[illicey]

A very open question I know but...  How important do you think the street art movement will be regarded in 10 / 20 years time. How many (and who) will be remembered and if Banksy stopped everything now how would his legacy be regarded?

[My Name is Frank]

On the banksy front, same question was asked during barely legal, seven years on he is much more significant in terms of legacy, Palestine, pet shop, Bristol museum and now New York, legacy assured.

The rest, the Americans seem to have done the most in terms of getting wider recognition, but overall the genre has enough history and significant events that it now has to be considered a movement by art historians.

The only question left really is who are the major players for consideration.

[raindogs]

Banksy, Kaws, maybe Os Gemeos and
Shepard Fairey,

[Gard]

And JR

[treweman]

I don't think we've seen the end of this movement, or anything near it. The best may be yet to come. IMO, and it is ONLY my opinion, those like Interesni Kazki, Phlegm, Os Gemeos, Aryz, Herakut, Know Hope, Escif, and many, many other non-stencil artists are seriously raising the bar as to the aesthetic of street art. Certainly my expectations about what is possible have been growing exponentially of late.

[mouser]

Banksy,faile, shep and tox.

is kaws really still classed as street art? 

Strangely, the other byproduct artists which have emerged through this scene but not for street art specifically ( i dislike the term "scene" but it serves a purpose) such as micallef & parla may have a significant legacy beyond the boundaries of where they are just now.

[raindogs]

Nov 16, 2013 21:19:55 GMT 1 treweman said:

I don't think we've seen the end of this movement, or anything near it. The best may be yet to come. IMO, and it is ONLY my opinion, those like Interesni Kazki, Phlegm, Os Gemeos, Aryz, Herakut, Know Hope, Escif, and many, many other non-stencil artists are seriously raising the bar as to the aesthetic of street art. Certainly my expectations about what is possible have been growing exponentially of late.

Os Gemeos indeed are already well established and recognized in the art world.
Know-Hope and Escif, IMO, are the most interesting names to give the movement new life.

[Wearology]

I would add ROA & FAILE to that list of non stencil street artists.  

[saint]

Let's not forget Blu.

And for me Erica il Cane is up there also.

[saint]

I'm also a big fan of Inti.

[sin]

I come back to this topic often out of curiosity.

Recently driven back to the idea by an article I read regarding a rather forgotten art movement, Neo Expressionism.
www.artinamericamagazine.com/news-features/magazine/neo-expressionism-not-remembered

It is possible that 10 - 20 years from now that urban contemporary, street art, post graffiti, whatever, will be forgotten?

It so, who would remain?

If not, how will it be viewed, and who would be considered its key players?

First, regarding the evaporation of the movement as a whole.  I think this is unlikely, solely because there are many variants within the genre.  If part of the movement is discarded other parts of it would likely be remembered.  The variations within the movement are great.  From street works transitioned to gallery environment to graffuturism pieces that are street type executions of abstract works, to post graffiti works by artists like Brian Adam Douglas, David Ellis, etc whose gallery works borrow from but depart considerably from their street works.

So rather its not who will be viewed but who will remain.

Its seems clear that Banksy, Shepard, KAWS will remain.
Other artists who have had institutional interests would likely be remembered. Os Gemeos, Swoon, etc.
However, artists who dont put together bodies of work but focus more on the ephemeral like Blu, Phlegm,  etc will likely be largely forgotten by the mainstream of art history though valued greatly by groups.
I believe you will likely see an expansion of what is retained and valued in our modern world where people with an affinity for an artist can document, share and connect with other like minded people.  This I believe is the most exciting part of the discussion.  A world where nothing need die because the curating is democratized.

[Sweetcorn]

Banksy, Invader and Obey

[Dungle]

There's shit loads more to come. Its just gonna evolve as art always does.

Its an important movement in the art world and will continue to be so.

People have their favorites, but its personal opinion, plenty more to come.

[treweman]

In reply to Sin, the question isn't are the artists or the movement remembered, but rather remembered by whom? As you write, in a world where "the curating is democratized" and curating is often done by the artists themselves, all art on the street is by its nature ephemeral. If in twenty years, all that's left is what is sold in galleries or signed pieces of paper collecting dust in a collector's flat file, the movement will indeed be dead. But street art is often illegal and not about the whims and desires of the wealthy and the art snobs who cater to them. It is about freedom of expression. There is no reason to think that in twenty years people, particularly young people, won't be painting walls and trains and bridges. The only difference will be that they will have grown up seeing the often fleeting works of those who went before them, and that raises the bar.

[BKBOI]

The beauty of the streetart movement is that it has engaged the entire population rather than engaging just the people in the know. It has also been more relatable and easily accessible than any previous art movements.

[peggy]

Nov 16, 2013 19:34:12 GMT 1 illicey said:

A very open question I know but...  How important do you think the street art movement will be regarded in 10 / 20 years time. How many (and who) will be remembered and if Banksy stopped everything now how would his legacy be regarded?

PEGGY WONDERS ABOUT WHETHER ILLICEY HAS CONSIDERED THAT 10/20 YEARS POST NYC/LONDON '80's GRAF CAME BANKSY ETC.
STREET ART HAS ALREADY SHAPED ITS OWN FUTURE.
BANKSY IS THE PRODUCT OF WHAT WENT BEFORE.
SURELY IT'S MORE PERTINENT TO PLACE BANKSY IN RELATION TO GRAF, RATHER THAN START THE STREET ART MOVEMENT FROM THE NOUGHTIES

[Invaded 420]

Deffinately the ones who will always be in the history books banksy, invader an Shepard fairey

[stvro22]

Historians wont be able to deny it's a movement. I think Blu and Revs have set themselves apart. Non-stencil artists seems to automatically set themselves apart from the pack for me.

