Cocteau 101
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£20k or £80, by Cocteau 101 on Oct 24, 2008 18:22:23 GMT 1, In these hard economic times, if it's all about the image, why pay £20k for an image i.e. PopTart at Bonhams when you can get the image blown on canvas on ebay for £80.
Discuss?
In these hard economic times, if it's all about the image, why pay £20k for an image i.e. PopTart at Bonhams when you can get the image blown on canvas on ebay for £80.
Discuss?
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Cocteau 101
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£20k or £80, by Cocteau 101 on Oct 24, 2008 18:23:16 GMT 1, Not to single out DFace could equally apply to Banksy, Neate etc.
Not to single out DFace could equally apply to Banksy, Neate etc.
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romanywg
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£20k or £80, by romanywg on Oct 24, 2008 18:32:49 GMT 1, I'm very happy with my Kate canvas off ebay for £50 only 'cos it's my favorite image of his and I'll never be able to afford the real thing. But 1 is enough, no more.
I'm very happy with my Kate canvas off ebay for £50 only 'cos it's my favorite image of his and I'll never be able to afford the real thing. But 1 is enough, no more.
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£20k or £80, by weaver on Oct 24, 2008 18:37:39 GMT 1, Personally its down to my collecting habbit, I'd rather save up and but the genuine thing rather than coppies, but have friend who are also interested in the whole street art thing, who have one or 2 real pieces and several of the cheap e-bay copy pieces on the wall, purely for the image. Alot of Banksy's work that didnt make it to print, such as kissing cops, snorting cop and monkey detonator look great on their walls and they are as happy with their coppies as I am with my prints.
Alot of people still have the print buying habbit, but as you say , as belts tighten, these cheap coppies might see more purchases as print prices slip out of the realm of the casual purchaser. Even new prints from source, for most artists are reaching the point where the cost is getting prohibative for alot of collectors, leaving the field more open for the flippers to buy, but then be stuck with pieces they cannot sell for the return they were expecting ( and most likely would have received 6 months ago).
Not sure if there is a real point to the discussion as each person collects art for different reasons, but it is an interesting one that can be looked at from a few different perspectives.
Personally its down to my collecting habbit, I'd rather save up and but the genuine thing rather than coppies, but have friend who are also interested in the whole street art thing, who have one or 2 real pieces and several of the cheap e-bay copy pieces on the wall, purely for the image. Alot of Banksy's work that didnt make it to print, such as kissing cops, snorting cop and monkey detonator look great on their walls and they are as happy with their coppies as I am with my prints.
Alot of people still have the print buying habbit, but as you say , as belts tighten, these cheap coppies might see more purchases as print prices slip out of the realm of the casual purchaser. Even new prints from source, for most artists are reaching the point where the cost is getting prohibative for alot of collectors, leaving the field more open for the flippers to buy, but then be stuck with pieces they cannot sell for the return they were expecting ( and most likely would have received 6 months ago).
Not sure if there is a real point to the discussion as each person collects art for different reasons, but it is an interesting one that can be looked at from a few different perspectives.
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£20k or £80, by onemandown72 on Oct 24, 2008 18:38:32 GMT 1, In these hard economic times, if it's all about the image, why pay £20k for an image i.e. PopTart at Bonhams when you can get the image blown on canvas on ebay for £80. Discuss?
I think it depends on the image and the medium the artist works in , a more fine artist doesn't translate so well (a la Neate, Parla) as the work hasn't got that vibrancy or depth that you can relate to.
Banksy / Blek / D Face is more about the image itself than the medium it's delivered in and so is easier to get something blown onto canvas, in my opinion.
