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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Jan 5, 2016 18:32:41 GMT 1, He didn't agree with you AT ALL. Maybe you should read it properly. but then i guess it doesn't fit your viewpoint does it. Stiks name linked to the issue brought it lots of attention it otherwise wouldn't have got. But in your eyes thats ONLY self promotion. By that measure, no one will ever do anything out of compassion, kindness or goodwill. And no one that ever paints the streets will do so for anything other than self promotion. its a very sad place you dwell in really. are you judging others by your own standard? In the real world art is a business. Attaching ones name to a cause or a charity does add publicity to an artist whether the publicity is wanted or not. Plenty of people anonymously donate to charities and causes. There has been a lot of mention on this art forum about Stiks great charitable work with his art. Why mention it of the forum is about art? I'm saying it's good business promotion to donate art and time to charity and causes when one has products to sell. I see nothing wrong with it when people are honest about it. It benfits the charity or cause and benefits the business. It can be tax deductable too. With respect to the OP this thread is about the art and why people like it. Again, you just sound bitter. You find it impossible to see the good in others. And judging by the way you seem to think everything is based on some kind of manipulation rather than the wish to do good things, thats more a reflection on you than an artist helping others out.
Some call it a social conscience.
He didn't agree with you AT ALL. Maybe you should read it properly. but then i guess it doesn't fit your viewpoint does it. Stiks name linked to the issue brought it lots of attention it otherwise wouldn't have got. But in your eyes thats ONLY self promotion. By that measure, no one will ever do anything out of compassion, kindness or goodwill. And no one that ever paints the streets will do so for anything other than self promotion. its a very sad place you dwell in really. are you judging others by your own standard? In the real world art is a business. Attaching ones name to a cause or a charity does add publicity to an artist whether the publicity is wanted or not. Plenty of people anonymously donate to charities and causes. There has been a lot of mention on this art forum about Stiks great charitable work with his art. Why mention it of the forum is about art? I'm saying it's good business promotion to donate art and time to charity and causes when one has products to sell. I see nothing wrong with it when people are honest about it. It benfits the charity or cause and benefits the business. It can be tax deductable too. With respect to the OP this thread is about the art and why people like it. Again, you just sound bitter. You find it impossible to see the good in others. And judging by the way you seem to think everything is based on some kind of manipulation rather than the wish to do good things, thats more a reflection on you than an artist helping others out. Some call it a social conscience.
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Jan 5, 2016 18:19:35 GMT 1, Hey mr communicator, do you question the personal tastes of the kids you teach? Tell them that the stuff they like is crap? Why don't you just act your age and worry about the art you like not what everybody else likes. Pretty much every post from you since you've joined has been criticism looks like your only here to pick an argument and not actually contribute anything? Why don't you tell the rest of the forum your previous username let them know who they are dealing with That's all I have simply stated, with evidence to support, No you fucking havnt!!! you've tried and failed to mould reality into a truth you can handle. But i went and got the info to prove you are totally wrong from a reliable primary source rather than some rubbish article from a blog!!
so far you offer no evidence whatsoever to support your hearsay and bullshit.
Hey mr communicator, do you question the personal tastes of the kids you teach? Tell them that the stuff they like is crap? Why don't you just act your age and worry about the art you like not what everybody else likes. Pretty much every post from you since you've joined has been criticism looks like your only here to pick an argument and not actually contribute anything? Why don't you tell the rest of the forum your previous username let them know who they are dealing with That's all I have simply stated, with evidence to support, No you fucking havnt!!! you've tried and failed to mould reality into a truth you can handle. But i went and got the info to prove you are totally wrong from a reliable primary source rather than some rubbish article from a blog!! so far you offer no evidence whatsoever to support your hearsay and bullshit.
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Jan 5, 2016 15:17:03 GMT 1, Lmao - so a street artist shouldn't paint or they are accused of self-promotion As a guard in smiling sweetly - can't tell you the what I'm muttering under my breath I agree with you totally that street artists as they like to call themselves should promote themselves and also the fact is that linking ones name to a social issue or charity does help sales. Thanks for admitting it at last. He didn't agree with you AT ALL. Maybe you should read it properly. but then i guess it doesn't fit your viewpoint does it.
Stiks name linked to the issue brought it lots of attention it otherwise wouldn't have got. But in your eyes thats ONLY self promotion. By that measure, no one will ever do anything out of compassion, kindness or goodwill. And no one that ever paints the streets will do so for anything other than self promotion.
its a very sad place you dwell in really. are you judging others by your own standard?
