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Real art collectors , by South Bound on Aug 30, 2014 23:06:35 GMT 1, Who are these big boys?. I know theres another forum that some are on from here which is more to do with investing etc..
Would be interested in seeing this, I am sure it is out of my current league... But tips are tips.
Who are these big boys?. I know theres another forum that some are on from here which is more to do with investing etc.. Would be interested in seeing this, I am sure it is out of my current league... But tips are tips.
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Real art collectors , by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 23:06:35 GMT 1, Who are these big boys?. I know theres another forum that some are on from here which is more to do with investing etc.. Lol thats crazy talk
Who are these big boys?. I know theres another forum that some are on from here which is more to do with investing etc.. Lol thats crazy talk
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Real art collectors , by South Bound on Aug 30, 2014 23:07:48 GMT 1, Having had the misfortune to read the entirety of this thread, it is obvious why so many older members have left this forum in droves over the last couple of years. This place has become so full of sniping and bullying by people that have no interest in the art itself, only in how much things are worth and how they can manipulate outcomes to their own ends.
Not all are... I'm trying here, I'm trying.
Having had the misfortune to read the entirety of this thread, it is obvious why so many older members have left this forum in droves over the last couple of years. This place has become so full of sniping and bullying by people that have no interest in the art itself, only in how much things are worth and how they can manipulate outcomes to their own ends. Not all are... I'm trying here, I'm trying.
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Real art collectors , by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 23:08:57 GMT 1, Who are these big boys?. I know theres another forum that some are on from here which is more to do with investing etc.. Would be interested in seeing this, I am sure it is out of my current league... But tips are tips. I cant remember what its called, someone told me about it 6 months or so back, said it was more for the investment side, not my cup of tea though so didnt bother.
Maybe someone will know?.
Who are these big boys?. I know theres another forum that some are on from here which is more to do with investing etc.. Would be interested in seeing this, I am sure it is out of my current league... But tips are tips. I cant remember what its called, someone told me about it 6 months or so back, said it was more for the investment side, not my cup of tea though so didnt bother. Maybe someone will know?.
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Real art collectors , by BKBOI on Aug 30, 2014 23:09:44 GMT 1, A true art collector values his collection based on the enjoyment of the works he/she has acquired through the years.
As a human being though, I will in all honestly say that it is nice to own something that is desired by other people too.
A true art collector values his collection based on the enjoyment of the works he/she has acquired through the years.
As a human being though, I will in all honestly say that it is nice to own something that is desired by other people too.
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Real art collectors , by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 23:10:55 GMT 1, Hi Wiz Yes there is but also this is more of an observation through discussions , maybe further than just Banksy Does it not impress you when you see some guys on here talk about their latest purchase or their desires to buy an artist that is affordable to most ? But maybe not them ? I have spoken with guys that would save for a year to buy something that a lot on here would buy in a day So it is so frustrating when I see and hear the so called elite mocking said collectors ! If it wasn't for their good fortune with Banksy most would be in the same boat and would they save week on week to buy the artist they love ? As we all did/do? That's the discussion
Hi Wiz Yes there is but also this is more of an observation through discussions , maybe further than just Banksy Does it not impress you when you see some guys on here talk about their latest purchase or their desires to buy an artist that is affordable to most ? But maybe not them ? I have spoken with guys that would save for a year to buy something that a lot on here would buy in a day So it is so frustrating when I see and hear the so called elite mocking said collectors ! If it wasn't for their good fortune with Banksy most would be in the same boat and would they save week on week to buy the artist they love ? As we all did/do? That's the discussion
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South Bound
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Real art collectors , by South Bound on Aug 30, 2014 23:16:18 GMT 1, I just don't let that stuff get to me. It is all in good fun for me, I've know to many big $ dogs That crash and burn to take the opinions seriously.
It is more fun to work with the creative geniuses than to own the work.
Have had the opportunity many times and it is completely true.
I just don't let that stuff get to me. It is all in good fun for me, I've know to many big $ dogs That crash and burn to take the opinions seriously.
It is more fun to work with the creative geniuses than to own the work.