In these hard economic times, if it's all about the image, why pay £20k for an image i.e. PopTart at Bonhams when you can get the image blown on canvas on ebay for £80. Discuss? I think it depends on the image and the medium the artist works in , a more fine artist doesn't translate so well (a la Neate, Parla) as the work hasn't got that vibrancy or depth that you can relate to. Banksy / Blek / D Face is more about the image itself than the medium it's delivered in and so is easier to get something blown onto canvas, in my opinion. |
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£20k or £80, by top on Oct 24, 2008 18:39:13 GMT 1, No matter how much I think about this, I still crave the original ideally.. given the times (plus the fact I'm fookin' skint) I'd take a quality copy no probs of an image that is out of my reach financially.
That being said, aint copied nowt to date
Seriously considered a Kate like WG
No matter how much I think about this, I still crave the original ideally.. given the times (plus the fact I'm fookin' skint) I'd take a quality copy no probs of an image that is out of my reach financially.
That being said, aint copied nowt to date
Seriously considered a Kate like WG
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leeoman
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£20k or £80, by leeoman on Oct 24, 2008 18:46:23 GMT 1, it can work both ways. my brother bought a girl with a balloon canvass just because he like the image for the best part of nothing, to now find out it only real  . for me i would always try to buy originals but as long as you really like the image I'm not to sure it really matters..its all about the image for me and when it comes to Banksy.....think i will go for the copy's as it the only way i can get his images on my wall apart from the prints of course
and yes my brother is one luck f**k ;D
it can work both ways. my brother bought a girl with a balloon canvass just because he like the image for the best part of nothing, to now find out it only real . for me i would always try to buy originals but as long as you really like the image I'm not to sure it really matters..its all about the image for me and when it comes to Banksy.....think i will go for the copy's as it the only way i can get his images on my wall apart from the prints of course and yes my brother is one luck f**k ;D |
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£20k or £80, by onemandown72 on Oct 24, 2008 18:57:36 GMT 1, it can work both ways. my brother bought a girl with a balloon canvass just because he like the image for the best part of nothing, to now find out it only real . for me i would always try to buy originals but as long as you really like the image I'm not to sure it really matters..its all about the image for me and when it comes to Banksy.....think i will go for the copy's as it the only way i can get his images on my wall apart from the prints of course and yes my brother is one luck f**k ;D
I have a brother like that, was round his flat recently, saw a couple Neate street pieces and asked him if he knew what they were. Said in reply, no idea just liked them and picked them up off the street. He'd stuck them up in his wall with blue tack which tickled me
it can work both ways. my brother bought a girl with a balloon canvass just because he like the image for the best part of nothing, to now find out it only real . for me i would always try to buy originals but as long as you really like the image I'm not to sure it really matters..its all about the image for me and when it comes to Banksy.....think i will go for the copy's as it the only way i can get his images on my wall apart from the prints of course and yes my brother is one luck f**k ;D I have a brother like that, was round his flat recently, saw a couple Neate street pieces and asked him if he knew what they were. Said in reply, no idea just liked them and picked them up off the street. He'd stuck them up in his wall with blue tack which tickled me |
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£20k or £80, by slowmo on Oct 24, 2008 19:09:07 GMT 1, on my wall, I used to have a hopper, a lichtenstein, some warhol, Munch, Testino and Riley. Then I realised you could buy art prints, much nicer, editioned and signed with real human work put into them. I no longer have those posters on my wall as I want a work that is from the artist and has been worked on to create, it is also why I am mildly disappointed that Neate has never released a screen print.
on my wall, I used to have a hopper, a lichtenstein, some warhol, Munch, Testino and Riley. Then I realised you could buy art prints, much nicer, editioned and signed with real human work put into them. I no longer have those posters on my wall as I want a work that is from the artist and has been worked on to create, it is also why I am mildly disappointed that Neate has never released a screen print.
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Dellboyy
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£20k or £80, by Dellboyy on Oct 24, 2008 19:13:51 GMT 1, Nothing wrong with mixing authentic work on your walls with the odd copy in my eyes, i did myself a few little banksy canvases as there's not a chance i'd be able to afford the real thing! It's probably the only reason i got into stenciling my own stuff, i wouldn't ever have thought of doing it otherwise!
