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Amazon Art , by Pure Evil on Aug 6, 2013 13:16:18 GMT 1, This morning at 6 A.M. EDT, Amazon formally announced the launch of AMAZON ART .. were on there t.co/TDhPpdRz5s
winge away
This morning at 6 A.M. EDT, Amazon formally announced the launch of AMAZON ART .. were on there t.co/TDhPpdRz5swinge away
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Argiebaji
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Amazon Art , by Argiebaji on Aug 6, 2013 13:19:51 GMT 1, Is this a viable alternative to evilbay?
Is this a viable alternative to evilbay?
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Amazon Art , by Damien on Aug 6, 2013 14:51:15 GMT 1, double commissions though might be expensive, looks like you will have to pay amazon upto 15% comm, then you have to get your galleries commission too?
double commissions though might be expensive, looks like you will have to pay amazon upto 15% comm, then you have to get your galleries commission too?
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Amazon Art , by Damien on Aug 6, 2013 14:52:33 GMT 1, theres a lot of banksy repros on there
theres a lot of banksy repros on there
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Pure Evil
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Amazon Art , by Pure Evil on Aug 6, 2013 14:53:15 GMT 1, the galleries got a deal until 2015
the galleries got a deal until 2015
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Amazon Art , by Deleted on Aug 6, 2013 15:30:30 GMT 1, They are also a HUGE Corporation who earn $60 Billion a year, using some of that money to find the best ways to pay the least tax possible in the actual countries where the sales are made. So if you buy from Pure Evil Gallery via Amazon the sale will be logged in Luxembourg. This way the UK won't see the tax revenue from the sale and Amazon will have to pay the least tax possible on that sale. Amazon are also well know for treating their workers as robots and taking away workers rights. They spend about $2 Billion a year Lobbying the US Government to get laws changed that don't benefit the US people but benefit Amazon Inc .Good old Western Democracies. Really sorry to see this partnership PE.
They are also a HUGE Corporation who earn $60 Billion a year, using some of that money to find the best ways to pay the least tax possible in the actual countries where the sales are made. So if you buy from Pure Evil Gallery via Amazon the sale will be logged in Luxembourg. This way the UK won't see the tax revenue from the sale and Amazon will have to pay the least tax possible on that sale. Amazon are also well know for treating their workers as robots and taking away workers rights. They spend about $2 Billion a year Lobbying the US Government to get laws changed that don't benefit the US people but benefit Amazon Inc .Good old Western Democracies. Really sorry to see this partnership PE.
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johnnyh
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Amazon Art , by johnnyh on Aug 6, 2013 15:55:35 GMT 1, Amazon do what every major company do in that hey are tax legal but tax efficient. governments can solve it easily if they want to.
Think it's a very good move for you PE. Yes you will pay them a commission but I would expect that your direct customer will remain your direct customers however their web prescence and global footprint offers a whole new customer base and marketing footprint for you that is both global and consumer based.
However I do see this long term as a real danger to galleries and their profits. This is and will be a huge area for amazon to try a take over. It's conceptually a great market for them lots of the items are high ticket in comparrison to their usual trades which will make it highly profitable especially if artists long term are encouraged to release via amazon. Takes art and artists into a whole new consumer base which is both exciting and scared for the art market.
Mmm watch and see what happens on this one long term. Could have a major effect in that it is a possible game changer.
best of luck with it PE.
Amazon do what every major company do in that hey are tax legal but tax efficient. governments can solve it easily if they want to.
Think it's a very good move for you PE. Yes you will pay them a commission but I would expect that your direct customer will remain your direct customers however their web prescence and global footprint offers a whole new customer base and marketing footprint for you that is both global and consumer based.
However I do see this long term as a real danger to galleries and their profits. This is and will be a huge area for amazon to try a take over. It's conceptually a great market for them lots of the items are high ticket in comparrison to their usual trades which will make it highly profitable especially if artists long term are encouraged to release via amazon. Takes art and artists into a whole new consumer base which is both exciting and scared for the art market.
Mmm watch and see what happens on this one long term. Could have a major effect in that it is a possible game changer.
best of luck with it PE.
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Pure Evil
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Amazon Art , by Pure Evil on Aug 6, 2013 16:08:01 GMT 1, Im going into it with my eyes open.. lets see how it pans out..
Im going into it with my eyes open.. lets see how it pans out..
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Amazon Art , by Dr Plip on Aug 6, 2013 16:24:29 GMT 1, Ok. Who wrote this review for the Monet?
