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Banksy original on Scambay!, by dave313perry on Jul 23, 2007 20:34:06 GMT 1, My Boss told me about this today and i cant seem to find a thread on it....
item.. 250144588250
Seems like a well exicuted Scam to me, why put an original on ebay!?
In the auction there is a flikr set of pics - is it just me or on closer inspection are the two images on there aswel as the one on the auction all slightly different, really really slightly, ignoring the fact it has obviously aged and weathered, the actual stencil seems slightly amiss!!
Opinions appreciated (like i can afford it  )
My Boss told me about this today and i cant seem to find a thread on it.... item.. 250144588250 Seems like a well exicuted Scam to me, why put an original on ebay!? In the auction there is a flikr set of pics - is it just me or on closer inspection are the two images on there aswel as the one on the auction all slightly different, really really slightly, ignoring the fact it has obviously aged and weathered, the actual stencil seems slightly amiss!! Opinions appreciated (like i can afford it ) |
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Banksy original on Scambay!, by tadghostal on Jul 23, 2007 20:39:12 GMT 1, The vast majority of Banksy's have a fairly obvious quality that just reeks "Banksy." I'd suggest that quality is missing from this piece. Not saying it isn't a Banksy, but somebody would need to do some serious convincing to make me believe that it was.
The vast majority of Banksy's have a fairly obvious quality that just reeks "Banksy." I'd suggest that quality is missing from this piece. Not saying it isn't a Banksy, but somebody would need to do some serious convincing to make me believe that it was.
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Banksy original on Scambay!, by corblimeylimey on Jul 23, 2007 20:51:58 GMT 1, It's definitely the same as the one pictured in the Flikr link.
It's already ยฃ7000 odd so it's out of reach anyhow.
It's definitely the same as the one pictured in the Flikr link.
It's already ยฃ7000 odd so it's out of reach anyhow.
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Banksy original on Scambay!, by rabbitlegs on Jul 23, 2007 21:00:13 GMT 1, Like the piece and the message, but as you say tadghostal seems minus the 'Reek' ?
The price is certainly rocketing though.
Could be a steal ( like the dodgy looking 'Hand-Sprayed' Gift from John Carter the DJ ) On eBay 12months ago +/- ...A riot cop with no wings but had legs. Sprayed on card?
Or it could be something I knocked up in the back garden....( It isnt in case you were thinking the worst ) but you get my drift,
Buying unauthenticated pieces of street art at such high values and without bulletproof Prov. is very risky IMO.
Like the piece and the message, but as you say tadghostal seems minus the 'Reek' ?
The price is certainly rocketing though.
Could be a steal ( like the dodgy looking 'Hand-Sprayed' Gift from John Carter the DJ ) On eBay 12months ago +/- ...A riot cop with no wings but had legs. Sprayed on card?
Or it could be something I knocked up in the back garden....( It isnt in case you were thinking the worst ) but you get my drift,
Buying unauthenticated pieces of street art at such high values and without bulletproof Prov. is very risky IMO.
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Banksy original on Scambay!, by johnerotten on Jul 23, 2007 21:21:33 GMT 1, who cares if its on flicker!? Its not in the same photo as the banksy piece. it doesn't look anything like a banksy.
someone is going to pay alot of money for a piece of crapsky.
anyone can post photos on flickr.
this shit as got way to crazy man. makes me want to make my own piece of crapsky and put it on scambay to pay a years rent.
suckas. 
It's definitely the same as the one pictured in the Flikr link. It's already ยฃ7000 odd so it's out of reach anyhow.
who cares if its on flicker!? Its not in the same photo as the banksy piece. it doesn't look anything like a banksy. someone is going to pay alot of money for a piece of crapsky. anyone can post photos on flickr. this shit as got way to crazy man. makes me want to make my own piece of crapsky and put it on scambay to pay a years rent. suckas. It's definitely the same as the one pictured in the Flikr link. It's already ยฃ7000 odd so it's out of reach anyhow. |
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Banksy original on Scambay!, by headphonesex on Jul 23, 2007 21:29:39 GMT 1, who cares if its on flicker!? Its not in the same photo as the banksy piece. it doesn't look anything like a banksy.
It looks exactly like a Banksy to me. I don't know for certain that it is, but it's certainly his style.
