Banksy • Monkey Parliament Poster

[apprint]

Jan 23, 2023 13:30:23 GMT 1 I Like You Your Weird said:

I got offered one of these for 3.5k a few weeks back, what provenance does it come with?

apart of the tube is not provenance for those,

[Airhead Ray]

Jan 23, 2023 13:30:23 GMT 1 I Like You Your Weird said:

I got offered one of these for 3.5k a few weeks back, what provenance does it come with?

Direct me toward that person, been looking for one but never seem to find them when I was ready to purchase

[The Origin]

Jan 23, 2023 15:50:23 GMT 1 Airhead Ray said:

Jan 23, 2023 13:30:23 GMT 1 I Like You Your Weird said:

I got offered one of these for 3.5k a few weeks back, what provenance does it come with?

Direct me toward that person, been looking for one but never seem to find them when I was ready to purchase

There is one listed for £3k an hour ago in the sales section

[Airhead Ray]

Jan 23, 2023 15:59:31 GMT 1 The Origin said:

Jan 23, 2023 15:50:23 GMT 1 Airhead Ray said:

Direct me toward that person, been looking for one but never seem to find them when I was ready to purchase

There is one listed for £3k an hour ago in the sales section

[Airhead Ray]

Jan 23, 2023 16:16:54 GMT 1 Airhead Ray said:

Jan 23, 2023 15:59:31 GMT 1 The Origin said:

There is one listed for £3k an hour ago in the sales section

Please send me the link

[Pint of cockles]

Them days are long long gone 😂

[Zero Hero 2]

I bought one for quite a while ago that i found when cleaning out my things...I think is not the real deal...but... It might be..Is there any way to identify it ... on the sheet / size / marks on the back of it etc ?

[avec art]

yes a couple of good threads on this I've participated in Zero Hero 2 if you know how to dig them up. They go into paper size and paper quality and so on.

Edit: the search for these old threads has been contaminated by certain ms

[Zero Hero 2]

Yeah...that MS version is showing up. But I will try to sig deeper

[Glitter G]

any idea of the current value? I bought a couple of sets from the official eBay seller at the time. I might sell one

[met]

Apr 23, 2023 13:22:08 GMT 1 Zero Hero 2 said:

I bought one for quite a while ago that i found when cleaning out my things...I think is not the real deal...but... It might be..Is there any way to identify it ... on the sheet / size / marks on the back of it etc ?

Without wishing to disclose details that could help fraudsters produce better-quality fakes, many of the counterfeit Monkey Parliament posters in circulation are rather easy to spot.

Take some photos of yours in good natural light, both context and close-up shots, head-on and in raking light, front of the poster and back — and then post the images on this thread along with the dimensions of the poster.

If it is one of the more obvious fakes, you'll be informed soon enough by your fellow members.


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GENERAL COMMENTS


There have been plenty of sales and attempted sales of counterfeit art and ephemera on this forum, by sellers who:

(i)  are clueless;

(ii)  are knowingly selling fakes; or

(iii)  have good reason to suspect they may be selling fakes, but can disingenuously claim they aren't 100% certain (mental gymastics thus allowing them to convince themselves that, notwithstanding their niggling suspicions, they're still acting in good faith, rather than like the scumbags they truly are).



The scammer fraternity can be loosely divided into two groups:


1.  A handfull of scammers are of course committed and hardcore; their intention from the very outset is to defraud other people.


2.  The oft-overlooked majority, however, will be softcore.

Here we have both private individuals and professionals (dealers, gallerists, auction house representatives) whose transactions are, for the most part, above board.

But every so often, opportunities arise for financially-advantageous acts of dishonesty, negligence and/or recklessness — where the risk of getting caught out and being held to account is also minimal, or at least worth taking for anyone who lacks integrity.

This might be the case, for example, with one of the countless, unscrupulous auction houses whose directors/specialists sometimes choose to look the other way and accept a regular consignor's authenticity assurances at face value, instead of carrying out suitable levels of due diligence on each of the consigned items.

It may also be the case with a shady private collector who initially thinks they've secured a bargain and, after later realising they've been sold a fake, quickly offloads it onto another unsuspecting buyer.

These are the opportunist, intermittent scammers.

And since most of their dealings are genuine, some will presumably delude themselves into thinking they're actually good, decent people — despite being happy to defraud others if they think they can get away with it.



My advice is to be especially careful with anyone here who refers to themselves as a "respected member" or "trusted member".

[avec art]

Good advice. The post makes me think of the Banksy sign which miraculously changed both it's look and shape and yet was somehow meant to still be the same sign !?!

Anyway, post pics and we'll have a gander.

[Dutch Art Collector]

I have one for sale.

[Crime in the City]

Apr 23, 2023 20:41:58 GMT 1 met said:

Apr 23, 2023 13:22:08 GMT 1 Zero Hero 2 said:

I bought one for quite a while ago that i found when cleaning out my things...I think is not the real deal...but... It might be..Is there any way to identify it ... on the sheet / size / marks on the back of it etc ?

Without wishing to disclose details that could help fraudsters produce better-quality fakes, many of the counterfeit Monkey Parliament posters in circulation are rather easy to spot.

Take some photos of yours in good natural light, both context and close-up shots, head-on and in raking light, front of the poster and back — and then post the images on this thread along with the dimensions of the poster.