Nothing wrong with mixing authentic work on your walls with the odd copy in my eyes, i did myself a few little banksy canvases as there's not a chance i'd be able to afford the real thing! It's probably the only reason i got into stenciling my own stuff, i wouldn't ever have thought of doing it otherwise! |
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£20k or £80, by bradpitt on Oct 24, 2008 19:41:33 GMT 1, I have seen £20k pieces of art that give me a hard on, you just don't get that from copies.
I have seen £20k pieces of art that give me a hard on, you just don't get that from copies.
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£20k or £80, by snakes on Oct 24, 2008 19:59:58 GMT 1, Why pay for a solid wooden floor when you can when you can buy a wood veneer for a fraction of the price?
They both look the same from the surface to all but the very trained eye and they save you a packet.
I personally would rather save a 'bob or two' rather than spunk half a tonne of wedge un-necessarily especially when the majority despite having heard of Banksy have never seen his work. You could show Joe Public a Dolk or an Eelus print and tell them its a Banksy and they would believe it - put a Banksy canvas by dellboy on your wall and you are laughing as they would never know as its just us nerds on this forum who would.... 
Why pay for a solid wooden floor when you can when you can buy a wood veneer for a fraction of the price? They both look the same from the surface to all but the very trained eye and they save you a packet. I personally would rather save a 'bob or two' rather than spunk half a tonne of wedge un-necessarily especially when the majority despite having heard of Banksy have never seen his work. You could show Joe Public a Dolk or an Eelus print and tell them its a Banksy and they would believe it - put a Banksy canvas by dellboy on your wall and you are laughing as they would never know as its just us nerds on this forum who would.... |
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£20k or £80, by bradpitt on Oct 24, 2008 20:03:33 GMT 1, Why pay for a solid wooden floor when you can when you can buy a wood veneer for a fraction of the price?
The solid wood floor has character, age and beauty on it's side - the veneer wears away quickly and looks cheap, bad example!
Why pay for a solid wooden floor when you can when you can buy a wood veneer for a fraction of the price? The solid wood floor has character, age and beauty on it's side - the veneer wears away quickly and looks cheap, bad example! |
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£20k or £80, by Carmichael Gallery on Oct 24, 2008 20:06:46 GMT 1, Why pay for a solid wooden floor when you can when you can buy a wood veneer for a fraction of the price?
there is a wood veneer floor in our apartment and it's crap, sure it's better than carpet, but it just isn't the real thing. Who cares if no one else notices, I know it's wood veneer and can't wait to get a house with the real thing...
Why pay for a solid wooden floor when you can when you can buy a wood veneer for a fraction of the price? there is a wood veneer floor in our apartment and it's crap, sure it's better than carpet, but it just isn't the real thing. Who cares if no one else notices, I know it's wood veneer and can't wait to get a house with the real thing... |
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£20k or £80, by snakes on Oct 24, 2008 20:07:37 GMT 1, Why pay for a solid wooden floor when you can when you can buy a wood veneer for a fraction of the price? The solid wood floor has character, age and beauty on it's side - the veneer wears away quickly and looks cheap, bad example!
Not some of the floors I have been seeing as of late..
Why pay for a solid wooden floor when you can when you can buy a wood veneer for a fraction of the price? The solid wood floor has character, age and beauty on it's side - the veneer wears away quickly and looks cheap, bad example! Not some of the floors I have been seeing as of late.. |
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£20k or £80, by weaver on Oct 24, 2008 20:13:14 GMT 1, Why pay for a solid wooden floor when you can when you can buy a wood veneer for a fraction of the price? They both look the same from the surface to all but the very trained eye and they save you a packet. I personally would rather save a 'bob or two' rather than spunk half a tonne of wedge un-necessarily especially when the majority despite having heard of Banksy have never seen his work. You could show Joe Public a Dolk or an Eelus print and tell them its a Banksy and they would believe it - put a Banksy canvas by dellboy on your wall and you are laughing as they would never know as its just us nerds on this forum who would....
