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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by manchestermike on Mar 4, 2009 12:30:07 GMT 1, The mark of success of a print is that it sells out instantly? Wholly disagree, all that an instant sell out means is that it is flippable. For me this TOX print is the single biggest success of the last 12 months and what makes it 100 times better is you can still buy itAre you being serious; not having a go just interested? Why is this print such a massive success (considering it's been a strong 12 months)? 
It has caused more of a stir and interest than any other print I can think of in the last year, it has got people talking about the art and merits of it (or lack of them in some eyes) for the first time in a long time. It makes such a massive change from the usual Nick Walker or D*Face print release. I really can't remember the last time a print provoked such a debate. It's done exactly what SOS wanted it to do and focused people back on the art rather than what it can be flipped for next week. It's also a massive coup by SOS to get the most prolific street artist/graff artist/vandal (delete as applicable) in the UK and possibly the World to do this print. I don't think you'll see TOX do any more work in this way and as a result when in years to come people look back on street art this will go down as one of the single most important prints released.
The mark of success of a print is that it sells out instantly? Wholly disagree, all that an instant sell out means is that it is flippable. For me this TOX print is the single biggest success of the last 12 months and what makes it 100 times better is you can still buy itAre you being serious; not having a go just interested? Why is this print such a massive success (considering it's been a strong 12 months)? It has caused more of a stir and interest than any other print I can think of in the last year, it has got people talking about the art and merits of it (or lack of them in some eyes) for the first time in a long time. It makes such a massive change from the usual Nick Walker or D*Face print release. I really can't remember the last time a print provoked such a debate. It's done exactly what SOS wanted it to do and focused people back on the art rather than what it can be flipped for next week. It's also a massive coup by SOS to get the most prolific street artist/graff artist/vandal (delete as applicable) in the UK and possibly the World to do this print. I don't think you'll see TOX do any more work in this way and as a result when in years to come people look back on street art this will go down as one of the single most important prints released. |
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by rillo on Mar 4, 2009 12:41:59 GMT 1, As soon as I heard rumblings about this release I was excited to see peopleβs reaction to the print on my wall. More so with any other print I think. A lot of people don't get my Banksy's, hate my Micallefs but this, I have no idea how they will react...
As soon as I heard rumblings about this release I was excited to see peopleβs reaction to the print on my wall. More so with any other print I think. A lot of people don't get my Banksy's, hate my Micallefs but this, I have no idea how they will react...
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by hlarmy on Mar 4, 2009 12:43:08 GMT 1, Are you being serious; not having a go just interested? Why is this print such a massive success (considering it's been a strong 12 months)? It has caused more of a stir and interest than any other print I can think of in the last year, it has got people talking about the art and merits of it (or lack of them in some eyes) for the first time in a long time. It makes such a massive change from the usual Nick Walker or D*Face print release. I really can't remember the last time a print provoked such a debate. It's done exactly what SOS wanted it to do and focused people back on the art rather than what it can be flipped for next week. It's also a massive coup by SOS to get the most prolific street artist/graff artist/vandal (delete as applicable) in the UK and possibly the World to do this print. I don't think you'll see TOX do any more work in this way and as a result when in years to come people look back on street art this will go down as one of the single most important prints released.
Good answer Michael, I agree with much of the above but, from my point of view, I buy art that I want to frame, hang on the wall and enjoy. I wouldn't consider buying this to frame and hang for one second, although I would say that about 99% of art I see so, on that note, I guess this print is no exception. Looking forward to seeing yours framed 
By the way, I've lived in London for the best part of three years and yet to see the tag - the only place I've seen it is scrawled all over a Banksy or a Harrington which gives me even less reason to buy it.