Have had the opportunity many times and it is completely true.
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Real art collectors , by Sundowner on Aug 30, 2014 23:17:32 GMT 1, Hi Wiz Yes there is but also this is more of an observation through discussions , maybe further than just Banksy Does it not impress you when you see some guys on here talk about their latest purchase or their desires to buy an artist that is affordable to most ? But maybe not them ? I have spoken with guys that would save for a year to buy something that a lot on here would buy in a day So it is so frustrating when I see and hear the so called elite mocking said collectors ! If it wasn't for their good fortune with Banksy most would be in the same boat and would they save week on week to buy the artist they love ? As we all did/do? That's the discussion I'm intrigued to know which "collectors" have rattled your cage enough for you to have a rant about this.....
Hi Wiz Yes there is but also this is more of an observation through discussions , maybe further than just Banksy Does it not impress you when you see some guys on here talk about their latest purchase or their desires to buy an artist that is affordable to most ? But maybe not them ? I have spoken with guys that would save for a year to buy something that a lot on here would buy in a day So it is so frustrating when I see and hear the so called elite mocking said collectors ! If it wasn't for their good fortune with Banksy most would be in the same boat and would they save week on week to buy the artist they love ? As we all did/do? That's the discussion I'm intrigued to know which "collectors" have rattled your cage enough for you to have a rant about this.....
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Real art collectors , by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 23:26:07 GMT 1, Sundowner I like the people you mention have come to the end of my time on this forum. I have been on here for over 6 years and have decided that it ain't for collectors anymore or sellers / traders It is full of fraudsters and egotistical maniacs that love checking the value of their art I know as I have met and discussed this with them , it's funny as I see the forum names comment on this and other posts , they have their own agendas , their own forums and their own little elite club yet they really do know nothing about art ! Nothing !! They don't know their Picasso from their Pannini !
Sundowner I like the people you mention have come to the end of my time on this forum. I have been on here for over 6 years and have decided that it ain't for collectors anymore or sellers / traders It is full of fraudsters and egotistical maniacs that love checking the value of their art I know as I have met and discussed this with them , it's funny as I see the forum names comment on this and other posts , they have their own agendas , their own forums and their own little elite club yet they really do know nothing about art ! Nothing !! They don't know their Picasso from their Pannini !
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Real art collectors , by jayTown on Aug 30, 2014 23:34:04 GMT 1, Dude you shouldn't let this s**t get to you so much. If all the proper art lovers leave this forum then we're buggered.
For the record. I love art. I don't own one banksy. But I also like the the fact that art holds a value. I'm about to do a ring fund soon and if my pieces were worth nothing I'd be buggered.
Dude you shouldn't let this s**t get to you so much. If all the proper art lovers leave this forum then we're buggered.
For the record. I love art. I don't own one banksy. But I also like the the fact that art holds a value. I'm about to do a ring fund soon and if my pieces were worth nothing I'd be buggered.
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Real art collectors , by curiousgeorge on Aug 30, 2014 23:37:25 GMT 1, Give us a heads up on the fraudsters you've met and chatted with please
Give us a heads up on the fraudsters you've met and chatted with please
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BKBOI
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Real art collectors , by BKBOI on Aug 30, 2014 23:41:57 GMT 1, Sundowner I like the people you mention have come to the end of my time on this forum. I have been on here for over 6 years and have decided that it ain't for collectors anymore or sellers / traders It is full of fraudsters and egotistical maniacs that love checking the value of their art I know as I have met and discussed this with them , it's funny as I see the forum names comment on this and other posts , they have their own agendas , their own forums and their own little elite club yet they really do know nothing about art ! Nothing !! They don't know their Picasso from their Pannini ! Being one of the people who know and appreciate art, it will be a loss to the community to give up just because some people irked you in this forum. As with everything in life, there is always the good and the bad side and the art world is no exception.