It's also interesting how non-street artists have become apart of this scene too. Guy Denning, Adam Neate (has he done street work?) and others.

This IS a movement people!!

Os Gemeos
ROA
Herakut
Rae
Espo
Cost
Other
JR

So many still rising.

[Deleted]

Last wave, Basquiat & Haring.
Next wave, Banksy & Fairey.

[Deleted]

SWOON...

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Nov 17, 2013 1:05:02 GMT 1 @speebe1 said:

SWOON…

"Fucking swoon"

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Nov 16, 2013 23:49:21 GMT 1 peggy said:

Nov 16, 2013 19:34:12 GMT 1 illicey said:

A very open question I know but... How important do you think the street art movement will be regarded in 10 / 20 years time. How many (and who) will be remembered and if Banksy stopped everything now how would his legacy be regarded?

PEGGY WONDERS ABOUT WHETHER ILLICEY HAS CONSIDERED THAT 10/20 YEARS POST NYC/LONDON '80's GRAF CAME BANKSY ETC.
STREET ART HAS ALREADY SHAPED ITS OWN FUTURE.
BANKSY IS THE PRODUCT OF WHAT WENT BEFORE.
SURELY IT'S MORE PERTINENT TO PLACE BANKSY IN RELATION TO GRAF, RATHER THAN START THE STREET ART MOVEMENT FROM THE NOUGHTIES

And how had this latest generation shaped the 'outside' art ?


The Internet

The legitimisation

The money

The politics or lack of


Where to next?

[curiousgeorge]

Nov 16, 2013 23:49:21 GMT 1 peggy said:

Nov 16, 2013 19:34:12 GMT 1 illicey said:

A very open question I know but...  How important do you think the street art movement will be regarded in 10 / 20 years time. How many (and who) will be remembered and if Banksy stopped everything now how would his legacy be regarded?

PEGGY WONDERS ABOUT WHETHER ILLICEY HAS CONSIDERED THAT 10/20 YEARS POST NYC/LONDON '80's GRAF CAME BANKSY ETC.
STREET ART HAS ALREADY SHAPED ITS OWN FUTURE.
BANKSY IS THE PRODUCT OF WHAT WENT BEFORE.
SURELY IT'S MORE PERTINENT TO PLACE BANKSY IN RELATION TO GRAF, RATHER THAN START THE STREET ART MOVEMENT FROM THE NOUGHTIES

Martha and Henry and Subway Art will become more important, How many from the new genre is anyones guess

[johnnyh]

The important thing is not the artists but more that street / urban art has become recognised as a form. There will be many shifts and changes within that form Graff, stencil, freehand. There will be new and big artists. Banksy is a big star and always will be his light will continue to shine as do the previous Haring, Basquait there will be others particularly from the US market or SA such as OS Gemeos.

eg street has established itself

[illicey]

Thanks for all the insight. Totally agree (Peggy) that street art did not start in the nighties and came from far earlier movements, i.e Haring and Basquiat. In my view though I would argue that the nineties has shaped a more significant (mass) movement which offers greater diversity, accessability and a more accepted (certainly by the 'establishment') movement.

In my eyes, obviously Banksy will be regarded as the start of the shift away from tagging (although we know that there were (Blek) others who started utilising stencils prior. I for one hope that the movement is still relatively early in it's cycle and will continue to evolve. After all, people have been painting cave walls well before the Graff movement.

Banksy and Shep long termers and part of the legacy. Kaws (although slightly different movement no?). Others maybe - faile, Os Gemeos, Blek.

[graffuturism]

I think the term Street Art is already being forgotten especially within the artists and we see it with the auction houses. With more younger academics writing books and establishing a historical narrative of graffiti and Urban art somewhere down the line we will settle on a common term, but street art seems to be the least likely term due to most street artists not wanting to be called a street artist and graffiti artists having a genuine hate for the word. That being said the whole graffiti/urban art movement and yes I believe is has been and is a movement will be around for some time and will challenge post-modernism and conceptual art. It has already done so on a larger scale than any other artform and continues to grow with the public not only the 1% intellectuals and wealthy. I believe as our supporters collectors much like this forum grow older and become more established in society the artform will continue to grow as its audience has. You already see the older graffiti artists evolving and stepping outside there roots, muralists, and so forth there is a wide range of artists all creating a huge international network. I cant say what artist will become great or be remembered because viewing from todays standards we cannot see the effect that everyone of you will have on the artists as well as artists catching breaks as well. The important thing is that as a whole the artform is the future of the artworld and unless academics create a new artform that can compete we will swallow up most markets withing 20 years and be the status quo until some other youth movement takes us over.

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Tox and Cosa......

[schlege]

In terms of talent, Dran should be up there.

[schlege]

Sam3 will be the late found genius who did not get the deserved respect at his time.

[eschiff]

Nov 20, 2013 16:17:38 GMT 1 schlege said:

Sam3 will be the late found genius who did not get the deserved respect at his time.

ha, i agree.  Have about four of his drawings though and a one off commission so a bit biased!