Are you being serious; not having a go just interested? Why is this print such a massive success (considering it's been a strong 12 months)? It has caused more of a stir and interest than any other print I can think of in the last year, it has got people talking about the art and merits of it (or lack of them in some eyes) for the first time in a long time. It makes such a massive change from the usual Nick Walker or D*Face print release. I really can't remember the last time a print provoked such a debate. It's done exactly what SOS wanted it to do and focused people back on the art rather than what it can be flipped for next week. It's also a massive coup by SOS to get the most prolific street artist/graff artist/vandal (delete as applicable) in the UK and possibly the World to do this print. I don't think you'll see TOX do any more work in this way and as a result when in years to come people look back on street art this will go down as one of the single most important prints released. Good answer Michael, I agree with much of the above but, from my point of view, I buy art that I want to frame, hang on the wall and enjoy. I wouldn't consider buying this to frame and hang for one second, although I would say that about 99% of art I see so, on that note, I guess this print is no exception. Looking forward to seeing yours framed By the way, I've lived in London for the best part of three years and yet to see the tag - the only place I've seen it is scrawled all over a Banksy or a Harrington which gives me even less reason to buy it. |
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by bullet on Mar 4, 2009 13:11:05 GMT 1, one of the most talked about prints since any of the banksy ones...now there is something fun
great thread.
one of the most talked about prints since any of the banksy ones...now there is something fun
great thread.
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by manchestermike on Mar 4, 2009 13:14:22 GMT 1, one of the most talked about prints since any of the banksy ones...now there is something fun
For entirely different reasons though
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by bullet on Mar 4, 2009 13:18:23 GMT 1, maybe, maybe not for different reasons.
there is an invisible film over everything banksy does where people feel the need to go gooey at the knees straight away, even if the work is not actually that good.
a new one comes along, of course they are going to dig into it, its human nature like a gang coming onto your turf.
Its different, i think its quite funny and its just paper afterall.
maybe, maybe not for different reasons.
there is an invisible film over everything banksy does where people feel the need to go gooey at the knees straight away, even if the work is not actually that good.
a new one comes along, of course they are going to dig into it, its human nature like a gang coming onto your turf.
Its different, i think its quite funny and its just paper afterall.
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by twist65 on Mar 4, 2009 13:21:32 GMT 1, I agree with Mike too. I don't want a TOX print, i'm not from London so it doesn't really mean much to me, but i'm glad its out there and provoking reactions! This thread is a great read. I imagine fine art collectors would react to Banksy/Walker print releases in exactly the same way many people here are reacting to TOX.
I agree with Mike too. I don't want a TOX print, i'm not from London so it doesn't really mean much to me, but i'm glad its out there and provoking reactions! This thread is a great read. I imagine fine art collectors would react to Banksy/Walker print releases in exactly the same way many people here are reacting to TOX.
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by bullet on Mar 4, 2009 13:26:36 GMT 1, everyone has tastes i guess, if you look down the threads, when the idea was first raised of tox doing a print people were loving the idea.
Now everyone is turning? Is it a matter of people following other peoples reactions i wonder like upon any print or new piece on the streets.
Trends are a thing which most people dont realise straight away. Twitter has been around for nearly 2 years afterall and look at that now...
everyone has tastes i guess, if you look down the threads, when the idea was first raised of tox doing a print people were loving the idea.
Now everyone is turning? Is it a matter of people following other peoples reactions i wonder like upon any print or new piece on the streets.
Trends are a thing which most people dont realise straight away. Twitter has been around for nearly 2 years afterall and look at that now...
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by bullet on Mar 4, 2009 13:28:42 GMT 1, before anyone says it i dont mean its a trend, im saying that people tend to follow what everyone else likes and then eventually starts liking what they hated before.
brussel sprouts.
before anyone says it i dont mean its a trend, im saying that people tend to follow what everyone else likes and then eventually starts liking what they hated before.
brussel sprouts.
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by grantb on Mar 4, 2009 13:32:23 GMT 1, bought
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by bullet on Mar 4, 2009 13:35:22 GMT 1, By the way, I've lived in London for the best part of three years and yet to see the tag do you not use trains or tubes? If you drive/ride a bike everywhere then that's fair. if you take a train or a tube, look out of the window I love the idea of this print, but wouldn't want it on my wall, but agree that SOS have scored a big coup here by getting TOX to do this.