Why pay for a solid wooden floor when you can when you can buy a wood veneer for a fraction of the price? They both look the same from the surface to all but the very trained eye and they save you a packet. I personally would rather save a 'bob or two' rather than spunk half a tonne of wedge un-necessarily especially when the majority despite having heard of Banksy have never seen his work. You could show Joe Public a Dolk or an Eelus print and tell them its a Banksy and they would believe it - put a Banksy canvas by dellboy on your wall and you are laughing as they would never know as its just us nerds on this forum who would.... Hows that backdoor HMV you now clain to hate mojo? ;D |
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£20k or £80, by snakes on Oct 24, 2008 20:16:34 GMT 1, Why pay for a solid wooden floor when you can when you can buy a wood veneer for a fraction of the price? They both look the same from the surface to all but the very trained eye and they save you a packet. I personally would rather save a 'bob or two' rather than spunk half a tonne of wedge un-necessarily especially when the majority despite having heard of Banksy have never seen his work. You could show Joe Public a Dolk or an Eelus print and tell them its a Banksy and they would believe it - put a Banksy canvas by dellboy on your wall and you are laughing as they would never know as its just us nerds on this forum who would.... Hows that backdoor HMV you now clain to hate mojo? ;D
Still on the bloody wall. If it were not back door I would still hate it - bloody 'Jack Russell's'.
Why pay for a solid wooden floor when you can when you can buy a wood veneer for a fraction of the price? They both look the same from the surface to all but the very trained eye and they save you a packet. I personally would rather save a 'bob or two' rather than spunk half a tonne of wedge un-necessarily especially when the majority despite having heard of Banksy have never seen his work. You could show Joe Public a Dolk or an Eelus print and tell them its a Banksy and they would believe it - put a Banksy canvas by dellboy on your wall and you are laughing as they would never know as its just us nerds on this forum who would.... Hows that backdoor HMV you now clain to hate mojo? ;D Still on the bloody wall. If it were not back door I would still hate it - bloody 'Jack Russell's'. |
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£20k or £80, by weaver on Oct 24, 2008 20:19:16 GMT 1, Hows that backdoor HMV you now clain to hate mojo? ;D Still on the bloody wall. If it were not back door I would still hate it - bloody 'Jack Russell's'. 
Hows that backdoor HMV you now clain to hate mojo? ;D Still on the bloody wall. If it were not back door I would still hate it - bloody 'Jack Russell's'. you might still hate it, but you might have spent more time pondering if you wanted a real one and not supported the trade of backdoor prints. |
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£20k or £80, by snakes on Oct 24, 2008 20:50:50 GMT 1, Still on the bloody wall. If it were not back door I would still hate it - bloody 'Jack Russell's'. you might still hate it, but you might have spent more time pondering if you wanted a real one and not supported the trade of backdoor prints.
..maybe but whatever way, it cost me no more than a Gee Vaucher print and saved me well over a grand compared to the price of a numbered 'non back door' one. So no concerns from me whether I now choose to like it or not in these times of the credit crunch and hence no posts from me trying to regain my capital like many others in the 'for sale section' who have spent beyond their means
Still on the bloody wall. If it were not back door I would still hate it - bloody 'Jack Russell's'. you might still hate it, but you might have spent more time pondering if you wanted a real one and not supported the trade of backdoor prints. ..maybe but whatever way, it cost me no more than a Gee Vaucher print and saved me well over a grand compared to the price of a numbered 'non back door' one. So no concerns from me whether I now choose to like it or not in these times of the credit crunch and hence no posts from me trying to regain my capital like many others in the 'for sale section' who have spent beyond their means |
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£20k or £80, by adec on Oct 24, 2008 23:36:28 GMT 1, I can't afford the 'girl with balloon' print ... but it is one of my faves..
