sound? While I've thought about it, my chrons disease issues over the last few years have hammpered that chance. Also, I'm happy where I am in regards to work. Lots of family in the trades, it's not something I'd enjoy. I'll take happiness over money No one said struggling, I just said I can't afford an additional 2-3k a month to afford a child with daycare Etc.. I've also gotten to the point in my life where I'm old enough to be happy without.my hours at work are my choice. Thanks for calling me lazy without asking details, but bailing out those that don't even wanna work lol. Hilarity at it's finest
I didnโt call you lazy, and I certainly donโt think that.
According to your own logic, you could get a job in the trades and be earning six figures within 5 years. You made it sound quite easy and achievable to anyone. If youโre working a combined 140 hours a week between you and struggling to make ends meet, does that not suggest that perhaps itโs not quite as easy as you made it sound? While I've thought about it, my chrons disease issues over the last few years have hammpered that chance. Also, I'm happy where I am in regards to work. Lots of family in the trades, it's not something I'd enjoy. I'll take happiness over money No one said struggling, I just said I can't afford an additional 2-3k a month to afford a child with daycare Etc.. I've also gotten to the point in my life where I'm old enough to be happy without.my hours at work are my choice. Thanks for calling me lazy without asking details, but bailing out those that don't even wanna work lol. Hilarity at it's finest I didnโt call you lazy, and I certainly donโt think that.
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rebate
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Donald Trump, by rebate on Jun 2, 2019 20:32:30 GMT 1, By his logic, hes either a lazy fucker, didnt try hard enough at school or work, or is living way out of his financial means and has no economic common sense. f**kit, im just flipping the table on him. And nice try.... Lmao I'm 100% debt free including owning my house and 3 cars (2 newer and 1 classic) with 0 debt. I'm actually far from lazy and far from economically ignorant lol I choose my job, because I get to say I enjoy it everyday No nice try about it. Fuck knows what makes you say you cant afford kids, something really just doesnt add up here. Partly the sudden shift from not managing on 80 hours to minted in a convenient heartbeat.
By his logic, hes either a lazy fucker, didnt try hard enough at school or work, or is living way out of his financial means and has no economic common sense. f**kit, im just flipping the table on him. And nice try.... Lmao I'm 100% debt free including owning my house and 3 cars (2 newer and 1 classic) with 0 debt. I'm actually far from lazy and far from economically ignorant lol I choose my job, because I get to say I enjoy it everyday No nice try about it. Fuck knows what makes you say you cant afford kids, something really just doesnt add up here. Partly the sudden shift from not managing on 80 hours to minted in a convenient heartbeat.
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rebate
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Donald Trump, by rebate on Jun 2, 2019 20:33:35 GMT 1, According to your own logic, you could get a job in the trades and be earning six figures within 5 years. You made it sound quite easy and achievable to anyone. If youโre working a combined 140 hours a week between you and struggling to make ends meet, does that not suggest that perhaps itโs not quite as easy as you made it sound? While I've thought about it, my chrons disease issues over the last few years have hammpered that chance. Also, I'm happy where I am in regards to work. Lots of family in the trades, it's not something I'd enjoy. I'll take happiness over money No one said struggling, I just said I can't afford an additional 2-3k a month to afford a child with daycare Etc.. I've also gotten to the point in my life where I'm old enough to be happy without.my hours at work are my choice. Thanks for calling me lazy without asking details, but bailing out those that don't even wanna work lol. Hilarity at it's finest says they guy looking down on anyone that isnt working and assuming they can!
According to your own logic, you could get a job in the trades and be earning six figures within 5 years. You made it sound quite easy and achievable to anyone. If youโre working a combined 140 hours a week between you and struggling to make ends meet, does that not suggest that perhaps itโs not quite as easy as you made it sound? While I've thought about it, my chrons disease issues over the last few years have hammpered that chance. Also, I'm happy where I am in regards to work. Lots of family in the trades, it's not something I'd enjoy. I'll take happiness over money No one said struggling, I just said I can't afford an additional 2-3k a month to afford a child with daycare Etc.. I've also gotten to the point in my life where I'm old enough to be happy without.my hours at work are my choice. Thanks for calling me lazy without asking details, but bailing out those that don't even wanna work lol. Hilarity at it's finest says they guy looking down on anyone that isnt working and assuming they can!