Please address emails to hlarmy at:
MR_MAGOO@SPECSAVERS.COM
By the way, I've lived in London for the best part of three years and yet to see the tag do you not use trains or tubes? If you drive/ride a bike everywhere then that's fair. if you take a train or a tube, look out of the window I love the idea of this print, but wouldn't want it on my wall, but agree that SOS have scored a big coup here by getting TOX to do this. Please address emails to hlarmy at: MR_MAGOO@SPECSAVERS.COM |
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by wiz on Mar 4, 2009 13:37:20 GMT 1, Just to say here that Hlarmy has a chauffeur to drive him around town (ex army i believe)
Just to say here that Hlarmy has a chauffeur to drive him around town (ex army i believe) |
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by manty on Mar 4, 2009 13:42:10 GMT 1, Are you being serious; not having a go just interested? Why is this print such a massive success (considering it's been a strong 12 months)? It has caused more of a stir and interest than any other print I can think of in the last year, it has got people talking about the art and merits of it (or lack of them in some eyes) for the first time in a long time. It makes such a massive change from the usual Nick Walker or D*Face print release. I really can't remember the last time a print provoked such a debate. It's done exactly what SOS wanted it to do and focused people back on the art rather than what it can be flipped for next week. It's also a massive coup by SOS to get the most prolific street artist/graff artist/vandal (delete as applicable) in the UK and possibly the World to do this print. I don't think you'll see TOX do any more work in this way and as a result when in years to come people look back on street art this will go down as one of the single most important prints released.
good post Mike,
i knew you had it in you ;-)
Are you being serious; not having a go just interested? Why is this print such a massive success (considering it's been a strong 12 months)? It has caused more of a stir and interest than any other print I can think of in the last year, it has got people talking about the art and merits of it (or lack of them in some eyes) for the first time in a long time. It makes such a massive change from the usual Nick Walker or D*Face print release. I really can't remember the last time a print provoked such a debate. It's done exactly what SOS wanted it to do and focused people back on the art rather than what it can be flipped for next week. It's also a massive coup by SOS to get the most prolific street artist/graff artist/vandal (delete as applicable) in the UK and possibly the World to do this print. I don't think you'll see TOX do any more work in this way and as a result when in years to come people look back on street art this will go down as one of the single most important prints released. good post Mike, i knew you had it in you ;-) |
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by cashman on Mar 4, 2009 13:47:03 GMT 1, do you not use trains or tubes? If you drive/ride a bike everywhere then that's fair. if you take a train or a tube, look out of the window I love the idea of this print, but wouldn't want it on my wall, but agree that SOS have scored a big coup here by getting TOX to do this. Please address emails to hlarmy at: MR_MAGOO@SPECSAVERS.COM
Actually laughing out loud ;D
do you not use trains or tubes? If you drive/ride a bike everywhere then that's fair. if you take a train or a tube, look out of the window I love the idea of this print, but wouldn't want it on my wall, but agree that SOS have scored a big coup here by getting TOX to do this. Please address emails to hlarmy at: MR_MAGOO@SPECSAVERS.COM Actually laughing out loud ;D |
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by grantb on Mar 4, 2009 13:59:23 GMT 1, It has caused more of a stir and interest than any other print I can think of in the last year, it has got people talking about the art and merits of it (or lack of them in some eyes) for the first time in a long time. It makes such a massive change from the usual Nick Walker or D*Face print release. I really can't remember the last time a print provoked such a debate. It's done exactly what SOS wanted it to do and focused people back on the art rather than what it can be flipped for next week. It's also a massive coup by SOS to get the most prolific street artist/graff artist/vandal (delete as applicable) in the UK and possibly the World to do this print. I don't think you'll see TOX do any more work in this way and as a result when in years to come people look back on street art this will go down as one of the single most important prints released. good post Mike, i knew you had it in you ;-)
yeh great post 
It has caused more of a stir and interest than any other print I can think of in the last year, it has got people talking about the art and merits of it (or lack of them in some eyes) for the first time in a long time. It makes such a massive change from the usual Nick Walker or D*Face print release. I really can't remember the last time a print provoked such a debate. It's done exactly what SOS wanted it to do and focused people back on the art rather than what it can be flipped for next week. It's also a massive coup by SOS to get the most prolific street artist/graff artist/vandal (delete as applicable) in the UK and possibly the World to do this print. I don't think you'll see TOX do any more work in this way and as a result when in years to come people look back on street art this will go down as one of the single most important prints released. good post Mike, i knew you had it in you ;-) yeh great post |
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by bradpitt on Mar 4, 2009 14:58:23 GMT 1, before anyone says it i dont mean its a trend, im saying that people tend to follow what everyone else likes and then eventually starts liking what they hated before. brussel sprouts.