I wouldn't spend £80 on an ebay copy, but I would spend £80 on a template, 2 spray cans, some canvas, and have a go myself..
I'd be quiet happy if it was for my own pers wall... even if it didn't come out as goed as the original 
I can't afford the 'girl with balloon' print ... but it is one of my faves.. I wouldn't spend £80 on an ebay copy, but I would spend £80 on a template, 2 spray cans, some canvas, and have a go myself.. I'd be quiet happy if it was for my own pers wall... even if it didn't come out as goed as the original |
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Dellboyy
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£20k or £80, by Dellboyy on Oct 24, 2008 23:45:12 GMT 1, I can't afford the 'girl with balloon' print ... but it is one of my faves.. I wouldn't spend £80 on an ebay copy, but I would spend £80 on a template, 2 spray cans, some canvas, and have a go myself.. I'd be quiet happy if it was for my own pers wall... even if it didn't come out as goed as the original
Go for it mate, it shouldn't cost you 80 quid either!
I can't afford the 'girl with balloon' print ... but it is one of my faves.. I wouldn't spend £80 on an ebay copy, but I would spend £80 on a template, 2 spray cans, some canvas, and have a go myself.. I'd be quiet happy if it was for my own pers wall... even if it didn't come out as goed as the original Go for it mate, it shouldn't cost you 80 quid either! |
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£20k or £80, by snakes on Oct 24, 2008 23:52:50 GMT 1, I can't afford the 'girl with balloon' print ... but it is one of my faves.. I wouldn't spend £80 on an ebay copy, but I would spend £80 on a template, 2 spray cans, some canvas, and have a go myself.. I'd be quiet happy if it was for my own pers wall... even if it didn't come out as goed as the original Go for it mate, it shouldn't cost you 80 quid either!
dellboyy shoould set up his own ebay shop as those canvasses are better than the real deal.
I can't afford the 'girl with balloon' print ... but it is one of my faves.. I wouldn't spend £80 on an ebay copy, but I would spend £80 on a template, 2 spray cans, some canvas, and have a go myself.. I'd be quiet happy if it was for my own pers wall... even if it didn't come out as goed as the original Go for it mate, it shouldn't cost you 80 quid either! dellboyy shoould set up his own ebay shop as those canvasses are better than the real deal. |
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£20k or £80, by Dellboyy on Oct 25, 2008 0:39:17 GMT 1, Go for it mate, it shouldn't cost you 80 quid either! dellboyy shoould set up his own ebay shop as those canvasses are better than the real deal.
Cheers mate, but i think my Banksy copying days are behind me... on to my own stuff these days!
Go for it mate, it shouldn't cost you 80 quid either! dellboyy shoould set up his own ebay shop as those canvasses are better than the real deal. Cheers mate, but i think my Banksy copying days are behind me... on to my own stuff these days! |
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£20k or £80, by snakes on Oct 25, 2008 1:33:22 GMT 1, Ps what's with this t**t repeating himself (above). That is certainly more than repeating ones self! W@NKER!!!!
Ps what's with this t**t repeating himself (above). That is certainly more than repeating ones self! W@NKER!!!!
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leeoman
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£20k or £80, by leeoman on Oct 25, 2008 9:44:03 GMT 1, Ps what's with this t**t repeating himself (above). That is certainly more than repeating ones self! W@NKER!!!!
Please all meet our newest banned member Ernststavros
mate you have some problems
Ps what's with this t**t repeating himself (above). That is certainly more than repeating ones self! W@NKER!!!! Please all meet our newest banned member Ernststavros mate you have some problems |
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but I think if you live life buying the cheap rip offs, all you end up with is a house full of crap that you might only get a couple of quid for at a car boot sale 
. for me i would always try to buy originals but as long as you really like the image I'm not to sure it really matters..its all about the image for me and when it comes to Banksy.....think i will go for the copy's as it the only way i can get his images on my wall apart from the prints of course