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touchdowntodd
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Donald Trump, by touchdowntodd on Jun 2, 2019 20:35:05 GMT 1, And nice try.... Lmao I'm 100% debt free including owning my house and 3 cars (2 newer and 1 classic) with 0 debt. I'm actually far from lazy and far from economically ignorant lol I choose my job, because I get to say I enjoy it everyday No nice try about it. f**kknows what makes you say you cant afford kids, something really just doesnt add up here. Partly the sudden shift from not managing on 80 hours to minted in a convenient heartbeat.ย
Surely u understand most households can't add a $3k a month bill.. right?
Never said I was broke or rich. I'm middle class, but I live within my means, drive basic daily cars, live in a basic house, cook most days, don't use credit, etc
You know... Responsible. Very unamerican of me I realize
And nice try.... Lmao I'm 100% debt free including owning my house and 3 cars (2 newer and 1 classic) with 0 debt. I'm actually far from lazy and far from economically ignorant lol I choose my job, because I get to say I enjoy it everyday No nice try about it. f**kknows what makes you say you cant afford kids, something really just doesnt add up here. Partly the sudden shift from not managing on 80 hours to minted in a convenient heartbeat.ย Surely u understand most households can't add a $3k a month bill.. right? Never said I was broke or rich. I'm middle class, but I live within my means, drive basic daily cars, live in a basic house, cook most days, don't use credit, etc You know... Responsible. Very unamerican of me I realize
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touchdowntodd
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Donald Trump, by touchdowntodd on Jun 2, 2019 20:36:05 GMT 1, While I've thought about it, my chrons disease issues over the last few years have hammpered that chance. Also, I'm happy where I am in regards to work. Lots of family in the trades, it's not something I'd enjoy. I'll take happiness over money No one said struggling, I just said I can't afford an additional 2-3k a month to afford a child with daycare Etc.. I've also gotten to the point in my life where I'm old enough to be happy without.my hours at work are my choice. Thanks for calling me lazy without asking details, but bailing out those that don't even wanna work lol. Hilarity at it's finest says they guy looking down on anyone that isnt working and assuming they can!ย
Let me know how many families and individuals you personally know on assistance . At minimum a third of my childhood friends and families are on it...
While I've thought about it, my chrons disease issues over the last few years have hammpered that chance. Also, I'm happy where I am in regards to work. Lots of family in the trades, it's not something I'd enjoy. I'll take happiness over money No one said struggling, I just said I can't afford an additional 2-3k a month to afford a child with daycare Etc.. I've also gotten to the point in my life where I'm old enough to be happy without.my hours at work are my choice. Thanks for calling me lazy without asking details, but bailing out those that don't even wanna work lol. Hilarity at it's finest says they guy looking down on anyone that isnt working and assuming they can!ย Let me know how many families and individuals you personally know on assistance . At minimum a third of my childhood friends and families are on it...
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touchdowntodd
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Donald Trump, by touchdowntodd on Jun 2, 2019 20:41:54 GMT 1, While I've thought about it, my chrons disease issues over the last few years have hammpered that chance. Also, I'm happy where I am in regards to work. Lots of family in the trades, it's not something I'd enjoy. I'll take happiness over money No one said struggling, I just said I can't afford an additional 2-3k a month to afford a child with daycare Etc.. I've also gotten to the point in my life where I'm old enough to be happy without.my hours at work are my choice. Thanks for calling me lazy without asking details, but bailing out those that don't even wanna work lol. Hilarity at it's finest says they guy looking down on anyone that isnt working and assuming they can!ย
And pardon me, but I could take full disability for my illness, especially after my 5 surgeries and tremendous bodily changes from them.. as could my wife for a previous back injury... But we want more for ourselves, and pride ourselves in putting forth effort... That's what's missing in most cases.. the choice to take free minimum vs earning your worth and having more..
