Flyjam

[thetongue]

Has anyone else tried to buy any prints from Flyjam?

I agreed a sale for a Napalm but they then avoided all emails and have now slapped another £500 on the price!!
Would like to see if they post on here!

Guess it's fair enough in the current market but don't think trading standards would be too happy

Avoid like the plague!!

[gm]

I agreed a sale for a Napalm but they then avoided all emails and have now slapped another £500 on the price!!

Was it a verbal agreement or do you have anything in writing?

They're clearly in breach of contract with you, but you don't really have much comeback unless there's documentary proof of the agreement, preferably including the amount you were going to pay.

If you've got proof, get someone to write them a letter (a real one, on paper) in legalspeak and see what happens.

[thetongue]

That's the problem, I had emails but can't find them now(!!), am sure others would have seen the same low(ish!) prices and tried to buy.

A bit of honesty just would've been nice really, just don't want others to get messed around by this guy.

I'll just have to wait for POW to release the new prints like everyone else

[ratpack]

Someone's bought that road sign and are they really selling the £5 poster for £35?

[abeautifulnight]

Everytime I contact him he doesn't have anything in stock

I think a lot of his stock is gone and he uses it to attract people to the site

[numusic]

abeautifulnight said:

Everytime I contact him he doesn't have anything in stock

I think a lot of his stock is gone and he uses it to attract people to the site

sells known fakes, avoid.

[abeautifulnight]

How do you know this ?

There seems to be loads of experts on this site and very little evidence of truth

Its a shame

[nightfever]

I'd also like to know.

Where is the PROOF he sells fakes?

[thetongue]

I never said he did, never said was 'he' either so you obviously are/ know him - busted!! ;D

If you run a crap service you deserve to get slated for it

[nightfever]

Don't know him/her, never dealt with him/her and probably never will.

I was referring to post #5: 'sells known fakes, avoid'.

You are right, a poor service does deserve to be slated but has nothing to do with
unsubstantiated rumours about selling fakes.

[numusic]

Street sign was an obvious one wasn't it ?

[nightfever]

To be fair to him, his description does say there was 'no direct attribution' so whoever bought it knew they were taking a punt.

I've been collecting Banksy items since 2002 and watched all the recent events with interest. As far as I know there have never been any fake screenprints sold. The only dodgy I am aware of ones are the unnumbered prints that walked out of the back door of the printers in Birmingham.

I don't really know why I'm taking the time to defend Flyjam as his after-sales service doesn't appear to be too good but I have seen too many, for all I know, inexperienced people with no authority pronouncing on prints and sellers they know nothing about.

[numusic]

nightfever said:

To be fair to him, his description does say there was 'no direct attribution' so whoever bought it knew they were taking a punt.

I've been collecting Banksy items since 2002 and watched all the recent events with interest. As far as I know there have never been any fake screenprints sold. The only dodgy I am aware of ones are the unnumbered prints that walked out of the back door of the printers in Birmingham.

I don't really know why I'm taking the time to defend Flyjam as his after-sales service doesn't appear to be too good but I have seen too many, for all I know, inexperienced people with no authority pronouncing on prints and sellers they know nothing about.

Fair enough, agree that there arn't any fake prints that we know of, other than the unofficiated ones from the old printers. But if sticking a road sign in your shop alongside other genuine banksy's, regardless of the story, isn't snide, then I don't know what is. It's a classic wide boy scam and he get's no sympathy from me. The probability that the sign is snide isn't in doubt, otherwise he'd have upped his list price to 3k

[numusic]

And they've never owned the Monkey Canvas they have listed with SOLD under it, another scam, put some good legit SOLD stuff Photo nicked from elsewhere) next to your dodgy gear and bingo.. hmmm 'Think I'll take a punt on the street sign', guy seems to know his stuff.

[ABC]

Ive tried many times to get hold of them, started about 6 months ago but they never get back to me, ever. waste of time I tried getting the Napalm when it was at £295 3 months ago but they never answered the email then the next day the price had gone up?

[nightfever]

Take your point, numusic. The guy's business practices do leave a lot to be desired.

There's a thread on the ebay forum at the moment. A potential buyer was warned off a print by an unsolicited email from someone else saying the seller was not to be trusted, the print was dodgy etc. He states:

'The signing looks shoddy, the prints never come with a honest sounding story / provenance behind them and are just too cheap.'

Later in the same thread, he's changed his opinion :

'To be honest the numbering looks perfect... when I say that I mean it looks like the POW style numbering (handwriting).

Good luck man... you will have the deal of the century if its proper!'