I'd be prepared to bet that it's genuine... but not 8 grand!
who cares if its on flicker!? Its not in the same photo as the banksy piece. it doesn't look anything like a banksy. It looks exactly like a Banksy to me. I don't know for certain that it is, but it's certainly his style. I'd be prepared to bet that it's genuine... but not 8 grand! |
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Banksy original on Scambay!, by dave313perry on Jul 23, 2007 21:46:29 GMT 1, In one of the flikr pictures the close up pic, the grain of the wood looks different to the one further away, also the drips from the bottom seem different, maybe its just you cant see the second one enough to see the detail?
still seems fake
In one of the flikr pictures the close up pic, the grain of the wood looks different to the one further away, also the drips from the bottom seem different, maybe its just you cant see the second one enough to see the detail?
still seems fake
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Banksy original on Scambay!, by ร
gentรacardi on Jul 23, 2007 22:43:35 GMT 1, It's ended now...
It's ended now...
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Banksy original on Scambay!, by UGGY on Jul 23, 2007 23:04:55 GMT 1,
The story regarding this piece is correct ie its previous location etc....etc...
I can remember walking past this Banksy many times in Liverpool city center,most of
his work in Liverpool has now been lifted or buffed .
The story regarding this piece is correct ie its previous location etc....etc...
I can remember walking past this Banksy many times in Liverpool city center,most of
his work in Liverpool has now been lifted or buffed .
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Banksy original on Scambay!, by stillborncrisps on Jul 23, 2007 23:28:49 GMT 1, Looks like the same board that's on Flickr - check the wood grain, that'd be impossible to match up in a repro.
But yeah, the only prov is a set of photos on Flickr and people's memory, but that's no different to the metal 'What?' cut from that newsguy's stand in Tottenham Court Road (London) and some gallery was trying to flog that piece for ยฃ250,000.
Looks like the same board that's on Flickr - check the wood grain, that'd be impossible to match up in a repro.
But yeah, the only prov is a set of photos on Flickr and people's memory, but that's no different to the metal 'What?' cut from that newsguy's stand in Tottenham Court Road (London) and some gallery was trying to flog that piece for ยฃ250,000.
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Banksy original on Scambay!, by dave313perry on Jul 23, 2007 23:39:42 GMT 1, 
This is the one that was for sale, there are three pics in total.
On each pic the drip in the bottom left of white paint is different in length from what i can see - and actually in a different place!??
Iv just taken them both into photoshop also and analysing it really closely the face is slightly out of scale and shape and too much detail, i would alsmost garuntee you 99.9% its not real
although i would say cameras can do funny things and sometimes lie (legal disclaimer!  )
This is the one that was for sale, there are three pics in total. On each pic the drip in the bottom left of white paint is different in length from what i can see - and actually in a different place!?? Iv just taken them both into photoshop also and analysing it really closely the face is slightly out of scale and shape and too much detail, i would alsmost garuntee you 99.9% its not real although i would say cameras can do funny things and sometimes lie (legal disclaimer! ) |
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Banksy original on Scambay!, by dave313perry on Jul 23, 2007 23:44:38 GMT 1, wood graine looks different to me mate, which bit specifically are you comparing
wood graine looks different to me mate, which bit specifically are you comparing
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Banksy original on Scambay!, by kentkid on Jul 23, 2007 23:50:42 GMT 1, This piece is no longer available due to an error in the listing...
This piece is no longer available due to an error in the listing...
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Banksy original on Scambay!, by dave313perry on Jul 23, 2007 23:51:45 GMT 1, final reckoning on my part +
both pics on ebay are the fake
the one pic on flikr of the board on the building is legit
the other flikr pic (close up front on) is actually the fake before it was left to the weather for a few weeks and added abit of tagging too it!
Ha Iv just realised!...look at the pic on ebay and the size of the board doesnt correspond with the picture of it on the building, the scale just doesnt add up!!! yup 100% sure now. the stencil is far too small in comparison to the size of board on the original! just call me sherlock
What you think???
final reckoning on my part +
both pics on ebay are the fake
the one pic on flikr of the board on the building is legit
the other flikr pic (close up front on) is actually the fake before it was left to the weather for a few weeks and added abit of tagging too it!
Ha Iv just realised!...look at the pic on ebay and the size of the board doesnt correspond with the picture of it on the building, the scale just doesnt add up!!! yup 100% sure now. the stencil is far too small in comparison to the size of board on the original! just call me sherlock
What you think???