Obviously elderly and disabled can't work.. but I personally know people on full benefits for asthma, depression, and anxiety.. so u say they couldn't punch a clock somewhere? Laughing so hard... You guys don't know the reality unfortunately. If it were as designed, I'd have no issues. But claiming 1 in 10 people simply don't have the ability to work is rediculous. What kind of example and goal is that putting forth for our youth? So 1 in 10 should never hope to work? My how things change in a country in 50 years
It's glorified, abused, and unrealistically monitored in this country. It's the sad truth
While I've thought about it, my chrons disease issues over the last few years have hammpered that chance. Also, I'm happy where I am in regards to work. Lots of family in the trades, it's not something I'd enjoy. I'll take happiness over money No one said struggling, I just said I can't afford an additional 2-3k a month to afford a child with daycare Etc.. I've also gotten to the point in my life where I'm old enough to be happy without.my hours at work are my choice. Thanks for calling me lazy without asking details, but bailing out those that don't even wanna work lol. Hilarity at it's finest says they guy looking down on anyone that isnt working and assuming they can!ย And pardon me, but I could take full disability for my illness, especially after my 5 surgeries and tremendous bodily changes from them.. as could my wife for a previous back injury... But we want more for ourselves, and pride ourselves in putting forth effort... That's what's missing in most cases.. the choice to take free minimum vs earning your worth and having more.. Obviously elderly and disabled can't work.. but I personally know people on full benefits for asthma, depression, and anxiety.. so u say they couldn't punch a clock somewhere? Laughing so hard... You guys don't know the reality unfortunately. If it were as designed, I'd have no issues. But claiming 1 in 10 people simply don't have the ability to work is rediculous. What kind of example and goal is that putting forth for our youth? So 1 in 10 should never hope to work? My how things change in a country in 50 years It's glorified, abused, and unrealistically monitored in this country. It's the sad truth
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d.r. perseus
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Donald Trump, by d.r. perseus on Jun 2, 2019 20:54:19 GMT 1, says they guy looking down on anyone that isnt working and assuming they can!ย Let me know how many families and individuals you personally know on assistance . At minimum a third of my childhood friends and families are on it...
I literally know not one. Weird how sampling works
says they guy looking down on anyone that isnt working and assuming they can!ย Let me know how many families and individuals you personally know on assistance . At minimum a third of my childhood friends and families are on it... I literally know not one. Weird how sampling works
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irl1
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Donald Trump, by irl1 on Jun 2, 2019 20:57:11 GMT 1, You might be better stopping this for a while before you all get carried away.
You might be better stopping this for a while before you all get carried away.
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rebate
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Donald Trump, by rebate on Jun 2, 2019 20:58:17 GMT 1, No nice try about it. f**kknows what makes you say you cant afford kids, something really just doesnt add up here. Partly the sudden shift from not managing on 80 hours to minted in a convenient heartbeat. Surely u understand most households can't add a $3k a month bill.. right? Never said I was broke or rich. I'm middle class, but I live within my means, drive basic daily cars, live in a basic house, cook most days, don't use credit, etc You know... Responsible. Very unamerican of me I realize Dude, seriously, you have CHOSEN to not have kids, you have CHOSEN to work a shit load of hours. and you are pissed at people that have NOT chosen their position, its beyond making me sick right now. Dont talk of passing down values, you really arent helping anything with your attitude to other people. For someone who has been through a lot, you have little sympathy for unexpected life changes and how they can effect people.
No nice try about it. f**kknows what makes you say you cant afford kids, something really just doesnt add up here. Partly the sudden shift from not managing on 80 hours to minted in a convenient heartbeat. Surely u understand most households can't add a $3k a month bill.. right? Never said I was broke or rich. I'm middle class, but I live within my means, drive basic daily cars, live in a basic house, cook most days, don't use credit, etc You know... Responsible. Very unamerican of me I realize Dude, seriously, you have CHOSEN to not have kids, you have CHOSEN to work a shit load of hours. and you are pissed at people that have NOT chosen their position, its beyond making me sick right now. Dont talk of passing down values, you really arent helping anything with your attitude to other people. For someone who has been through a lot, you have little sympathy for unexpected life changes and how they can effect people.
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rebate
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Donald Trump, by rebate on Jun 2, 2019 20:59:14 GMT 1, I see you are sucking the life out of the forum again rebate i put more in it than i take out. Can you say the same?
I see you are sucking the life out of the forum again rebate i put more in it than i take out. Can you say the same?