Are you kidding Jboy? I think your the one who first off wanted Tox to jump in front of a train - now you love the print.
before anyone says it i dont mean its a trend, im saying that people tend to follow what everyone else likes and then eventually starts liking what they hated before. brussel sprouts. Are you kidding Jboy? I think your the one who first off wanted Tox to jump in front of a train - now you love the print. |
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by retardthebear on Mar 4, 2009 15:11:37 GMT 1, [quote/] It's also a massive coup by SOS to get the most prolific street artist/graff artist/vandal (delete as applicable) in the UK and possibly the World to do this print. I don't think you'll see TOX do any more work in this way and as a result when in years to come people look back on street art this will go down as one of the single most important prints released.[/quote]
For any prospective buyer lets hope Mr Toxic doesn't decide he rather fancies second helpings from this gravy train. Maybe different colour ways? or maybe he'll do some past season stuff, ie TOX.03, TOX.05 etc etc :-P
[quote/] It's also a massive coup by SOS to get the most prolific street artist/graff artist/vandal (delete as applicable) in the UK and possibly the World to do this print. I don't think you'll see TOX do any more work in this way and as a result when in years to come people look back on street art this will go down as one of the single most important prints released.[/quote]
For any prospective buyer lets hope Mr Toxic doesn't decide he rather fancies second helpings from this gravy train. Maybe different colour ways? or maybe he'll do some past season stuff, ie TOX.03, TOX.05 etc etc :-P
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by manchestermike on Mar 4, 2009 15:22:26 GMT 1, [quote/] It's also a massive coup by SOS to get the most prolific street artist/graff artist/vandal (delete as applicable) in the UK and possibly the World to do this print. I don't think you'll see TOX do any more work in this way and as a result when in years to come people look back on street art this will go down as one of the single most important prints released.
For any prospective buyer lets hope Mr Toxic doesn't decide he rather fancies second helpings from this gravy train. Maybe different colour ways? or maybe he'll do some past season stuff, ie TOX.03, TOX.05 etc etc :-P[/quote]
TOX01-TOXIC will be released by SOS as a box set
[quote/] It's also a massive coup by SOS to get the most prolific street artist/graff artist/vandal (delete as applicable) in the UK and possibly the World to do this print. I don't think you'll see TOX do any more work in this way and as a result when in years to come people look back on street art this will go down as one of the single most important prints released. For any prospective buyer lets hope Mr Toxic doesn't decide he rather fancies second helpings from this gravy train. Maybe different colour ways? or maybe he'll do some past season stuff, ie TOX.03, TOX.05 etc etc :-P[/quote] TOX01-TOXIC will be released by SOS as a box set |
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by bullet on Mar 4, 2009 15:30:31 GMT 1, before anyone says it i dont mean its a trend, im saying that people tend to follow what everyone else likes and then eventually starts liking what they hated before. brussel sprouts. Are you kidding Jboy? I think your the one who first off wanted Tox to jump in front of a train - now you love the print.
Didn't say i loved it - those 4 letters are strong. However, it has caused a stir - just as much conversation as there would be on a banksy release which is interesting.
Interesting because there is obviously something there for people to get their backs up about it...
before anyone says it i dont mean its a trend, im saying that people tend to follow what everyone else likes and then eventually starts liking what they hated before. brussel sprouts. Are you kidding Jboy? I think your the one who first off wanted Tox to jump in front of a train - now you love the print. Didn't say i loved it - those 4 letters are strong. However, it has caused a stir - just as much conversation as there would be on a banksy release which is interesting. Interesting because there is obviously something there for people to get their backs up about it... |
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by Happy Shopper on Mar 4, 2009 15:32:40 GMT 1, For any prospective buyer lets hope Mr Toxic doesn't decide he rather fancies second helpings from this gravy train. Maybe different colour ways?
What's in the box set of 10 prints? 10 colour ways?
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by manchestermike on Mar 4, 2009 15:41:03 GMT 1, For any prospective buyer lets hope Mr Toxic doesn't decide he rather fancies second helpings from this gravy train. Maybe different colour ways? What's in the box set of 10 prints? 10 colour ways?