"I bought this and returned it immediately. Very amateurish quality. My 9-year old son could do a better job. For $2,500,000, I would have thought it would have been much more detailed (though the frame was kind of nice). I'm very disappointed and this will probably be my last online purchase of artwork ever again. Take my advice: stick with the paint-by-numbers kits or "Starving Artists" sales if you want good-looking art that you can hang on your walls immediately and not be embarrassed when guests come over. "
I just added the Monet to my cart, broke into a sweat and then emptied it again.
Ok. Who wrote this review for the Monet? "I bought this and returned it immediately. Very amateurish quality. My 9-year old son could do a better job. For $2,500,000, I would have thought it would have been much more detailed (though the frame was kind of nice). I'm very disappointed and this will probably be my last online purchase of artwork ever again. Take my advice: stick with the paint-by-numbers kits or "Starving Artists" sales if you want good-looking art that you can hang on your walls immediately and not be embarrassed when guests come over. " I just added the Monet to my cart, broke into a sweat and then emptied it again.
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Amazon Art , by Deleted on Aug 6, 2013 19:14:40 GMT 1, Im going into it with my eyes open.. lets see how it pans out.. Your eyes may well be open but what are you looking for? Sleepwalkers have open eyes. What happened to the heart/fist/fighting PE?
Im going into it with my eyes open.. lets see how it pans out.. Your eyes may well be open but what are you looking for? Sleepwalkers have open eyes. What happened to the heart/fist/fighting PE?
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curiousgeorge
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Amazon Art , by curiousgeorge on Aug 6, 2013 19:28:35 GMT 1, Does eyes wide open really mean just another avenue for revenue?
Do hope it doesn't backfire on you.In my mind the tax dodging issue is far from over, surprised (or maybe not ) to see P.E overlooking what they are doing.It's so funny it's beyond ironic IMO
Does eyes wide open really mean just another avenue for revenue?
Do hope it doesn't backfire on you.In my mind the tax dodging issue is far from over, surprised (or maybe not ) to see P.E overlooking what they are doing.It's so funny it's beyond ironic IMO
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Amazon Art , by Deleted on Aug 6, 2013 19:31:00 GMT 1, Amazon do what every major company do in that hey are tax legal but tax efficient. governments can solve it easily if they want to. Think it's a very good move for you PE. Yes you will pay them a commission but I would expect that your direct customer will remain your direct customers however their web prescence and global footprint offers a whole new customer base and marketing footprint for you that is both global and consumer based. However I do see this long term as a real danger to galleries and their profits. This is and will be a huge area for amazon to try a take over. It's conceptually a great market for them lots of the items are high ticket in comparrison to their usual trades which will make it highly profitable especially if artists long term are encouraged to release via amazon. Takes art and artists into a whole new consumer base which is both exciting and scared for the art market. Mmm watch and see what happens on this one long term. Could have a major effect in that it is a possible game changer. best of luck with it PE. Governments obviously don't want to solve the tax issues.Don't wanna bite the hand that feeds them. I don't get you johnnyh. You know what's going on ( a lot more than I do I bet ) but you don't have a problem with it? Business/economics is not a good system to base humanity on. Or art.
Amazon do what every major company do in that hey are tax legal but tax efficient. governments can solve it easily if they want to. Think it's a very good move for you PE. Yes you will pay them a commission but I would expect that your direct customer will remain your direct customers however their web prescence and global footprint offers a whole new customer base and marketing footprint for you that is both global and consumer based. However I do see this long term as a real danger to galleries and their profits. This is and will be a huge area for amazon to try a take over. It's conceptually a great market for them lots of the items are high ticket in comparrison to their usual trades which will make it highly profitable especially if artists long term are encouraged to release via amazon. Takes art and artists into a whole new consumer base which is both exciting and scared for the art market. Mmm watch and see what happens on this one long term. Could have a major effect in that it is a possible game changer. best of luck with it PE. Governments obviously don't want to solve the tax issues.Don't wanna bite the hand that feeds them. I don't get you johnnyh. You know what's going on ( a lot more than I do I bet ) but you don't have a problem with it? Business/economics is not a good system to base humanity on. Or art.
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Amazon Art , by curiousgeorge on Aug 6, 2013 20:54:16 GMT 1, Forgot to add I remember a time when this forum may have been full of anti-amazon art when the news started to leak out
Now we just jump into bed with them?!
Forgot to add I remember a time when this forum may have been full of anti-amazon art when the news started to leak out
Now we just jump into bed with them?!