If anyone has taken any notice of this 'expert' (and it appears that some bids were retracted)
then they could have lost out on a print.

I'm all for helping people new to Banksy, but this illustrates it perfectly - a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing.

[numusic]

nightfever said:

Take your point, numusic. The guy's business practices do leave a lot to be desired.

There's a thread on the ebay forum at the moment. A potential buyer was warned off a print by an unsolicited email from someone else saying the seller was not to be trusted, the print was dodgy etc. He states:

'The signing looks shoddy, the prints never come with a honest sounding story / provenance behind them and are just too cheap.'

Later in the same thread, he's changed his opinion :

'To be honest the numbering looks perfect... when I say that I mean it looks like the POW style numbering (handwriting).

Good luck man... you will have the deal of the century if its proper!'

If anyone has taken any notice of this 'expert' (and it appears that some bids were retracted)
then they could have lost out on a print.

I'm all for helping people new to Banksy, but this illustrates it perfectly - a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing.

Oh I agree mate, but I guess it's not such a steep learning curve. a) there are NO faked prints b) Signatures, stamps, numbering etc vary, but not so much that a couple of weeks of study won't sort. Once you've been burnt you wisen up, but nobody likes to see people get scalped. There's an inherent group mentality and standard hierarchy in these things which needs to be shaken up from time to time.. whuch is probably why I'm suspended from ebay group at the mo

I have a real love/hate thing with ebay and buying/selling on the secondary market, but without it I guess I'd have my original 3 Banksy's instead of 20+, so I have to watch my mouth, which often starts up before my brain

For the record : I know F all about Banksy Prints other than the ones I own and what I've I've gleaned from here, and if it was between owning these and no more street work, well, I'd gladly burn the lot of em

Peace

[abeautifulnight]

But this is the problem we find ourselves in.

Official suppliers seem to be suspect
Tom Tom has had a warning from P.O.W. on this board
Art Republic another official supplier seems to sell on ebay at inflated prices
Punk Daisy seems to be pricing high levels and at several points on their website names Steve Laz as a supplier
Lazinc on openning started selling old prints at high prices - happy coppers 2000


We know there were back door prints from a printers in Birmingham

But other then bad sales service the guy hasn't ripped anyone off that we know off.

Yet people are calling him a scam artist. The sign was bought by a guy in dublin who's shown it to me an it looks great. It could be real it could be fake but it looks good on his wall. He didn't buy it at serious money as real.

But you don't see alot of graf piece for sale recently there was a piece on ebay from a festival it looked great. The choice is the buyers it not for this form to be saying who a scam artist unless they have proof.

[numusic]

abeautifulnight said:

But this is the problem we find ourselves in.

Official suppliers seem to be suspect
Tom Tom has had a warning from P.O.W. on this board
Art Republic another official supplier seems to sell on ebay at inflated prices
Punk Daisy seems to be pricing high levels and at several points on their website names Steve Laz as a supplier
Lazinc on openning started selling old prints at high prices - happy coppers 2000
We know there were back door prints from a printers in Birmingham

But other then bad sales service the guy hasn't ripped anyone off that we know off.

Yet people are calling him a scam artist. The sign was bought by a guy in dublin who's shown it to me an it looks great. It could be real it could be fake but it looks good on his wall. He didn't buy it at serious money as real.

But you don't see alot of graf piece for sale recently there was a piece on ebay from a festival it looked great. The choice is the buyers it not for this form to be saying who a scam artist unless they have proof.

As this is an open forum on Banksy, and one where people come to praise or damn based on their experiences, then people have every right to slag off dodgy dealers. "The choice is the buyers" ?, yeah sure it is, but I think it's also our responsibility to point out to other forum members when we think something is dodgy or if people have issues with dealers/sellers etc etc. Shepard and OBEY, one of the most respected artists working in this area took a major slating from this and other boards. He responded and resolved everything by posting on his site.

Flyjam hasn't, so he'll continue to take criticism. "looks nice on his wall" ? would look even better on the street where it belongs, and would have been a damn site cheaper if he'd knocked it up himself.

[LoveRat]

I bought a print from him about a year ago. It took several emails before he replied. 2-3 weeks went by after my cheque had been cashed and I still hadn't received my print . It took another couple of emails,before he responded to me and told me he had lost my address. Not great customer service but print was kosher.
Also mailed him several times about some of the other prints .I was told they weren't his and he would have to ask his mate how much he wanted . I am still awaiting a reply. In the meantime a sold notice appeared on his site. I couldn't recommend buying from him .