Sundowner I like the people you mention have come to the end of my time on this forum. I have been on here for over 6 years and have decided that it ain't for collectors anymore or sellers / traders It is full of fraudsters and egotistical maniacs that love checking the value of their art I know as I have met and discussed this with them , it's funny as I see the forum names comment on this and other posts , they have their own agendas , their own forums and their own little elite club yet they really do know nothing about art ! Nothing !! They don't know their Picasso from their Pannini ! Being one of the people who know and appreciate art, it will be a loss to the community to give up just because some people irked you in this forum. As with everything in life, there is always the good and the bad side and the art world is no exception.
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Real art collectors , by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 23:49:09 GMT 1, Give us a heads up on the fraudsters you've met and chatted with please Wiz, coach, quinnster, mouser, johnnyh, plip(sorry dr plip), grahamh, drwhite, dbm, dungle and many more are complete scoundrels.....beware!!!! Sorry i misread the post
Give us a heads up on the fraudsters you've met and chatted with please Wiz, coach, quinnster, mouser, johnnyh, plip(sorry dr plip), grahamh, drwhite, dbm, dungle and many more are complete scoundrels.....beware!!!! Sorry i misread the post
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Real art collectors , by Black Apple Art on Aug 30, 2014 23:50:22 GMT 1, I actually find there to be some amazing people here and don't for a second let the "others" detract from the experience or value of the forum. I have met some truly great souls and learned so much here and continue to do so. Of course am a collector and art fanatic at heart and is the purpose I started doing what I'm doing. I also feel there is a sub-forum collective of top notch gents that thrive on this passion for the art and generously share their knowledge and art that many don't get the privilege to own let alone even see. I think like most things the good will always come with some not so good but I find the positive here exponentially outweighs the negative.
I actually find there to be some amazing people here and don't for a second let the "others" detract from the experience or value of the forum. I have met some truly great souls and learned so much here and continue to do so. Of course am a collector and art fanatic at heart and is the purpose I started doing what I'm doing. I also feel there is a sub-forum collective of top notch gents that thrive on this passion for the art and generously share their knowledge and art that many don't get the privilege to own let alone even see. I think like most things the good will always come with some not so good but I find the positive here exponentially outweighs the negative.
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Real art collectors , by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 23:55:14 GMT 1, who is this 'clique' or 'subforum collective'?, is there one?.
scratch that, cant be bothered, its their gig, leave em to it.
who is this 'clique' or 'subforum collective'?, is there one?.
scratch that, cant be bothered, its their gig, leave em to it.
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Real art collectors , by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 23:58:41 GMT 1, who is this 'clique' or 'subforum collective'?, is there one?. scratch that, cant be bothered, its their gig, leave em to it. I just listed some of them Edit only jokin in case anyone thinks im serious
who is this 'clique' or 'subforum collective'?, is there one?. scratch that, cant be bothered, its their gig, leave em to it. I just listed some of them Edit only jokin in case anyone thinks im serious
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Real art collectors , by Coach on Aug 31, 2014 0:27:06 GMT 1, Give us a heads up on the fraudsters you've met and chatted with please Wiz, coach, quinnster, mouser, plip(sorry dr plip), grahamh, drwhite, dbm, dungle and many more are complete scoundrels.....beware!!!! Sorry i misread the post
Huh? I'm only in it for the money. And to fund my corgi collection. Outed!
Give us a heads up on the fraudsters you've met and chatted with please Wiz, coach, quinnster, mouser, plip(sorry dr plip), grahamh, drwhite, dbm, dungle and many more are complete scoundrels.....beware!!!! Sorry i misread the post Huh? I'm only in it for the money. And to fund my corgi collection. Outed!
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Real art collectors , by iamzero on Aug 31, 2014 0:31:25 GMT 1, I'd like to think I know a little about art and I definitely know what I like. I don't own a Banksy and like many on here missed the boat and didn't buy when I thought they were overpriced and now they're even higher because of investment nobheads. Part of the the problem has been galleries posing as members on here and the new breed that earn far too much money in that fancy London that can afford to overspend on a Nola. People then panic buy unsigned which then pushes those up.
I buy other stuff that I love dearly, Mau Mau, Charming Baker, Micallef, Eine, Blake and others but as a huge Banksy fan it pains me that I will possibly never own a holy grail print by him due to the way the market has risen. I managed to get the ยฃ2k I needed to get a Trolleys and they went unto ยฃ3k. I eventually found the extra funds and the price edged away again. Just bad timing in my part I guess?
