[a4mnt]

No access to the forum all week, so hope this isn't duplicated.

Anyone know how much this JD went for ?

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[corblimeylimey]

banksyforum.proboards82.com/index.cgi?board=ebaychat&action=display&thread=1184061434

[©hief']

Ha, just a little discussion on this one banksyforum.proboards82.com/index.cgi?board=ebaychat&action=display&thread=1184061434 Sold to a forum member for £2.5K

[a4mnt]

sorry guys, on a course all week. no internet barely.

missed hell houndz and all

£2500, thats just ridiculous.

one on now for £3000, how greedy is that.

[pkt75]

You can thank 'Mrs H' for that!!!

[misteraitch]

pkt75 said:

You can thank 'Mrs H' for that!!!

bwahahahah!!!!!!!!!! ;D (there's a few more exclamation marks for you )

Sorry, haven't got time to respond properly I'm busy changing my skirt

[johnas]

lol... careful not to ladder those tights now!!

[pkt75]

Its amazin how people on these forums find the most unfunniest things, funny! I see 'LOL' dramaticaly over-used after the most geeky type responses far too often.

A need to belong I suppose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[johnas]

pkt75 said:

Its amazin how people on these forums find the most unfunniest things, funny! I see 'LOL' dramaticaly over-used after the most geeky type responses far too often.

A need to belong I suppose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so you know what MrH looks like pkt75? perhaps if you did you'd realise why the image of him in a dress could be quite amusing

[pkt75]

Maybe she could send us a couple of pics of her in her finest frock and we could sell em on the Bay. They have to be worth £2500 to someone!!!!!!

[wildbill]

pkt75 said:

Its amazin how people on these forums find the most unfunniest things, funny! I see 'LOL' dramaticaly over-used after the most geeky type responses far too often.

A need to belong I suppose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL

[misteraitch]

pkt75 said:

Maybe she could send us a couple of pics of her in her finest frock and we could sell em on the Bay. They have to be worth £2500 to someone!!!!!!

Not to you - you can't afford it

oh wait - what's this on the floor...

..it's pkt75s dummy - bless his little cotton socks - he must have dropped it when went off in a sulk yet again ;D

[misteraitch]

johnas said:

lol... careful not to ladder those tights now!!

I didn't find this response geeky in slightest - I actually found it rather amusing, and particularly liked the way Johnas attempted to diffuse the petty name calling that was beginning to take place (+1) ;D

[pkt75]

Did u pass on ur sense of humour as a part payment 4 ur overpriced JD, mate?
If ur gonna be silly enough to be overcharged and scream the fact on this site just to show off, then expect some banter and have some witty responses on the ready nextime.

I may not be able to afford £3000 grand for a JD now and yes im a little upset by that, Tho i could have afforded the £1600 that it was worth b4 u mate. Why should Art be a 'Rich Mans' Hobby?
If thats wot ur implying 'Mrs H' by ur statment above, ur an even bigger tosser than i thought mate!!

[dave313perry]

Man i hate these thread that clog up the site with endless banter- theres gona be nobody who comes out better from this argument, just chill and dont worry about it!!! these things happen (what exactly happened apart from someone paying a little over the odds for a piece they really wanted)!! can we get back to talking bout Art now and not financial bollox!! please???

[dave313perry]

Getting far too personal- down point of ebay!! and peoples honesty!!

[Deleted]

pkt75 said:

Did u pass on ur sense of humour as a part payment 4 ur overpriced JD, mate?
If ur gonna be silly enough to be overcharged and scream the fact on this site just to show off, then expect some banter and have some witty responses on the ready nextime.

I may not be able to afford £3000 grand for a JD now and yes im a little upset by that, Tho i could have afforded the £1600 that it was worth b4 u mate. Why should Art be a 'Rich Mans' Hobby?
I thats wot ur implying 'Mrs H' by ur statment above, ur an even bigger tosser than i thiught mate!!

art can be as cheap or as expensive as you want it to be, it definatley isn't just 'a rich mans hobby' bought some lovely stuff over the last few weeks which cost less than £50. i am only guessing here, but i would say that at least 90% of people on this forum were into art when judgement day was released, even if you couldn't make it to santas ghetto or were one of the lucky few to get one from pow when they went up briefly, have had the chance to buy one of ebay from around the £550 to £680 mark for months. if you didn't pick one up then well, it aint anyones fault, but your own. if you don't like the way the art market operates, i would say stay away from it, especially ebay. it is hard to have everything you want in life.
i sold a judgement day when i needed the cash for £560 and although it would be lovely to have got more for it, you won't catch me moaning about it.
MrH is a decent bloke who has done favours for forum members(so i am reliably told), so let him spend his cash however he likes and lets put this childishness to bed.

[pkt75]

You got me there!!!
I wish i had to got one now at that time. I was waitin 4 the new Dface pieces that i knew where coming at the time so I kept my cash for that. Should have got JD then as it would have been cheaper to buy the d* pieces from the Bay even as they are now.
Never mind!

Appolgies 'Mrs H', My dummies firmly fixed back in gob!!!