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Prive
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Donald Trump, by Prive on Jun 2, 2019 21:03:20 GMT 1, says they guy looking down on anyone that isnt working and assuming they can! And pardon me, but I could take full disability for my illness, especially after my 5 surgeries and tremendous bodily changes from them.. as could my wife for a previous back injury... But we want more for ourselves, and pride ourselves in putting forth effort... That's what's missing in most cases.. the choice to take free minimum vs earning your worth and having more.. Obviously elderly and disabled can't work.. but I personally know people on full benefits for asthma, depression, and anxiety.. so u say they couldn't punch a clock somewhere? Laughing so hard... You guys don't know the reality unfortunately. If it were as designed, I'd have no issues. But claiming 1 in 10 people simply don't have the ability to work is rediculous. What kind of example and goal is that putting forth for our youth? So 1 in 10 should never hope to work? My how things change in a country in 50 years It's glorified, abused, and unrealistically monitored in this country. It's the sad truth I'll make the same point I made to Blanksky regarding his illegal immigrant voter fraud claim: If you have evidence of massive fraud that Republican presidents' task forces have somehow missed, please present it.
says they guy looking down on anyone that isnt working and assuming they can! And pardon me, but I could take full disability for my illness, especially after my 5 surgeries and tremendous bodily changes from them.. as could my wife for a previous back injury... But we want more for ourselves, and pride ourselves in putting forth effort... That's what's missing in most cases.. the choice to take free minimum vs earning your worth and having more.. Obviously elderly and disabled can't work.. but I personally know people on full benefits for asthma, depression, and anxiety.. so u say they couldn't punch a clock somewhere? Laughing so hard... You guys don't know the reality unfortunately. If it were as designed, I'd have no issues. But claiming 1 in 10 people simply don't have the ability to work is rediculous. What kind of example and goal is that putting forth for our youth? So 1 in 10 should never hope to work? My how things change in a country in 50 years It's glorified, abused, and unrealistically monitored in this country. It's the sad truth I'll make the same point I made to Blanksky regarding his illegal immigrant voter fraud claim: If you have evidence of massive fraud that Republican presidents' task forces have somehow missed, please present it.
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walfredo
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Donald Trump, by walfredo on Jun 2, 2019 21:09:27 GMT 1, you are still talking the same thing....there needs to be a process to get people off the government tit...because once they are there, they will do (in many cases)anything to stay there...especially when politicians run on it. as the lower class subsidized groups grow at an exponential rate, there is nothing the tax avoidance of the corporations or the rich can do to fix the situation...you are only entitling it to continue...that might seem harsh until you think about it you can bring up Trump as not being transparent on his taxes, just like any american or corporation that makes a great deal of money....corporations such as apple that keep their money offshore...which is one of the most hypocritical things to do considering their public stance on social funding....but even still, increasing the taxable revenue from the rich and the corporations doesn't mean we hit the lottery and can blow it...the money needs to be invested and the return on that investment needs to be policed and tracked. either way....finding a way to pay for things that people should learn to pay for themselves (in a large portion of the cases) is not the solution....feeling entitled to the new iphone or luxury clothing does not make the rest of us racist because you cant afford it....there is a fundamental change that needs to happen to the rules and the mind set that was created all the way back to the depression.... we have created a world where if you dont get educated, dont get a job, dont......the government is expected to carry you...and not till you get on your feet, but for your life and the life of your children...does that seem fair to those of us that work? or does having requirements to receive a handout seem more level headed.....pushing people to get off the system and not stay on it. Do you have any statistics to back up your statements? What I've been able to find so far is that roughly 25% of US households have received some form of government means-tested assistance, and of that 25%, roughly 60% is off within 3 years. What that leaves us with is roughly 10% of the population that has received government assistance for longer than 3 years (the study only lasted 4 years so no way to know how long that 10% continued drawing assistance). That 10% includes people who, I would argue, have very little ability to change their circumstances (the disabled, the elderly, etc) and so would 'need' to be on government assistance for long periods. So when you're talking about people living on government assistance for years and years, just know you're talking about (probably) low single digit percentage of the population. Edit: Speaking of low single digits, that is also what I was able to find for the rate of SNAP fraud. the numbers that i am speaking to are available, but a lot of it is hidden beyond housing...and there is soooo much more (insurance, heathcare, parking, rail tickets, food, child support, nursery service, internet, etc).....i can assure you a family living in the housing authorities of a major city are not on the program for 3 years...these are generational....
i am a life long nomad....as the rent increases of the cost of living increases i have to move to what my job can afford....is there something wrong with everyone doing that? it seems many feel entitled to more than they positioned themselves to afford....and thats what the politicians are running on.
am i saying these are lazy people....no...am i saying these are people that dont have the means to do better than what the cities would give them for free.....yes...thats the issue. these are services well beyond unemployment or things that are temporary due to unforeseen circumstances. These are people that are using the system to thrive without giving back....and now its expanding to illegals
as i said earlier to your point...public funding is a safety net...public funding as a way of life should not be...