I'd like to think I know a little about art and I definitely know what I like. I don't own a Banksy and like many on here missed the boat and didn't buy when I thought they were overpriced and now they're even higher because of investment nobheads. Part of the the problem has been galleries posing as members on here and the new breed that earn far too much money in that fancy London that can afford to overspend on a Nola. People then panic buy unsigned which then pushes those up.
I buy other stuff that I love dearly, Mau Mau, Charming Baker, Micallef, Eine, Blake and others but as a huge Banksy fan it pains me that I will possibly never own a holy grail print by him due to the way the market has risen. I managed to get the ยฃ2k I needed to get a Trolleys and they went unto ยฃ3k. I eventually found the extra funds and the price edged away again. Just bad timing in my part I guess?
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Real art collectors , by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 0:36:53 GMT 1, you may be an opiniated t**t, but its worth hanging in here to add a bit of perspective on things.persoanlly, there is alot of crap art on here that I just cant get my head around - but thats maybe cos I am an opiniated t**t - at least its being produced and it may turn someones eye to other artists that do not have the must have appeal of a banksy.
you may be an opiniated t**t, but its worth hanging in here to add a bit of perspective on things.persoanlly, there is alot of crap art on here that I just cant get my head around - but thats maybe cos I am an opiniated t**t - at least its being produced and it may turn someones eye to other artists that do not have the must have appeal of a banksy.
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Real art collectors , by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 0:57:10 GMT 1, Burp
Burp
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Black Apple Art
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Real art collectors , by Black Apple Art on Aug 31, 2014 1:03:23 GMT 1, I'd like to think I know a little about art and I definitely know what I like. I don't own a Banksy and like many on here missed the boat and didn't buy when I thought they were overpriced and now they're even higher because of investment nobheads. Part of the the problem has been galleries posing as members on here and the new breed that earn far too much money in that fancy London that can afford to overspend on a Nola. People then panic buy unsigned which then pushes those up. I buy other stuff that I love dearly, Mau Mau, Charming Baker, Micallef, Eine, Blake and others but as a huge Banksy fan it pains me that I will possibly never own a holy grail print by him due to the way the market has risen. I managed to get the ยฃ2k I needed to get a Trolleys and they went unto ยฃ3k. I eventually found the extra funds and the price edged away again. Just bad timing in my part I guess? While I can understand the frustration of many who have missed the lower Banksy prices and or feel regret for not purchasing earlier, I don't think it's reasonable to blame any specific group or attribute it to a undeserved price pop or "bubble". Bottom line is you have arguably the most famous urban artist in the world who has a very limited amount of available work out there with an ever increasing demand. Is there another living artist with this type of demand uptrend that has not released anything officially in 4 years? Also let's not forget October with his month long campaign which could have easily brought millions more into the game of seeking his work again with nothing additional in supply as most every other artist would do after such an event. A classic example of supply and demand, no mystery here.
I'd like to think I know a little about art and I definitely know what I like. I don't own a Banksy and like many on here missed the boat and didn't buy when I thought they were overpriced and now they're even higher because of investment nobheads. Part of the the problem has been galleries posing as members on here and the new breed that earn far too much money in that fancy London that can afford to overspend on a Nola. People then panic buy unsigned which then pushes those up. I buy other stuff that I love dearly, Mau Mau, Charming Baker, Micallef, Eine, Blake and others but as a huge Banksy fan it pains me that I will possibly never own a holy grail print by him due to the way the market has risen. I managed to get the ยฃ2k I needed to get a Trolleys and they went unto ยฃ3k. I eventually found the extra funds and the price edged away again. Just bad timing in my part I guess? While I can understand the frustration of many who have missed the lower Banksy prices and or feel regret for not purchasing earlier, I don't think it's reasonable to blame any specific group or attribute it to a undeserved price pop or "bubble". Bottom line is you have arguably the most famous urban artist in the world who has a very limited amount of available work out there with an ever increasing demand. Is there another living artist with this type of demand uptrend that has not released anything officially in 4 years? Also let's not forget October with his month long campaign which could have easily brought millions more into the game of seeking his work again with nothing additional in supply as most every other artist would do after such an event. A classic example of supply and demand, no mystery here.