[jonpud]

+1 from me slammer! Well said mate!

[misteraitch]

Ok, this is my last response to this thread as it’s become far too personal for my liking:

Just to clarify, I never came on the forum to gloat at how much the JD cost me - I came on in response to the fact that I was unwittingly named in an earlier thread as the person who purchased the print at the (overpriced) BIN price. To be honest I'd rather nobody knew that I’d bought it, but unfortunately anyone can watch an item on ebay and see the resulting cost and the winning bidder. So once my name was mentioned I thought it only fair to respond

I work damned hard for my money therefore I can do whatever as I see fit with it, whether that’s buying a copyright print at a recent show for £75 or my Judgement Day for more money than sense. The money didn’t come out of anyone’s account but mine so I really don’t see the issue. I think the real issue is that certain individuals will now crawl out of the woodwork and cite my auction as justification for their greed, a fact that was mentioned earlier. However, due to the responses I’ve received regarding my purchase I can’t really see them making a sale, so if no-one else is prepared to pay that kind of price then I can see their prices coming down

As for stating that Art is a rich mans pursuit - I meant no such thing – it was purely a childish response to an earlier statement directed at me. There are people on the forum that rely on the £50 thread, including me, just as much as those who are serious art collectors. What’s important to me is the image, and if I like it I’ll buy it, whether it’s £50, £1600 or £2500. There are others that purchase purely to sell on for immediate profit – so who’s more of a bad guy me or them? As an aspiring artist myself, if I thought it was a rich mans pursuit I’d hike up my prices significantly, but instead I try to keep the price of the art that I produce at a low cost as I’d rather it was affordable to everyone and not just a select few.

My only crime is paying what I was prepared to pay for a print that I really wanted, and for that I have been called a fool, stupid and a tosser. Ok, so you're all entitled to your opinions, and I like a good laugh with the rest of you but when it becomes an unfounded personal attack, or childish name calling because someone is upset, then I'll respond accordingly.

I apologise to anyone that I have offended or upset because of my recent purchase

MrH

[bristolmassive]

misteraitch you have absolutely nothing to apologise about. Period.

Fair play slammer a point made extremely well.

Pkt75 - take your negativity somewhere else please. I reckon if you read your posts again you'll realise what a total arse you're being.

This is a great piece and worth what someone is willing to pay - lets pls move on.

[jonpud]

Again, well said. You have an amazing print on its way to you, mine is framed and pride of place, I will post some photo's as soon as FF is framed up next to it, hopefully you will do the same!

Good luck to you!

[Strange Al]

I completely agree that:
i) JD is a great piece;
ii) Mr Aitch can do what he likes with his money and has nothing to apologise for;
iii) pkt75 hasn't conveyed his point in a particularly constructive manner;
iv) personal attacks are absolutely uncalled for and shouldn't be tolerated; and
v) it's about time this debate was put to bed.

However, I do think the underlying issue which pkt has raised is very valid and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. Although you can draw many parallels between the street art market and the art market more generally, IMO they are very different in certain respects. Particularly, at this end of the market. While I fully accept that a single sale on Ebay does not determine the long term value of a piece of art, in the street art market it can have a major impact on the perceived value of a print. As an aside, for me this fact illustrates just how fragile the whole market really is.

As I said above, there's nothing inherently wrong with Mr Aitch spending what he thinks is a reasonable sum and no apologies are necessary. Though, fact is because of that one sale at well over the odds, JD's are now commanding substantially more today than a couple of weeks ago. Compare FF and SMS, both of which have traditionally been considered more desirable and neither of which have regularly commanded £2.5K. Meanwhile an Ebay seller refuses offers of well over £2K for their JD. The chance of PKT or anyone else securing a JD for under £2K between now and the LA show are greatly diminished because of that one sale. Getting one for under £2K after the LA show will probably be nigh on impossible. OK, you can argue the mantra "you snooze you lose". Though, without that one sale things would still look very different IMO and maybe pkt would still have had time to save enough money to buy a print he loves. Neither he nor anyone else could have predicted that someone would pay almost £1K more for a print than the going rate.

[manchestermike]

I want that signed Bombhugger that I was offered last year for £400... but people paid more and the prices went up
I want that 21st Century Love for £500... but people paid more and the prices went up

What is the "going rate"? If you like it and can afford it then buy it or mark my words, you'll regret it... ignore the "going rate" there is no such thing.

Look at the Laz Micallef prints - I love them and I know they'll go up in value, but once again I'm umming and ahhing about something... kind of like when I missed the Banksy 4 soupcan Laz prints... I'll probably kick myself for it again

Judgement Day is one of THE prints of the last couple of years, it's phenomenal and I personally think Mr Aitch got something of a bargain with this one - those people who bought it for less a total bargain.

I guess what I'm trying to say is prices will go up, so if you're not sure about it, and can afford it then buy it now... don't wait or you'll be kicking yourself. If you can't afford it don't whine about it, buy something else - there is so much stuff I want that I can't afford, so what, there is lots about I can...