you are still talking the same thing....there needs to be a process to get people off the government tit...because once they are there, they will do (in many cases)anything to stay there...especially when politicians run on it. as the lower class subsidized groups grow at an exponential rate, there is nothing the tax avoidance of the corporations or the rich can do to fix the situation...you are only entitling it to continue...that might seem harsh until you think about it you can bring up Trump as not being transparent on his taxes, just like any american or corporation that makes a great deal of money....corporations such as apple that keep their money offshore...which is one of the most hypocritical things to do considering their public stance on social funding....but even still, increasing the taxable revenue from the rich and the corporations doesn't mean we hit the lottery and can blow it...the money needs to be invested and the return on that investment needs to be policed and tracked. either way....finding a way to pay for things that people should learn to pay for themselves (in a large portion of the cases) is not the solution....feeling entitled to the new iphone or luxury clothing does not make the rest of us racist because you cant afford it....there is a fundamental change that needs to happen to the rules and the mind set that was created all the way back to the depression.... we have created a world where if you dont get educated, dont get a job, dont......the government is expected to carry you...and not till you get on your feet, but for your life and the life of your children...does that seem fair to those of us that work? or does having requirements to receive a handout seem more level headed.....pushing people to get off the system and not stay on it. Do you have any statistics to back up your statements? What I've been able to find so far is that roughly 25% of US households have received some form of government means-tested assistance, and of that 25%, roughly 60% is off within 3 years. What that leaves us with is roughly 10% of the population that has received government assistance for longer than 3 years (the study only lasted 4 years so no way to know how long that 10% continued drawing assistance). That 10% includes people who, I would argue, have very little ability to change their circumstances (the disabled, the elderly, etc) and so would 'need' to be on government assistance for long periods. So when you're talking about people living on government assistance for years and years, just know you're talking about (probably) low single digit percentage of the population. Edit: Speaking of low single digits, that is also what I was able to find for the rate of SNAP fraud. the numbers that i am speaking to are available, but a lot of it is hidden beyond housing...and there is soooo much more (insurance, heathcare, parking, rail tickets, food, child support, nursery service, internet, etc).....i can assure you a family living in the housing authorities of a major city are not on the program for 3 years...these are generational.... i am a life long nomad....as the rent increases of the cost of living increases i have to move to what my job can afford....is there something wrong with everyone doing that? it seems many feel entitled to more than they positioned themselves to afford....and thats what the politicians are running on. am i saying these are lazy people....no...am i saying these are people that dont have the means to do better than what the cities would give them for free.....yes...thats the issue. these are services well beyond unemployment or things that are temporary due to unforeseen circumstances. These are people that are using the system to thrive without giving back....and now its expanding to illegals as i said earlier to your point...public funding is a safety net...public funding as a way of life should not be...
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Prive
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Donald Trump, by Prive on Jun 2, 2019 21:17:34 GMT 1, Do you have any statistics to back up your statements? the numbers that i am speaking to are available, but a lot of it is hidden beyond housing...and there is soooo much more (insurance, heathcare, parking, rail tickets, food, child support, nursery service, internet, etc).....i can assure you a family living in the housing authorities of a major city are not on the program for 3 years...these are generational.... i am a life long nomad....as the rent increases of the cost of living increases i have to move to what my job can afford....is there something wrong with everyone doing that? it seems many feel entitled to more than they positioned themselves to afford....and thats what the politicians are running on. am i saying these are lazy people....no...am i saying these are people that dont have the means to do better than what the cities would give them for free.....yes...thats the issue. these are services well beyond unemployment or things that are temporary due to unforeseen circumstances. These are people that are using the system to thrive without giving back....and now its expanding to illegals as i said earlier to your point...public funding is a safety net...public funding as a way of life should not be... The statistics I quoted were pretty all encompassing for goverment means-tested assistance. Housing, food, health care, etc.
I think we completely agree that these programs should be safety nets not hammocks as you put it. Where we disagree is with the scope of the problem.