Lmao - so a street artist shouldn't paint or they are accused of self-promotion As a guard in smiling sweetly - can't tell you the what I'm muttering under my breath I agree with you totally that street artists as they like to call themselves should promote themselves and also the fact is that linking ones name to a social issue or charity does help sales. Thanks for admitting it at last. He didn't agree with you AT ALL. Maybe you should read it properly. but then i guess it doesn't fit your viewpoint does it. Stiks name linked to the issue brought it lots of attention it otherwise wouldn't have got. But in your eyes thats ONLY self promotion. By that measure, no one will ever do anything out of compassion, kindness or goodwill. And no one that ever paints the streets will do so for anything other than self promotion. its a very sad place you dwell in really. are you judging others by your own standard?
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Jan 5, 2016 10:24:28 GMT 1, I remember the front cover of that Big Issue well. It had a little Stik figure featured in the upper corner accompanied by words like, "This is the next Banksy." I also remember that issue featured a collaboration between Big Issue and M&C Saatchi. As we all know, M&C Saatchi is an enormous advertising agency. I know the "official" story goes that Stik used the funds from the out of court settlement to pay for the costs associated with the 75,000 prints. I don't believe it. Fact is, the only people who know the truth are Stik, Big Issue, and (maybe) Saatchi. Aside from Charles choking Nigella, I have no problems with it. Good on Stik for his success. I only want to point out that Stik does indeed have a very strong PR team.
So you say. My info is direct so I'd guess way more accurate than your ramblings. But I see how your trying to muddy the waters with false info you can't prove. It was paid for from the settlement. Get over yourself.
Share your previous user name. Fill us all with confidence.
I remember the front cover of that Big Issue well. It had a little Stik figure featured in the upper corner accompanied by words like, "This is the next Banksy." I also remember that issue featured a collaboration between Big Issue and M&C Saatchi. As we all know, M&C Saatchi is an enormous advertising agency. I know the "official" story goes that Stik used the funds from the out of court settlement to pay for the costs associated with the 75,000 prints. I don't believe it. Fact is, the only people who know the truth are Stik, Big Issue, and (maybe) Saatchi. Aside from Charles choking Nigella, I have no problems with it. Good on Stik for his success. I only want to point out that Stik does indeed have a very strong PR team. So you say. My info is direct so I'd guess way more accurate than your ramblings. But I see how your trying to muddy the waters with false info you can't prove. It was paid for from the settlement. Get over yourself. Share your previous user name. Fill us all with confidence.
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Jan 5, 2016 2:30:53 GMT 1, Yes. The Big Issue poster giveaway occurred in March of 2013, according to multiple sources, including those I have already posted. The copyright infringement settlement occurred in August of 2014, according to multiple sources, including those I have already posted. Secondary sources aren't that reliable unfortunately. That article was published long after the settlement.
Yes. The Big Issue poster giveaway occurred in March of 2013, according to multiple sources, including those I have already posted. The copyright infringement settlement occurred in August of 2014, according to multiple sources, including those I have already posted. Secondary sources aren't that reliable unfortunately. That article was published long after the settlement.
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Jan 4, 2016 22:08:52 GMT 1, thanks for the quote. Bit impressive that you can't even see how you just blew a huge hole into your own argument though. An anonymous ADVERTISING AGENCY. Do you not think that could be the one that used his image in the Nokia (if i remember that right) ADVERT. pisces et dolium The Big Issue poster giveaway took place over a year before the copyright infringement settlement. you got proof of that?
thanks for the quote. Bit impressive that you can't even see how you just blew a huge hole into your own argument though. An anonymous ADVERTISING AGENCY. Do you not think that could be the one that used his image in the Nokia (if i remember that right) ADVERT. pisces et dolium The Big Issue poster giveaway took place over a year before the copyright infringement settlement. you got proof of that?
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Jan 4, 2016 21:51:05 GMT 1, thanks for the quote. Bit impressive that you can't even see how you just blew a huge hole into your own argument though.
An anonymous ADVERTISING AGENCY. Do you not think that could be the one that used his image in the Nokia (if i remember that right) ADVERT.
pisces et dolium
thanks for the quote. Bit impressive that you can't even see how you just blew a huge hole into your own argument though. An anonymous ADVERTISING AGENCY. Do you not think that could be the one that used his image in the Nokia (if i remember that right) ADVERT. pisces et dolium
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Jan 4, 2016 21:41:06 GMT 1, Tartarus, you memory is incorrect. The Big Issue deal was paid for by an "anonymous" advertising agency, not the funds Stik received as a result of his lawsuit. I can provide more information, if you like. Secondly, I was simply disputing the claim that Stik is not smartly utilizing a PR campaign to increase the visibility and viability of his brand. I'm not saying it is wrong, I am just saying it is being done. Thirdly, can you remember a time Banksy sued anyone for stealing "his" intellectual property? Banksy probably feels any publicity is good publicity in the sense that the more people see it, the more powerful the brand becomes. yes, lets see the more information.