[alvington89]

jjoschi.

Interesting point about SMS and FF. FF is an edition of 250 and although it was £ 50.00 less than JD when originally issued (£ 250.00)
I would have thought that just the fact that the edition size is half that of JD would mean it would command more.
There is an FF on ebay at the moment so we shall see.
Ebay is a very strange beast and seems to be the barometer by which prices are judged (Inevitably if a print suddenly goes for alot more than it had previously fetched, then the galleries see this and up thieir prices accordingly. This in turn hypes up the level of perceived desirability and so the engine turns. The other important factor here is that since a year has passed the baggers and flippers will have moved this print on long ago and now the supply has dried up the prints that are appearing are most likely because some owners are seeing the high prices that these prints now command and are then tempted to sell.
It is very strange how quickly prices have hiked up over the last month and there is now a sudden clamour for prints that were previously available for much less.

[Strange Al]

Mike - you know as well as I do that there is such a thing as a "going rate". At this end of the street art market the "going rate" tends to be the price at which the prints sell on Ebay, i.e., Ebay is the barometer people use to determine what the market value is (as Alvington already said). The last JD to sell on Ebay before Mr Aitch's, sold on Jul 5 and went for £1.5K. I'd suggest that was the going rate at the time. If you need further proof, look at the numerous other offers made on the JD Mr Aitch bought - they were all below £1.5K. So, what happened in the 5 days between the two sales for values to almost double? Nothing.

I completely agree that prices for Micallef's work are on the up and that they are likely (though not guaranteed) to continue to rise until well after the LA show and British Museum tour. If I was looking at artists in the "scene", I'd definitely say that Mic is one of the better bets for someone who has the potential for a great long term career. He's a talented artist and his imagery has wide general appeal, plus his name is already being mentioned in the right circles.

Though whether prices will definitely continue to rise and, more importantly, are sustainable in the long term is a completely different matter. I've said it before, but that's very much dependent on numerous external factors - most of which we have absolutely no information about or control over. This is one of the main reasons I generally don't get involved in discussions on value - too much speculation in a market which IMO is actually pretty unstable. I think living by the general mantra “buy while you can or you may end up kicking yourself” is incredibly dangerous in this market. For me the only mantra is and always will be “buy what you enjoy and spend what you can afford to lose”. Funnily enough, I think that’s exactly what Mr Aitch did. Just so happens he drove the prices up in doing so.

[ricosg11]

jjoschi44 said:

Mike - you know as well as I do that there is such a thing as a "going rate". At this end of the street art market the "going rate" tends to be the price at which the prints sell on Ebay, i.e., Ebay is the barometer people use to determine what the market value is (as Alvington already said). The last JD to sell on Ebay before Mr Aitch's, sold on Jul 5 and went for £1.5K. I'd suggest that was the going rate at the time. If you need further proof, look at the numerous other offers made on the JD Mr Aitch bought - they were all below £1.5K. So, what happened in the 5 days between the two sales for values to almost double? Nothing.

I completely agree that prices for Micallef's work are on the up and that they are likely (though not guaranteed) to continue to rise until well after the LA show and British Museum tour. If I was looking at artists in the "scene", I'd definitely say that Mic is one of the better bets for someone who has the potential for a great long term career. He's a talented artist and his imagery has wide general appeal, plus his name is already being mentioned in the right circles.

Though whether prices will definitely continue to rise and, more importantly, are sustainable in the long term is a completely different matter. I've said it before, but that's very much dependent on numerous external factors - most of which we have absolutely no information about or control over. This is one of the main reasons I generally don't get involved in discussions on value - too much speculation in a market which IMO is actually pretty unstable. I think living by the general mantra “buy while you can or you may end up kicking yourself” is incredibly dangerous in this market. For me the only mantra is and always will be “buy what you enjoy and spend what you can afford to lose”. Funnily enough, I think that’s exactly what Mr Aitch did. Just so happens he drove the prices up in doing so.

very well put.

I have probably the best story surrounding the purchase of my JD. I posted a message on another board requesting if anyone was in the UK ( I am in NY) and they would be at the ghetto to piick me up a copy and I offered full cost plus a shat at of their choice.

A guy I never met or spoke to took me up on the offer and even mailed it to me before I paid anything. He carried my print and his prints all over Europe for a couple weeks. Now we chat online on almost a daily basis. And I have an awesome JD. Its nice to know there are still people like that out there.

[corblimeylimey]

billiam said:

pkt75 said:

Its amazin how people on these forums find the most unfunniest things, funny! I see 'LOL' dramaticaly over-used after the most geeky type responses far too often.

A need to belong I suppose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL

You beat me too it, but.....


LOL

[Strange Al]

Rico - agreed, nice story.

So are you responsible for the guy's addiction to prints or is this something he had before visiting the Ghetto for you?

[ricosg11]

nah hes more into the lowbrow american scene in my opinion, but he wouldnt have gotten himself a jd if it wasnt for me. Even sent me the receipt the other day when i asked if he still had it. I only wish I could return such a favor for him one day.