Do you have any statistics to back up your statements? the numbers that i am speaking to are available, but a lot of it is hidden beyond housing...and there is soooo much more (insurance, heathcare, parking, rail tickets, food, child support, nursery service, internet, etc).....i can assure you a family living in the housing authorities of a major city are not on the program for 3 years...these are generational.... i am a life long nomad....as the rent increases of the cost of living increases i have to move to what my job can afford....is there something wrong with everyone doing that? it seems many feel entitled to more than they positioned themselves to afford....and thats what the politicians are running on. am i saying these are lazy people....no...am i saying these are people that dont have the means to do better than what the cities would give them for free.....yes...thats the issue. these are services well beyond unemployment or things that are temporary due to unforeseen circumstances. These are people that are using the system to thrive without giving back....and now its expanding to illegals as i said earlier to your point...public funding is a safety net...public funding as a way of life should not be... The statistics I quoted were pretty all encompassing for goverment means-tested assistance. Housing, food, health care, etc. I think we completely agree that these programs should be safety nets not hammocks as you put it. Where we disagree is with the scope of the problem.
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walfredo
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Donald Trump, by walfredo on Jun 2, 2019 21:38:20 GMT 1, the numbers that i am speaking to are available, but a lot of it is hidden beyond housing...and there is soooo much more (insurance, heathcare, parking, rail tickets, food, child support, nursery service, internet, etc).....i can assure you a family living in the housing authorities of a major city are not on the program for 3 years...these are generational.... i am a life long nomad....as the rent increases of the cost of living increases i have to move to what my job can afford....is there something wrong with everyone doing that? it seems many feel entitled to more than they positioned themselves to afford....and thats what the politicians are running on. am i saying these are lazy people....no...am i saying these are people that dont have the means to do better than what the cities would give them for free.....yes...thats the issue. these are services well beyond unemployment or things that are temporary due to unforeseen circumstances. These are people that are using the system to thrive without giving back....and now its expanding to illegals as i said earlier to your point...public funding is a safety net...public funding as a way of life should not be... The statistics I quoted were pretty all encompassing for goverment means-tested assistance. Housing, food, health care, etc. I think we completely agree that these programs should be safety nets not hammocks as you put it. Where we disagree is with the scope of the problem. be careful with assistance...there is a difference between how everything is categorized for the expressed reason of hiding it....especially when it comes to local assistance vs. national....i am sure what NYC spends and how is not covered in those numbers just the federal
$2bn in NYC on homeless....a year....not including the people living in the the 200k NYCH apartments plus the subsidized apartments
now keep in mind almost $500 million of the 2 billion is spent on hotel rooms...yes...housing homeless permanently in hotels....in midtown....plus the shelters they are building across the city in expensive real estate (purchased from friends of the mayor) for over $60k a year to support....which is more than an average apartment.
and this is ONE CITY.....and they are strengthening the laws so that you cant throw somebody out....which means if you dont pay...they cant get you out or force you to work.
and if your answer is...thats small money for a big city....it doesnt matter...not giving the right help, with the right push to fend for themselves is always wrong. its like saying the city can afford $300 ash trays because whats $300 to a big city...its still not a good return on the investment.
the numbers that i am speaking to are available, but a lot of it is hidden beyond housing...and there is soooo much more (insurance, heathcare, parking, rail tickets, food, child support, nursery service, internet, etc).....i can assure you a family living in the housing authorities of a major city are not on the program for 3 years...these are generational.... i am a life long nomad....as the rent increases of the cost of living increases i have to move to what my job can afford....is there something wrong with everyone doing that? it seems many feel entitled to more than they positioned themselves to afford....and thats what the politicians are running on. am i saying these are lazy people....no...am i saying these are people that dont have the means to do better than what the cities would give them for free.....yes...thats the issue. these are services well beyond unemployment or things that are temporary due to unforeseen circumstances. These are people that are using the system to thrive without giving back....and now its expanding to illegals as i said earlier to your point...public funding is a safety net...public funding as a way of life should not be... The statistics I quoted were pretty all encompassing for goverment means-tested assistance. Housing, food, health care, etc. I think we completely agree that these programs should be safety nets not hammocks as you put it. Where we disagree is with the scope of the problem. be careful with assistance...there is a difference between how everything is categorized for the expressed reason of hiding it....especially when it comes to local assistance vs. national....i am sure what NYC spends and how is not covered in those numbers just the federal $2bn in NYC on homeless....a year....not including the people living in the the 200k NYCH apartments plus the subsidized apartments now keep in mind almost $500 million of the 2 billion is spent on hotel rooms...yes...housing homeless permanently in hotels....in midtown....plus the shelters they are building across the city in expensive real estate (purchased from friends of the mayor) for over $60k a year to support....which is more than an average apartment. and this is ONE CITY.....and they are strengthening the laws so that you cant throw somebody out....which means if you dont pay...they cant get you out or force you to work. and if your answer is...thats small money for a big city....it doesnt matter...not giving the right help, with the right push to fend for themselves is always wrong. its like saying the city can afford $300 ash trays because whats $300 to a big city...its still not a good return on the investment.