Any proof of that? or are you just saying it so we are to believe it?
Thats quite difficult when you want to remain anonymous is it not?
Tartarus, you memory is incorrect. The Big Issue deal was paid for by an "anonymous" advertising agency, not the funds Stik received as a result of his lawsuit. I can provide more information, if you like. Secondly, I was simply disputing the claim that Stik is not smartly utilizing a PR campaign to increase the visibility and viability of his brand. I'm not saying it is wrong, I am just saying it is being done. Thirdly, can you remember a time Banksy sued anyone for stealing "his" intellectual property? Banksy probably feels any publicity is good publicity in the sense that the more people see it, the more powerful the brand becomes. yes, lets see the more information. Any proof of that? or are you just saying it so we are to believe it? Thats quite difficult when you want to remain anonymous is it not?
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Jan 4, 2016 21:23:56 GMT 1, Has anyone considered that Stik doesn't strive for recognition or success and therefore any and all success he has achieved has been based on the way his work has been received. This has been without a PR team or any other support so whilst individuals may not like his work it does not mean his work is crap. Stik developed his own style of stick men and over time they have become more refined but the purpose of these characters was not to show-out to the wider world about his art - they were his way of dealing with his life and circumstances at the time. It is well documented how he used these figures as companions and as a comfort when he had no control of his life so I feel he is being judged rather harshly. Stik does his thang and will continue to do so regardless of success and without forcing it down our throats - the question was why is he so popular but seems to have turned into whether you personally like him or not.....and how good you were at art I've considered it, but at the end of the day, I don't believe it. You insinuation that the artist STIK has no "PR team or any other support" is patently false. There is clearly a PR campaign in effect, though it is well disguised as "news." I am sure you know how the media works in the new economy, and how the industry has morphed over the years. Let's look at two examples: 1) From 2014, "Copyright Settlement for Street Artist Stik" www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-28754656This clearly demonstrates great care is being taken to protect the Stik brand. If you genuinely believe the artist known as Stik used his own resources to take a very deep-pocked company to court, I have a piece of property you may be interested in. 2) From 2013, "Street Artist Stik Gives Away Posters of his Art in the Big Issue Magazine" hollywardpr.co.uk/blog/2013/03/street-artist-stik-gives-away-posters-of-his-art-in-the-big-issue-magazine/The most telling part about this article is the last bit: "The use of celebrity endorsement coupled with the authentic desire to contribute to a cause he believes in makes this a winning PR campaign. Interesting an advertising agency stumped up the cash for the project but they seem to have remained nameless in some of the news reports."I could go on, if you like... firstly, protecting his intellectual property is his right as much as anyones. second, that is not a PR campaign, its protecting intellectual property.
What PR company paid for it? I had a feeling i read he paid for the big issue stuff from the money he got from the previously mentioned Intelectual property issue. So did they pay it direct to the big issue deal?
Seems an awful lot of emphasis is being put on explaining this as PR, when for any other artist its just stuff that happens during their career.
Has anyone considered that Stik doesn't strive for recognition or success and therefore any and all success he has achieved has been based on the way his work has been received. This has been without a PR team or any other support so whilst individuals may not like his work it does not mean his work is crap. Stik developed his own style of stick men and over time they have become more refined but the purpose of these characters was not to show-out to the wider world about his art - they were his way of dealing with his life and circumstances at the time. It is well documented how he used these figures as companions and as a comfort when he had no control of his life so I feel he is being judged rather harshly. Stik does his thang and will continue to do so regardless of success and without forcing it down our throats - the question was why is he so popular but seems to have turned into whether you personally like him or not.....and how good you were at art I've considered it, but at the end of the day, I don't believe it. You insinuation that the artist STIK has no "PR team or any other support" is patently false. There is clearly a PR campaign in effect, though it is well disguised as "news." I am sure you know how the media works in the new economy, and how the industry has morphed over the years. Let's look at two examples: 1) From 2014, "Copyright Settlement for Street Artist Stik" www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-28754656This clearly demonstrates great care is being taken to protect the Stik brand. If you genuinely believe the artist known as Stik used his own resources to take a very deep-pocked company to court, I have a piece of property you may be interested in. 2) From 2013, "Street Artist Stik Gives Away Posters of his Art in the Big Issue Magazine" hollywardpr.co.uk/blog/2013/03/street-artist-stik-gives-away-posters-of-his-art-in-the-big-issue-magazine/The most telling part about this article is the last bit: "The use of celebrity endorsement coupled with the authentic desire to contribute to a cause he believes in makes this a winning PR campaign. Interesting an advertising agency stumped up the cash for the project but they seem to have remained nameless in some of the news reports."I could go on, if you like... firstly, protecting his intellectual property is his right as much as anyones. second, that is not a PR campaign, its protecting intellectual property. What PR company paid for it? I had a feeling i read he paid for the big issue stuff from the money he got from the previously mentioned Intelectual property issue. So did they pay it direct to the big issue deal? Seems an awful lot of emphasis is being put on explaining this as PR, when for any other artist its just stuff that happens during their career.
