Banksy is a sellout...

[elem]

...and he's laughing in ALL of our faces!! ;D

[Jonny Breaks]

for selling prints at 200/300 when the market value is 3/4 times that?

yeah he doesnt give f*ck about the "little people" anymore does he?

[elem]

Indeed Jonnybreaks...I think the print "i cant believe you morons actually buy this sh*t" pretty much says it all...

He doesnt give a f*ck about anyone...

A clever guy making money from exactly what he's against....Fairplay.

[daz205]

thats my fav la print

[corblimeylimey]

elem said:

...and he's laughing in ALL of our faces!! ;D

Do you belong on this forum?

[elem]

corblimeylimey said:

elem said:

...and he's laughing in ALL of our faces!! ;D

Do you belong on this forum?

Yeah i appreciate banksy's work alot...But the problem is, im an "old" banksy fan not a "new" one thats just got into him ever since he's been famous (not saying that your one of those people). Anyway when i first got into his work he was pretty much unheard of but now its hard to find someone that hasnt heard of him?? Yeah this is a good thing because it means alot of peoples minds are being opened up to this shithole of a world, however selling prints at £600 is a bit of a joke youve got to admit??

[victorwilliams]

elem said:

...and he's laughing in ALL of our faces!! ;D

You always get people like this, its like when a band gets successful and starts being played on Radio 1 and all that you get people saying their selling out by playing bigger venues and things like that. its pathetic what are artists meant to do sit on their ass all day and say 'ah i have all these people wanting to buy my stuff but I'm not going to sell it because someone may say I'm selling out.'

[corblimeylimey]

elem said:

corblimeylimey said:

Do you belong on this forum?

Yeah i appreciate banksy's work alot...But the problem is, im an "old" banksy fan not a "new" one thats just got into him ever since he's been famous (not saying that your one of those people). Anyway when i first got into his work he was pretty much unheard of but now its hard to find someone that hasnt heard of him?? Yeah this is a good thing because it means alot of peoples minds are being opened up to this s**thole of a world, however selling prints at £600 is a bit of a joke youve got to admit??

No I don't think so, those prints selling for £600 are worth £1500, do you really expect them (or him) to sell for £150?

[Jonny Breaks]

elem said:

Indeed Jonnybreaks...I think the print "i cant believe you morons actually buy this sh*t" pretty much says it all...

He doesnt give a f*ck about anyone...

A clever guy making money from exactly what he's against....Fairplay.

if he didnt give a f*ck then surely all his work would be gallery only and would cost £1000+, with the demand for his canvas's going through the roof then why would he even bother with prints?!?!?


think if you've got such a disliking for the guy why would you bother posting on his fan forums or god forbid actually buy his work.

[elem]

corblimeylimey said:

elem said:

Yeah i appreciate banksy's work alot...But the problem is, im an "old" banksy fan not a "new" one thats just got into him ever since he's been famous (not saying that your one of those people). Anyway when i first got into his work he was pretty much unheard of but now its hard to find someone that hasnt heard of him?? Yeah this is a good thing because it means alot of peoples minds are being opened up to this s**thole of a world, however selling prints at £600 is a bit of a joke youve got to admit??

No I don't think so, those prints selling for £600 are worth £1500, do you really expect them (or him) to sell for £150?

Why do you think his prints are worth £1500???

Yeah i do expect them to be cheaper...

[corblimeylimey]

elem said:

corblimeylimey said:

No I don't think so, those prints selling for £600 are worth £1500, do you really expect them (or him) to sell for £150?

Why do you think his prints are worth £1500???

Yeah i do expect them to be cheaper...

It's the market value, supply and demand, what people are actually prepared to pay.

[elem]

jonnybreaks said:

elem said:

Indeed Jonnybreaks...I think the print "i cant believe you morons actually buy this sh*t" pretty much says it all...

He doesnt give a f*ck about anyone...

A clever guy making money from exactly what he's against....Fairplay.

if he didnt give a f*ck then surely all his work would be gallery only and would cost £1000+, with the demand for his canvas's going through the roof then why would he even bother with prints?!?!?


think if you've got such a disliking for the guy why would you bother posting on his fan forums or god forbid actually buy his work.

Have you seen the prices of his original work?? Extortionate comes to mind...

He's making money from the prints..Thats why he bothers!!

I havent got a disliking for him at all..His work is by far better than anyone else..All im saying is he's making money by doing what he's against...Genious

Maybe im a fan for different reasons than most..

[corblimeylimey]

Hirst's screenprints (edition 500) can cost £10,000
www.opus-art.com/artwork.asp?id=218&aid=240

Peter Blake's can cost £2000 but Dolk only £50.

[elem]

corblimeylimey said:

elem said:

Why do you think his prints are worth £1500???

Yeah i do expect them to be cheaper...

It's the market value, supply and demand, what people are actually prepared to pay.

Im not prepared to pay £1500 for a bit of paper with ink and a scribble on it?? Its cool if you are but im just expressing an opinion. No one really knows the truth..For all we know Banksy could be part of a multi-national corporation??

[elem]

corblimeylimey said:

Hirst's screenprints (edition 500) can cost £10,000
www.opus-art.com/artwork.asp?id=218&aid=240

Peter Blake's can cost £2000 but Dolk only £50.

Sorry mate is it cool if you elaborate..Im not 100% sure what you are getting at??

[mcnuts]

elem said:

corblimeylimey said:

It's the market value, supply and demand, what people are actually prepared to pay.

Im not prepared to pay £1500 for a bit of paper with ink and a scribble on it?? Its cool if you are but im just expressing an opinion. No one really knows the truth..For all we know Banksy could be part of a multi-national corporation??

