Banksy • Flower Thrower • Love is in the Air

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retrocanvas said:

I have the info as i've been keeping my eye on banksy sales for a while now. Just because I come from and excel, stat driven background from previous jobs (i think some also call it SAD )

That 500 quider was an unnumbered one i think so was likely to be a ack door print and worth less. £500 less by the looks of things.

Retro

victorwilliams said:

All in good time retro, how the hell do you have all that infomation! and thats definatly info on just the unsigned ones yeah? I looked on the completed listings last week and one just went for 500 and summit quid this right!!!?

you guys should check this out:

www.Expressobeans/public/detail.php/51721

look around the site a little bit. it is missing a lot of good info about banksy and the likes, so feel free to sign up and add things.

[woolander]

I will be putting my Love Is In The Air picture on Ebay on Sunday for a week.

I know it is now very sought after so if you are interested I'd be willing to listen to sensible market value offers by mail.

I have an email confirmation from POW for this print

Cheers.

[jffriedman]

www.obeygiant.com/store/index.php?main_page=products_new&zenid=5d4b2e4569b84f43ed9e2e880e843331

[manchestermike]

Signed?

[RBK]

Read the post title

[Winter]

I didn't want to say anything!

[slacker]

winter said:

I didn't want to say anything!

title was changed - that's why the question seems silly.

look above mike's post to see what the title was when he responded.

[RBK]

slacker said:

winter said:

I didn't want to say anything!

title was changed - that's why the question seems silly.

look above mike's post to see what the title was when he responded.

I stand corrected then and apologize to mike. He knows I like him anyways.

[gbh]

so wtf? is this thread about a print selling or SF?

if the print, is it up yet? Can't seem to see it.

[runyaga]

Hi guys. Need some Forum Wisdom.

There is a guy offering 'Love is in the Air' and its not numbered. Here is his story, "Hi, this print was purchased from the SEMI-PERMANENT Design
conference in Sydney, Australia in April of 2003. Although I
didn't receive a receipt for this and if I did would more than
likely not be around being 4 years later. Banksy exhibited for
this event and there were a small number of his prints for sale at
the conference. It was bought from Andrew Johnstone, the
organiser of this event and founder of www.designiskinky.net.
That is all I can tell you. Thanks for your interest and good luck!"

Here are his pictures:
(C) Banksy:
farm1.static.flickr.com/125/386435176_f9f6423fa6_o.jpg

Others pictures:
farm1.static.flickr.com/178/386435136_a9ba81c177_o.jpg
farm1.static.flickr.com/171/386435213_c58b691c23_o.jpg
farm1.static.flickr.com/129/386435255_11c57abdfa_o.jpg
farm1.static.flickr.com/125/386435296_bc55812ccb_o.jpg

seem good? the red looks a bit 'washed out' but I've not seen this print in real life.. would really appreciate your help

[absyrd]

That auction ended, didn't it?

If you won it and are now doubting it, my suggestion would be to google the crap out of that design conference and/or shoot out some emails to those knowing of Banksy's whereabouts during that time period.

[runyaga]

from the Conference Organizer (who he refers to):
"""
In conjunction with the main conference, the SEMI-PERMANENT Graffiti & Street Art Exhibition will be held at a gallery nearby (to be announced). We have currently confirmed six talented artists (including internationally renowned Shepard Fairey, Banksy and Perks) to participate in the exhibition.
"""

www.agda.com.au/eventsnews/nsw/events/2003/SemiP.html

[absyrd]

That seems like a decent reference.

I'd still attack it from the other angle, though.

[tomhills1]

check the thread about expensive posters, it relates to this specific item. suffice to say with no real provenance it's an iffy purchase, without numbering and therefore outside of the edition it is nothing more than an expensive poster.

[tomhills1]

by the way it looks like it is a genuine screenprint it's just a backdoor job. it will look and taste the same, it's just not worth anywhere near the same as a numbered edition. couple of hundred pounds maybe.

[runyaga]

But is it?

This is a conference in Australia in 2003. Did (banksy?) guys have a their sh!t together to number all of their prints? Especially if they were sending them out to other places?

I'm trying to do the research on it.

I'm less interested in 'flipping it for profit'.. but if I do sell it in a few years -- I dont want to *lose* money. I'm not a scalper. Just that 300 pound is a lot of money.

I imagine for 300 pound I can find numbered banksy prints (?)

[numusic]

runyaga said:

Hi guys. Need some Forum Wisdom.

There is a guy offering 'Love is in the Air' and its not numbered. Here is his story, "Hi, this print was purchased from the SEMI-PERMANENT Design
conference in Sydney, Australia in April of 2003. Although I
didn't receive a receipt for this and if I did would more than
likely not be around being 4 years later. Banksy exhibited for
this event and there were a small number of his prints for sale at
the conference. It was bought from Andrew Johnstone, the
organiser of this event and founder of www.designiskinky.net.
That is all I can tell you. Thanks for your interest and good luck!"

Here are his pictures:
(C) Banksy:
farm1.static.flickr.com/125/386435176_f9f6423fa6_o.jpg

Others pictures:
farm1.static.flickr.com/178/386435136_a9ba81c177_o.jpg
farm1.static.flickr.com/171/386435213_c58b691c23_o.jpg
farm1.static.flickr.com/129/386435255_11c57abdfa_o.jpg
farm1.static.flickr.com/125/386435296_bc55812ccb_o.jpg

seem good? the red looks a bit 'washed out' but I've not seen this print in real life.. would really appreciate your help

if it's not numberred then it's not worth anything close to markert price, maybe 200 quid maximum. There are a few ways these have arrived on the open market, a) Backdoor prints from the old printers who knocked up a few extra outside of the edition to flog on b) "gifts" for services renderred (these would usually be signed though) c) Samples for secondary sellers (used as window dressing or as sales samples etc).