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Jan 4, 2016 20:15:46 GMT 1, well as the saying goes... retrospectively speaking here, 'you can polish a turd, but it's still a turd'. Cant help but think that polishing turds is something i want someone else to demonstrate.
well as the saying goes... retrospectively speaking here, 'you can polish a turd, but it's still a turd'. Cant help but think that polishing turds is something i want someone else to demonstrate.
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Jan 4, 2016 20:01:54 GMT 1, "Something I drew 1000's of times" Yes but did they look more like this ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/09E8671A-4AA1-4BF3-857C-E8A692E6C498_zpsqwztomnd.jpg) Since all of us drew these, but in reality is isn't really what Stik is doing now is it! I see it as a weak comparison. I used to draw these as a kid too. ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/60012316-6E5A-45A0-B990-5FAF6F56EAEA_zps5d87aylw.jpg) But it doesn't mean I'm capable of painting van Goughs sunflowers now does it The top image looks as though it hasn't been stored correctly and has considerable damage. I'm assuming this is a HF 1/1 so this may just save it's value on the secondary market?? There on the same piece of paper. So its a bit like buying a Banksy J&J and finding a rude copper on the back! Except there both on the front on mine. Saves on double glass framing and flipping it round time. Same price signed or unsigned, i like to give back to the fans :-)
"Something I drew 1000's of times" Yes but did they look more like this ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/09E8671A-4AA1-4BF3-857C-E8A692E6C498_zpsqwztomnd.jpg) Since all of us drew these, but in reality is isn't really what Stik is doing now is it! I see it as a weak comparison. I used to draw these as a kid too. ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/60012316-6E5A-45A0-B990-5FAF6F56EAEA_zps5d87aylw.jpg) But it doesn't mean I'm capable of painting van Goughs sunflowers now does it The top image looks as though it hasn't been stored correctly and has considerable damage. I'm assuming this is a HF 1/1 so this may just save it's value on the secondary market?? There on the same piece of paper. So its a bit like buying a Banksy J&J and finding a rude copper on the back! Except there both on the front on mine. Saves on double glass framing and flipping it round time. Same price signed or unsigned, i like to give back to the fans :-)
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Jan 4, 2016 19:58:56 GMT 1, "Something I drew 1000's of times" Yes but did they look more like this ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/09E8671A-4AA1-4BF3-857C-E8A692E6C498_zpsqwztomnd.jpg) Since all of us drew these, but in reality is isn't really what Stik is doing now is it! I see it as a weak comparison. I used to draw these as a kid too. ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/60012316-6E5A-45A0-B990-5FAF6F56EAEA_zps5d87aylw.jpg) But it doesn't mean I'm capable of painting van Goughs sunflowers now does it I love the flower maybe youโre the next Banksy, slap a blue back ground on that image and Iโll buy it for 50,000 Then what exactly am I missing? If everyone in their childhood drew similar pictures as you have just demonstrated in reality, but in reality Stik's images are not comparable and therefore the images you drew are a weak comparison. Then what is a strong comparison to his work if children drawing stick figures throughout their childhood are not? I donโt know are you capable of painting a Van Goghs? Despite Van Gogh heavily influencing the next step into modernist art (thatโs an opinion). I suppose the future shall tell how influential Stikโs work shall become, heck maybe it will inspire many more generations of stick drawings. Would that be sky blue or sea blue sir. And possibly more importantly 50,000 what?
Not really sure how to force a relevant comparison, stik is stik to me. I just don't get that i drew loads comparison when as above, no we didn't, they look nothing like his work.
Wish i could! sadly i even dismembered the stick man and that flower has got to be GMO if you ask me! my art producing skills are low to say the least.
"Something I drew 1000's of times" Yes but did they look more like this ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/09E8671A-4AA1-4BF3-857C-E8A692E6C498_zpsqwztomnd.jpg) Since all of us drew these, but in reality is isn't really what Stik is doing now is it! I see it as a weak comparison. I used to draw these as a kid too. ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/60012316-6E5A-45A0-B990-5FAF6F56EAEA_zps5d87aylw.jpg) But it doesn't mean I'm capable of painting van Goughs sunflowers now does it I love the flower maybe youโre the next Banksy, slap a blue back ground on that image and Iโll buy it for 50,000 Then what exactly am I missing? If everyone in their childhood drew similar pictures as you have just demonstrated in reality, but in reality Stik's images are not comparable and therefore the images you drew are a weak comparison. Then what is a strong comparison to his work if children drawing stick figures throughout their childhood are not? I donโt know are you capable of painting a Van Goghs? Despite Van Gogh heavily influencing the next step into modernist art (thatโs an opinion). I suppose the future shall tell how influential Stikโs work shall become, heck maybe it will inspire many more generations of stick drawings. Would that be sky blue or sea blue sir. And possibly more importantly 50,000 what? Not really sure how to force a relevant comparison, stik is stik to me. I just don't get that i drew loads comparison when as above, no we didn't, they look nothing like his work. Wish i could! sadly i even dismembered the stick man and that flower has got to be GMO if you ask me! my art producing skills are low to say the least.