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Real art collectors , by mmmike on Aug 31, 2014 1:12:45 GMT 1, While I can dig Duschamp and the concept that art is not necessarily an image but an idea encased in an image (or object) such as a urinal, my preference always leans towards those who have mad skills and mad intellect that they can only exhibit through their painting or sculpture no matter how basic or complex. I just woke up so my statement is as foggy as my brain... I apologize . I know you just woke up so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not implying Eine is a better painter than Duschamp was.
I know art is subjective and all but come on.
While I can dig Duschamp and the concept that art is not necessarily an image but an idea encased in an image (or object) such as a urinal, my preference always leans towards those who have mad skills and mad intellect that they can only exhibit through their painting or sculpture no matter how basic or complex. I just woke up so my statement is as foggy as my brain... I apologize . I know you just woke up so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not implying Eine is a better painter than Duschamp was. I know art is subjective and all but come on.
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Real art collectors , by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 1:16:55 GMT 1, Wiz, coach, quinnster, mouser, plip(sorry dr plip), grahamh, drwhite, dbm, dungle and many more are complete scoundrels.....beware!!!! Sorry i misread the post Huh? I'm only in it for the money. And to fund my corgi collection. Outed! do you really have corgis? if so then we are mates for life. Both my pups are half corgi, so between the two of them I've got one full corgi
Wiz, coach, quinnster, mouser, plip(sorry dr plip), grahamh, drwhite, dbm, dungle and many more are complete scoundrels.....beware!!!! Sorry i misread the post Huh? I'm only in it for the money. And to fund my corgi collection. Outed! do you really have corgis? if so then we are mates for life. Both my pups are half corgi, so between the two of them I've got one full corgi
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Real art collectors , by South Bound on Aug 31, 2014 1:21:02 GMT 1, While I can dig Duschamp and the concept that art is not necessarily an image but an idea encased in an image (or object) such as a urinal, my preference always leans towards those who have mad skills and mad intellect that they can only exhibit through their painting or sculpture no matter how basic or complex. I just woke up so my statement is as foggy as my brain... I apologize . I know you just woke up so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not implying Eine is a better painter than Duschamp was. I know art is subjective and all but come on.ย
I think you are misreading. If we want to talk true favorite artists Eine is not in the picture, but neither is Duschamp in regards to painting.
I tend to lean on the Dutch masters, specifically Vermeer as my favorites as I mentioned before I love their use of light and tendency to focus on the realism of directional light that they used. They also were geniuses in how they used contrast to highlight or de-emphasize elements within the frame. They were the true masters of light.
I was mainly talking philosophy, while also trying to steer this conversation away from the giant bit*h fest it had become.
While I can dig Duschamp and the concept that art is not necessarily an image but an idea encased in an image (or object) such as a urinal, my preference always leans towards those who have mad skills and mad intellect that they can only exhibit through their painting or sculpture no matter how basic or complex. I just woke up so my statement is as foggy as my brain... I apologize . I know you just woke up so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not implying Eine is a better painter than Duschamp was. I know art is subjective and all but come on.ย I think you are misreading. If we want to talk true favorite artists Eine is not in the picture, but neither is Duschamp in regards to painting. I tend to lean on the Dutch masters, specifically Vermeer as my favorites as I mentioned before I love their use of light and tendency to focus on the realism of directional light that they used. They also were geniuses in how they used contrast to highlight or de-emphasize elements within the frame. They were the true masters of light. I was mainly talking philosophy, while also trying to steer this conversation away from the giant bit*h fest it had become.
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Real art collectors , by mmmike on Aug 31, 2014 1:30:25 GMT 1, Dr. Jimmy,
I think your heart is probably in the right place but this thread comes across as pretty sad to me. Basically sounds like you have put members into a few camps. There are those who got lucky and bought Banksy stuff early, those with lots of money and buy them now and the poor, unfortunate others who are art lovers who can barely scrape together enough to buy the latest pint for several hundred pounds (or dollars) ok maybe even less.