As far as I'm aware the box set is:
TOX01
TOX02
TOX03
TOX04
TOX05
TOX06
TOX07
TOX08
TOX09
TOXIC
For any prospective buyer lets hope Mr Toxic doesn't decide he rather fancies second helpings from this gravy train. Maybe different colour ways? What's in the box set of 10 prints? 10 colour ways? As far as I'm aware the box set is: TOX01 TOX02 TOX03 TOX04 TOX05 TOX06 TOX07 TOX08 TOX09 TOXIC |
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by dynamixx on Mar 4, 2009 15:55:12 GMT 1, Hey Dynamixx, cheers for the response, always more than happy to have a friendly debate. In response to your points : "And even thousands of years prior to Pompeii cavemen wrote stuff on walls, that's what's so special about graffiti compared to any other artistic movement."Of course graffiti is special, it's uncontrollable, free, straight from the mind of anyone and everyone who wants to do it, but in this instance i'm solely talking about tagging.
"New York was a definite turning point, but maybe we should save the significance of that for a different day."It most certainly was, as I somewhat alluded to"It's all just different perceptions isn't it? Where you see urban decay and crime, I see a voice given to an otherwise unspoken underclass. "
I'm not talking about my perception, i'm talking about the perception of the general public. All i'm saying is that it doesn't matter what we think, it's Granny Miggins who complains to the council which fuels their anti-graffiti campaigns"For a large chunk of dispossed nobodies with no voice, a marker or can of molotow is their only way of being heard. "
That's exactly what said in my last post.
There are far worse outlets of poverty/urban decay/frustration or whatever you want to call it. If 1% of those unsightly taggers go on to create something that this forum or bourgeois auction houses consider to be art, would their collective endevours be considered worthwhile?Of course it would, but that's not going to stop the general public being scared by their tagging. To be fair though, this debate did originate from Tox's piece, and he hasn't really progressed thus far. He of course may have a load of work i've never seen, but this piece in question is just a tag."Graf has and always will be buffed by the authorities, give or take one or two big name exceptions in recent years. Its lack of permanence is what makes it so exciting and quick to evolve. I for one am happy the establishment isn't celebrating it."Yeah, I was going to say something about that, the ephemerality of it is key, but maybe it would be better if work was replaced by other artists, as opposed to the buff? Ot maybe that loses something, not sure. Thoughts?"If big corporations can bombard me with images everywhere, even when I look up from taking a piss, then why shouldn't those who have no canvas, other than the streets, be stopped from doing so?"
I've got absolutely no problem with that, we've all read Wall and Piece, and i'm a tad surprised you think I would think otherwise, I love street art, but all I would say is that why not brighten up an area or use a witty message to put something across, not just scrawl your name.Edit : I guess not.
Sent you a PM mate
Hey Dynamixx, cheers for the response, always more than happy to have a friendly debate. In response to your points : "And even thousands of years prior to Pompeii cavemen wrote stuff on walls, that's what's so special about graffiti compared to any other artistic movement."Of course graffiti is special, it's uncontrollable, free, straight from the mind of anyone and everyone who wants to do it, but in this instance i'm solely talking about tagging.
"New York was a definite turning point, but maybe we should save the significance of that for a different day."It most certainly was, as I somewhat alluded to"It's all just different perceptions isn't it? Where you see urban decay and crime, I see a voice given to an otherwise unspoken underclass. "
I'm not talking about my perception, i'm talking about the perception of the general public. All i'm saying is that it doesn't matter what we think, it's Granny Miggins who complains to the council which fuels their anti-graffiti campaigns"For a large chunk of dispossed nobodies with no voice, a marker or can of molotow is their only way of being heard. "
That's exactly what said in my last post.