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Amazon Art , by Con Art Studio on Aug 6, 2013 21:01:57 GMT 1, i'm in the US and every time i've sold something overseas i've been asked to mark the tube as "gift" so the person receiving it wouldn't have to pay the VAT... out of curiosity, why is it ok for those people to skirt taxes but not ok for amazon?
i'm in the US and every time i've sold something overseas i've been asked to mark the tube as "gift" so the person receiving it wouldn't have to pay the VAT... out of curiosity, why is it ok for those people to skirt taxes but not ok for amazon?
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Amazon Art , by curiousgeorge on Aug 6, 2013 21:11:07 GMT 1, i'm in the US and every time i've sold something overseas i've been asked to mark the tube as "gift" so the person receiving it wouldn't have to pay the VAT... out of curiosity, why is it ok for those people to skirt taxes but not ok for amazon? I think all buyers would be VERY happy to pay the correct charges on imports.Here it's a case of them charging whatever they like (usually wrong by not a small margin) and then make us jump through hoops to be charged the correct amount and get a refund. Getting a refund in itself is no easy task
Again I think all buyers are happy to pay the correct taxes, but not incorrect VAT and DUTY
i'm in the US and every time i've sold something overseas i've been asked to mark the tube as "gift" so the person receiving it wouldn't have to pay the VAT... out of curiosity, why is it ok for those people to skirt taxes but not ok for amazon? I think all buyers would be VERY happy to pay the correct charges on imports.Here it's a case of them charging whatever they like (usually wrong by not a small margin) and then make us jump through hoops to be charged the correct amount and get a refund. Getting a refund in itself is no easy task Again I think all buyers are happy to pay the correct taxes, but not incorrect VAT and DUTY
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Amazon Art , by barryh on Aug 6, 2013 21:34:53 GMT 1, i'm in the US and every time i've sold something overseas i've been asked to mark the tube as "gift" so the person receiving it wouldn't have to pay the VAT... out of curiosity, why is it ok for those people to skirt taxes but not ok for amazon?
apples and oranges
i'm in the US and every time i've sold something overseas i've been asked to mark the tube as "gift" so the person receiving it wouldn't have to pay the VAT... out of curiosity, why is it ok for those people to skirt taxes but not ok for amazon? apples and oranges
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Amazon Art , by Deleted on Aug 6, 2013 21:40:39 GMT 1, i'm in the US and every time i've sold something overseas i've been asked to mark the tube as "gift" so the person receiving it wouldn't have to pay the VAT... out of curiosity, why is it ok for those people to skirt taxes but not ok for amazon? serious ? you see no moral difference ?
i'm in the US and every time i've sold something overseas i've been asked to mark the tube as "gift" so the person receiving it wouldn't have to pay the VAT... out of curiosity, why is it ok for those people to skirt taxes but not ok for amazon? serious ? you see no moral difference ?
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Amazon Art , by swamped on Aug 6, 2013 22:31:49 GMT 1, i'm in the US and every time i've sold something overseas i've been asked to mark the tube as "gift" so the person receiving it wouldn't have to pay the VAT... out of curiosity, why is it ok for those people to skirt taxes but not ok for amazon? serious ? you see no moral difference ? None there is no difference, just because someone has more money than you dosent mean they should pay more for the same product than you do...if you skimp on taxes and such why shouldn't they if its ok for you then it ok for all.morals have nothing to do with this situation suprise you say they do..
i'm in the US and every time i've sold something overseas i've been asked to mark the tube as "gift" so the person receiving it wouldn't have to pay the VAT... out of curiosity, why is it ok for those people to skirt taxes but not ok for amazon? serious ? you see no moral difference ? None there is no difference, just because someone has more money than you dosent mean they should pay more for the same product than you do...if you skimp on taxes and such why shouldn't they if its ok for you then it ok for all.morals have nothing to do with this situation suprise you say they do..
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Amazon Art , by randomname on Aug 6, 2013 22:40:24 GMT 1, It would be interesting to see a print drop on Amazon. They have so much server capacity, they're impossible to crash.
It would be interesting to see a print drop on Amazon. They have so much server capacity, they're impossible to crash.