We are all spoiled rich kids on here, yourself and myself included. The degree of overindulgence or how much money you have made collecting is immaterial.
If you are such an art lover go out and see some art! On the streets, in museums, where ever. buying art is a selfish thing. If you live in London all the museums are free! go get your fill and stop complaining. If you want to make this place more about the art, why talk about prints at all and collecting at all? Go out take some pics and posts pics about art, write about art. Collecting is for losers (myself included). It kinda pisses me off when people go on about poor art collectors that have to save to buy something, There are people starving and others dying from preventable illness all around the world. This thread is a bit of a waste of time. I get it there are some guys who think they are brilliant and know everything, that's life. Put on your big girl panties and make this place the forum you want by contributing more about art, or better yet sell some of your art and use the money to help someone (or something, animals need love too).
Life is too short to bitch about spoiled rich kids especially when you are one (me too, although really old for a kid).
Dr. Jimmy,
I think your heart is probably in the right place but this thread comes across as pretty sad to me. Basically sounds like you have put members into a few camps. There are those who got lucky and bought Banksy stuff early, those with lots of money and buy them now and the poor, unfortunate others who are art lovers who can barely scrape together enough to buy the latest pint for several hundred pounds (or dollars) ok maybe even less.
We are all spoiled rich kids on here, yourself and myself included. The degree of overindulgence or how much money you have made collecting is immaterial.
If you are such an art lover go out and see some art! On the streets, in museums, where ever. buying art is a selfish thing. If you live in London all the museums are free! go get your fill and stop complaining. If you want to make this place more about the art, why talk about prints at all and collecting at all? Go out take some pics and posts pics about art, write about art. Collecting is for losers (myself included). It kinda pisses me off when people go on about poor art collectors that have to save to buy something, There are people starving and others dying from preventable illness all around the world. This thread is a bit of a waste of time. I get it there are some guys who think they are brilliant and know everything, that's life. Put on your big girl panties and make this place the forum you want by contributing more about art, or better yet sell some of your art and use the money to help someone (or something, animals need love too).
Life is too short to bitch about spoiled rich kids especially when you are one (me too, although really old for a kid).
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Real art collectors , by mmmike on Aug 31, 2014 1:42:34 GMT 1, I know you just woke up so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not implying Eine is a better painter than Duschamp was. I know art is subjective and all but come on. I think you are misreading. If we want to talk true favorite artists Eine is not in the picture, but neither is Duschamp in regards to painting. I tend to lean on the Dutch masters, specifically Vermeer as my favorites as I mentioned before I love their use of light and tendency to focus on the realism of directional light that they used. They also were geniuses in how they used contrast to highlight or de-emphasize elements within the frame. They were the true masters of light. I was mainly talking philosophy, while also trying to steer this conversation away from the giant bit*h fest it had become. You did mention Eine when talking about painters you like and then painted Duschamp as a one hit wonder (pun intended ) But whatever.
Either way I'd take this over any Dutch master, any day of the week.
I know you just woke up so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not implying Eine is a better painter than Duschamp was. I know art is subjective and all but come on. I think you are misreading. If we want to talk true favorite artists Eine is not in the picture, but neither is Duschamp in regards to painting. I tend to lean on the Dutch masters, specifically Vermeer as my favorites as I mentioned before I love their use of light and tendency to focus on the realism of directional light that they used. They also were geniuses in how they used contrast to highlight or de-emphasize elements within the frame. They were the true masters of light. I was mainly talking philosophy, while also trying to steer this conversation away from the giant bit*h fest it had become. You did mention Eine when talking about painters you like and then painted Duschamp as a one hit wonder (pun intended ) But whatever. Either way I'd take this over any Dutch master, any day of the week.
