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Good Stuff, by corblimeylimey on Jan 10, 2007 17:23:47 GMT 1, Some very nice prints coming on to the bay, wish I had lots of money.
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Some very nice prints coming on to the bay, wish I had lots of money.
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Good Stuff, by bristolmassive on Jan 10, 2007 18:09:21 GMT 1, dunno who's got the cash in january to be able buy this sort of stuff! I certainly haven't 
dunno who's got the cash in january to be able buy this sort of stuff! I certainly haven't |
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Good Stuff, by corblimeylimey on Jan 10, 2007 18:14:28 GMT 1, dunno who's got the cash in january to be able buy this sort of stuff! I certainly haven't
Tell me about it, I'm self employed, so the work I'm doing now will be paid for in March not much coming in this month and next as I wasn't busy in Nov & Dec. Cant wait for March.
dunno who's got the cash in january to be able buy this sort of stuff! I certainly haven't Tell me about it, I'm self employed, so the work I'm doing now will be paid for in March not much coming in this month and next as I wasn't busy in Nov & Dec. Cant wait for March. |
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Good Stuff, by bristolmassive on Jan 10, 2007 19:49:37 GMT 1, Know how you feel - Currently the strife and I are only on my salary as she's recently given birth - self inflicted pain I hear you say  ... It hurts all the same!
Although I suppose we should all feel grateful that we're in a position to spend considerable amounts on these pretty screen prints!
Know how you feel - Currently the strife and I are only on my salary as she's recently given birth - self inflicted pain I hear you say ... It hurts all the same! Although I suppose we should all feel grateful that we're in a position to spend considerable amounts on these pretty screen prints! |
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Good Stuff, by Ågent ßacardi on Jan 10, 2007 20:54:24 GMT 1, Exactly  I know it's really easy for us to get carried away once in a while, but it's always good for us to occasionally take a step back to think how lucky we are to have a roof over our heads and food in our mouths... and jobs. Half the world (nearly 3 billion people) live on less than two dollars a day! Think of how lucky we are to be able to splurge hundreds of pounds on non-essential, non-necessities like art!
Makes me feel like a selfish bastard everytime I think about it 
Exactly I know it's really easy for us to get carried away once in a while, but it's always good for us to occasionally take a step back to think how lucky we are to have a roof over our heads and food in our mouths... and jobs. Half the world (nearly 3 billion people) live on less than two dollars a day! Think of how lucky we are to be able to splurge hundreds of pounds on non-essential, non-necessities like art! Makes me feel like a selfish bastard everytime I think about it |
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Good Stuff, by atkuefler on Jan 10, 2007 20:59:44 GMT 1, I agree with you AgentBacardi... I just tend to blame my purchases on addiction! That then justifies everything!
I agree with you AgentBacardi... I just tend to blame my purchases on addiction! That then justifies everything!
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Good Stuff, by corblimeylimey on Jan 10, 2007 21:28:03 GMT 1, I don't feel guilty, but I do feel privileged.
I don't feel guilty, but I do feel privileged.
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Good Stuff, by RBK on Jan 10, 2007 21:28:48 GMT 1, It truly is an addicition! People lining up on Oxford St. like a bunch of crackheads! 
It truly is an addicition! People lining up on Oxford St. like a bunch of crackheads! |
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Good Stuff, by Ågent ßacardi on Jan 10, 2007 21:56:16 GMT 1, I don't feel guilty, but I do feel privileged.
I certainly feel privileged, but also feel guilty sometimes... spending £1000 on a single piece of paper is, all things considered, quite sinful when you realize how many people can be fed with that same amount... for months!!!
It seems almost as if we (artists and fans) are just sitting around talking about a problem instead of doing anything about it sometimes... for instance, we buy a piece of art that very poignantly addresses the huge problem of global poverty, but we seem to get stuck on the message itself instead of the essence behind the message. It's like if we see a red traffic light, we think "oooh, what a pretty color!" instead of thinking that we should be hitting the brakes.
This is what makes me feel guilty sometimes... 
I don't feel guilty, but I do feel privileged. I certainly feel privileged, but also feel guilty sometimes... spending £1000 on a single piece of paper is, all things considered, quite sinful when you realize how many people can be fed with that same amount... for months!!! It seems almost as if we (artists and fans) are just sitting around talking about a problem instead of doing anything about it sometimes... for instance, we buy a piece of art that very poignantly addresses the huge problem of global poverty, but we seem to get stuck on the message itself instead of the essence behind the message. It's like if we see a red traffic light, we think "oooh, what a pretty color!" instead of thinking that we should be hitting the brakes. This is what makes me feel guilty sometimes... |
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Good Stuff, by RBK on Jan 10, 2007 22:18:00 GMT 1, AgentB - You can get involved with volunteering/philanthropy if you are feeling guiltly. I've found it to be even more exciting than art.
AgentB - You can get involved with volunteering/philanthropy if you are feeling guiltly. I've found it to be even more exciting than art.