There are far worse outlets of poverty/urban decay/frustration or whatever you want to call it. If 1% of those unsightly taggers go on to create something that this forum or bourgeois auction houses consider to be art, would their collective endevours be considered worthwhile?Of course it would, but that's not going to stop the general public being scared by their tagging. To be fair though, this debate did originate from Tox's piece, and he hasn't really progressed thus far. He of course may have a load of work i've never seen, but this piece in question is just a tag."Graf has and always will be buffed by the authorities, give or take one or two big name exceptions in recent years. Its lack of permanence is what makes it so exciting and quick to evolve. I for one am happy the establishment isn't celebrating it."Yeah, I was going to say something about that, the ephemerality of it is key, but maybe it would be better if work was replaced by other artists, as opposed to the buff? Ot maybe that loses something, not sure. Thoughts?"If big corporations can bombard me with images everywhere, even when I look up from taking a piss, then why shouldn't those who have no canvas, other than the streets, be stopped from doing so?"
I've got absolutely no problem with that, we've all read Wall and Piece, and i'm a tad surprised you think I would think otherwise, I love street art, but all I would say is that why not brighten up an area or use a witty message to put something across, not just scrawl your name.Edit : I guess not. Sent you a PM mate |
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by digitalroach on Mar 4, 2009 16:13:36 GMT 1, Does anyone know when the tox locations & tours book is coming out?
Its got 40,000 detailed locations,and the tour takes about 7 years...
Does anyone know when the tox locations & tours book is coming out?
Its got 40,000 detailed locations,and the tour takes about 7 years...
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by robinbanks on Mar 4, 2009 16:13:49 GMT 1, Well I thought this was a pretty good thread n'all - that was until I got banned for stating my opinion. What a load of crap that is. No warning, no explanation, nothing!!! Not impressed!!!
I can only assume it's because I compared a TOX tag to a piece of dog crap and grantb got his knickers in a twist a went crying to the teacher. I mean, come on, it's a fair analogy isn't it? They both get everywhere, they both provoke the same response in the majority of people, they both make the place look messy, they both have the same amount of artistic flair (well maybe the poop wins that one). They don't bring anything to my environment, they don't make me pause and think, they don't brighten my day. They are both as bad as each other in my apparently unwanted opinion!
I mean ffs - it's not like I was slagging the print or the gallery and I sure as hell didn't write any hate mail. What's the fking problem?
Anyone who reads my posts will know my tongue was at least half way into my cheek when I typed it. There's been far worse typed on this thread by TOX's supporters - like fag, yuppie and worst of all - Daily Mail reader!!!
I await your response Silky!
Well I thought this was a pretty good thread n'all - that was until I got banned for stating my opinion. What a load of crap that is. No warning, no explanation, nothing!!! Not impressed!!!
I can only assume it's because I compared a TOX tag to a piece of dog crap and grantb got his knickers in a twist a went crying to the teacher. I mean, come on, it's a fair analogy isn't it? They both get everywhere, they both provoke the same response in the majority of people, they both make the place look messy, they both have the same amount of artistic flair (well maybe the poop wins that one). They don't bring anything to my environment, they don't make me pause and think, they don't brighten my day. They are both as bad as each other in my apparently unwanted opinion!
I mean ffs - it's not like I was slagging the print or the gallery and I sure as hell didn't write any hate mail. What's the fking problem?
Anyone who reads my posts will know my tongue was at least half way into my cheek when I typed it. There's been far worse typed on this thread by TOX's supporters - like fag, yuppie and worst of all - Daily Mail reader!!!
I await your response Silky!
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by retardthebear on Mar 4, 2009 16:15:55 GMT 1, What's in the box set of 10 prints? 10 colour ways? As far as I'm aware the box set is: TOX01 TOX02 TOX03 TOX04 TOX05 TOX06 TOX07 TOX08 TOX09 TOXIC
his lifes work then 
What's in the box set of 10 prints? 10 colour ways? As far as I'm aware the box set is: TOX01 TOX02 TOX03 TOX04 TOX05 TOX06 TOX07 TOX08 TOX09 TOXIC his lifes work then |
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by motor on Mar 4, 2009 16:23:47 GMT 1, The mark of success of a print is that it sells out instantly? Wholly disagree, all that an instant sell out means is that it is flippable. For me this TOX print is the single biggest success of the last 12 months and what makes it 100 times better is you can still buy it
Agree with your post MM.
Love it or hate it, it is a fantastic release by SOS (for lots of reasons which are being discussed here).
Well done.
As for the print - I love it.