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Banksy original on Scambay!, by dave313perry on Jul 23, 2007 23:52:17 GMT 1, This piece is no longer available due to an error in the listing...
prob been approached by someone to either sell it or demanded to remove it!
This piece is no longer available due to an error in the listing... prob been approached by someone to either sell it or demanded to remove it! |
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Banksy original on Scambay!, by finsburyparkranger on Jul 24, 2007 0:20:47 GMT 1, This is the one that was for sale, there are three pics in total. On each pic the drip in the bottom left of white paint is different in length from what i can see - and actually in a different place!?? Iv just taken them both into photoshop also and analysing it really closely the face is slightly out of scale and shape and too much detail, i would alsmost garuntee you 99.9% its not real although i would say cameras can do funny things and sometimes lie (legal disclaimer! )
Lets have a butchers at the two images superimposed if you can of the different marks next to each other dave. Just for fun. If you've not put images up on the forum its dead easy just put them into photobucket.com and post the 'img' code.
This is the one that was for sale, there are three pics in total. On each pic the drip in the bottom left of white paint is different in length from what i can see - and actually in a different place!?? Iv just taken them both into photoshop also and analysing it really closely the face is slightly out of scale and shape and too much detail, i would alsmost garuntee you 99.9% its not real although i would say cameras can do funny things and sometimes lie (legal disclaimer! ) Lets have a butchers at the two images superimposed if you can of the different marks next to each other dave. Just for fun. If you've not put images up on the forum its dead easy just put them into photobucket.com and post the 'img' code. |
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Banksy original on Scambay!, by jonpud on Jul 24, 2007 8:00:48 GMT 1, Like the piece and the message, but as you say tadghostal seems minus the 'Reek' ? The price is certainly rocketing though. Could be a steal ( like the dodgy looking 'Hand-Sprayed' Gift from John Carter the DJ ) On eBay 12months ago +/- ...A riot cop with no wings but had legs. Sprayed on card? Or it could be something I knocked up in the back garden....( It isnt in case you were thinking the worst ) but you get my drift, Buying unauthenticated pieces of street art at such high values and without bulletproof Prov. is very risky IMO.
Rabbitlegs, I have NOTHING to gain from telling you this but the hand sprayed copper you refer to is 100% genuine!! I have seen it in the flesh and I am aware that research has been done, the relevant people have confirmed verbally where this piece originated from and it now hangs pride of place on the purchasers wall! It seems that just once in a while you can obtain a genuine original by sheer chance for no money!! I am just gutted that I didn't get to it first or have the contacts that the buyer had to confirm its authenticity before committing to buy! Just thought you might be interested!
Like the piece and the message, but as you say tadghostal seems minus the 'Reek' ? The price is certainly rocketing though. Could be a steal ( like the dodgy looking 'Hand-Sprayed' Gift from John Carter the DJ ) On eBay 12months ago +/- ...A riot cop with no wings but had legs. Sprayed on card? Or it could be something I knocked up in the back garden....( It isnt in case you were thinking the worst ) but you get my drift, Buying unauthenticated pieces of street art at such high values and without bulletproof Prov. is very risky IMO. Rabbitlegs, I have NOTHING to gain from telling you this but the hand sprayed copper you refer to is 100% genuine!! I have seen it in the flesh and I am aware that research has been done, the relevant people have confirmed verbally where this piece originated from and it now hangs pride of place on the purchasers wall! It seems that just once in a while you can obtain a genuine original by sheer chance for no money!! I am just gutted that I didn't get to it first or have the contacts that the buyer had to confirm its authenticity before committing to buy! Just thought you might be interested! |
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Banksy original on Scambay!, by dave313perry on Jul 24, 2007 9:06:34 GMT 1, Like the piece and the message, but as you say tadghostal seems minus the 'Reek' ? The price is certainly rocketing though. Could be a steal ( like the dodgy looking 'Hand-Sprayed' Gift from John Carter the DJ ) On eBay 12months ago +/- ...A riot cop with no wings but had legs. Sprayed on card? Or it could be something I knocked up in the back garden....( It isnt in case you were thinking the worst ) but you get my drift, Buying unauthenticated pieces of street art at such high values and without bulletproof Prov. is very risky IMO. Rabbitlegs, I have NOTHING to gain from telling you this but the hand sprayed copper you refer to is 100% genuine!! I have seen it in the flesh and I am aware that research has been done, the relevant people have confirmed verbally where this piece originated from and it now hangs pride of place on the purchasers wall! It seems that just once in a while you can obtain a genuine original by sheer chance for no money!! I am just gutted that I didn't get to it first or have the contacts that the buyer had to confirm its authenticity before committing to buy! Just thought you might be interested!