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Good Stuff, by noodle on Jan 10, 2007 22:31:16 GMT 1, That's some deep thoughts your having tonight AB.
Our so called Western leaders could do something about it, but choose not too.
So don't you go beating youself up.
Sponsor a couple of kids through the likes of World Vision (or any other other aid organization), at least they give the kids an education, which could in turn give them a good chance to break free of the never ending poverty cycle.
That's some deep thoughts your having tonight AB.
Our so called Western leaders could do something about it, but choose not too.
So don't you go beating youself up.
Sponsor a couple of kids through the likes of World Vision (or any other other aid organization), at least they give the kids an education, which could in turn give them a good chance to break free of the never ending poverty cycle.
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Good Stuff, by Ågent ßacardi on Jan 10, 2007 22:41:23 GMT 1, AgentB - You can get involved with volunteering/philanthropy if you are feeling guiltly. I've found it to be even more exciting than art.
Yeah see, the problem with that is that there is just way too much injustice/inequality in this world for us to eliminate all the guilt. I work in a lab that studies neurodegeneration (dementias/Alzheimer's, etc.), and I consider that as public service on a global scale (I get paid peanuts, so it's more volunteer than employment really... as I can definitely make more money working elsewhere doing something else). Yet, I'm still bugged by global poverty issues... and if I do more volunteer work in that area, there's human rights/civil issues such as what's going on in Darfur... and then there's inadequate medical care for the majority of the population... etc. etc. etc., the list just goes on and on, and at the end of the day we must come to the conclusion that "we can only do so much". The world is bigger than we are, and so are its issues. That said, I still can never stop feeling guilty because I have so much more than other people. It's a vicious cycle 
I'm not complaining or whining or anything, don't get me wrong... just some moralistic reflection, is all Which I think is something that all of us should do to keep us grounded from time to time
AgentB - You can get involved with volunteering/philanthropy if you are feeling guiltly. I've found it to be even more exciting than art. Yeah see, the problem with that is that there is just way too much injustice/inequality in this world for us to eliminate all the guilt. I work in a lab that studies neurodegeneration (dementias/Alzheimer's, etc.), and I consider that as public service on a global scale (I get paid peanuts, so it's more volunteer than employment really... as I can definitely make more money working elsewhere doing something else). Yet, I'm still bugged by global poverty issues... and if I do more volunteer work in that area, there's human rights/civil issues such as what's going on in Darfur... and then there's inadequate medical care for the majority of the population... etc. etc. etc., the list just goes on and on, and at the end of the day we must come to the conclusion that "we can only do so much". The world is bigger than we are, and so are its issues. That said, I still can never stop feeling guilty because I have so much more than other people. It's a vicious cycle I'm not complaining or whining or anything, don't get me wrong... just some moralistic reflection, is all Which I think is something that all of us should do to keep us grounded from time to time |
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Good Stuff, by bristolmassive on Jan 10, 2007 23:12:33 GMT 1, the irony of people fighting over that beejoir print is not wasted on me! I might even be one of them
the irony of people fighting over that beejoir print is not wasted on me! I might even be one of them |
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Good Stuff, by RBK on Jan 11, 2007 0:23:33 GMT 1, AgentB - You can get involved with volunteering/philanthropy if you are feeling guiltly. I've found it to be even more exciting than art. Yeah see, the problem with that is that there is just way too much injustice/inequality in this world for us to eliminate all the guilt. I work in a lab that studies neurodegeneration (dementias/Alzheimer's, etc.), and I consider that as public service on a global scale (I get paid peanuts, so it's more volunteer than employment really... as I can definitely make more money working elsewhere doing something else). Yet, I'm still bugged by global poverty issues... and if I do more volunteer work in that area, there's human rights/civil issues such as what's going on in Darfur... and then there's inadequate medical care for the majority of the population... etc. etc. etc., the list just goes on and on, and at the end of the day we must come to the conclusion that "we can only do so much". The world is bigger than we are, and so are its issues. That said, I still can never stop feeling guilty because I have so much more than other people. It's a vicious cycle I'm not complaining or whining or anything, don't get me wrong... just some moralistic reflection, is all Which I think is something that all of us should do to keep us grounded from time to time
At least you are thinking about it, and also it spurs some action on your part. A good majority of the population do nothing/don't even think about it. You are obviously a good person - and your awareness of how fortunate you are & and your guilt over you can't do more is admirable.