Non of the above are part of the official edition, and unless signed, are not taken seriously by collectors etc.

Hope that helps

[numusic]

runyaga said:

from the Conference Organizer (who he refers to):
"""
In conjunction with the main conference, the SEMI-PERMANENT Graffiti & Street Art Exhibition will be held at a gallery nearby (to be announced). We have currently confirmed six talented artists (including internationally renowned Shepard Fairey, Banksy and Perks) to participate in the exhibition.
"""

www.agda.com.au/eventsnews/nsw/events/2003/SemiP.html

The event is kosher, the print isn't

[absyrd]

See how much you are questioning it right now? Imagine how it is going to be when you go to resell it and you weren't the original owner. The best thing you can do for yourself is TONS of homework regarding the origin of it and see if it is not numbered for a reason.

Even if you don't resell it, every day you look at it you'll be that much more confident that it is real and be able to enjoy it that much more.

And didn't it go for quite a bit over 300 pounds?

[runyaga]

Allrighty.. I'm in touch with the Semi Perm 2003 event co-ordinator who originally sold the print to the ebay guy. I'm asking him to provide provenance and why it wasnt numbered. This seems to be the real deal. I expect that if I can get provenance from the original seller, Andrew Johnstone (organizer of semi-perm and designiskinky) then I'm golden.

This might be good feedback to the forum why some 'official' prints may not have numbers (if indeed this is a official/kosher print).

I have a sneaking suspicion 4 years ago they werent thinking so much about numbers as much as quality prints and representation at the event in sydney.

[corblimeylimey]

Please post your findings runyaga, it's an interesting story.

[numusic]

runyaga said:

Allrighty.. I'm in touch with the Semi Perm 2003 event co-ordinator who originally sold the print to the ebay guy. I'm asking him to provide provenance and why it wasnt numbered. This seems to be the real deal. I expect that if I can get provenance from the original seller, Andrew Johnstone (organizer of semi-perm and designiskinky) then I'm golden.

This might be good feedback to the forum why some 'official' prints may not have numbers (if indeed this is a official/kosher print).

I have a sneaking suspicion 4 years ago they werent thinking so much about numbers as much as quality prints and representation at the event in sydney.

Makes not a jot of difference, no number or signature, then pretty worthless. Yes, you'll have the same image and same quality, but it'll be impossible to sell on to anyone other than a newcomer to collecting.. and these are getting less and less as prices get higher and higher.

[policeaware]

No number no traceability, how can it be proved that you are all talking about the same print if it has no unique feature like a number or signature.

I seem to remember this designiskinky bloke trying to sell some unnumbered prints on ebay himself not so long ago.

Unnumbered prints were sent out, on occasion, as samples for display purposes therefore rendering them disposable, they were never provided for resale. I bought plenty of prints in 2003 and they were all numbered.

numusic said:

runyaga said:

Allrighty.. I'm in touch with the Semi Perm 2003 event co-ordinator who originally sold the print to the ebay guy. I'm asking him to provide provenance and why it wasnt numbered. This seems to be the real deal. I expect that if I can get provenance from the original seller, Andrew Johnstone (organizer of semi-perm and designiskinky) then I'm golden.

This might be good feedback to the forum why some 'official' prints may not have numbers (if indeed this is a official/kosher print).

I have a sneaking suspicion 4 years ago they werent thinking so much about numbers as much as quality prints and representation at the event in sydney.

Makes not a jot of difference, no number or signature, then pretty worthless. Yes, you'll have the same image and same quality, but it'll be impossible to sell on to anyone other than a newcomer to collecting.. and these are getting less and less as prices get higher and higher.

[numusic]

policeaware said:

No number no traceability, how can it be proved that you are all talking about the same print if it has no unique feature like a number or signature.

I seem to remember this designiskinky bloke trying to sell some unnumbered prints on ebay himself not so long ago.

numusic said:

Makes not a jot of difference, no number or signature, then pretty worthless. Yes, you'll have the same image and same quality, but it'll be impossible to sell on to anyone other than a newcomer to collecting.. and these are getting less and less as prices get higher and higher.

Posted an interview with them and banksy earlier..

www.designiskinky.net/profiles/banksy.html

I imagine Mr B or POW/LAZ gave them some samples to exhibit and now they're surfacing. Very doubtful they were given to sell on

[policeaware]

lol, crossed posts NU.

[christianw]

Due to this item being sold on ebay to someone that couldn't afford it, I am now re-selling it. Anyone interested give me a shout with a reasonable offer.

Reluctantly selling this genuine Banksy print due to moving house. As this is an early print there is no Pictures On Walls stamp but it is genuine. It’s numbered 184 out of 500. Perfect condition as it was bought framed and I’m selling it as such. Print dimensions are 50 x 70cm. I bought this from Tom Tom shop in London just over three years ago. If you are in doubt over the authenticity, feel free to contact POW who should be able to confirm that this number was issued to Tom Tom. This print is available collection only, you might even get a cup of tea as well.

Cheers.

[Zippy]

hi, please tell us all how much you want for it?
And is it cash only or swap + cash to make it easier for us?
Z

[christianw]

I was after about £1,300 for it, cash only.

[christianw]

Or offers there or there abouts.

[Zippy]

i can see the tumbleweeds blowing through this posting.....!!