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Jan 4, 2016 16:50:18 GMT 1, Personally prefer Julian Opie and would choose this (below) by a globally recognised and exhibited artist who has a proven track record and a Stik print which some people on here would value the same. ![](http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa44/atomcore/opie.jpg) This is lovely. I hope it's yours. I would certainly chose that over a Stik print. Appreciate that others may not though. Horses for courses and all that. Must say i do like that a lot! But id like to have both!
Personally prefer Julian Opie and would choose this (below) by a globally recognised and exhibited artist who has a proven track record and a Stik print which some people on here would value the same. ![](http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa44/atomcore/opie.jpg) This is lovely. I hope it's yours. I would certainly chose that over a Stik print. Appreciate that others may not though. Horses for courses and all that. Must say i do like that a lot! But id like to have both!
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Jan 4, 2016 15:22:30 GMT 1, Rather than attempting to defend STIK as a testament to contemporary art for the work he has done for the community or the fact that he does not seem to be influenced by fame, I think is not justification for liking that specific piece or art. Does that not undermine the very reason for buying art itself? I think his work just adds to the confusing of contemporary art. I struggle to appreciate or enjoy a block colour with a few lines on it that represents what I use to draw 1000โs of times over as a child. Despite whether fame does not affect him, or he donates copious amounts of money to charity and saves the planet (exaggerating), it requires no skill or thought to generate that piece. I donโt think the fault is of the artist in anyway itโs the fault of a post-modern society lacking meaning or purpose. Although saying that each to their own thatโs art.
"Something I drew 1000's of times"
Yes but did they look more like this
![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/09E8671A-4AA1-4BF3-857C-E8A692E6C498_zpsqwztomnd.jpg)
Since all of us drew these, but in reality is isn't really what Stik is doing now is it! I see it as a weak comparison.
I used to draw these as a kid too.
![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/60012316-6E5A-45A0-B990-5FAF6F56EAEA_zps5d87aylw.jpg)
But it doesn't mean I'm capable of painting van Goughs sunflowers now does it
Rather than attempting to defend STIK as a testament to contemporary art for the work he has done for the community or the fact that he does not seem to be influenced by fame, I think is not justification for liking that specific piece or art. Does that not undermine the very reason for buying art itself? I think his work just adds to the confusing of contemporary art. I struggle to appreciate or enjoy a block colour with a few lines on it that represents what I use to draw 1000โs of times over as a child. Despite whether fame does not affect him, or he donates copious amounts of money to charity and saves the planet (exaggerating), it requires no skill or thought to generate that piece. I donโt think the fault is of the artist in anyway itโs the fault of a post-modern society lacking meaning or purpose. Although saying that each to their own thatโs art. "Something I drew 1000's of times" Yes but did they look more like this ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/09E8671A-4AA1-4BF3-857C-E8A692E6C498_zpsqwztomnd.jpg) Since all of us drew these, but in reality is isn't really what Stik is doing now is it! I see it as a weak comparison. I used to draw these as a kid too. ![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/trancyb/60012316-6E5A-45A0-B990-5FAF6F56EAEA_zps5d87aylw.jpg) But it doesn't mean I'm capable of painting van Goughs sunflowers now does it
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Jan 4, 2016 15:12:00 GMT 1, Not compulsorary to join a fan forum if one is a fan but considering the internet is global and reaches globally one would assume the amount of members and type of discussions on a fan forum a good indication of how popular an artist is. I do understand that fan forums need to be advertised on social media so that fans are aware. Just another example of the flimsy evidence you use to try and prove your point. That forum has existed for five minutes. Has been wrapped up on secrecy and is in fact run by someone a fair few of us just dont trust. I opened an account and closed it as soon as i figured it out.
And thats before you consider the sales for 2 Grey Stik baby prints that were listed on there and created even more suspicion!
bit pointless arguing it all though. As Stik has pretty obviously already had a lot of success and the fans here and the demand for his pieces pretty much show that already.