AgentB - You can get involved with volunteering/philanthropy if you are feeling guiltly. I've found it to be even more exciting than art. Yeah see, the problem with that is that there is just way too much injustice/inequality in this world for us to eliminate all the guilt. I work in a lab that studies neurodegeneration (dementias/Alzheimer's, etc.), and I consider that as public service on a global scale (I get paid peanuts, so it's more volunteer than employment really... as I can definitely make more money working elsewhere doing something else). Yet, I'm still bugged by global poverty issues... and if I do more volunteer work in that area, there's human rights/civil issues such as what's going on in Darfur... and then there's inadequate medical care for the majority of the population... etc. etc. etc., the list just goes on and on, and at the end of the day we must come to the conclusion that "we can only do so much". The world is bigger than we are, and so are its issues. That said, I still can never stop feeling guilty because I have so much more than other people. It's a vicious cycle I'm not complaining or whining or anything, don't get me wrong... just some moralistic reflection, is all Which I think is something that all of us should do to keep us grounded from time to time At least you are thinking about it, and also it spurs some action on your part. A good majority of the population do nothing/don't even think about it. You are obviously a good person - and your awareness of how fortunate you are & and your guilt over you can't do more is admirable. |
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Good Stuff, by corblimeylimey on Jan 11, 2007 10:46:42 GMT 1, Well said Ågentßacardi and respect.
There's not a lot of point in me sitting around feeling guilty over a few 'over priced bits of paper' though, when we're in houses worth around a quarter of a million pounds!
Well said Ågentßacardi and respect.
There's not a lot of point in me sitting around feeling guilty over a few 'over priced bits of paper' though, when we're in houses worth around a quarter of a million pounds!
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Good Stuff, by Ågent ßacardi on Jan 11, 2007 11:19:52 GMT 1, Thanks rk and corblimey
I understand the addiction and the constant yearning to acquire more art (hell, I'm guilty of that), but think that the least we can do as citizens of the world is to ponder a bit about the messages behind the art, not just about how we should frame it or which family member to blackmail/bribe/steal from/sell in order to raise the money for them After all, the artists have laid the pictures out for us... and it would defeat their goals if all we cared about was how good the picture was instead of what we should do about the messages. Otherwise, the purpose/motivation behind the art (especially Banksy's) would essentially be undermined, and the socio-political power of guerilla art would be neutralized. Which would totally suck. It's not a fad; it's supposed to be a movement!
(Call me naïve, but despite all the Banksy-is-a-sellout talk, I really doubt Banksy's motivation is profit. Not by a long shot. If it were, then he'd have been an idiot to think that being a graffiti writer would've guaranteed that.)
Thanks rk and corblimey I understand the addiction and the constant yearning to acquire more art (hell, I'm guilty of that), but think that the least we can do as citizens of the world is to ponder a bit about the messages behind the art, not just about how we should frame it or which family member to blackmail/bribe/steal from/sell in order to raise the money for them After all, the artists have laid the pictures out for us... and it would defeat their goals if all we cared about was how good the picture was instead of what we should do about the messages. Otherwise, the purpose/motivation behind the art (especially Banksy's) would essentially be undermined, and the socio-political power of guerilla art would be neutralized. Which would totally suck. It's not a fad; it's supposed to be a movement! (Call me naïve, but despite all the Banksy-is-a-sellout talk, I really doubt Banksy's motivation is profit. Not by a long shot. If it were, then he'd have been an idiot to think that being a graffiti writer would've guaranteed that.) |
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Good Stuff, by corblimeylimey on Jan 11, 2007 11:27:11 GMT 1, The messages behind the art is at least half the reason I like them.
Of course Banksy wasn't in it for the money, that's now happened though, and like anyone else he'll take it thank you very much, but it's nice to see things like the Flag print sales going to charity.
The messages behind the art is at least half the reason I like them.
Of course Banksy wasn't in it for the money, that's now happened though, and like anyone else he'll take it thank you very much, but it's nice to see things like the Flag print sales going to charity.
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Good Stuff, by aimless on Jan 11, 2007 14:34:12 GMT 1, That's some deep thoughts your having tonight AB. Our so called Western leaders could do something about it, but choose not too. So don't you go beating youself up. Sponsor a couple of kids through the likes of World Vision (or any other other aid organization), at least they give the kids an education, which could in turn give them a good chance to break free of the never ending poverty cycle.
You get a free photo of the child also.
if you get the child to sign it it may fetch a bit on ebay, alternatly it would look great on the wall next to a banksy.
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That's some deep thoughts your having tonight AB. Our so called Western leaders could do something about it, but choose not too. So don't you go beating youself up. Sponsor a couple of kids through the likes of World Vision (or any other other aid organization), at least they give the kids an education, which could in turn give them a good chance to break free of the never ending poverty cycle. You get a free photo of the child also. if you get the child to sign it it may fetch a bit on ebay, alternatly it would look great on the wall next to a banksy. .......................... (joking) |
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Good Stuff, by Run Pig Run on Jan 11, 2007 18:31:37 GMT 1, "sometimes I feel so sick at the state of the world I can't even finsh my second apple pie"
"sometimes I feel so sick at the state of the world I can't even finsh my second apple pie"
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... It hurts all the same!
I know it's really easy for us to get carried away once in a while, but it's always good for us to occasionally take a step back to think how lucky we are to have a roof over our heads and food in our mouths... and jobs. Half the world (nearly 3 billion people) live on less than two dollars a day! Think of how lucky we are to be able to splurge hundreds of pounds on non-essential, non-necessities like art!