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Amazon Art , by Con Art Studio on Aug 6, 2013 23:23:28 GMT 1, i'm in the US and every time i've sold something overseas i've been asked to mark the tube as "gift" so the person receiving it wouldn't have to pay the VAT... out of curiosity, why is it ok for those people to skirt taxes but not ok for amazon? serious ? you see no moral difference ? i wasn't asking because of the morality of paying taxes, I was asking in regards to the hypocrisy between one's views and their actions. I also wasn't taking a side in the discussion, I was just asking.
i'm in the US and every time i've sold something overseas i've been asked to mark the tube as "gift" so the person receiving it wouldn't have to pay the VAT... out of curiosity, why is it ok for those people to skirt taxes but not ok for amazon? serious ? you see no moral difference ? i wasn't asking because of the morality of paying taxes, I was asking in regards to the hypocrisy between one's views and their actions. I also wasn't taking a side in the discussion, I was just asking.
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Amazon Art , by johnnyh on Aug 7, 2013 10:41:59 GMT 1, Does eyes wide open really mean just another avenue for revenue? Do hope it doesn't backfire on you.In my mind the tax dodging issue is far from over, surprised (or maybe not ) to see P.E overlooking what they are doing.It's so funny it's beyond ironic IMO Plus Happymeal
This govt and any other Govt collects taxes it knows who and how much their paying. When it does the budgets and the papers report on it as well as taxing beer and fags it can change corporate tax rules to whatever it wants. It can invade a country but cannot tax amazon mmmmm the EEC wanted all governments in Europe to put a transaction tax on the banks guess who refused the Uk Govt. so it can put a transaction tax etc whenever it wants. So regardless of what I think etc I think it is a bit lame blame PE for selling some prints through a company that actually complies with the law. do you intend to stop using you tube, iTunes or the web as almost all Internet based companies avoid tax in the uk in comparrison to a shop, stop eating as most food companies and supermarkets of size are tax efficient. Even your small independant supermarket will be avoiding paying tax. You've read all about it you have heard all the rhetoric what new tax laws have been or are going to be implemented?
Does eyes wide open really mean just another avenue for revenue? Do hope it doesn't backfire on you.In my mind the tax dodging issue is far from over, surprised (or maybe not ) to see P.E overlooking what they are doing.It's so funny it's beyond ironic IMO Plus Happymeal This govt and any other Govt collects taxes it knows who and how much their paying. When it does the budgets and the papers report on it as well as taxing beer and fags it can change corporate tax rules to whatever it wants. It can invade a country but cannot tax amazon mmmmm the EEC wanted all governments in Europe to put a transaction tax on the banks guess who refused the Uk Govt. so it can put a transaction tax etc whenever it wants. So regardless of what I think etc I think it is a bit lame blame PE for selling some prints through a company that actually complies with the law. do you intend to stop using you tube, iTunes or the web as almost all Internet based companies avoid tax in the uk in comparrison to a shop, stop eating as most food companies and supermarkets of size are tax efficient. Even your small independant supermarket will be avoiding paying tax. You've read all about it you have heard all the rhetoric what new tax laws have been or are going to be implemented?
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Amazon Art , by curiousgeorge on Aug 7, 2013 10:50:25 GMT 1, Jonny
This forum and scene has been deeply intertwined in being anti-corportate and championing the cause of the little man.And then came the money and diluted everything...
Just saying
And nope I will continue to use all those companies you mentioned through neighbours wi-fi(everyone does it,so shall I)
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Jonny
This forum and scene has been deeply intertwined in being anti-corportate and championing the cause of the little man.And then came the money and diluted everything...
Just saying
And nope I will continue to use all those companies you mentioned through neighbours wi-fi(everyone does it,so shall I)
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Amazon Art , by johnnyh on Aug 7, 2013 11:06:37 GMT 1, Ahh but has it................. just look at the top of every page. How much tax ebay paying? Anyone on this site bought or sold anything on ebay ever..... So my point is not the rights and wrongs of tax law but I see nothing wrong with PE trying amazon and wish him the best of luck. It also puts interesting economical messages often contained in art in front of consumers etc
Ahh but has it................. just look at the top of every page. How much tax ebay paying? Anyone on this site bought or sold anything on ebay ever..... So my point is not the rights and wrongs of tax law but I see nothing wrong with PE trying amazon and wish him the best of luck. It also puts interesting economical messages often contained in art in front of consumers etc
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Amazon Art , by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 11:22:45 GMT 1, Am I the only one that can see the massive irony and hypocrisy of someone saying that this scene is 'anti capitalist' when prints that originally cost around ยฃ300 - ยฃ400 are changing hands on this site for anything up to around ยฃ15k??!!
As has just been pointed out, eBay is also a huge corporate company so I don't see why Amazon are being singled out.