Not compulsorary to join a fan forum if one is a fan but considering the internet is global and reaches globally one would assume the amount of members and type of discussions on a fan forum a good indication of how popular an artist is. I do understand that fan forums need to be advertised on social media so that fans are aware. Just another example of the flimsy evidence you use to try and prove your point. That forum has existed for five minutes. Has been wrapped up on secrecy and is in fact run by someone a fair few of us just dont trust. I opened an account and closed it as soon as i figured it out. And thats before you consider the sales for 2 Grey Stik baby prints that were listed on there and created even more suspicion! bit pointless arguing it all though. As Stik has pretty obviously already had a lot of success and the fans here and the demand for his pieces pretty much show that already.
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Jan 4, 2016 2:11:08 GMT 1, yeah, sounds plausible. Very Invisible People, goes well with the seemingly unpublishable art. I never said unpublishable I said I have not put all the art I made online. Glad to see you are promoting Stik. How so? that would suggest some form of effort. I comment on threads i see sometimes. Is that promotion? If it is your doing a dam fine job yourself.
yeah, sounds plausible. Very Invisible People, goes well with the seemingly unpublishable art. I never said unpublishable I said I have not put all the art I made online. Glad to see you are promoting Stik. How so? that would suggest some form of effort. I comment on threads i see sometimes. Is that promotion? If it is your doing a dam fine job yourself.
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Jan 4, 2016 2:09:50 GMT 1, The fact that you never want to talk about that art. And yet you never seem to shut up about it either. Makes me think your full of s**t, and just use this mythical art to try and bolster your point. Maybe now is a good time to show us the amazing art you made, but refused to sell through galleries as your just too important for such things. To be fair ploppi did post some work for sale just before Xmas. The harlequin stencils were really rather good I thought. Ive seen a lot of what he has copied and put up here. but he never seems to want to show any of this incredible stuff he always talks about. Ie the stuff he said above isn't on the net. Although is apparently published. so he says. I get he can draw etc, but can he create, cos thats been sorely missing from all i have seen. admittedly I'm not sure if i saw the harlequin bits so can't comment on them.
The fact that you never want to talk about that art. And yet you never seem to shut up about it either. Makes me think your full of s**t, and just use this mythical art to try and bolster your point. Maybe now is a good time to show us the amazing art you made, but refused to sell through galleries as your just too important for such things. To be fair ploppi did post some work for sale just before Xmas. The harlequin stencils were really rather good I thought. Ive seen a lot of what he has copied and put up here. but he never seems to want to show any of this incredible stuff he always talks about. Ie the stuff he said above isn't on the net. Although is apparently published. so he says. I get he can draw etc, but can he create, cos thats been sorely missing from all i have seen. admittedly I'm not sure if i saw the harlequin bits so can't comment on them.
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Jan 4, 2016 1:06:02 GMT 1, The fact that you never want to talk about that art. And yet you never seem to shut up about it either. Makes me think your full of s**t, and just use this mythical art to try and bolster your point. Maybe now is a good time to show us the amazing art you made, but refused to sell through galleries as your just too important for such things. VIP room but seriously. I don't care what you think. yeah, sounds plausible. Very Invisible People, goes well with the seemingly unpublishable art.
The fact that you never want to talk about that art. And yet you never seem to shut up about it either. Makes me think your full of s**t, and just use this mythical art to try and bolster your point. Maybe now is a good time to show us the amazing art you made, but refused to sell through galleries as your just too important for such things. VIP room but seriously. I don't care what you think. yeah, sounds plausible. Very Invisible People, goes well with the seemingly unpublishable art.
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Jan 4, 2016 0:55:14 GMT 1, How do you know my art has not found it's way into an important collection or two? The fact that you never want to talk about that art. And yet you never seem to shut up about it either. Makes me think your full of shit, and just use this mythical art to try and bolster your point.
Maybe now is a good time to show us the amazing art you made, but refused to sell through galleries as your just too important for such things.
How do you know my art has not found it's way into an important collection or two? The fact that you never want to talk about that art. And yet you never seem to shut up about it either. Makes me think your full of shit, and just use this mythical art to try and bolster your point. Maybe now is a good time to show us the amazing art you made, but refused to sell through galleries as your just too important for such things.
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Price Manipulation, by tartarus on Jan 2, 2016 22:19:56 GMT 1, You sure your not here to massage your own ego? Just asking, as your such a reflective critical thinker, I'm interested in your thoughts. Massage my own ego, here? Where the majority of the feedback has been less than supportive? No, I'd say I am not here to massage my own ego. I suspect there are members here on this forum who are interested in the sociological or financial aspects of the contemporary, urban (or street art) world. I would like to have a critical discussion with those people. Clearly, you are not one of those members. Feel free to use the Block function as 11 proposed elsewhere, and as if by magic, I will disappear.
You did say you were here to answer questions.
And I doubt your much of a critical thinker. You blew my question away in seconds without giving it a thought and allowing yourself to trip on your own bias. That isn't critical thinking.