Sorry dont believe that for a minute, the size of the board differs from the image of it in the street, the scale is wrong of the image in proportion with the board, so either the board he is selling is a fake or the picture of it on the building is fake, sorry cant get the pics up as iv just got to work and if i start messing around with pics il get sacked!!!
Like the piece and the message, but as you say tadghostal seems minus the 'Reek' ? The price is certainly rocketing though. Could be a steal ( like the dodgy looking 'Hand-Sprayed' Gift from John Carter the DJ ) On eBay 12months ago +/- ...A riot cop with no wings but had legs. Sprayed on card? Or it could be something I knocked up in the back garden....( It isnt in case you were thinking the worst ) but you get my drift, Buying unauthenticated pieces of street art at such high values and without bulletproof Prov. is very risky IMO. Rabbitlegs, I have NOTHING to gain from telling you this but the hand sprayed copper you refer to is 100% genuine!! I have seen it in the flesh and I am aware that research has been done, the relevant people have confirmed verbally where this piece originated from and it now hangs pride of place on the purchasers wall! It seems that just once in a while you can obtain a genuine original by sheer chance for no money!! I am just gutted that I didn't get to it first or have the contacts that the buyer had to confirm its authenticity before committing to buy! Just thought you might be interested! Sorry dont believe that for a minute, the size of the board differs from the image of it in the street, the scale is wrong of the image in proportion with the board, so either the board he is selling is a fake or the picture of it on the building is fake, sorry cant get the pics up as iv just got to work and if i start messing around with pics il get sacked!!! |
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Banksy original on Scambay!, by johnas on Jul 24, 2007 10:08:29 GMT 1, right, lets break this down.
firstly, there are 2 'security' images on flickr. They are not the same (the boards are different sizes FACT).
The piece on ebay:
only corresponds with one of the photos on flickr:
the drips are the same, the 'true' graffiti is the same, even the knot in the wood (underneath 'true') is the same. If you ask me, they're the same piece.
The flickr photos were uploaded in 2005. That's quite some dedication in order to produce a fake.
HOWEVER, the flickr photo doesn't really show it in situ (it's a close up photo), and could quite easily just be in someones back yard. There's no prov as far as i know of Banksy producing this image (in any of his books - tell me if i'm wrong) and no tag etc.
I don't doubt that the ebay image and the flickr image are the same. The problem is whether it is truly a Banksy and whether you're happy spunking a load of cash on it! Personally, i wouldn't!!
J
right, lets break this down. firstly, there are 2 'security' images on flickr. They are not the same (the boards are different sizes FACT). The piece on ebay: only corresponds with one of the photos on flickr: the drips are the same, the 'true' graffiti is the same, even the knot in the wood (underneath 'true') is the same. If you ask me, they're the same piece. The flickr photos were uploaded in 2005. That's quite some dedication in order to produce a fake. HOWEVER, the flickr photo doesn't really show it in situ (it's a close up photo), and could quite easily just be in someones back yard. There's no prov as far as i know of Banksy producing this image (in any of his books - tell me if i'm wrong) and no tag etc. I don't doubt that the ebay image and the flickr image are the same. The problem is whether it is truly a Banksy and whether you're happy spunking a load of cash on it! Personally, i wouldn't!! J |
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Banksy original on Scambay!, by dave313perry on Jul 24, 2007 10:22:07 GMT 1, The second picture does look like it was taken in someones back yard as the bricks it sits on are not the same as the ones in the long distance pic of it on the door
The second picture does look like it was taken in someones back yard as the bricks it sits on are not the same as the ones in the long distance pic of it on the door
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Banksy original on Scambay!, by johnas on Jul 24, 2007 10:33:43 GMT 1, dave, these 2 flickr images are not of the same piece.....
the piece on ebay only corresponds to the second image
dave, these 2 flickr images are not of the same piece..... the piece on ebay only corresponds to the second image |
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Banksy original on Scambay!, by slowmo on Jul 24, 2007 10:36:10 GMT 1, That is one funny piece!
That is one funny piece!