IMO it is so "bad" it's simply brilliant.
Quote from SOS site says it all:
...release that bring a little bit of British Rail into your front room for your mother-in-law to pour scorn upon, you can't moan about this geezer jumping on the graffiti band wagon he's been one of the few people driving it over the past ten years while the mincey 'street art' generation milked it as dry as they could, you won't catch this one fannying around Shoreditch with a full can of paint and a flashy pair of sneakers thats for sure.
The mark of success of a print is that it sells out instantly? Wholly disagree, all that an instant sell out means is that it is flippable. For me this TOX print is the single biggest success of the last 12 months and what makes it 100 times better is you can still buy it Agree with your post MM. Love it or hate it, it is a fantastic release by SOS (for lots of reasons which are being discussed here). Well done. As for the print - I love it. IMO it is so "bad" it's simply brilliant. Quote from SOS site says it all: ...release that bring a little bit of British Rail into your front room for your mother-in-law to pour scorn upon, you can't moan about this geezer jumping on the graffiti band wagon he's been one of the few people driving it over the past ten years while the mincey 'street art' generation milked it as dry as they could, you won't catch this one fannying around Shoreditch with a full can of paint and a flashy pair of sneakers thats for sure. |
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by bmjt on Mar 4, 2009 16:49:10 GMT 1, Hey Dynamixx, cheers for the response, always more than happy to have a friendly debate. In response to your points : "And even thousands of years prior to Pompeii cavemen wrote stuff on walls, that's what's so special about graffiti compared to any other artistic movement."Of course graffiti is special, it's uncontrollable, free, straight from the mind of anyone and everyone who wants to do it, but in this instance i'm solely talking about tagging.
"New York was a definite turning point, but maybe we should save the significance of that for a different day."It most certainly was, as I somewhat alluded to"It's all just different perceptions isn't it? Where you see urban decay and crime, I see a voice given to an otherwise unspoken underclass. "
I'm not talking about my perception, i'm talking about the perception of the general public. All i'm saying is that it doesn't matter what we think, it's Granny Miggins who complains to the council which fuels their anti-graffiti campaigns"For a large chunk of dispossed nobodies with no voice, a marker or can of molotow is their only way of being heard. "
That's exactly what said in my last post.
There are far worse outlets of poverty/urban decay/frustration or whatever you want to call it. If 1% of those unsightly taggers go on to create something that this forum or bourgeois auction houses consider to be art, would their collective endevours be considered worthwhile?Of course it would, but that's not going to stop the general public being scared by their tagging. To be fair though, this debate did originate from Tox's piece, and he hasn't really progressed thus far. He of course may have a load of work i've never seen, but this piece in question is just a tag."Graf has and always will be buffed by the authorities, give or take one or two big name exceptions in recent years. Its lack of permanence is what makes it so exciting and quick to evolve. I for one am happy the establishment isn't celebrating it."Yeah, I was going to say something about that, the ephemerality of it is key, but maybe it would be better if work was replaced by other artists, as opposed to the buff? Ot maybe that loses something, not sure. Thoughts?"If big corporations can bombard me with images everywhere, even when I look up from taking a piss, then why shouldn't those who have no canvas, other than the streets, be stopped from doing so?"
I've got absolutely no problem with that, we've all read Wall and Piece, and i'm a tad surprised you think I would think otherwise, I love street art, but all I would say is that why not brighten up an area or use a witty message to put something across, not just scrawl your name.Edit : I guess so. Sent you a PM mate
Cheers pal, responded, and previous post amended.
Hey Dynamixx, cheers for the response, always more than happy to have a friendly debate. In response to your points : "And even thousands of years prior to Pompeii cavemen wrote stuff on walls, that's what's so special about graffiti compared to any other artistic movement."Of course graffiti is special, it's uncontrollable, free, straight from the mind of anyone and everyone who wants to do it, but in this instance i'm solely talking about tagging.
"New York was a definite turning point, but maybe we should save the significance of that for a different day."It most certainly was, as I somewhat alluded to"It's all just different perceptions isn't it? Where you see urban decay and crime, I see a voice given to an otherwise unspoken underclass. "
I'm not talking about my perception, i'm talking about the perception of the general public. All i'm saying is that it doesn't matter what we think, it's Granny Miggins who complains to the council which fuels their anti-graffiti campaigns"For a large chunk of dispossed nobodies with no voice, a marker or can of molotow is their only way of being heard. "
That's exactly what said in my last post.