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Donald Trump, by Chris JL on Jun 2, 2019 23:09:25 GMT 1, You just temporarily trumped trump in the arsehole sweepstakes. The words you were looking for were "where the disparity between the haves and have nots is enough to make you sick". At least thats the human version of what you said. is the only way for you guys to win a discussion to bash the other person? clearly you dont understand the economics of the situation...or refuse to see it.
No. YOU donโt understand the economics (as well as the rest) of the situation. At all. And thatโs a professional opinion.
You just temporarily trumped trump in the arsehole sweepstakes. The words you were looking for were "where the disparity between the haves and have nots is enough to make you sick". At least thats the human version of what you said. is the only way for you guys to win a discussion to bash the other person? clearly you dont understand the economics of the situation...or refuse to see it. No. YOU donโt understand the economics (as well as the rest) of the situation. At all. And thatโs a professional opinion.
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 23:18:29 GMT 1, Surely u understand most households can't add a $3k a month bill.. right? Never said I was broke or rich. I'm middle class, but I live within my means, drive basic daily cars, live in a basic house, cook most days, don't use credit, etc You know... Responsible. Very unamerican of me I realize Dude, seriously, you have CHOSEN to not have kids, you have CHOSEN to work as**t load of hours. and you are pissed at people that have NOT chosen their position, its beyond making me sick right now. Dont talk of passing down values, you really arent helping anything with your attitude to other people. For someone who has been through a lot, you have little sympathy for unexpected life changes and how they can effect people. For someone who has been through a lot, he hasn't descended into big government boohoo I'm so sad give me money I'm so oppressed socialist rhetoric but has decided to make the best of his situation and work for his own future.
If that's making you sick, please move to Venezuela and try to get a position high in the government there, you seem perfectly suited for it.
I for one applaud his attitude and I wish more people would.
Surely u understand most households can't add a $3k a month bill.. right? Never said I was broke or rich. I'm middle class, but I live within my means, drive basic daily cars, live in a basic house, cook most days, don't use credit, etc You know... Responsible. Very unamerican of me I realize Dude, seriously, you have CHOSEN to not have kids, you have CHOSEN to work as**t load of hours. and you are pissed at people that have NOT chosen their position, its beyond making me sick right now. Dont talk of passing down values, you really arent helping anything with your attitude to other people. For someone who has been through a lot, you have little sympathy for unexpected life changes and how they can effect people. For someone who has been through a lot, he hasn't descended into big government boohoo I'm so sad give me money I'm so oppressed socialist rhetoric but has decided to make the best of his situation and work for his own future. If that's making you sick, please move to Venezuela and try to get a position high in the government there, you seem perfectly suited for it. I for one applaud his attitude and I wish more people would.
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 23:20:16 GMT 1, is the only way for you guys to win a discussion to bash the other person? clearly you dont understand the economics of the situation...or refuse to see it. No. YOU donโt understand the economics (as well as the rest) of the situation. At all. And thatโs a professional opinion. no you
is the only way for you guys to win a discussion to bash the other person? clearly you dont understand the economics of the situation...or refuse to see it. No. YOU donโt understand the economics (as well as the rest) of the situation. At all. And thatโs a professional opinion. no you
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Donald Trump, by rebate on Jun 2, 2019 23:40:40 GMT 1, Dude, seriously, you have CHOSEN to not have kids, you have CHOSEN to work as**t load of hours. and you are pissed at people that have NOT chosen their position, its beyond making me sick right now. Dont talk of passing down values, you really arent helping anything with your attitude to other people. For someone who has been through a lot, you have little sympathy for unexpected life changes and how they can effect people. For someone who has been through a lot, he hasn't descended into big government boohoo I'm so sad give me money I'm so oppressed socialist rhetoric but has decided to make the best of his situation and work for his own future. If that's making you sick, please move to Venezuela and try to get a position high in the government there, you seem perfectly suited for it. I for one applaud his attitude and I wish more people would. Well, lets hope you never find yourself in a position of needing the help then. As you obviously wont be able to justify using it will you. I mean, it CANT happen to you, can it.