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Banksy original on Scambay!, by dave313perry on Jul 24, 2007 10:57:32 GMT 1, oh i give up!!! not like i could afford it!!! we may never know!!!
oh i give up!!! not like i could afford it!!! we may never know!!!
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Banksy original on Scambay!, by johnas on Jul 24, 2007 11:14:30 GMT 1, oh i give up!!! not like i could afford it!!! we may never know!!!
;D ;D ;D i think that's my point! We may never know, and for that reason, I'm out ;D ;D ;D
oh i give up!!! not like i could afford it!!! we may never know!!! ;D ;D ;D i think that's my point! We may never know, and for that reason, I'm out ;D ;D ;D |
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Banksy original on Scambay!, by Wiseblood on Jul 24, 2007 13:13:46 GMT 1, im with johnas on this one.
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are two totally different pieces, the wood in the first picture is about twice the length of that in the second picture, on the second piucture there are paint drips on both sides of the scroll, where as only one side of the scroll has paint drips on the ebay one.
im with johnas on this one. and are two totally different pieces, the wood in the first picture is about twice the length of that in the second picture, on the second piucture there are paint drips on both sides of the scroll, where as only one side of the scroll has paint drips on the ebay one. |
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Banksy original on Scambay!, by rabbitlegs on Jul 24, 2007 13:19:15 GMT 1, Like the piece and the message, but as you say tadghostal seems minus the 'Reek' ? The price is certainly rocketing though. Could be a steal ( like the dodgy looking 'Hand-Sprayed' Gift from John Carter the DJ ) On eBay 12months ago +/- ...A riot cop with no wings but had legs. Sprayed on card? Or it could be something I knocked up in the back garden....( It isnt in case you were thinking the worst ) but you get my drift, Buying unauthenticated pieces of street art at such high values and without bulletproof Prov. is very risky IMO. Rabbitlegs, I have NOTHING to gain from telling you this but the hand sprayed copper you refer to is 100% genuine!! I have seen it in the flesh and I am aware that research has been done, the relevant people have confirmed verbally where this piece originated from and it now hangs pride of place on the purchasers wall! It seems that just once in a while you can obtain a genuine original by sheer chance for no money!! I am just gutted that I didn't get to it first or have the contacts that the buyer had to confirm its authenticity before committing to buy! Just thought you might be interested!
Yes I know it was legit. Thats what I meant by could be a steal(Bargain)
I too was interested in it at the time,and even tickled with it on photoshop...indeed coming to the conclusion myself that it was hand sprayed.
What really put me of was the sellers vague description...Listed as Giclee, Said in write up it was a screenprint, photo looked handsprayed.picture was in 2diferant frames? Plus the negative comments flying around on the board at the time put me off
Who ever has it now is a lucky chap!
Like the piece and the message, but as you say tadghostal seems minus the 'Reek' ? The price is certainly rocketing though. Could be a steal ( like the dodgy looking 'Hand-Sprayed' Gift from John Carter the DJ ) On eBay 12months ago +/- ...A riot cop with no wings but had legs. Sprayed on card? Or it could be something I knocked up in the back garden....( It isnt in case you were thinking the worst ) but you get my drift, Buying unauthenticated pieces of street art at such high values and without bulletproof Prov. is very risky IMO. Rabbitlegs, I have NOTHING to gain from telling you this but the hand sprayed copper you refer to is 100% genuine!! I have seen it in the flesh and I am aware that research has been done, the relevant people have confirmed verbally where this piece originated from and it now hangs pride of place on the purchasers wall! It seems that just once in a while you can obtain a genuine original by sheer chance for no money!! I am just gutted that I didn't get to it first or have the contacts that the buyer had to confirm its authenticity before committing to buy! Just thought you might be interested! Yes I know it was legit. Thats what I meant by could be a steal(Bargain) I too was interested in it at the time,and even tickled with it on photoshop...indeed coming to the conclusion myself that it was hand sprayed. What really put me of was the sellers vague description...Listed as Giclee, Said in write up it was a screenprint, photo looked handsprayed.picture was in 2diferant frames? Plus the negative comments flying around on the board at the time put me off Who ever has it now is a lucky chap! |
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Banksy original on Scambay!, by dave313perry on Jul 24, 2007 13:27:00 GMT 1, Has anyone had any official word on this from either LAZ or any galleries???
Has anyone had any official word on this from either LAZ or any galleries???
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