If it is one of the more obvious fakes, you'll be informed soon enough by your fellow members.


__________



GENERAL COMMENTS


There have been plenty of sales and attempted sales of counterfeit art and ephemera on this forum, by sellers who:

(i)  are clueless;

(ii)  are knowingly selling fakes; or

(iii)  have good reason to suspect they may be selling fakes, but can disingenuously claim they aren't 100% certain (mental gymastics thus allowing them to convince themselves that, notwithstanding their niggling suspicions, they're still acting in good faith, rather than like the scumbags they truly are).



The scammer fraternity can be loosely divided into two groups:


1.  A handfull of scammers are of course committed and hardcore; their intention from the very outset is to defraud other people.


2.  The oft-overlooked majority, however, will be softcore.

Here we have both private individuals and professionals (dealers, gallerists, auction house representatives) whose transactions are, for the most part, above board.

But every so often, opportunities arise for financially-advantageous acts of dishonesty, negligence and/or recklessness — where the risk of getting caught out and being held to account is also minimal, or at least worth taking for anyone who lacks integrity.

This might be the case, for example, with one of the countless, unscrupulous auction houses whose directors/specialists sometimes choose to look the other way and accept a regular consignor's authenticity assurances at face value, instead of carrying out suitable levels of due diligence on each of the consigned items.

It may also be the case with a shady private collector who initially thinks they've secured a bargain and, after later realising they've been sold a fake, quickly offloads it onto another unsuspecting buyer.

These are the opportunist, intermittent scammers.

And since most of their dealings are genuine, some will presumably delude themselves into thinking they're actually good, decent people — despite being happy to defraud others if they think they can get away with it.



My advice is to be especially careful with anyone here who refers to themselves as a "respected member" or "trusted member".

I'm convinced Met is Judge Rinder.. 

[Glitter G]

Anyone with information about recent sales? Thanks

[jamo]

Monkey Parliament / Devolved Parliament for sale. About as good as condition you’ll get. Stored flat when purchased at Bristol Museum show by me. Didn’t keep tube, but show leaflet included. Offset Lithograph -
20 9/10 × 33 1/10 inches, 53 × 84 cm. Framed with UV glass and mount. One careful owner (me).

Offers by DM please. More pics can be provided. U.K. based - pick up / meet up only, can’t send abroad. Based 25 miles SW of London. 

Member on here since 2008 and plenty of references. 

Thanks

[Adam The Collector]

I would love to have this on my wall, great to see you are the one and only owner. Hope this finds a good new home.

[robo]

Great piece and nice framing. GLWS!

[jamo]

Thanks.

It seems people generally don’t understand the concept of ‘taking offers’ - that means if you are interested in buying it, you offer a price. As sales seem to be a bit all over the place, that is how I have chosen to sell. Thanks.

[Pint of cockles]

I sold mine via roseberrys in there last auction I got £2400 but have seen them sell for higher in previous auction’s I think the heat is off banksy at this time
Hope this is a good guide and glws

[Pistol]

Any ideas of price on these atm?

[compound]

Maybe draw some penguins on the border? that’ll look great and so original

[og]

Seen this in real life at MoJA and looks amazing. GLWTS

[jamo]

Apr 27, 2023 7:57:21 GMT 1 compound said:

Maybe draw some penguins on the border? that’ll look great and so original

Very helpful thanks. It’s like a school playground around here sometimes isn’t it? 

[Pint of cockles]

My experience on here if they say offers and don’t put a price that generally means they think it’s worth more than it’s current price value
Because I have found when you make a offer they spout the last ten result's from every where and you think we’ll why not just put a guide in the first place
Not always just 90 percent of the time
I try to always put a price or at least a guide
And it saves all the comments

[avec art]

Irrespective of a plausible back story and perhaps references, if I was a buyer I would want to see what it looks like unframed.

If it's been framed well, then it shouldn't be difficult to take out, even if it has been hinged to the window mount you'd still be able to get a proper look at the boarder area.

[lukas01]

I saw 1 for sale unframed for £6000. For those who can spend money, it's a nice piece. You kept it on the wall... and if it's time to sell... then happy selling and good luck! :-)

[lukas01]

Apr 27, 2023 7:49:21 GMT 1 Pistol said:

Any ideas of price on these atm?

I saw 1 for sale unframed for £6000. But also at 8000/12000. I believe that every work by Banksy is always worth the best! ;-)

[irl1]

Apr 27, 2023 12:37:22 GMT 1 lukas01 said:

Apr 27, 2023 7:49:21 GMT 1 Pistol said:

Any ideas of price on these atm?

I saw 1 for sale unframed for £6000. But also at 8000/12000. I believe that every work by Banksy is always worth the best! ;-)

Is that you artdelight 

[lukas01]

Apr 27, 2023 12:57:33 GMT 1 irl1 said:

Apr 27, 2023 12:37:22 GMT 1 lukas01 said:

I saw 1 for sale unframed for £6000. But also at 8000/12000. I believe that every work by Banksy is always worth the best! ;-)

Is that you artdelight 

No... I just saw what he's asking around for. Graffitistreet.com has one for 6k. I'm not even Graffitistreet.com.
I like art and everything Banksy creates.