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Real art collectors , by mmmike on Aug 31, 2014 1:55:00 GMT 1, Dr. Jimmy, I think your heart is probably in the right place but this thread comes across as pretty sad to me. Basically sounds like you have put members into a few camps. There are those who got lucky and bought Banksy stuff early, those with lots of money and buy them now and the poor, unfortunate others who are art lovers who can barely scrape together enough to buy the latest pint for several hundred pounds (or dollars) ok maybe even less. We are all spoiled rich kids on here, yourself and myself included. The degree of overindulgence or how much money you have made collecting is immaterial. If you are such an art lover go out and see some art! On the streets, in museums, where ever. buying art is a selfish thing. If you live in London all the museums are free! go get your fill and stop complaining. If you want to make this place more about the art, why talk about prints at all and collecting at all? Go out take some pics and posts pics about art, write about art. Collecting is for losers (myself included). It kinda pisses me off when people go on about poor art collectors that have to save to buy something, There are people starving and others dying from preventable illness all around the world. This thread is a bit of a waste of time. I get it there are some guys who think they are brilliant and know everything, that's life. Put on your big girl panties and make this place the forum you want by contributing more about art, or better yet sell some of your art and use the money to help someone (or something, animals need love too). Life is too short to b**ch about spoiled rich kids especially when you are one (me too, although really old for a kid). Actually I'm more a hypocrite writing that than I initially thought. I've done my fair share of bitching here about things I don't like as well. Most recently about people hyping up prices and artists who haven't paid their dues (in my opinion) selling crappy prints (again IMO). So I guess I shouldn't say anything either. I do understand about frustration getting the better of you.
Dr. Jimmy, I think your heart is probably in the right place but this thread comes across as pretty sad to me. Basically sounds like you have put members into a few camps. There are those who got lucky and bought Banksy stuff early, those with lots of money and buy them now and the poor, unfortunate others who are art lovers who can barely scrape together enough to buy the latest pint for several hundred pounds (or dollars) ok maybe even less. We are all spoiled rich kids on here, yourself and myself included. The degree of overindulgence or how much money you have made collecting is immaterial. If you are such an art lover go out and see some art! On the streets, in museums, where ever. buying art is a selfish thing. If you live in London all the museums are free! go get your fill and stop complaining. If you want to make this place more about the art, why talk about prints at all and collecting at all? Go out take some pics and posts pics about art, write about art. Collecting is for losers (myself included). It kinda pisses me off when people go on about poor art collectors that have to save to buy something, There are people starving and others dying from preventable illness all around the world. This thread is a bit of a waste of time. I get it there are some guys who think they are brilliant and know everything, that's life. Put on your big girl panties and make this place the forum you want by contributing more about art, or better yet sell some of your art and use the money to help someone (or something, animals need love too). Life is too short to b**ch about spoiled rich kids especially when you are one (me too, although really old for a kid). Actually I'm more a hypocrite writing that than I initially thought. I've done my fair share of bitching here about things I don't like as well. Most recently about people hyping up prices and artists who haven't paid their dues (in my opinion) selling crappy prints (again IMO). So I guess I shouldn't say anything either. I do understand about frustration getting the better of you.
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Real art collectors , by South Bound on Aug 31, 2014 1:55:10 GMT 1, I think you are misreading. If we want to talk true favorite artists Eine is not in the picture, but neither is Duschamp in regards to painting. I tend to lean on the Dutch masters, specifically Vermeer as my favorites as I mentioned before I love their use of light and tendency to focus on the realism of directional light that they used. They also were geniuses in how they used contrast to highlight or de-emphasize elements within the frame. They were the true masters of light. I was mainly talking philosophy, while also trying to steer this conversation away from the giant bit*h fest it had become. You did mention Eine when talking about painters you like and then painted Duschamp as a one hit wonder (pun intendedย ย ) But whatever.ย Either way I'd take thisย ย over any Dutch master, any day of the week.
Yeah but they were seperate posts and when written I was never mentally connecting one with the other, plus was in reference to personal preference. In reality trying to compare the two is like comparing apples and oranges
My preference always leans to the Dutch masters because at one point I referred to their work for professional purposes on a daily basis. Looking at at other movements / schools was not as helpful.
NOTE: I know nothing about the technical aspects of painting and would make me commenting on one being better or worse then the other silly... I just know what I like.