There are far worse outlets of poverty/urban decay/frustration or whatever you want to call it. If 1% of those unsightly taggers go on to create something that this forum or bourgeois auction houses consider to be art, would their collective endevours be considered worthwhile?Of course it would, but that's not going to stop the general public being scared by their tagging. To be fair though, this debate did originate from Tox's piece, and he hasn't really progressed thus far. He of course may have a load of work i've never seen, but this piece in question is just a tag."Graf has and always will be buffed by the authorities, give or take one or two big name exceptions in recent years. Its lack of permanence is what makes it so exciting and quick to evolve. I for one am happy the establishment isn't celebrating it."Yeah, I was going to say something about that, the ephemerality of it is key, but maybe it would be better if work was replaced by other artists, as opposed to the buff? Ot maybe that loses something, not sure. Thoughts?"If big corporations can bombard me with images everywhere, even when I look up from taking a piss, then why shouldn't those who have no canvas, other than the streets, be stopped from doing so?"
I've got absolutely no problem with that, we've all read Wall and Piece, and i'm a tad surprised you think I would think otherwise, I love street art, but all I would say is that why not brighten up an area or use a witty message to put something across, not just scrawl your name.Edit : I guess so. Sent you a PM mate Cheers pal, responded, and previous post amended. |
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by grantb on Mar 4, 2009 16:52:09 GMT 1, Well I thought this was a pretty good thread n'all - that was until I got banned for stating my opinion. What a load of crap that is. No warning, no explanation, nothing!!! Not impressed!!! I can only assume it's because I compared a TOX tag to a piece of dog crap and grantb got his knickers in a twist a went crying to the teacher. I mean, come on, it's a fair analogy isn't it? They both get everywhere, they both provoke the same response in the majority of people, they both make the place look messy, they both have the same amount of artistic flair (well maybe the poop wins that one). They don't bring anything to my environment, they don't make me pause and think, they don't brighten my day. They are both as bad as each other in my apparently unwanted opinion! I mean ffs - it's not like I was slagging the print or the gallery and I sure as hell didn't write any hate mail. What's the fking problem? Anyone who reads my posts will know my tongue was at least half way into my cheek when I typed it. There's been far worse typed on this thread by TOX's supporters - like fag, yuppie and worst of all - Daily Mail reader!!! I await your response Silky!
i never said anything to silky.
he will confirm this.
so dont blame me. 
Well I thought this was a pretty good thread n'all - that was until I got banned for stating my opinion. What a load of crap that is. No warning, no explanation, nothing!!! Not impressed!!! I can only assume it's because I compared a TOX tag to a piece of dog crap and grantb got his knickers in a twist a went crying to the teacher. I mean, come on, it's a fair analogy isn't it? They both get everywhere, they both provoke the same response in the majority of people, they both make the place look messy, they both have the same amount of artistic flair (well maybe the poop wins that one). They don't bring anything to my environment, they don't make me pause and think, they don't brighten my day. They are both as bad as each other in my apparently unwanted opinion! I mean ffs - it's not like I was slagging the print or the gallery and I sure as hell didn't write any hate mail. What's the fking problem? Anyone who reads my posts will know my tongue was at least half way into my cheek when I typed it. There's been far worse typed on this thread by TOX's supporters - like fag, yuppie and worst of all - Daily Mail reader!!! I await your response Silky! i never said anything to silky. he will confirm this. so dont blame me. |
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by Shok-1 on Mar 4, 2009 17:02:24 GMT 1, This is a great piece of art.
This is a great piece of art.
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TOX π¬π§ Graffiti β’ Street Art β’ Art For Sale, by cashman on Mar 4, 2009 17:04:56 GMT 1, that was until I got banned for stating my opinion. What a load of crap that is. No warning, no explanation, nothing!!! Not impressed!!!
That would make 2 of us
that was until I got banned for stating my opinion. What a load of crap that is. No warning, no explanation, nothing!!! Not impressed!!! That would make 2 of us |
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