Am I the only one that can see the massive irony and hypocrisy of someone saying that this scene is 'anti capitalist' when prints that originally cost around ยฃ300 - ยฃ400 are changing hands on this site for anything up to around ยฃ15k??!!
As has just been pointed out, eBay is also a huge corporate company so I don't see why Amazon are being singled out.
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Amazon Art , by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 11:26:58 GMT 1, It's wrong to question anything ever
It's wrong to question anything ever
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Amazon Art , by twist65 on Aug 7, 2013 11:46:32 GMT 1, I really don't think this "scene" is in any way anti-establishment/capitalism or whatever. A few artists might be, or might have been in the past before they made the big time, or may use token themes of social/political commentry within their work but the majority are just fashioning a career for themselves as professional artists. And there's nothing wrong with that, but lets face it there's not much anarchy or smashing the system around... Even the early days of POW, which kind of felt fresh and against the grain or whatever, was at the end of the day a money making, career and brand building exercise by a group of clever creative entrepeneurs... If you don't want to line Amazons pockets then simple, don't buy art from there, but as other people mentioned you probably don't want to be using eBay or checking this forum on your iPhone or iPad etc either or googling your favourite artist or doing countless other things..
I really don't think this "scene" is in any way anti-establishment/capitalism or whatever. A few artists might be, or might have been in the past before they made the big time, or may use token themes of social/political commentry within their work but the majority are just fashioning a career for themselves as professional artists. And there's nothing wrong with that, but lets face it there's not much anarchy or smashing the system around... Even the early days of POW, which kind of felt fresh and against the grain or whatever, was at the end of the day a money making, career and brand building exercise by a group of clever creative entrepeneurs... If you don't want to line Amazons pockets then simple, don't buy art from there, but as other people mentioned you probably don't want to be using eBay or checking this forum on your iPhone or iPad etc either or googling your favourite artist or doing countless other things..
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Amazon Art , by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 12:36:39 GMT 1, Am I the only one that can see the massive irony and hypocrisy of someone saying that this scene is 'anti capitalist' when prints that originally cost around ยฃ300 - ยฃ400 are changing hands on this site for anything up to around ยฃ15k??!! As has just been pointed out, eBay is also a huge corporate company so I don't see why Amazon are being singled out. Amazon is being singled out because an artist started this thread stating they were jumping on the Amazon corporate bandwagon. He also ended the first post with 'winge away'. Why I wonder? The thread Pure Evil started, this one, is called 'Amazon Art'. I don't think it is lame to call PE out on this at all. Is there much of a difference between this thread and a thread in the For Sale section with just a link to a members ebay auction? Yes it's a new and exciting venture by Amazon to get into the art industry but it's a business venture by a HUGE company that will take out small businesses if it does take off. Does PE have employees at his gallery? 'Your Heart Is A Weapon The Size Of Your Fist Keep Fighting Keep Loving' is a powerful message and one of PE's works that I really like so I was disappointed to see this thread and I felt I had to say something. My back went up when PE said he's going into this with his eyes open because I associate 'open your eyes' and 'eyes wide open' with actually seeing how the world is being run and not just opening your eyes for business. There is hypocrisy in all of us but you have to make a start in doing what you know is right.
Am I the only one that can see the massive irony and hypocrisy of someone saying that this scene is 'anti capitalist' when prints that originally cost around ยฃ300 - ยฃ400 are changing hands on this site for anything up to around ยฃ15k??!! As has just been pointed out, eBay is also a huge corporate company so I don't see why Amazon are being singled out. Amazon is being singled out because an artist started this thread stating they were jumping on the Amazon corporate bandwagon. He also ended the first post with 'winge away'. Why I wonder? The thread Pure Evil started, this one, is called 'Amazon Art'. I don't think it is lame to call PE out on this at all. Is there much of a difference between this thread and a thread in the For Sale section with just a link to a members ebay auction? Yes it's a new and exciting venture by Amazon to get into the art industry but it's a business venture by a HUGE company that will take out small businesses if it does take off. Does PE have employees at his gallery? 'Your Heart Is A Weapon The Size Of Your Fist Keep Fighting Keep Loving' is a powerful message and one of PE's works that I really like so I was disappointed to see this thread and I felt I had to say something. My back went up when PE said he's going into this with his eyes open because I associate 'open your eyes' and 'eyes wide open' with actually seeing how the world is being run and not just opening your eyes for business. There is hypocrisy in all of us but you have to make a start in doing what you know is right.
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