I think you are misreading. If we want to talk true favorite artists Eine is not in the picture, but neither is Duschamp in regards to painting. I tend to lean on the Dutch masters, specifically Vermeer as my favorites as I mentioned before I love their use of light and tendency to focus on the realism of directional light that they used. They also were geniuses in how they used contrast to highlight or de-emphasize elements within the frame. They were the true masters of light. I was mainly talking philosophy, while also trying to steer this conversation away from the giant bit*h fest it had become. You did mention Eine when talking about painters you like and then painted Duschamp as a one hit wonder (pun intendedย ย ) But whatever.ย Either way I'd take thisย ย over any Dutch master, any day of the week. Yeah but they were seperate posts and when written I was never mentally connecting one with the other, plus was in reference to personal preference. In reality trying to compare the two is like comparing apples and oranges My preference always leans to the Dutch masters because at one point I referred to their work for professional purposes on a daily basis. Looking at at other movements / schools was not as helpful. NOTE: I know nothing about the technical aspects of painting and would make me commenting on one being better or worse then the other silly... I just know what I like.
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Real art collectors , by johnnyh on Aug 31, 2014 3:46:28 GMT 1, Well busy night on the forum lads just woke up to this
Dr Jimmy what on earth is this all about? Not sure apart from the odd join to flog something there are many non art lovers on here. Think those who built there collections over time containing Banksy's etc do not look down on people who do not have one etc.
Like in life there are disparities on what some can and cannot afford but I rarely see that type of conversation and if it happens people are usually called out as it were.
not sure what caused this but but all this adgenda stuff etc is as far as I know just not how I find the forum.
I own a few Banksy's but I ain't gonna apologise for that...
Think this whole thread is a bit rude actually.
Well busy night on the forum lads just woke up to this
Dr Jimmy what on earth is this all about? Not sure apart from the odd join to flog something there are many non art lovers on here. Think those who built there collections over time containing Banksy's etc do not look down on people who do not have one etc.
Like in life there are disparities on what some can and cannot afford but I rarely see that type of conversation and if it happens people are usually called out as it were.
not sure what caused this but but all this adgenda stuff etc is as far as I know just not how I find the forum.
I own a few Banksy's but I ain't gonna apologise for that...
Think this whole thread is a bit rude actually.
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Real art collectors , by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 4:30:56 GMT 1, I began my love for art many years ago painting myself in the streets of San Francisco. Think it was around 1999. Since then Ive been very lucky to collect, show, and help some of my idols. I curate independent shows to show my city the arts, and I collect a ton of work, big, small, insignificant and somewhat significant. I can honestly say, I bought (or at least put a deposit) on my first Banksy only yesterday. I did it because Im a fan and couldnt see my collection complete without at least one, and im only now at the point where its feasible to buy one. I spoke with Banksy over email in 2003, and have been a fan ever since, I told him I thought he'd be the Picasso of our generation, and he replied "cheers, mate". Lol...
Im incredibly jealous of those that got in early from a financial level, but to be honest, his work is much better now. Hes evolved a ton. There are much better artists out there, but not many with his political awareness and street executions. Thats what makes him strong.
I love art, im all over it everyday. And its not limited to street art or lowbrow, i love it all...
I began my love for art many years ago painting myself in the streets of San Francisco. Think it was around 1999. Since then Ive been very lucky to collect, show, and help some of my idols. I curate independent shows to show my city the arts, and I collect a ton of work, big, small, insignificant and somewhat significant. I can honestly say, I bought (or at least put a deposit) on my first Banksy only yesterday. I did it because Im a fan and couldnt see my collection complete without at least one, and im only now at the point where its feasible to buy one. I spoke with Banksy over email in 2003, and have been a fan ever since, I told him I thought he'd be the Picasso of our generation, and he replied "cheers, mate". Lol...
Im incredibly jealous of those that got in early from a financial level, but to be honest, his work is much better now. Hes evolved a ton. There are much better artists out there, but not many with his political awareness and street executions. Thats what makes him strong.
I love art, im all over it everyday. And its not limited to street art or lowbrow, i love it all...
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