You sure your not here to massage your own ego? Just asking, as your such a reflective critical thinker, I'm interested in your thoughts. Massage my own ego, here? Where the majority of the feedback has been less than supportive? No, I'd say I am not here to massage my own ego. I suspect there are members here on this forum who are interested in the sociological or financial aspects of the contemporary, urban (or street art) world. I would like to have a critical discussion with those people. Clearly, you are not one of those members. Feel free to use the Block function as 11 proposed elsewhere, and as if by magic, I will disappear. You did say you were here to answer questions. And I doubt your much of a critical thinker. You blew my question away in seconds without giving it a thought and allowing yourself to trip on your own bias. That isn't critical thinking.
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Price Manipulation, by tartarus on Jan 2, 2016 21:40:33 GMT 1, No. But I have in certain circumstances. That isn't what this thread is about. This thread is about price manipulation and the unregulated multi-billion dollar art industry. As I've said previously, but many of you have seemed to gloss over, is that there are many people who buy art purely for enjoyment. To make the walls of their home more interesting. That's great. I am not contesting that or attempting to question their motivations. It is naive to think everyone on this board is in it for money, or vice-versa. Like in life, it's probably a good mix. Feel free to contribute to the discussion or judge my motivations for creating this thread. I'm here to answer all your questions. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
You sure your not here to massage your own ego?
Just asking, as your such a reflective critical thinker, I'm interested in your thoughts.
No. But I have in certain circumstances. That isn't what this thread is about. This thread is about price manipulation and the unregulated multi-billion dollar art industry. As I've said previously, but many of you have seemed to gloss over, is that there are many people who buy art purely for enjoyment. To make the walls of their home more interesting. That's great. I am not contesting that or attempting to question their motivations. It is naive to think everyone on this board is in it for money, or vice-versa. Like in life, it's probably a good mix. Feel free to contribute to the discussion or judge my motivations for creating this thread. I'm here to answer all your questions. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) You sure your not here to massage your own ego? Just asking, as your such a reflective critical thinker, I'm interested in your thoughts.
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Jan 2, 2016 12:26:11 GMT 1, Personally i think you are both here for other reasons. But ill leave that up to the guardians to figure out. Night.
Makes a change. But I'm with you on this one.
Personally i think you are both here for other reasons. But ill leave that up to the guardians to figure out. Night. Makes a change. But I'm with you on this one.
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Jan 2, 2016 11:56:17 GMT 1, Because he paints soft friendly IKEA wall friendly girlfriend pleasing tat that doesn't offend anyone other than people who have a passion for art.
How funny. Or is it just people that failed in art that get so upset.
Because he paints soft friendly IKEA wall friendly girlfriend pleasing tat that doesn't offend anyone other than people who have a passion for art. How funny. Or is it just people that failed in art that get so upset.
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Dec 31, 2015 19:44:17 GMT 1, Making money suing a big company with their army of lawyers.. You re right!!! Stik is a bad bad man!!!! Where did I say Stik is a bad man? ย Surely if people want to film themselves interacting with some figures painted on a public wall whether it's to make an advert or not is not in breach of copyright. ย ย People can interact with public staues etc etc and film themselves. ย Movies are often made which show graffiti street art in the background too. ย ย ย I doubt that Stik was the first to paint or draw stick figures anyway.
Maybe intellectual property rights? I remember that they not only paid up but they were also made to stop the advert going out. So they obviously crossed some legal line using it.
Pretty sure he used the money to fund the big issue project or something similar.
Making money suing a big company with their army of lawyers.. You re right!!! Stik is a bad bad man!!!! Where did I say Stik is a bad man? ย Surely if people want to film themselves interacting with some figures painted on a public wall whether it's to make an advert or not is not in breach of copyright. ย ย People can interact with public staues etc etc and film themselves. ย Movies are often made which show graffiti street art in the background too. ย ย ย I doubt that Stik was the first to paint or draw stick figures anyway. Maybe intellectual property rights? I remember that they not only paid up but they were also made to stop the advert going out. So they obviously crossed some legal line using it. Pretty sure he used the money to fund the big issue project or something similar.
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Dec 31, 2015 19:38:42 GMT 1, Where did I say Stik is a bad man? ย Surely if people want to film themselves interacting with some figures painted on a public wall whether it's to make an advert or not is not in breach of copyright. ย ย People can interact with public staues etc etc and film themselves. ย Movies are often made which show graffiti street art in the background too. ย ย ย I doubt that Stik was the first to paint or draw stick figures anyway. FINALLY! The "doubt" that any person with common sense should have. Lately there has been more of it, which I hope people are wising up. Stik and his stick figures that have been done time and time again since the beginning of drawing. This has been done more times then the girl who holds the world record for the most sexual partners in a gang bang porn and then multiply that by a couple trillion over the course of human beings learning how to draw. A stick figure was the first thing I ever learned to draw as a child. Think about the countless others who did the same.