Dude, seriously, you have CHOSEN to not have kids, you have CHOSEN to work as**t load of hours. and you are pissed at people that have NOT chosen their position, its beyond making me sick right now. Dont talk of passing down values, you really arent helping anything with your attitude to other people. For someone who has been through a lot, you have little sympathy for unexpected life changes and how they can effect people. For someone who has been through a lot, he hasn't descended into big government boohoo I'm so sad give me money I'm so oppressed socialist rhetoric but has decided to make the best of his situation and work for his own future. If that's making you sick, please move to Venezuela and try to get a position high in the government there, you seem perfectly suited for it. I for one applaud his attitude and I wish more people would. Well, lets hope you never find yourself in a position of needing the help then. As you obviously wont be able to justify using it will you. I mean, it CANT happen to you, can it.
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Donald Trump, by rebate on Jun 2, 2019 23:51:37 GMT 1, Well, lets hope you never find yourself in a position of needing the help then. As you obviously wont be able to justify using it will you. I mean, it CANT happen to you, can it. Ask him about his socialist health care ๐ He will probably say he has private so doesnt use it and therefore it isnt needed.
Well, lets hope you never find yourself in a position of needing the help then. As you obviously wont be able to justify using it will you. I mean, it CANT happen to you, can it. Ask him about his socialist health care ๐ He will probably say he has private so doesnt use it and therefore it isnt needed.
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Donald Trump, by Hairbland on Jun 2, 2019 23:57:33 GMT 1, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilateral_Commission
The canard about anyone caring about the middle class is well past itโs shelf date. The guys you think are f$cking things up are just the talking heads picked.
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 0:04:02 GMT 1, Ask him about his socialist health care ๐ He will probably say he has private so doesnt use it and therefore it isnt needed. I wish, in the Netherlands we have mandatory healthcare insurance which created a sort of fake open market where insurers can't really compete. Also we have long waiting lists for medical procedures, I needed to get my heart checked out recently and had to wait for 3 weeks before there was an open spot in a hospital near me.
I wish we had the option for private healthcare.
Ask him about his socialist health care ๐ He will probably say he has private so doesnt use it and therefore it isnt needed. I wish, in the Netherlands we have mandatory healthcare insurance which created a sort of fake open market where insurers can't really compete. Also we have long waiting lists for medical procedures, I needed to get my heart checked out recently and had to wait for 3 weeks before there was an open spot in a hospital near me. I wish we had the option for private healthcare.
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Donald Trump, by walfredo on Jun 3, 2019 0:15:44 GMT 1, is the only way for you guys to win a discussion to bash the other person? clearly you dont understand the economics of the situation...or refuse to see it. No. YOU donโt understand the economics (as well as the rest) of the situation. At all. And thatโs a professional opinion. well that settles it...you said you have a professional opinion...i stand corrected...jesus...u should work for cnn and their breaking news headline department
is the only way for you guys to win a discussion to bash the other person? clearly you dont understand the economics of the situation...or refuse to see it. No. YOU donโt understand the economics (as well as the rest) of the situation. At all. And thatโs a professional opinion. well that settles it...you said you have a professional opinion...i stand corrected...jesus...u should work for cnn and their breaking news headline department
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Donald Trump, by Eton Groover on Jun 3, 2019 7:20:06 GMT 1, He will probably say he has private so doesnt use it and therefore it isnt needed.ย I wish, in the Netherlands we have mandatory healthcare insurance which created a sort of fake open market where insurers can't really compete. Also we have long waiting lists for medical procedures, I needed to get my heart checked out recently and had to wait for 3 weeks before there was an open spot in a hospital near me. I wish we had the option for private healthcare.
What were they checking for? To see if you had one?
He will probably say he has private so doesnt use it and therefore it isnt needed.ย I wish, in the Netherlands we have mandatory healthcare insurance which created a sort of fake open market where insurers can't really compete. Also we have long waiting lists for medical procedures, I needed to get my heart checked out recently and had to wait for 3 weeks before there was an open spot in a hospital near me. I wish we had the option for private healthcare. What were they checking for? To see if you had one?
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 11:36:35 GMT 1, I thought this was funny. It's only 40 seconds long but quite revealing about Donald Trump. I've always suspected he has a rather low opinion of the people who actually vote for him.
www.bbc.co.uk/events/e26gfx/play/p07c0tm7
I thought this was funny. It's only 40 seconds long but quite revealing about Donald Trump. I've always suspected he has a rather low opinion of the people who actually vote for him. www.bbc.co.uk/events/e26gfx/play/p07c0tm7
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