.... or he coudl be this guy :
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banksy#Real_identity

[corblimeylimey]

If I had the money I would be prepared to pay £1500 for a print, I can't afford it, but other people can and will.

I'm not trying to be cool, and it might not be fair that his prints are going out of our price range but what can you do about it?
What do you expect Banksy to do about it? They're being as fair as they can by selling direct to fans for below market value.

[Jonny Breaks]

elem said:

jonnybreaks said:

if he didnt give a f*ck then surely all his work would be gallery only and would cost £1000+, with the demand for his canvas's going through the roof then why would he even bother with prints?!?!?


think if you've got such a disliking for the guy why would you bother posting on his fan forums or god forbid actually buy his work.

Have you seen the prices of his original work?? Extortionate comes to mind...

He's making money from the prints..Thats why he bothers!!

I havent got a disliking for him at all..His work is by far better than anyone else..All im saying is he's making money by doing what he's against...Genious

Maybe im a fan for different reasons than most..

so are you saying that you'd prefer his work to stay on the street and not the gallery's?

personally i think he could stick to canvas and very limited signed prints and sell at LAZ only and still make the millions he's making now....im just glad as a fan i can still afford to buy a print for £200/300 which is way below market price (ebay) put it on my wall and smile at it every day.

the price his prints are selling for is madness but there are only worth what people are willing to pay for them....

[elem]

corblimeylimey said:

If I had the money I would be prepared to pay £1500 for a print, I can't afford it, but other people can and will.

I'm not trying to be cool, and it might not be fair that his prints are going out of our price range but what can you do about it?
What do you expect Banksy to do about it? They're being as fair as they can by selling direct to fans for below market value.

There isnt much you can do about it but have a good old debate on a banksy fan forum. I just feel the market value wouldnt be soooo high if the original price wasnt as high as it is...

[corblimeylimey]

That's not the case, Mary was selling at £700ish for a unsigned when you could have bought one for £74 and it seems these new releases like Grannies £200 are only selling for the same price as Mary, if not less, so final value seems to have nothing to do with the starting price.

[trowel]

This sounds a lot like "I Liked Their First Album" syndrome

[elem]

corblimeylimey said:

That's not the case, Mary was selling at £700ish for a unsigned when you could have bought one for £74 and it seems these new releases like Grannies £200 are only selling for the same price as Mary, if not less, so final value seems to have nothing to do with the starting price.

I remember seeing unsigned girl with balloon prints on ebay for about £300 just last year..And i thought that was expensive!! Having had a quick look on ebay today theres one on there now with 24 bids and 5 hours for £1255 and a buy it now price of £3750!! Also there's a signed grannies print on there with 17 bids and 6 days left at £1320?? If the original price of the grannies wasnt £500..I personally dont think the market value would already be that high.

[mwjm0]

if banksy really didn't give a s**t about the artworld and 'fame' he would have his prints as open editions, he wouldn't inform news channels about where he is 'getting up' (palestine), and wouldn't pull lame stunts like the paris hilton cd (making a point about the superficiality etc of fame and then selling your original pieces to brangelina was a bit rich for me). the whole excitement for me about banksy was finding street pieces around london when my friends were with me and they knew nothing about him, not in seeing how much my prints could make on ebay. the appeal of banksy for me was that he was firstly fun and secondly mildly subversive. when an 'underground' artist goes mainstream he/she is dead (to me anyway). it will be interesting to see what happens over the next couple of years.

[victorwilliams]

You say that when an 'underground' artist goes mainstream he/she are dead to you, why?Say you owned five Banksy prints before the Book came out and the LA show have you now got rid of them?

I cant understand it... posted whilst listening to Arctic Monkeys on the radio , how very appropriate.

[mwjm0]

if banksy started out as a fine artist showing in galleries and he got to where he is now fine. but he was / is part of in my eyes an underground movement which if exposed and accepted by a mainstream audience loses its power and effect. see back in the 80s when futura etc starting showing in galleries after years of putting the work in. they were dropped after about a year and only resurfaced years later (after working normal jobs) when street culture became what it is. i have 1 signed soup can colourway purchased from POW that i would never get rid of. i've never bought a print on ebay (and couldn't at the current prices). I love the old banksy not what he is now.

[yab]

www.briansewell.com/artist/b-artist/banksy/banksy-portrait-revealed.html ;D

Confirmed.

[ratpack]

yab said:

www.briansewell.com/artist/b-artist/banksy/banksy-portrait-revealed.html ;D

Confirmed.

s**t it's Mani!

[corblimeylimey]

I think a signed Grannies would be selling for the price they do now (eg a little less than some slightly older signed) whether they were sold originally for £200 or £600. Obviously it would have made a difference if the original price was £1800.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say, is it he's a sell out cos his prices have gone up, and/or he's now well known and the more people that see his work the more popular he is? do you think he should call it a day now as banksy and maybe carry on under a new name?

[mwjm0]

The mainstream are interested in whats fashionable and what makes money. If you are Damien Hirst that is fine. If you are Banksy its not. His appeal is based on being anti-establishment. Having massive PR campaigns and thousand dollar gallery launches to get his messages across is hypocritical.

[corblimeylimey]

mwjm0 said:

The mainstream are interested in whats fashionable and what makes money. If you are Damien Hirst that is fine. If you are Banksy its not. His appeal is based on being anti-establishment. Having massive PR campaigns and thousand dollar gallery launches to get his messages across is hypocritical.

I see nothing that he's done recently as being pro-establishment.