Trolls have been around a while too. But they got boring and passรฉ years ago.
Where did I say Stik is a bad man? ย Surely if people want to film themselves interacting with some figures painted on a public wall whether it's to make an advert or not is not in breach of copyright. ย ย People can interact with public staues etc etc and film themselves. ย Movies are often made which show graffiti street art in the background too. ย ย ย I doubt that Stik was the first to paint or draw stick figures anyway. FINALLY! The "doubt" that any person with common sense should have. Lately there has been more of it, which I hope people are wising up. Stik and his stick figures that have been done time and time again since the beginning of drawing. This has been done more times then the girl who holds the world record for the most sexual partners in a gang bang porn and then multiply that by a couple trillion over the course of human beings learning how to draw. A stick figure was the first thing I ever learned to draw as a child. Think about the countless others who did the same. Trolls have been around a while too. But they got boring and passรฉ years ago.
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Dec 30, 2015 10:22:21 GMT 1, I'll leave you to over-engineer a lengthy hypothesis on consumerism and the why paradox I think. Yup, I wouldn't let you handle that kind of task, obviously.
Guffaw your such a wag. Still argueing personal taste with pointlessness though eh.
I'll leave you to over-engineer a lengthy hypothesis on consumerism and the why paradox I think. Yup, I wouldn't let you handle that kind of task, obviously. Guffaw your such a wag. Still argueing personal taste with pointlessness though eh.
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Dec 30, 2015 2:19:00 GMT 1, You keep making points that make no point. Mine wasn't the only answer given. You are the one making no point again and again, saying this question isn't worthwhile to ask right from the start, and when people start giving differing opinions than yours alone, you think it's more like a pointless attack (by david). And then assuming others to be dictating what one should like when the poster (me) wasn't having that intention. If you cannot give an analytical answer as to why people like or don't like stik (which is the core essence of this thread) other than your 'simple' non-answer of personal taste (which is the most used reply in any situation), then perhaps you should not even participate in this discussion at all. That's all I've been saying.
I'll leave you to over-engineer a lengthy hypothesis on consumerism and the why paradox I think.
You keep making points that make no point. Mine wasn't the only answer given. You are the one making no point again and again, saying this question isn't worthwhile to ask right from the start, and when people start giving differing opinions than yours alone, you think it's more like a pointless attack (by david). And then assuming others to be dictating what one should like when the poster (me) wasn't having that intention. If you cannot give an analytical answer as to why people like or don't like stik (which is the core essence of this thread) other than your 'simple' non-answer of personal taste (which is the most used reply in any situation), then perhaps you should not even participate in this discussion at all. That's all I've been saying. I'll leave you to over-engineer a lengthy hypothesis on consumerism and the why paradox I think.
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Dec 29, 2015 21:02:36 GMT 1, The op asked a pointless question that comes up a lot and has a very very simple answer. I gave it. I quoted someone saying it's better to tell your mates what to like and called that dictatorial not friendly. Imo his question merits more answers, not just yours alone. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
You keep making points that make no point.
Mine wasn't the only answer given.
The op asked a pointless question that comes up a lot and has a very very simple answer. I gave it. I quoted someone saying it's better to tell your mates what to like and called that dictatorial not friendly. Imo his question merits more answers, not just yours alone. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) You keep making points that make no point. Mine wasn't the only answer given.
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Dec 29, 2015 20:31:53 GMT 1, The person who started this conversation in this room was asking for opinions and different perspectives. Friends of his entered the room and gave him their opinions. You came into this room and tells him why is it worth the time to even ask such a question and that those friends who offered differing opinions and alternatives are dictators. So to quote you, why is it even worthwhile for you to even join in the conversation?
The op asked a pointless question that comes up a lot and has a very very simple answer. I gave it.
I quoted someone saying it's better to tell your mates what to like and called that dictatorial not friendly.
The person who started this conversation in this room was asking for opinions and different perspectives. Friends of his entered the room and gave him their opinions. You came into this room and tells him why is it worth the time to even ask such a question and that those friends who offered differing opinions and alternatives are dictators. So to quote you, why is it even worthwhile for you to even join in the conversation? The op asked a pointless question that comes up a lot and has a very very simple answer. I gave it. I quoted someone saying it's better to tell your mates what to like and called that dictatorial not friendly.
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Dec 29, 2015 20:15:16 GMT 1, Dictators decide the tastes of others, not friends. You should not even have entered a room with dictators around then.
Why so?
Dictators decide the tastes of others, not friends. You should not even have entered a room with dictators around then. Why so?
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